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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?

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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?


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"Want Sacramento back" is an odd choice of words, isn't it?

Why would you need to bring "Sacramento back" if they already hold a team? Might just be poor wording there, but that could sound like BoG was leaning Seattle but is now considering expansion to please both sides. That wouldn't surprise me. Picking one? Seattle, obvious choice. Picking both? Get the big money from Seattle and the nice tax write off for charity by having a team in Sac. :lol:


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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.


Yeah, I agree. I don't think there's enough room for another team.


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Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?

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Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?


They have to put aside their feelings for Sacramento and vote for whichever side has the most solid financial situation and arena plan.


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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

Can we cut Portland from the list of crappy teams? ;)

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.


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There's definitely other teams I'd rather see cut before the Blazers. It's good to have a local rivalry :D


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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.

No, yeah. Like, hello? I think us Seattle folks know all about the Blazers' owner. ;)

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.


I think he was just messing with the local blazer fans a bit, nobody would want to see the blazers go anywhere for real.

The sonics/Blazers rivalry has always been more about a little fun trash talking and not about hate.

I'm a fan of no team until the Sonics come back but I would much rather see the blazer's succeed than others. (even though the nba is dead to me until we get another team)

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Looks like the Kings have in deed matched the H/B/N's bid.

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Looks like the Kings have in deed matched the H/B/N's bid.

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Sen. Steinberg: “…Sacramento has made not only a fully competitive offer, but an offer that matches dollar-for-dollar the Seattle offer.”


Aside from the fact that I'm calling shenanigans (seriously, nobody else is reporting it), its a good thing that Hansen and Co. can increase their offer if needs be.

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Steinberg did NOT say #Sacramento matched #Seattle’s bid for #Kings, only that Sac made a competitive bid, his spokesman says


Heh. Yea.

Just when we get a little worried, this pops out of the clown car that is the Sacramento Kings cheerleading investment group.

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Go to Chris Daniels twitter feed, it was all bull and the offers might not be close.

That was cute though, I bet blitzer just about lost it.

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Go to Chris Daniels twitter feed, it was all bull and the offers might not be close.

That was cute though, I bet blitzer just about lost it.


You have no idea..........I got into the fetal position and hid in my panic room............

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I thought the Maloofs wanted to only deal with the Hansen/Ballmer group?

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I read it as "we are sick of all this fake PR stuff Sacramento is spitting out, it's time to put up or shut up". I think they're just trying to get Sacramento to calm down on this media stuff.


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Nothing really changed (if anything I think it's a positive), that's all you need to know. I'm sure pinksheets will be here shortly to talk you down.


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Nothing really changed (if anything I think it's a positive), that's all you need to know. I'm sure pinksheets will be here shortly to talk you down.


Man I hope so, but when it comes to the deadline that the Maloofs set, I see it as them, the Maloofs, thinking that there are enough votes to shoot down the Hansen bid and they are trying to make sure that they can get the amount of money offered no matter what group it is. God......I hope I'm wrong.

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Blitzer, you really ought to stop worrying about it so much. We most likely won't know anything concrete until the 17-18th, so just sit back and relax.


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I just got home from work so have been basically following this story by glancing at twiter when I could, but my early impression is that this is the beginning of the end.

I know the Maloofs are jerks and idiots, but they didn't do this on their own. KJ has been running his mouth ever since April 3rd, putting words into the mouths of the NBA Board of Governors, telling people openly about conversations that happened behind closed doors, etc., all a bunch of things someone who doesn't have an inside track would do (namely pretending, publicly, that they have an inside track). Yesterday, what happened? Bizarre propaganda media blitz from just about every Sacramento based reporter. They have parroted KJ all along, and even reportedly held off on reporting stories that would cross KJ's efforts (even though they were true). The propaganda blitz, in my eyes, was a blatant attempt to shift the narrative as hard in one direction as possible, to try to make the Kings staying an inevitability, painting the NBA in a corner to follow that narrative. I mean today Steinberg even said they matched the offer dollar for dollar, but quickly had to retract that statement (probably because they woke the sleeping giant).

