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Anyone else on Sonicsrising?


Just went over there for the first time, and I see this as the first thread... lol

http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/4/9/42 ... -classless

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Sacramento developer Mark Friedman joins the Sacramento effort
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... acramento/

There is just so much instability on Sacramento's side and yet almost a week until the owner's meeting.


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Just went over there for the first time, and I see this as the first thread... lol

http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/4/9/42 ... -classless


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KJ long ago established himself as almost a flat-out liar - a total politician. Any celebrating he is doing or claims he is making are %90 BS. The Hanson group is the opposite - pragmatic, straightforward, phlegmatic with the press. It's real, real hard to translate anything KJ says into any kind of reality. He's the captain of the Titanic going down with the ship, grinning, nodding, giving the thumbs up: "We'll be just fine!"

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When I look at this situation right now and try to pretend that I am neutral, I cannot see this going in Sacramento's favor. Seattle has a plan that is about as good as it gets while Sacramento is still trying to force pieces that don't quite fit. This is suppose to be a business decision after all...


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When I look at this situation right now and try to pretend that I am neutral, I cannot see this going in Sacramento's favor. Seattle has a plan that is about as good as it gets while Sacramento is still trying to force pieces that don't quite fit. This is suppose to be a business decision after all...


Yep. Seattle's ownership, arena plan, and market just seem so strong and stable at this point. Then the ticket reservation thing recently was brilliant, well timed.

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It's not like attendance to Sonics games before they left was lacking. In 06-07, the average attendance was approximately 95% of KeyArena's capacity. So there's really no basis for an argument that an NBA team did not and would not have enough support in Seattle.


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i just heard some zillionaire that was backing kings by the name of burkle just dropped off...things looking awful promising!!


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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.

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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.


I haven't followed this as much so I didn't know he was throwing little shots at us, disregard my last post then. I think I read somewhere on twitter Hansen and the other guys on our side weren't allowed to publicly comment on the proceedings.


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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.


I haven't followed this as much so I didn't know he was throwing little shots at us, disregard my last post then. I think I read somewhere on twitter Hansen and the other guys on our side weren't allowed to publicly comment on the proceedings.


They're not, they're on gag order after the purchase was submitted and they were vetted. He did speak to the media a week ago, but it was just a bunch of "i can't really say anything on that" when it came to actually talking about the process, but when it came to talking about Seattle's support, he did a good job.

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The only thing that gives me a bad feeling about this whole situation is that Sacramento is really putting a push forward for their case. They're doing far, far more than Seattle ever did back in the day. The NBA, I think, would rather not move franchises if it had a choice. And that scares me. Even a half-assed plan to save the Kings could be all they need to pull this off.

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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


Or I'm dead :-(


I'm still pretty confident we'll get the Kings. It's just hard not to question yourself with all the PR stuff Sacramento is doing.


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I honestly don't think the NBA wants to ever move franchises, look at New Orleans, they went out of their way last year to keep the team there. I think they're giving Sacramento a fair shot here, but I just don't think Sacramentos shot is good enough.

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Funny to see this transparent propaganda blitz from Sac based media.

"90/10 they stay"
"The NBA will not leave with a bad taste in the mouth of Sacramento"
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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


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You change those Sacramentos to Seattles and it's 2008 all over again, lol. God those days friggin sucked, the team sucked and we were gonna lose em.

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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?

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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?


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"Want Sacramento back" is an odd choice of words, isn't it?

Why would you need to bring "Sacramento back" if they already hold a team? Might just be poor wording there, but that could sound like BoG was leaning Seattle but is now considering expansion to please both sides. That wouldn't surprise me. Picking one? Seattle, obvious choice. Picking both? Get the big money from Seattle and the nice tax write off for charity by having a team in Sac. :lol:


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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.


Yeah, I agree. I don't think there's enough room for another team.


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Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?

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Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?


They have to put aside their feelings for Sacramento and vote for whichever side has the most solid financial situation and arena plan.


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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

Can we cut Portland from the list of crappy teams? ;)

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.


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There's definitely other teams I'd rather see cut before the Blazers. It's good to have a local rivalry :D


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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.

No, yeah. Like, hello? I think us Seattle folks know all about the Blazers' owner. ;)

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You don't really want the NBA to cut the Blazers do you? I'm a Portland transplant and a Blazer fan. Most Blazer fans want to see the Sonics back. The team has good support, and a good owner.


I think he was just messing with the local blazer fans a bit, nobody would want to see the blazers go anywhere for real.

The sonics/Blazers rivalry has always been more about a little fun trash talking and not about hate.

I'm a fan of no team until the Sonics come back but I would much rather see the blazer's succeed than others. (even though the nba is dead to me until we get another team)

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Looks like the Kings have in deed matched the H/B/N's bid.

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Looks like the Kings have in deed matched the H/B/N's bid.

