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Well, unless Hansen copped to the NBA that he did this back during the initial ruckus, I'd say he's probably put himself in a position where he'll be blacklisted by the NBA for interfering in one of their public funding schemes. He's out.


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If you're going to do that, make sure you a) don't get caught, b) actually get your referendum going, and c) don't get caught.

Sacramento's arena is never getting built, so honestly it is still the Kings or nothing. I'm past the NBA ever coming back myself, to be honest, so it doesn't matter to me, but this makes sense in theory - as long as you don't get caught.

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Well, unless Hansen copped to the NBA that he did this back during the initial ruckus, I'd say he's probably put himself in a position where he'll be blacklisted by the NBA for interfering in one of their public funding schemes. He's out.

naw, I don't know, If Darth Stern wasn't leaving I'd be more apt to agree..... this (Sonics-Sac) situation was more fixed than Super Bowl XL* (and that's sayin' a lot) its another reason I think they should have gone "scorched earth" on the NBA and sued the living beejesus out of that crap league.

Playing nice, with a bunch of power hungry nimrods and morons usually doesn't pay off, you have to use a language they understand, a curb stomping via lawsuit!

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Well, unless Hansen copped to the NBA that he did this back during the initial ruckus, I'd say he's probably put himself in a position where he'll be blacklisted by the NBA for interfering in one of their public funding schemes. He's out.

naw, I don't know, If Darth Stern wasn't leaving I'd be more apt to agree..... this (Sonics-Sac) situation was more fixed than Super Bowl XL* (and that's sayin' a lot) its another reason I think they should have gone "scorched earth" on the NBA and sued the living beejesus out of that crap league.

Playing nice, with a bunch of power hungry nimrods and morons usually doesn't pay off, you have to use a language they understand, a curb stomping via lawsuit!


Tis what I would have preferred. I get the feeling that the NBA is content with making us the boogey man anyways and not giving us a team, so might as well burn the bridge and ensure they have to find some other way to scare teams into falling in line. And if the NBA really wants to go the "moral" route on this anyways, then screw em. They lost that right a long time ago.

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Well, unless Hansen copped to the NBA that he did this back during the initial ruckus, I'd say he's probably put himself in a position where he'll be blacklisted by the NBA for interfering in one of their public funding schemes. He's out.

If pinksheets says we're in trouble than were in trouble. Don't know how Chris thought this wouldn't catch up to him sooner or later. Smh. :cry:

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Everything I've read or heard so far indicates he and by association we (Seattle) are screwed.


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Everything I've read or heard so far indicates he and by association we (Seattle) are screwed.


If that truly is the case, then screw Stern and the NBA, for all of this. It should have never gotten to this point in the first place, and where they get off having any moral right is beyond psychotic. I'll turn my attention towards the NHL now.

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Everything I've read or heard so far indicates he and by association we (Seattle) are screwed.


If that truly is the case, then screw Stern and the NBA, for all of this. It should have never gotten to this point in the first place, and where they get off having any moral right is beyond psychotic. I'll turn my attention towards the NHL now.



Screw Stern, yes. However this looks way bad and was way wrong on Hansens part. As far as NHL it's probably no NBA arena no NHL team.


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Everything I've read or heard so far indicates he and by association we (Seattle) are screwed.


If that truly is the case, then screw Stern and the NBA, for all of this. It should have never gotten to this point in the first place, and where they get off having any moral right is beyond psychotic. I'll turn my attention towards the NHL now.



Screw Stern, yes. However this looks way bad and was way wrong on Hansens part. As far as NHL it's probably no NBA arena no NHL team.


I really don't know if this screws us or not. I've heard reports say that we're done, and others say that it is nothing. To me it depends on when the timeline was and when it all went down. If they really want to blacklist us for their own business practices, then have at it. But everyone involved has no moral highground on this, especially when they pulled this very crap a couple years ago.

And not necessarily no on the NHL team. The MOU can be changed if the proper NHL crew wants to come in and give it a whirl. Hansen would probably sell off the land and turn over the MOU to let the possible NHL ownership deal with it. Who knows at this point. I'm washing my hands of all of it.