Yes, the sleeping giant. Like I said, the Maloofs have not set this deadline and made this public statement to Sacramento's group to put up or shut up once and for all on their own. They certainly would not do this without Hansen and Ballmer's blessing. They seem to have a decent partnership with Hansen and Ballmer, and soliciting another offer (even as a "backup") would be potentially legally troublesome for them and running it by Chris and Steve would just make good sense to avoid that. Perhaps Hansen and Ballmer even endorsed the idea. But Hansen and Ballmer wouldn't go rogue. They've been working with the NBA for a while now, they've held to their gag order, etc. etc., and would not want to burn any bridges and would never take the risk. Which is why I think that sleeping giant has been awoken, and that's the NBA. I would not be surprised at all if the NBA has grown tired of KJ's PR campaign and attempts to politic the league to make the decision he desires. Stern and the NBA have always wanted to come out of this thing looking clean, and KJ has made that night impossible right now, so it would not shock me at all to hear that the NBA endorsed this plan to say "Ok, put your money where your mouth is. Put it in writing that you will be paying the Maloofs the same amount as Hansen in the event that the current PSA is denied." Sacramento's group hasn't put any money down. They've been all talk, and now they're talking with a level of arrogance and straight up bullsh*t that has made the situation untenable. If they don't match the offer, it gives the NBA all the room in the world to say "look, we gave you a chance, but you didn't put up the money."

And according to Chris Daniels, the numbers are still way off.

I like what Furness said: If Sacramento fails to match the offer, it's game over; if they do match the offer, it's game on.

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Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.

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Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.


Bet??

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Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.


Bet??

One thing we know for sure....

You can't get anyone from Sacramento to put down any actual money on this thing.

If you lose the bet, you owe him $100, if he loses, he pledges that he'll give you a fair and competitive amount in return.


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I said it way back in page 20-something, but, pinksheets is carrying ALOT of us in this thread. I check this thread every few hours to get pink's cold-blooded analysis of it. Or, I seek out pinks posts in this thread when/if I hear something concerning. Whatever the case, I always feel better about things.

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Bet??

One thing we know for sure....

You can't get anyone from Sacramento to put down any actual money on this thing.

If you lose the bet, you owe him $100, if he loses, he pledges that he'll give you a fair and competitive amount in return.


Do i get odds?

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.

Notice the winky eyed smiley? It was a joke.

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With a week to go before the Board of Govenors and no concrete offer to buy, and no concrete Arena plan to look at, all this media footage and press conferences from Sacramento and leading it Two politicians in Steinburg and Johnson I can only assume the Maloofs who were pissed off at how things have went there, the NBA which wants this to look and feel legit compared to the Seattle fiasco and the Hansen group all have grown tired of the posterizeing to get sentiment on their side of the City.

KJ is trying to manage this like a political campaign with misinformation, getting a lot of face time and using his name. Is he even part of the group or put any money in this deal to be the face of the ownership group? The NBA has to be looking at this as the Maloofs were bad, but who invited the rest of the circus to the party. Do we want this group to be part of our league?

I think the more KJ spouts and gets in the headlines now the deeper the hole they are digging. As one person said on KJR today, Sacramento can't sue if they get turned down, sueing the NBA will make getting a team impossible in the future. Nickels never was public and fought for keeping the Sonics anywhere close to KJ, but he was also not dumb enough to try to sue the NBA for more money. Yeah they reached a settlement for the Bennett group to leave, but it was done quickly and the politicians were more interested in seeing what money they could get for the Pink Elephant that is Key arena then keeping the team here.

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I don't like what I am hearing out of NYC. My mind clearly says SEA, but political weight in CA no joke, much bigger than KJ.

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What I'm saying is this is much bigger than the cast of characters has been. This isn't whales, its warships. I still believe

Brock Huard seems to be concerned now too.

