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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:24 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:After listening to the Stern presser............I came away not feeling that great. I could see us being stabbed in the back by the NBA again.

    If David Stern came out wearing a Sonics jersey you'd convince yourself that it's a bad sign because he likely won't want to limit the vintage appeal of his wardrobe selection by bringing back the team.

    This was played down the middle, as expected, and from all indications the Sac group is not offering a matching bid, which is game over.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:56 pm
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    Blitzer88 wrote:After listening to the Stern presser............I came away not feeling that great. I could see us being stabbed in the back by the NBA again.

    If David Stern came out wearing a Sonics jersey you'd convince yourself that it's a bad sign because he likely won't want to limit the vintage appeal of his wardrobe selection by bringing back the team.

    This was played down the middle, as expected, and from all indications the Sac group is not offering a matching bid, which is game over.


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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:59 pm
  • You think the NBA will force a lesser offer on an owner? You think other owners will do that to themselves? You think Stern was honest and up front and that everything is being done in earnest and out in the open? It's hard to take statements he makes, especially when he's been blatantly and purposefully neutral in a press conference. We'll see, but unless Sac matches or the Maloofs are feeling charitable, the Sonics are a lock to return, and that team simply is not worth as much in Sacramento as it is in Seattle, that's a huge hurdle.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:12 pm
  • It's also worth noting that KJ even made it a point to refer to the Sac offer as a "back up offer" that can be accepted if Seattle "doesn't pan out". So in that instance, I suppose matching wouldn't be the pressing issue. If the league denies the PSA, they figure that the Maloofs can then look at these back up offers. If that's the case, that also likely means that the Seattle PSA will be judged on its own merits and not on anything coming out of Sacramento. It's either a competing bid or its a back up bid. Seattle is in the lead still, even KJ says so.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:17 pm
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:46 pm
  • pinksheets wrote:
    Blitzer88 wrote:After listening to the Stern presser............I came away not feeling that great. I could see us being stabbed in the back by the NBA again.

    If David Stern came out wearing a Sonics jersey you'd convince yourself that it's a bad sign because he likely won't want to limit the vintage appeal of his wardrobe selection by bringing back the team.

    This was played down the middle, as expected, and from all indications the Sac group is not offering a matching bid, which is game over.


    I only say that because I did not like that he said the decision would probably not be made till after the 18th/19th of April. Any extra time helps KJs group. Additionally, listening to 710 today Danny O'Neil and Jim Moore were saying that now this whole thing seems like it is a 50/50 toss up and any type of "tie" in terms of issues goes to Sacramento.

    Heck even Kevin Calabro sounded down when he said is was 50/50 at this point and time.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:50 pm
  • O'Neil and Moore are just guys on the radio and not citing inside sources or anything, and what ties are there?

    Every economic indicator is in Seattle's favor, our building's financing is rock solid, our ownership group is considerably stronger, etc. etc.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:20 pm
  • pinksheets wrote:O'Neil and Moore are just guys on the radio and not citing inside sources or anything, and what ties are there?

    Every economic indicator is in Seattle's favor, our building's financing is rock solid, our ownership group is considerably stronger, etc. etc.



    The biggest thing is the location. The PNW has only Portland for a huge area after the Sonics and Grizzlies. That is a good size media market and the revenue is shared by the Owners
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:45 pm
  • Additionally Brian McCann, SI legal analyst, who has been saying that we have a very good proposal and chance to get the Kings has changed his stance and said that we are now at 50/50 like others have said. Today was supposed to make me feel better and more confident, but it has done the exact opposite. I hate being me sometimes........ :240039:

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:58 pm
  • I also look at it this way, how could the NBA take the team out of Sac-town when they have a viable ownership as well as a viable(enough) arena plan, when the Sonics left we didn't really have either of those things. If Sac-town is able to put their pieces even more together I just see them keeping the Kings even though Chris and Co. already have a purchase agreement. I know I am being a HUGE negative influence, but I just don't want to get my hopes up and than have them stomped on again by the NBA if things go against us again......heck even Throw said he was nervous about today and he has always been Mr. positive. I just wish they approved the sale and such when it was first announced.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:04 pm
  • Sacramento does not have either of those

    Their whole presentation and backing is based on What If's, not concrete solid financial, corporate backing like Seattle does
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:08 pm
  • I still don't expect to be screwed, the nba risks losing aa market foor a generation if they leave us empty handed. I don't think they will do that.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:40 pm
  • Blitzer I'm about to block you until this thing is over! Haha

    Or you could just block yourself from anything Sonics related until we give you the high sign.

