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I was looking into the 4-3-3 formation with Neagle inserted. However, they could still use 4-4-2 as well. I've seen teams use an upper-midfield and lower-midfield combination for central midfielders. So Sounders could use this with Alonso in lower mid, Neagle upper mid, plus Rosales and Zak on the wings. Here, you have Johnson and Martins on top. Subs could be Joseph, Martinez, Rose, Caskey, Carrasco, and Evans.

In simpler terms, what I was trying to say is a 4-3-1-2 formation rather than 4-4-2. Here's the link to a visual of that formation -
http://football-formation.com/formations/4-3-1-2. I don't believe any team is using this formation per se but many teams use a variation of 4-4-2 that sort of resembles this.


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How about we leave Andy rose on the bench, forever.

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How about we leave Andy rose on the bench, forever.


No disagreement from me on that one.


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Lamar Neagle is a lot like Brad Evans in the fact that you want him on the pitch cause he is a gamer. He's a guy that gives it his all everytime he's out there and can make a difference. Neagle can play up front our out wide and is decently good at both.


I still think that Rosales and Zakuani are still the first choices for wingers, but right behind him is Martinez, Neagle and Evans.

Up top its gotta be EJ, Oba, Neagle, Estrada.

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Entertaining game. That red card was ridiculous though.

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Yeah that red was pretty damn harsh, especially since Carassco got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game and didn't even get a yellow for it.


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The red was excessive where a yellow would have sufficed. However, let's not let that take away from a complete dismantling of the Western conferences best team. The Sounders could have and should have placed a seven spot on FC Dallas who were outclassed the entire evening.

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Lets just go ahead and play the high line offside trap against a team that features Lamar Neagle, Eddie Johnson and Obafemi Martins...Yeah, that should work. Horrible game plan and the execution of it was even worse. Those tactics against this club will end up with goals upon goals upon goals...and thats exactly what happened.

I know everyone will be talking about the red, and about EJ, Neagle and Oba getting goals but I want to point out one player who was exceptional. Servando Carrasco. He was spraying balls all over the pitch last night. He looked a little bit like a poor mans Paul Scholes (I cringe everytime Carrasco goes in for a slide tackle). His play over the past 4 games has been outstanding.

That being said...I hope Ozzie isn't out too long with his groin strain.

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It's always good to see your strikers score. All the goals came from the top guys - Johnson (2), Neagle, and Martins. I believe Martins has a gaol in every game he's played. Dallas is a good team but the drop-off in the middle was quite noticeable once Ozzie got hurt and left. I'm talking about the drop-off in pace and speed. The Sounders were much slower. Thus Dallas was able to put them into more set pieces and controlled the ball better. When they ran, Sounders dominated the game. They could have easily had 5-6 goals this came. Evans had a beautiful opportunity that he didn't finish. Johnson had one earlier in the match. With that sais, the Sounders are hot right now. It seems the team has found ways to play together and win. Their chemistry seems to be real good.


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I was looking into the 4-3-3 formation with Neagle inserted. However, they could still use 4-4-2 as well. I've seen teams use an upper-midfield and lower-midfield combination for central midfielders. So Sounders could use this with Alonso in lower mid, Neagle upper mid, plus Rosales and Zak on the wings. Here, you have Johnson and Martins on top. Subs could be Joseph, Martinez, Rose, Caskey, Carrasco, and Evans.

In simpler terms, what I was trying to say is a 4-3-1-2 formation rather than 4-4-2. Here's the link to a visual of that formation -
http://football-formation.com/formations/4-3-1-2. I don't believe any team is using this formation per se but many teams use a variation of 4-4-2 that sort of resembles this.



the 4-3-1-2 is implemented quite a bit. not as much as the 4-2-3-1. they are all really just versions of a 4-3-3. the bigger difference and choice comes of what type of wingers you have and what your cms can do.

The 4-3-1-2 though is a very defensive formation... more of a 4-5-1 (which is a defensive form of the 4-3-3). in looking at this formation you are planting 7 players in the first 3 zones (of 7, according to the Dutch and Spanish) of your formation. While you may wiggle your way out (if your Barcelona) holding 7 players that deep in the MLS is a dangerous and negative position to start in. it also leaves 3 zones between your wing players and their attacking teammates (the 2 outside mids would support or attack over the 2 forwards, but in this formation would have nearly 30 yards of gap between them).

the most attacking version is the 4-1-2-3, or Chelsea (mourinhos) 4-flat 3-3. the 4-2-3-1 is a mainstay in the Pl right now, with one of the two holding a very defensive CM, while the other roams and pings with the CAM.


