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Jackson did admit that he had an agreement with Chris Hansen, the prospective owner of a Seattle-based franchise, to take any job in the organization that he wanted. Hansen lost his bid to relocate the Sacramento Kings to Seattle.

"I thought [Hansen] was dynamic," Jackson said during the interview. "I thought he had great ideas. He went through the whole process of getting the arena. He did everything right except win the franchise, but his vision I could buy into. I think he had the right vision for a team.


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Can't wait until Hansen owns the sonics. Dude is gonna be such an incredible owner.


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Kevin Calabro, quoting a high-ranking TV Sports executive, hears #NBA will return to Seattle in 24 months, quicker than previously thought


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If the TV exec had said he doesn't see the NBA returning to Seattle until 2042 you'd take it as gospel and be breaking down right now, though. :141847_bnono:


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funny...I gave my coworker a 24 month time frame for a return


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I could understand if it was a 24 month turnaround but the nba is going to have to jump on it quick. I support chris Hansen and think he will get it back. Just hoping sooner rather then later. Also I believe Calabro he is really tuned into the league and has a lot of friends after all the years of service.

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Why's the NBA gonna have to jump on it quick?

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Why's the NBA gonna have to jump on it quick?

Because our Space Needle is hard and ready. If it lasts longer than 24 months we need to seek medical attention.


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Why's the NBA gonna have to jump on it quick?

Because our Space Needle is hard and ready. If it lasts longer than 24 months we need to seek medical attention.


+1, would read again.

As long as it's guaranteed and within the next couple of years, I would be perfectly fine with that. I could wait if they were indeed coming home.

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Just thinking, if they guarantee it now, that arena would be done by the time the team comes into existence.

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Just thinking, if they guarantee it now, that arena would be done by the time the team comes into existence.


Watch, as soon as the EIS is done it's announced we get an expansion team.

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Just thinking, if they guarantee it now, that arena would be done by the time the team comes into existence.

I'm willing to be there won't be any sort of guarantee until we're through the EIS process. The NBA will say something once the only thing keeping shovels from the ground is the NBA.


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Isn't there supposed to be a competative bidding process for expansion teams? I think we all know who'd win that, but just sayin--would they just annoint Seattle?

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Isn't there supposed to be a competative bidding process for expansion teams? I think we all know who'd win that, but just sayin--would they just annoint Seattle?


Supposedly. Given how the NBA has acted though, I wouldn't doubt that they fast tracked something just to favor a city.

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I don't care I just want our sonics back. Plus I can't wait to see that new sick ass arena.


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Just thinking, if they guarantee it now, that arena would be done by the time the team comes into existence.

I'm willing to be there won't be any sort of guarantee until we're through the EIS process. The NBA will say something once the only thing keeping shovels from the ground is the NBA.


That's my bet as well. Why bother granting expansion and announcing it right away when the process isn't done yet. When the EIS is all cleaned up and taken care of, and the City/County Councils have their vote for approval, we will probably see something shortly after. I know we all wanted the Kings, but quite honestly expansion was my preferred route.

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I highly doubt the NBA will expand. The more I think about it and read about the situation, I think it's Milwaukee or Charlotte. Neither of those two cities comes close the support Sac showed for the Kings. Plus there were rumors that Sea had the necessary votes going into the final vote but Stern twisted every arm he could and cashed in favors. Silver does NOT have that kind of clout with owners if he wanted to keep the NBA out of Seattle. BUT Silver, from everything said about him, is huge into having the NBA in the strongest markets possible. I don't think he wants to dilute his product by expanding only to have some of the absolute weakest markets fail and not get new arenas.

IMO Hansen's last statement said it clearly, and I think they go after a current team. I don't think they are even thinking or hoping expansion, nor should they. I think expansion is such a long shot. The Sonics will only return through relocation, IMO.

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Isn't there supposed to be a competative bidding process for expansion teams? I think we all know who'd win that, but just sayin--would they just annoint Seattle?


I'm not sure about that but didn't they just give Charlotte a team when they lost their team? Expansion doesn't make sense in the bigger picture unless you add 2 cities. Just adding one creates an unbalance in conferences (one would have more than the other) plus decreases the amount of money each team receives. I think that is the sticking issue, Seattle wants a team but what other city has stepped forward for a team? If there were 2 cities looking for teams then I don't think expansion would be as big issue. I'm surprised that Kansas City or St. Louis hasn't made a push for a NBA team. Both cities had a team before and lost them.


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Isn't there supposed to be a competative bidding process for expansion teams? I think we all know who'd win that, but just sayin--would they just annoint Seattle?