    This will be the high sign: :0190l:
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:47 pm
  • dunceface wrote:Blitzer I'm about to block you until this thing is over! Haha

    Or you could just block yourself from anything Sonics related until we give you the high sign.

    This will be the high sign: :0190l:


    Man I tell myself everyday to avoid this thread, Chris Daniels twitter account as well SonicsRising, but I always catch myself going back and looking at stuff. I think I'm gonna be sick.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:50 pm
  • U should try some of those "How I Met Your Mother Super Bowl Blinders"

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:09 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:I still don't expect to be screwed, the nba risks losing aa market foor a generation if they leave us empty handed. I don't think they will do that.


    The NBA risks a lot more than losing the market. They risk being stuck with the Maloofs if this falls through. "Yes, take a lesser offer so we can keep a team in a crappier market simply for sentimentality reasons."

    The presser by KJ was a freakin joke, and I don't care what Stern says, he is a lawyer and well versed in speaking from both sides of his mouth. They are going to vote "Yes" on this, because no owner wants to be told who to sell to and for how much.

    On top of all that, we have better numbers and all that :P
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:21 pm
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    Blitzer88 wrote:After listening to the Stern presser............I came away not feeling that great. I could see us being stabbed in the back by the NBA again.

    If David Stern came out wearing a Sonics jersey you'd convince yourself that it's a bad sign because he likely won't want to limit the vintage appeal of his wardrobe selection by bringing back the team.

    This was played down the middle, as expected, and from all indications the Sac group is not offering a matching bid, which is game over.


    Question to Stern: "Does Sacramento need to improve their offer?" Stern: "That is not one of the issues." - Question posed to Stern today at his presser


    Can they even make an offer with Ranadive being part owner in GS?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:51 am
  • This is how the original Sonics should have been fought for. But the State didn't want to back Balmer and company's solution and antagonized Stern as well. KJ on the other hand has gone to the well more than once to use his influence to hold off losing the Kings the past few years.

    Some time after the NFL draft this will all end. Based on Sacramento saying they can have a new building by 2015 while Seattle is thinking 2017, I am not as positive that this will go down for Seattle. The only question I have is whether the NBA feels they can force the Maloofs to deal with the Sacramento group? Sure seems that way. How belittling it must be to sell your majority ownership in a team, only to have the league listen to another group that has not dealt with you.

    I guess even owners don't really own an NBA team.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:01 am
  • drdiags wrote:Some time after the NFL draft this will all end. Based on Sacramento saying they can have a new building by 2015 while Seattle is thinking 2017,


    http://www.scpr.org/blogs/environment/2013/04/01/13127/superior-court-judge-rules-fast-track-law-on-ceqa/

    Not so fast... quite literally. Sac's Arena deal may be in further limbo than they let on.

    The provision thrown out by Judge Roesch changed the rules for legal challenges to certain developments under the California Environmental Quality Act. Under the law, anyone suing to block a large-scale project that developed renewable energy or met green building standards had to bypass the lower courts and go straight to the courts of appeal. A group called the Planning and Conservation League sued, calling that provision unconstitutional because it limited the public's legal options. In a ruling from the bench last Friday, March 29, Judge Roesch agreed.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:45 am
  • Their arena proposal was already months behind ours before the expedited environmental review was ruled unconstitutional.

    Oh and our boy Gary is going to the Hall.