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I was looking into the 4-3-3 formation with Neagle inserted. However, they could still use 4-4-2 as well. I've seen teams use an upper-midfield and lower-midfield combination for central midfielders. So Sounders could use this with Alonso in lower mid, Neagle upper mid, plus Rosales and Zak on the wings. Here, you have Johnson and Martins on top. Subs could be Joseph, Martinez, Rose, Caskey, Carrasco, and Evans.

In simpler terms, what I was trying to say is a 4-3-1-2 formation rather than 4-4-2. Here's the link to a visual of that formation -
http://football-formation.com/formations/4-3-1-2. I don't believe any team is using this formation per se but many teams use a variation of 4-4-2 that sort of resembles this.



the 4-3-1-2 is implemented quite a bit. not as much as the 4-2-3-1. they are all really just versions of a 4-3-3. the bigger difference and choice comes of what type of wingers you have and what your cms can do.

The 4-3-1-2 though is a very defensive formation... more of a 4-5-1 (which is a defensive form of the 4-3-3). in looking at this formation you are planting 7 players in the first 3 zones (of 7, according to the Dutch and Spanish) of your formation. While you may wiggle your way out (if your Barcelona) holding 7 players that deep in the MLS is a dangerous and negative position to start in. it also leaves 3 zones between your wing players and their attacking teammates (the 2 outside mids would support or attack over the 2 forwards, but in this formation would have nearly 30 yards of gap between them).

the most attacking version is the 4-1-2-3, or Chelsea (mourinhos) 4-flat 3-3. the 4-2-3-1 is a mainstay in the Pl right now, with one of the two holding a very defensive CM, while the other roams and pings with the CAM.


Thanks Uncle Si for the explanantion and clarification of the various formations. This helps.


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There was a tidbit in Saturday's sports edition of Seattle Times' Sounder report that the Sounders are inquiring about Jose Javier Barkero. Barkero is a midfielder (34 years old) and former teammate of Obafemi Martins. If they bring Barkero on, who would be released? Would it mean the end of Mauro Rosales?


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There was a tidbit in Saturday's sports edition of Seattle Times' Sounder report that the Sounders are inquiring about Jose Javier Barkero. Barkero is a midfielder (34 years old) and former teammate of Obafemi Martins. If they bring Barkero on, who would be released? Would it mean the end of Mauro Rosales?
Depends almost entirely on his salary demands.


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Well that sucked! Possibly the worst Sounders game i've watched.


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No kidding! Yikes, that was ugly.

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Well the Sounders just lost again...this time to an USL team - Tampa Rowdies. Things are going the wrong way. Hopefully they can get back on track soon.


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2 shots neither on goal against the Galaxy (waste of my time and money to go see them) and then they can't beat a 3rd tier team of scrubs and Martins can't put a PK in... what the hell


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17th different line up on the 17th game (all comps) tonight...


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That was probably the most ridiculous red card I have ever seen. Hopefully there is some sort od repercussion against the referee for that poor call.

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Salazar with a bad call...you don't say....

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Salazar with a bad call...you don't say....



thats a ref simply waiting to find a reason for a red card.... which makes him a poor ref


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MLS needs to fine or suspend for this to reign him in a bit. The announcers mentioned that he has already disqualified at least five Sounders already this season. As a Sounders fan this upsets me. As a soccer fan this infuriates me. There was no malice in Martins movements yet the referee treats him like Suh.

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Yeah, that red card was nonsense.

How about the own goal? Haha, that was probably the greatest I've ever seen.

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How about the own goal? Haha, that was probably the greatest I've ever seen.



I would have agreed with you had I not just finished watching the US vs. Germany match.

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In said game Sounders CM Brad Evans played a marvelous game at RB for the nats. There is talk of him starting our next qualifier....which would be awesome.

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In said game Sounders CM Brad Evans played a marvelous game at RB for the nats. There is talk of him starting our next qualifier....which would be awesome.


Agreed. Evans played outrageously well in today's match against the Germans.

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Good win by the Sounders despite the terrible red card call. We need to be more consistent!!


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We need players. Should hold open tryouts for the game against the whitecaps. What is that ... 6 starters we'll be without:

Johnson, Martins, Alonso, Evans, Martinez, who am I missing.

(is Rosales still out?) (is Yedlin on U-23 duty?

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Martin's suspension was over turned so he will play.

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Fantastic! I hope the official was at least given a stern word.