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Sen. Steinberg: “…Sacramento has made not only a fully competitive offer, but an offer that matches dollar-for-dollar the Seattle offer.”


Aside from the fact that I'm calling shenanigans (seriously, nobody else is reporting it), its a good thing that Hansen and Co. can increase their offer if needs be.

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Heh. Yea.

Just when we get a little worried, this pops out of the clown car that is the Sacramento Kings cheerleading investment group.

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Go to Chris Daniels twitter feed, it was all bull and the offers might not be close.

That was cute though, I bet blitzer just about lost it.

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Go to Chris Daniels twitter feed, it was all bull and the offers might not be close.

That was cute though, I bet blitzer just about lost it.


You have no idea..........I got into the fetal position and hid in my panic room............

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I thought the Maloofs wanted to only deal with the Hansen/Ballmer group?

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I read it as "we are sick of all this fake PR stuff Sacramento is spitting out, it's time to put up or shut up". I think they're just trying to get Sacramento to calm down on this media stuff.


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Man I am so confused now by today's happenings, I am going nuts.

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Nothing really changed (if anything I think it's a positive), that's all you need to know. I'm sure pinksheets will be here shortly to talk you down.


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Nothing really changed (if anything I think it's a positive), that's all you need to know. I'm sure pinksheets will be here shortly to talk you down.


Man I hope so, but when it comes to the deadline that the Maloofs set, I see it as them, the Maloofs, thinking that there are enough votes to shoot down the Hansen bid and they are trying to make sure that they can get the amount of money offered no matter what group it is. God......I hope I'm wrong.

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Blitzer, you really ought to stop worrying about it so much. We most likely won't know anything concrete until the 17-18th, so just sit back and relax.


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I just got home from work so have been basically following this story by glancing at twiter when I could, but my early impression is that this is the beginning of the end.

I know the Maloofs are jerks and idiots, but they didn't do this on their own. KJ has been running his mouth ever since April 3rd, putting words into the mouths of the NBA Board of Governors, telling people openly about conversations that happened behind closed doors, etc., all a bunch of things someone who doesn't have an inside track would do (namely pretending, publicly, that they have an inside track). Yesterday, what happened? Bizarre propaganda media blitz from just about every Sacramento based reporter. They have parroted KJ all along, and even reportedly held off on reporting stories that would cross KJ's efforts (even though they were true). The propaganda blitz, in my eyes, was a blatant attempt to shift the narrative as hard in one direction as possible, to try to make the Kings staying an inevitability, painting the NBA in a corner to follow that narrative. I mean today Steinberg even said they matched the offer dollar for dollar, but quickly had to retract that statement (probably because they woke the sleeping giant).

Yes, the sleeping giant. Like I said, the Maloofs have not set this deadline and made this public statement to Sacramento's group to put up or shut up once and for all on their own. They certainly would not do this without Hansen and Ballmer's blessing. They seem to have a decent partnership with Hansen and Ballmer, and soliciting another offer (even as a "backup") would be potentially legally troublesome for them and running it by Chris and Steve would just make good sense to avoid that. Perhaps Hansen and Ballmer even endorsed the idea. But Hansen and Ballmer wouldn't go rogue. They've been working with the NBA for a while now, they've held to their gag order, etc. etc., and would not want to burn any bridges and would never take the risk. Which is why I think that sleeping giant has been awoken, and that's the NBA. I would not be surprised at all if the NBA has grown tired of KJ's PR campaign and attempts to politic the league to make the decision he desires. Stern and the NBA have always wanted to come out of this thing looking clean, and KJ has made that night impossible right now, so it would not shock me at all to hear that the NBA endorsed this plan to say "Ok, put your money where your mouth is. Put it in writing that you will be paying the Maloofs the same amount as Hansen in the event that the current PSA is denied." Sacramento's group hasn't put any money down. They've been all talk, and now they're talking with a level of arrogance and straight up bullsh*t that has made the situation untenable. If they don't match the offer, it gives the NBA all the room in the world to say "look, we gave you a chance, but you didn't put up the money."

And according to Chris Daniels, the numbers are still way off.

I like what Furness said: If Sacramento fails to match the offer, it's game over; if they do match the offer, it's game on.

Trust Chris Hansen.


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Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.

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SacHawk2.0 wrote:
Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.


Bet??

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grizbob wrote:
SacHawk2.0 wrote:
Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.


Bet??

One thing we know for sure....

You can't get anyone from Sacramento to put down any actual money on this thing.

If you lose the bet, you owe him $100, if he loses, he pledges that he'll give you a fair and competitive amount in return.


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I said it way back in page 20-something, but, pinksheets is carrying ALOT of us in this thread. I check this thread every few hours to get pink's cold-blooded analysis of it. Or, I seek out pinks posts in this thread when/if I hear something concerning. Whatever the case, I always feel better about things.

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