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:52 am
  • Something huge that I think is being overlooked is the Maloofs making a statement during the presentation that they wanted the NBA to approve the sale to Hanson. The BOG is the team owners. Are they going to set the precedent that the league can refuse the possible future sale of their own team? The Sac group is this hostile third party - basically a corporate pirate - trying to hijack a sale between two willing parties. The BOG are all wealthy businessmen. Are they seriously going to deny the sparkly clean Hanson and bring a corporate pirate into their ownership midst? I think this thing about the delay is just BS. It's just to appease the clamor in Sac. Stern screwed up the Sonics sale, he doesn't want another debacle like that. We're getting this team, people (knock wood).
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:17 am
  • Lords of Scythia wrote:Something huge that I think is being overlooked is the Maloofs making a statement during the presentation that they wanted the NBA to approve the sale to Hanson. The BOG is the team owners. Are they going to set the precedent that the league can refuse the possible future sale of their own team? The Sac group is this hostile third party - basically a corporate pirate - trying to hijack a sale between two willing parties. The BOG are all wealthy businessmen. Are they seriously going to deny the sparkly clean Hanson and bring a corporate pirate into their ownership midst? I think this thing about the delay is just BS. It's just to appease the clamor in Sac. Stern screwed up the Sonics sale, he doesn't want another debacle like that. We're getting this team, people (knock wood).


    Well one word that has consistently been thrown out during this entire process is "unprecedented." Stern said it yesterday, that this was an unprecedented event. And as have many others have said it would be unprecedented for them to deny this sale, but it could also become unprecedented in another way in that they, the BOG, deny our sale and have the Maloofs sell to the Sac group.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:44 am
  • The NBA cannot force the Maloofs to sell to anyone, period!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:01 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:The NBA cannot force the Maloofs to sell to anyone, period!


    Supposedly the NBA forced Shinn to sell.

    Blitzer88 wrote:Well one word that has consistently been thrown out during this entire process is "unprecedented." Stern said it yesterday, that this was an unprecedented event. And as have many others have said it would be unprecedented for them to deny this sale, but it could also become unprecedented in another way in that they, the BOG, deny our sale and have the Maloofs sell to the Sac group.


    I am not sure how to categorize the denial of the sell of the Timberwolves to the New Orleans group awhile back. I see our local media counts that as the BOG turning down the sale, so maybe denying this sale would not be considered "unprecedented". Fuzzy on the entire details of why that was turned down. Will have to go research it.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:06 pm
  • Shinn wasn't forced to sell. He was looking to sell as he was dealing with cancer treatment and his negotiations with a local ownership group fell apart. Shinn had proposed the NBA buy him out and the owners begrudgingly went alone. It was seen as more of a bail out of Shinn than an ouster. I think the more notable aspect of Shinn's story is him leaving Charlotte. He wanted out of that city, the city offered up a giant public subsidy for an arena so long as there was a new owner, the NBA felt uncomfortable with the city telling an owner he has to sell, allowed Shinn to relocate, and just promised Charlotte expansion. Sacramento isn't trying to force the Maloofs to sell, just trying to get the NBA to force them to sell to their ownership group. I think the past has shown the NBA supporting ownership's discretion even when it hurts relationships with cities.

    And the Timberwolves sales/relocation was denied because the financials were screwy. The ownership group had mystery investors and a ton of money being borrowed to buy the team that exceeded what the NBA was comfortable with.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:35 pm
  • Funny how 40% of Oklahoma thinks Seattle shouldnt get the kings. I guess getting a team from another city is wrong.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:42 pm
  • Pstark3 wrote:Funny how 40% of Oklahoma thinks Seattle shouldnt get the kings. I guess getting a team from another city is wrong.


    How dare you say such a foul word in this thread!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:47 pm
  • I don't get why Oklahoma wouldn't want us to get a team, you know how hostile those rivalry games would be? OR WHEN THE TEAM ACTUALLY GOT GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD AMAZING AND STABLE OWNERSHIP?

    Oh man those WCF's in 2018 would be amazing and i'll fly to OKC and give Peaches a choke hold, lovingly of course.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:49 pm
  • ...you want to erotically asphyxiate Peaches?
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:51 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:...you want to erotically asphyxiate Peaches?


    What Peaches and I do in our private time is between us!
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:58 pm
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    SacHawk2.0 wrote:...you want to erotically asphyxiate Peaches?


    What Peaches and I do in our private time is between us!


    Not when you advertise it.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:02 pm
  • pinksheets wrote:Shinn wasn't forced to sell ...

    ... And the Timberwolves sales/relocation was denied because the financials were screwy. The ownership group had mystery investors and a ton of money being borrowed to buy the team that exceeded what the NBA was comfortable with.


    Thanks for the info 'sheets. Used to be plugged into all the major sports 20 yrs ago but interest has waned over the years. That is why I tend to weasel-word everything. That and working with anal S/W engineers, they can be brutal.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:02 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:...you want to erotically asphyxiate Peaches?