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Great to see Brad Evans making an impact on USNT. US and Panama game is going to be pivotal in the World cup qualifiers. Whoever wins has an inside track. Should be exciting.


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Great victory by the Sounders this eveving. Showed some moxie to come back for a postive result.

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He couldn't lace Falcao's boots lol. I don't think he has been missed too much this season. Neagle, Martins and Johnson have done well when Neagle plays with one of Martins/Johnson.

Midfield has been our problem. Mainly due to Alonso being injured.


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Just got back from the Vancouver game. That was ugly all around, at least from what I saw. Then I read Sigi's comments who said he thought the team played well. Maybe I missed something from the stands? Perhaps I had a one track focus at my despise of Shalrie Joseph?

Also, I think that was our first loss in Vancouver, it was interesting to see how differently the fans finally treated us visitors. I've been there for all 3 away games now. I don't care that I get some grief wearing sounders colors in enemy territory, but it had a Portland'ish type feel to this game after, which was probably deserved after the way ECS was acting in there. Just a weird vibe all night, from the usual General Admission/Assigned seat drama, to ECS getting in the faces and screaming at other fans for not cheering (sorry, I paid to watch the game and do what I want there, so to the guy who got about 2 inches from my face calling me a PU**** for not supporting my team, screw you.) to being held extra long in the stadium. Just wasn't quite the same experience. But, hats off to Vancouver and especially the GK, some nice saves for sure.


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Sounders are terrible in set pieces this year. I haven't seen any improvement from game 1 this year in that regard. Also their defense is extremely inconsistent. One game they are lights out, the next....well, terrible seems to be too good of word to describe it.

I believe this is the worst I've seen Schmid manage the team since he's been here. He needs to stop changing the lineup each game. He needs to let his A-players start and play. Joseph is slow and to boot awful. He needs to plant his arse on the bench and keep him there. Hopefully Alonso comes back soon. Team is much different with him in there.


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Hey man it's simple, no Alonso equals no organization in the midfield. Joseph is done and I'd be shocked if he is on the team by years end. It was so bad in that game that Oba was running back past the midfield to get the ball to start the attack. Or when he would get the ball in last third he would fire aimlessly in order to get a chance on goal. This team has two great (for MLS) strikers but our piss-poor midfield and lackluster back line will continue to cost us victories. That Vancouver game was brutal to watch because we were the better team, just too many mistakes in midfield and defense. Here's to hoping our key guys get healthy and we make some moves or this season is done for.


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Montero's move is complete. Nearly a $3 million dollar deal.

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According to Seattle Times article, http://seattletimes.com/html/sounders/2021384103_sounders13xml.html, as many as 8 Sounders players are expected to be unavailable for tonight's game at San Jose. For a team that has played the least amount of MLS games, the Sounders sure have a lot of hurt players.


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3 more hurt tonight...

tough gritty loss tonight...ridiculously physical game.

Playoff Hopes are beginning to dwindle quick.


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Gspurning may have had his arm broken last night my Lenhart...and if thats the case the season is most definitely lost. He is a big reason why I still think we have a chance this season.

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Lenhart is a piece of shiz. Guys like him are the reason that the MLS is still not reaching its potential. D-bags that play like him and the way Mullin does are the epitome of crappy American soccer and why they need to just go away or go play in that semi-pro SoCal league that is full of ex MLS players, ex US National team players, and really talented 15 year olds who are looking for a shot at playing professionally. Scouts watch the league, and that's where a guy like Lenhart belongs. He's like the softball ringers I played with for years. If you can't beat them, cheat them. I've never wished injury on anybody, as I've been down that road. But one of these days, the way Lenhart plays is going to backfire on him, and I don't think a lot of people will be shedding any tears.

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 Post subject: Re: Sounders Season Thread
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So whats the deal with Zakuani? All I remember was that they found a 'minor issue' in a blood test and he would be fine. Now he's been out for ages. I think he's finished as a Sounder/MLS player which sucks as he had promise before the leg break.


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 Post subject: Re: Sounders Season Thread
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Sports Hernia Surgery for Zak. He'll return to practice in 2-3 weeks.


Also, Striker Sammy Ochoa was waived.

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 Post subject: Re: Sounders Season Thread
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There were reports that Roberto Chen, defender on the Panamian National Team, was close to signing an one year deal with the Sounders. This was to take place after the Gold Cup. With the release of Ochoa, there is a roster spot open. Has anyone heard anything new on this front?

Here's an old link (from July 19) talking about a possible deal -

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/18063145/panama-youngster-chen-set-for-seattle-sounders-move/


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