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I don't like what I am hearing out of NYC. My mind clearly says SEA, but political weight in CA no joke, much bigger than KJ.

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What I'm saying is this is much bigger than the cast of characters has been. This isn't whales, its warships. I still believe

Brock Huard seems to be concerned now too.


CA political weight isn't what it appears, we have two of the biggest Senators as far as influence in DC in Cantwell and Murrey, if they try to play big league politics I'm sure they will get involved as well. Remember Slade Gorton is still highly influencial as well. He knows how the sports game is played. Shame he was involved in that leak that was part of the litigation we were using to keep the Sonics from moving but his experience in the arena is much better then anyone in California save anyone associated with the Raiders.

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It seems like Brock is playing scaredy cat so he doesn't come off sounding cold or insensitive when this barely believable crap comea out of the Sac press...

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Looks like Stern is supporting the Kings after all.........very disappointing to hear.

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.


I think he was just messing with the local blazer fans a bit, nobody would want to see the blazers go anywhere for real.

The sonics/Blazers rivalry has always been more about a little fun trash talking and not about hate.

I'm a fan of no team until the Sonics come back but I would much rather see the blazer's succeed than others. (even though the nba is dead to me until we get another team)



I went to the OKC/POR game last year, at the end after the game a few of us wher eshouting SUUUUPPEER, SOOOONICCS and a portland fan told us to fuck off and this is about POR not seattle, a fight was brewing and I said " dude what are you going to do to him? they already took our team." the portland fan laughed and we all walked away.

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Sounds like more of the same crap to me...Stern has been careful to posture himself to seem neutral in this whole thing and these alleged pro-Sac efforts are prob just that

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So Stern wants to go out a Sactown hero in his last year?

The owners want to make money for all of the years. Stern is as lame as a duck can get.


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As a 33 year Laker fan, (I know some of you hate them. I get that often.) I've been hoping you guys would get your Sonics back. And still hope you do.

I actually wish both teams could keep theirs, impossible but if there is enough money floating around for this bidding war just expand the damn league.

And I HATE the Kings.. So had I a vote, I'd say eff em and their cowbells.

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The thing about expansion is cutting that pie 31 ways vs. 30.

Is an NBA with 31 teams with Seattle in the fold worth more than a 30 team NBA with Sacramento instead?

I don't know enough about the financials, but I'd guess, unless only a handful of markets are net positives for the league, they would be.

I think the worry for Sac is that when you consider expansion or just relocation and list the 4 possible outcomes in order of how they affect the value of the league, you get something like this:

1. 30 team NBA with Seattle

2-3. NBA with 31 teams and expansion in either Seattle or Sacramento

3. 30 team NBA with Sacramento.


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I guess this was said by KJ during halftime of the Kings game tonight.

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Note that KJ can take a solid minute to imply that they're matching but can't say it unequivocally. There's a reason for that.

They aren't matching and it's unlikely that they commit to do so. It's not easy to make money off of an NBA team in a middling market whose residents have little spending power with zero chance of the big bucks from an RSN. Putting down a $525m valuation ain't worth it, it'd be a charity move. Take into consideration that if they entered into a binding agreement with the Maloofs to match the offer if the Seattle bid is denied, they'd be doing so without a binding arena deal. They'd then own a grossly overpriced NBA team relative to its market and that city council would have a ton of leverage to work out a deal (keep in mind that they really haven't worked one out, just a list of ideas) in their favor.


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Mayor on offer to Maloofs: "They know the number." No breakdown in communication; says he doesn't know why they issued ultimatum
3:16 AM - 11 Apr 13

I guess this was said by KJ during halftime of the Kings game tonight.

Sounds like, Sac has a number and they're standing by it. If this is the case, bring on the champagne boys!


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Lol it took the maloofs to shut KJ up? BEAUTIFUL!

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Hahaha relevant.

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