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Well, unless Hansen copped to the NBA that he did this back during the initial ruckus, I'd say he's probably put himself in a position where he'll be blacklisted by the NBA for interfering in one of their public funding schemes. He's out.

If pinksheets says we're in trouble than were in trouble. Don't know how Chris thought this wouldn't catch up to him sooner or later. Smh. :cry:


He didn't say we're in trouble you little girl. He said if the league didn't know we are, we don't know if the league knew or not.

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Honestly, I'm just rooting that someone with money goes to Bellevue or Redmond and strikes a deal to build a hockey-only arena.

The Sonics/NBA were my first sports love, but just like in real life when it didn't work out with my first actual love, I moved on and married someone else (and someone better to boot), I am just fine being a three-sport town and watching college basketball.

I was reading over at Sonics Rising, and these guys are not thinking in a cut-throat manner. The business of sports is dirty. There are a limited number of goods to be acquired. Like with anything else, that means you have to do what you have to do. Don't be apologetic or ashamed about it. Just accept that it didn't work and wait for Sacramento to self-destruct or Milwaukee to self-destruct or whatever.

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Bellevue wants an arena, but they want it made with private money 100

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Bellevue wants an arena, but they want it made with private money 100

Talk about unrealistic.


Yeah, that is just too crazy. I knew they wanted an arena, but if they aren't budging off the 100% private money thing, so much for that happening.

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Reading up on the ESPN article about the recent developments doesn't make things look great for us.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95755 ... ings-arena

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... a/2666397/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... 58934.html

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So it was AFTER?

He couldn't just take the L?????

IMO that means there was no expectation of expansion, and all those rumors were B.S.

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I don't see how this screws us anymore than we already were once Stern decided to make up new rules. Like I said, I only wish Hansen had gotten dirtier earlier when all this crap started coming out. Hell, I wish he would have gone the lawsuit route.

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IMO that means there was no expectation of expansion, and all those rumors were B.S.



Yup, that is what it is looking like. Again, a nudge nudge wink wink type of deal with no real promise. Screw that, lawyer up. Might as well burn that bridge once and for all and not be used as leverage.

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I mean regardless, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of ass kissing going on behind the scenes that no one is privy too. I still have faith in Hansen, but now I like him even more (weird huh?) that he's willing to get a little more dirty since its obvious the politics of the NBA are dirty.

Still believe in H/B/N, this changes nothing, if this was as bad as some are making it out to be, this arena deal thing would be folded with the quickness and a billion "I'm sorry's" handed out for wasting our time.

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IMO that means there was no expectation of expansion, and all those rumors were B.S.



Yup, that is what it is looking like. Again, a nudge nudge wink wink type of deal with no real promise. Screw that, lawyer up. Might as well burn that bridge once and for all and not be used as leverage.


I'm not ready for that, yet. I'd like to see what this Silver guy is all about before we burn any bridges, he's known to favor bigger markets instead of raping the smaller ones.

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IMO that means there was no expectation of expansion, and all those rumors were B.S.



Yup, that is what it is looking like. Again, a nudge nudge wink wink type of deal with no real promise. Screw that, lawyer up. Might as well burn that bridge once and for all and not be used as leverage.


I'm not ready for that, yet. I'd like to see what this Silver guy is all about before we burn any bridges, he's known to favor bigger markets instead of raping the smaller ones.


I was more talking about when this crap first went down. Mah bad :lol:

I'm curious to see what happens from here on out to be sure.

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IMO that means there was no expectation of expansion, and all those rumors were B.S.



Yup, that is what it is looking like. Again, a nudge nudge wink wink type of deal with no real promise. Screw that, lawyer up. Might as well burn that bridge once and for all and not be used as leverage.


I'm not ready for that, yet. I'd like to see what this Silver guy is all about before we burn any bridges, he's known to favor bigger markets instead of raping the smaller ones.

