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I don't know the impact of this news, but anytime you lose a billionaire investor...that can NOT be a good thing.


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I don't know the impact of this news, but anytime you lose a billionaire investor...that can NOT be a good thing.


Well supposedly those on Sac-town radio/Sac-Town Royalty are playing it off as no big deal and actually good for the Sac group because now the Maloofs will be more willing to sell to KJ's group if the Seattle bid is denied.

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I don't know the impact of this news, but anytime you lose a billionaire investor...that can NOT be a good thing.


Well supposedly those on Sac-town radio/Sac-Town Royalty are playing it off as no big deal and actually good for the Sac group because now the Maloofs will be more willing to sell to KJ's group if the Seattle bid is denied.

Uh huh. I'm sure that aspect of it is worth more than the large sum of money Burkle was going to contribute that now needs to be made up by the lesser investors.

Again, if he's so unimportant, why is KJ on the phone "closing the deal" with him in that pic? Whose people were on point negotiating the arena deal? Are Vivek and Mastrov fine with the same arena deal? The Sac side of things continues to look like the rushed, disorganized, ill-prepared mess it always has been.


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Don't be a pussy.

KJ has been using the Sacramento media as shills the whole time. Their sources have always appeared to be people close to KJ's circle. Their "leaks" are strategic PR moves, not legitimate news.


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Big Chris from SonicsRising pretty much summed the day up perfectly:

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I’m so glad my day today didn’t look like this:

Brian: “We’re losing one of our key investors.”
Me: “So how are they announcing this?”
Brian: “The mayor will be making an announce of a new shoe just after word leaks to the press. We’re hoping that is enough of a distraction.”
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The NBA might be onboard with it because they know it's bringing the Sonics back.

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My question is, if the team stays in Sacramento and the city continues to go under because they now are helping to fund a team that cant be supported by that city, how long until KJ gets kicked out of office? His job is to be the leader of the city, not to be a blind sports fan with no interest in the financial well-being of the city. :141847_bnono:


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Looks like April 18th/19th will be the big day for us or Sacramento.

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Gahh, April 19th is approaching SOOOOOOOOOOOOO slowly.


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Interesting note from the KJ press conference
At least this bit:

When a reporter asked KJ if the other investors were going to make up the difference, he did not say yes. He said the owners are committed and that they were aware this might be an issue, which implies that things will be fine, but he never comes out and states an unequivocal yes. Might mean nothing, might mean something when it comes from a politician whose job is to parse words.

Maybe it’s not an issue, but I am skeptical that you can take out the biggest investor in the group and have people ready to pony up a huge amount of cash.

So there was no confirmation that the Sac group would match, and the answer was just as political and dodgy about whether or not the amount Burkle was going to contribute is being completely replaced by the other investors.

http://www.king5.com/news/Sacramentos-w ... 55251.html

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“A high level NBA league source says Burkle “wasn’t all that fired up about this deal.”"

Even more interesting?
“NBA Commissioner David Stern said last week, when prompted about whether the Sacramento offer needed to be improved, “That’s not one of the issues we’re currently researching for the Owners.””

Uh what? I kept seeing that quote as simply “That’s not one of the issues,” but that additional bit sure feels like it changes the connotation. Basically going from “it’s not an issue” to “it’s not an issue we are looking into any further”, which would fit the idea thrown out there that the Sac offer is in, it is what it is, and the NBA is moving on, not that the NBA is necessarily fine with the Sac offer or that the Sac group has matched give or take $30m.


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Man, pinksheets, you should really have a Sonics blog. Good research and posts.


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Haha, I actually copy and pasted posts I made on SonicsRising.

If you aren't already, I highly recommending being a member and following that blog. News is posted there almost immediately by members and is immediately disseminated and discussed. Lots of smart people analyzing the situation, etc.


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Haha, I actually copy and pasted posts I made on SonicsRising.