    What Peaches and I do in our private time is between us!


    Not when you advertise it.


    You need a hug, bro? lol
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:03 pm
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    Throwdown wrote:[quote="SacHawk2.0"]...you want to erotically asphyxiate Peaches?


    What Peaches and I do in our private time is between us!


    Not when you advertise it.


    You need a hug, bro? lol[/quote]

    ...yes...
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:40 pm
  • What I have been reading lately, I know......dangerous, is that this will ultimately will come down when the respective arenas will or can be built and most seem to believe that Sac's arena will be built quicker even after today's developments. What other respective challenges does our arena have to go through up here aside from the environmental impact study? And why do most feel that ours will be completed later if we have started sooner?
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:58 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:What I have been reading lately, I know......dangerous, is that this will ultimately will come down when the respective arenas will or can be built and most seem to believe that Sac's arena will be built quicker even after today's developments. What other respective challenges does our arena have to go through up here aside from the environmental impact study? And why do most feel that ours will be completed later if we have started sooner?

    Most don't.

    I have no idea where you're getting your take on things from unless you're just reading Aaron Bruski, who is a total shill that also claimed that the original Sacramento offer was very close (it was reportedly $125m short) to the Seattle PSA. If both plans stayed on track, Sacramento was looking at being a few months behind Seattle WITH their expedited process. Now that's off the table, and we're talking about projects both open to litigation, though the Seattle arena deal has already stomped one lawsuit and is an actually thought out, vetted deal at this point. Seattle's EIS is underway, the Sacramento arena plan isn't even particularly close to getting that started.

    Keep in mind that the Sac city council basically voted on a "term sheet" that's essentially some loose ideas about how things would be paid for with the thought that they needed to show support and the nitty gritty would be gotten to later. All of those negotiations Chris did with the City Council, all of that fine tuning? Sac hasn't even started to think about that. They haven't got real numbers, they haven't got a real proposed financing plan, and they haven't gone through any public debate or city council review or vote on anything thorough, detailed, and more importantly, official. So after that, they can start on environmental reviews, which are again, open to litigation.

    Our EIS will be done in November. From there it's dotting i's and crossing t's, filling out official paperwork, etc. in regards to the transaction, then if/when a team is acquired we can build the thing.
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  • pinksheets wrote:Blitzer, listen to this. DO IT NOW DO IT NOW DO IT NOW ILL FIND YOU

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    I already did when you first posted it.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:44 pm
  • How does that not make you feel confident?

    Don't just let the negative chit chat bring you down, when our government guys who have been working on this for a couple of years, who were in the room with the NBA BOG on the 3rd, who are the types who know about the process of putting together an arena plan and what state one really is in feel that confident and call the Sac plan "vapor"....feel good.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:22 pm
  • Is Blitzer an avid Aaron Bruski reader or something?
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:32 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Is Blitzer an avid Aaron Bruski reader or something?


    I must be lol.
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:36 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:Is Blitzer an avid Aaron Bruski reader or something?


    I must be lol.


    Have to be! He's the only guy who said 2017 for Seattle, when in reality in November after things are signed and if Hansen gets the team, the building starts going up.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:40 am
  • From ESPN's article on the meeting

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9131247/groups-representing-sacramento-seattle-vie-nba-kings

    Last week, lawmakers in Sacramento passed a term sheet promising $258 million of a $448 million arena project set for downtown. They are hoping to get the building open by 2015, though all timelines are loose and adding to the complex nature of the decision


    They have an agreement with city and county officials to build a $490 million arena in downtown Seattle to be open in 2017. The team would play in KeyArena for the next two-plus seasons until the new building was done. The Hansen group is putting in $290 million of its own money, not including $50 million already spent to buy real estate near the Seattle Mariners' Safeco Field.


    The author Brian Windhorst may have lifted these dates from this Aaron Bruski fellow, not sure? So unless one is well versed on the subject as some are here, it isn't difficult to get lost in the propaganda. Makes for good drama but these guys are dragging their feet on this one.

    That 2017 date didn't jive with what I thought I originally heard with this. If the team is purchased, the commitment to build is activated and I thought the team would only play in Key Arena the next 2 seasons, which meant to me 2016 but maybe things have changed since the last time I paid attention?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:54 am
  • The Seattle target date is 2015-2016 with a possibility it could slip to the 2016-2017 season.