I am! Silver is a hand picked Stern stooge, I don't trust him any farther than I can throw his weasel looking @$$! Plus being a new commish he may scare easy when he realizes he is about to get the bejesus sued out of him and his league, probably not a way to start your legacy as a new commish with a anti-trust lawsuit smacking you around. :)

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I have no clue what this means, but for what it's worth...

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I hope that it indicates that Hansen and the city are open to changing the MOU and letting a hockey team play there first, but there is about a 0.001% chance of this actually having anything to do with that, and there's less of a chance that the MOU does get altered for hockey first.

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Id love to see a team back in Seattle that and a NHL franchise im sure it will happen in the next few years.

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In other words... Make us, filthy stinking rich bastards, so much more rich that we can't say no.

It's absurd that an organization can have this kind of strangle hold on a market that they can say no to good money simply because they want obscene money.

THAT is why I wish Chris and Balmer would have gone nuclear. We'd never get a team but maybe we could have thrown a big enough wrench in the machine that the owners couldn't pull this shit with another city/market.

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In other words... Make us, filthy stinking rich bastards, so much more rich that we can't say no.

It's absurd that an organization can have this kind of strangle hold on a market that they can say no to good money simply because they want obscene money.

THAT is why I wish Chris and Balmer would have gone nuclear. We'd never get a team but maybe we could have thrown a big enough wrench in the machine that the owners couldn't pull this shit with another city/market.


Pretty much what I wish would have happened.

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Going nuclear would've wasted the money, heart, soul, and time Hansen put in, into this project... Just sayin'... No one wanna hear what I gotta say tho...

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Going nuclear would've wasted the money, heart, soul, and time Hansen put in, into this project... Just sayin'... No one wanna hear what I gotta say tho...


I do :lol:

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Going nuclear would've wasted the money, heart, soul, and time Hansen put in, into this project... Just sayin'... No one wanna hear what I gotta say tho...

With all due respect I disagree. I don't think they are any closer to getting a team back then they were the day the Sonics left. I really don't give 2 squirts about the NBA or their craptastic product, if they are going to dick around Hansen/Balmer then they they deserved scorched earth and the league going down in flames on Stern's watch! Just my .05 worth :)

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Hansen rips the "sonics without subsidies" group and Seattle times editorial board...

http://www.sonicsarena.com

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Hansen rips the "sonics without subsidies" group and Seattle times editorial board...

http://www.sonicsarena.com

Someone's getting a little irritated.


He should have ripped them a long time ago. They have been against this from day one.

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Hansen rips the "sonics without subsidies" group and Seattle times editorial board...

http://www.sonicsarena.com

Someone's getting a little irritated.


He should have ripped them a long time ago. They have been against this from day one.


Gonna have to agree with you on that, should've gave the M's the business too.

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Hansen rips the "sonics without subsidies" group and Seattle times editorial board...

http://www.sonicsarena.com

Someone's getting a little irritated.


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Should have gone nuclear and sued the beejesus out of Stern and the NBA, that was their biggest mistake.

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Lords of Scythia wrote:
Gary Payton said about the NBA conspiracy theories: "It's all true and worse."


when did he say that?

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Interesting news on the expansion front:
http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/12/26/ ... er-emerges

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http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/12/26/ ... er-emerges


Well, as long as they're not Seattle they probably have a shot at a team.

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http://www.sonicsrising.com/2013/12/26/ ... er-emerges


Well, as long as they're not Seattle they probably have a shot at a team.


All cynicism aside, for me personally, if Seattle and Vegas got a team, with my proximity to Vegas I'd be able to attend a Sonics game :th2thumbs: :thirishdrinkers:

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If expansion comes, we have to be prepared to wait til the Milwaukee situation is resolved, it looks very very bleak in Milwaukee though, so did Sacramento. But Silver doesn't exactly have a pet city to save like Stern did.

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wouldn't we be waiting on the kings in that case too?
if their house of cards arena deal falls through wouldn't that mean they could be up for relocation again?
not that I'm holding my breath for that, I personally think expansion is probably the most likely avenue right now

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