If you aren't already, I highly recommending being a member and following that blog. News is posted there almost immediately by members and is immediately disseminated and discussed. Lots of smart people analyzing the situation, etc.


I was reading through Brian McCann's twitter account and he had a conversation between himself and a Kings fan and the fan stated that they KJ/Mastrov/Renediv offer is/was rumored to be around 30 mil less than the Hasen/Ballmer/Nord offer. Do you have any info on that Pink?

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Haha, I actually copy and pasted posts I made on SonicsRising.

If you aren't already, I highly recommending being a member and following that blog. News is posted there almost immediately by members and is immediately disseminated and discussed. Lots of smart people analyzing the situation, etc.


I was reading through Brian McCann's twitter account and he had a conversation between himself and a Kings fan and the fan stated that they KJ/Mastrov/Renediv offer is/was rumored to be around 30 mil less than the Hasen/Ballmer/Nord offer. Do you have any info on that Pink?

That's just speculation.

I mean, I can't say for certain it isn't true, but from all I can tell that rumor sprung up in speculative conversation between Kings fans when talking about Stern's comments that the Sac offer was "not an issue" (which btw, if you look at the full quote from the Chris Daniels article, may not be a fair way to sum up waht he said). They assumed that it "not being an issue" meant they had either matched or had offered all but the $30m deposit basically saying Hansen had already paid it so the Maloofs had it no matter what (meaning they were basically counting Hansen's payment as part of their bid since it was non-refundable). I haven't seen that linked to any source, just talked about in back and forth convos. I don't believe it's true, and if it were, I think it'd be an awful play for them to make.

And when you look at Stern's quote, again, you can take a lot from that. It's "not an issue" that they are "researching for owners". Meaning, I think the offer portion of it is simply final for Sac, they've made their pitch for what has been commonly referred to as a "backup offer".


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Also funny to note that in KJ's press conference today, he probably said, at least four times, that Sacramento should be the "final resting place for the Sacramento Kings".

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When Sacramento fans play this off as no big deal, that Burkle is not that important....

ask them or just yourself this...

who is KJ on the phone with celebrating an agreement on the arena?

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Totally misconstrued, he's excited for the pizza he just ordered.

Can you blame the guy? Pizza is delicious!!!!

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Just went over there for the first time, and I see this as the first thread... lol

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Sacramento developer Mark Friedman joins the Sacramento effort
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/201 ... acramento/

There is just so much instability on Sacramento's side and yet almost a week until the owner's meeting.


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Just went over there for the first time, and I see this as the first thread... lol

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KJ long ago established himself as almost a flat-out liar - a total politician. Any celebrating he is doing or claims he is making are %90 BS. The Hanson group is the opposite - pragmatic, straightforward, phlegmatic with the press. It's real, real hard to translate anything KJ says into any kind of reality. He's the captain of the Titanic going down with the ship, grinning, nodding, giving the thumbs up: "We'll be just fine!"

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When I look at this situation right now and try to pretend that I am neutral, I cannot see this going in Sacramento's favor. Seattle has a plan that is about as good as it gets while Sacramento is still trying to force pieces that don't quite fit. This is suppose to be a business decision after all...


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When I look at this situation right now and try to pretend that I am neutral, I cannot see this going in Sacramento's favor. Seattle has a plan that is about as good as it gets while Sacramento is still trying to force pieces that don't quite fit. This is suppose to be a business decision after all...


Yep. Seattle's ownership, arena plan, and market just seem so strong and stable at this point. Then the ticket reservation thing recently was brilliant, well timed.

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It's not like attendance to Sonics games before they left was lacking. In 06-07, the average attendance was approximately 95% of KeyArena's capacity. So there's really no basis for an argument that an NBA team did not and would not have enough support in Seattle.


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i just heard some zillionaire that was backing kings by the name of burkle just dropped off...things looking awful promising!!


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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.

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Say what you want about KJ but at least he isn't just laying down like Greg Nickels did; I hate him almost as much as I do Clay Bennett.