    Sacramento still hasn't:

    1. Approved a deal like ours with actual financing, etc. and that begins an environmental review
    2. Obviously, gone through environmental review and dealt with any lawsuits
    3. Even purchased all of the property needed

    Then there will be a ton of demolition required before they can even break ground. I think 2016-2017 (our late projection) is as early as Sacramento can get this done. That article is definitely parroting Bruski, and I think that's Bruski's intent: flood the conversation with talk of how quickly Sacramento's arena will go up with bs about how long it'll take Seattle.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:34 pm
  • Can't recall if this has been posted before, but I was just reading through it a bit more thoroughly so I thought I'd put it up:

    http://eyeonsacramento.com/2013/03/an-e ... -proposal/

    I don't know much about the group's leanings, perhaps they are diehard anti-arena, but just on its own merit, their report is intriguing. If you're interested, focus especially on sections VI and VII, in which the report takes apart and/or asks questions about the financing plan and the general fund backfill for Sacramento. The problem with the term sheet is it essentially has no details and is largely based off projections that aren't sourced or explained. Most of the money is just money shuffled around from other sources, not new revenue, and it all leads back to the city's general fund being on the hook in the event of a default. How likely is a default? Well even the Sacramento projections on the interest rates are relatively quite high, which is normally the case for high risk debt. I highly recommend reading the whole report, especially those two sections, if you're having doubts.

    Now the question is: how much is this the NBA's problem? Perhaps none at all. I doubt the NBA is greatly concerned with the long term health of the city of Sacramento, but on the other hand, they also might not want to have Sacramento's story end up a cautionary tale about entering into large public partnerships with the NBA, in the event of a default disaster. Then again, maybe the NBA doesn't care.

    The bigger side of things, to me, is how do you get this into the form of an actual piece of binding legislation? Will the Sacramento city council just roll with the current projections, or will more work need to be done? Keep in mind, this is not the equivalent of our MOU, where the financing has been worked out and agreed to, the Sacramento city council essentially just endorsed a non-binding letter of intent, stating that they like the terms and projections in this document and would likely move forward. I'm not sure if the council would push back, they seem to be more concerned with the political fallout of keeping the Kings than anything else, but an actual financing agreement is going to have to have a lot more detail and legitimate terms to move forward. The fact of the matter is, the vague responses that the general fund would likely be protected or that the city isn't really on the hook, ie all the BS, won't hold up nearly as well. The bonds won't be issued without guarantees, the people with the real money financing these bonds are going to want to see hard numbers, not rosy projections. There is so much left to be hashed out on Sacramento's side that their only hope is to commit to essentially not doing any due diligence and just taking the City Manager and investors' word for it.

    And why bother if the Seattle deal is nixed? What pressure is on the Sacramento city council to rush this thing through if the NBA removes the threat of an impending sale and move? It would be in the best service to their city, realizing that they were no longer under the gun, to make sure this deal really pencils out. The NBA will be deciding the fate of the Kings before their city council gets into the nitty gritty, so who is to say really how long the next leg of the race for them will take? They won't be under any more time constraints so more scrutiny is inevitable, even by a seemingly eager city council.

    I don't want to take the position of sports complexes being awful for an economy. I don't buy into that wholesale. They certainly spark development in their surrounding area, etc., whether or not that diverts from spending elsewhere, I'm not positive. The problem here is that Sacramento's proposal has a bizarrely complex Rube Goldberg financing machine that serves to obscure where the money is really coming from all in the name of supposedly revitalizing a downtrodden economy via a new sports building. Their central piece for economic development is a basketball arena with zero chance of even adding a secod professional team beyond the WNBA. It's not going to happen, which is why I always end up bringing the Simpsons "Monorail" episode. Tons of lofty promises that don't hold up to any kind of scrutiny being readily consumed by people desperate to get the wheels turning. I'm not going to tell Sacramento what's best for their city, because frankly, I don't give a damn, but all of these aspects are relevant, as they are the biggest impediments to a competing plan.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:16 am
  • Warning for Blitzer, KJ's punk ass is having a press conference tomorrow, DON'T TRIP!
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