He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.


I haven't followed this as much so I didn't know he was throwing little shots at us, disregard my last post then. I think I read somewhere on twitter Hansen and the other guys on our side weren't allowed to publicly comment on the proceedings.


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He's still a punk, only a desperate man would throw the fans of either town under the bus. KJ has stooped to that level, Hansen & other Seattle guys haven't made it about the fans, but they/we could if we really felt like being jerks and taking it there. But we've been pretty business like in our approach both on the home front from the fans and where it matters with Hansen.


I haven't followed this as much so I didn't know he was throwing little shots at us, disregard my last post then. I think I read somewhere on twitter Hansen and the other guys on our side weren't allowed to publicly comment on the proceedings.


They're not, they're on gag order after the purchase was submitted and they were vetted. He did speak to the media a week ago, but it was just a bunch of "i can't really say anything on that" when it came to actually talking about the process, but when it came to talking about Seattle's support, he did a good job.

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The only thing that gives me a bad feeling about this whole situation is that Sacramento is really putting a push forward for their case. They're doing far, far more than Seattle ever did back in the day. The NBA, I think, would rather not move franchises if it had a choice. And that scares me. Even a half-assed plan to save the Kings could be all they need to pull this off.

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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


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I agree Seahawk Sailor. The NBA really screwed this whole thing up. By holding Sacramento's hand they have painted themselves into a corner. The message will either be "it will be nearly impossible to keep your team if your owner wants to sell to outside bidders" or "you can have a perfect arena plan in place with all the necessary support and you won't get a team, and owners can't really choose who they sell to".

I'm not worried, but I'm very nervous. I really think that if Seattle doesn't get the Kings there won't be another chance until the NBA expands.


Or I'm dead :-(


I'm still pretty confident we'll get the Kings. It's just hard not to question yourself with all the PR stuff Sacramento is doing.


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I honestly don't think the NBA wants to ever move franchises, look at New Orleans, they went out of their way last year to keep the team there. I think they're giving Sacramento a fair shot here, but I just don't think Sacramentos shot is good enough.

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Funny to see this transparent propaganda blitz from Sac based media.

"90/10 they stay"
"The NBA will not leave with a bad taste in the mouth of Sacramento"
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etc. etc. etc.

Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


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You change those Sacramentos to Seattles and it's 2008 all over again, lol. God those days friggin sucked, the team sucked and we were gonna lose em.

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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?

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Coincidentally this comes a day after they lose their biggest investor and replace him with some small time shady guy.


Sachawk finally putting his money where his mouth is, huh?


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"Want Sacramento back" is an odd choice of words, isn't it?

Why would you need to bring "Sacramento back" if they already hold a team? Might just be poor wording there, but that could sound like BoG was leaning Seattle but is now considering expansion to please both sides. That wouldn't surprise me. Picking one? Seattle, obvious choice. Picking both? Get the big money from Seattle and the nice tax write off for charity by having a team in Sac. :lol:


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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

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As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.


Yeah, I agree. I don't think there's enough room for another team.


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THE LATEST: Some #NBA owners want Sacramento back and pushing hard for Seattle expansion team, big bucks to them if it happens


Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?

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THE LATEST: Some #NBA owners want Sacramento back and pushing hard for Seattle expansion team, big bucks to them if it happens


Well if expansion is ultimately out of the question, which I think it is based on what Stern said. For those suspected owners that want to make both parties happy how do they vote on the 18th/19th?


They have to put aside their feelings for Sacramento and vote for whichever side has the most solid financial situation and arena plan.


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JSeahawks wrote:
As an outsider to the situation I hope they don't go the expansion route. I'd feel bad for the people of Sacramento if they lost the Kings, and I feel bad for the people of Seattle that they lost the Sonics. But as a fan of the NBA there are already too many crappy teams and not enough great players to go around. I'd rather cut a few teams from the NBA than add more.

Can we cut Portland from the list of crappy teams? ;)

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