I'm not sure about that but didn't they just give Charlotte a team when they lost their team? Expansion doesn't make sense in the bigger picture unless you add 2 cities. Just adding one creates an unbalance in conferences (one would have more than the other) plus decreases the amount of money each team receives. I think that is the sticking issue, Seattle wants a team but what other city has stepped forward for a team? If there were 2 cities looking for teams then I don't think expansion would be as big issue. I'm surprised that Kansas City or St. Louis hasn't made a push for a NBA team. Both cities had a team before and lost them.


I'm on board you need to to make it work. KC and St Louis obviously haven't pushed for a team or they'd have one. I just think the league is watered down enough.


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It takes a bold man to decide to be a huge villain to his home community. Do you think Kohl and Jordan have the audacity to make themselves into a Maloof or Schultz? I think the only way either does that is if they've seriously exhausted all options, which will be years from now, and they may even sell local first and let that owner be the one to sell them off for relocation. Selling to Hansen is a villainous act on its face for any existing owner, because they've literally just sold the team out of town. It's a good way to destroy your reputation, which is why I think it'd take years for every other option to be tried so they can give themselves some cover. I think certainly not within the next couple of years.


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I would be uncomfortable swiping the Bucks, honestly. Yeah, it's not a successful franchise, but it's a tenured one, IMO. Who didn't love Terry Cummings (Top Cat!), Glenn Robinson (Big Dog), Michael Redd, or even the greatest Buck ever, Flip Murray?

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I've never been to Milwaukee, I'd be ok with it.



That is because the citizens of Sacramento are so broke cannot even afford to stand in the unemployment line.

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I can see why the Clippers would want to stay in the LA Market, but that would have to be a team that could consider selling to Hansen and not have a ton of blow-back. Don't know if the current Sterling is the same Donald Sterling who was a brunt of jokes on how badly he ran that team.

Since they share the Forum, it wouldn't be because of a building that they were leaving. Just some idle thoughts in my pea-brain.

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I would be uncomfortable swiping the Bucks, honestly. Yeah, it's not a successful franchise, but it's a tenured one, IMO. Who didn't love Terry Cummings (Top Cat!), Glenn Robinson (Big Dog), Michael Redd, or even the greatest Buck ever, Flip Murray?

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I can see why the Clippers would want to stay in the LA Market, but that would have to be a team that could consider selling to Hansen and not have a ton of blow-back. Don't know if the current Sterling is the same Donald Sterling who was a brunt of jokes on how badly he ran that team.

Since they share the Forum, it wouldn't be because of a building that they were leaving. Just some idle thoughts in my pea-brain.


While unlikely, can we still fistbump doc and pass the man a Centrum Silver for this thinking? Yeah, Sterling wouldn't sell, but it's a deal the NBA owners would do, actually. Sterling's a drag on the owners fraternity. And, while losing LA would be tough, the ellure of Hansen/Ballmer and getting Sterling out, would make it passible in committe.


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Dreaming about the Bucks and Pacers and Clips are all kind of crazy to me. The NBA just blocked us from moving the Kings, a team that has been passed around like a bong at a frat party, from a city that is a broke garbage dump. Unless Milwaukee or Indianapolis (and their respective states) just throw up their hands and roll over, there is no way either of those teams get moved.

Hansen should have sued the NBA and forced them to guarantee expansion because at this point, the next path into the NBA for Seattle is probably coming up in about 2035.

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Those that think the NBA will be watered down should just stop watching the NFL then also, I mean there are only a hand full of eliete QB's in the league and any other team should just be folded. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and now possibly Wilson. Rest of the teams are watered down at QB and should just sit out till next years draft.

Thats how everyone looks at the NBA, if Kobe and Lebron or Durant sin't on your team your a faliure and there isn't enough players in the world like them so don't expand the league anymore.

Bullshit, blame Phil Jackson for the triangle offense and setting up the clear and one on one match upo with a elite player like Jordon or Bryant for this. Team basketball and actually playing defense can win championships. It's lazy coaching and entitled players that need to be changed.

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Dreaming about the Bucks and Pacers and Clips are all kind of crazy to me. The NBA just blocked us from moving the Kings, a team that has been passed around like a bong at a frat party, from a city that is a broke garbage dump. Unless Milwaukee or Indianapolis (and their respective states) just throw up their hands and roll over, there is no way either of those teams get moved.

Hansen should have sued the NBA and forced them to guarantee expansion because at this point, the next path into the NBA for Seattle is probably coming up in about 2035.


You're wrong, actually. The NBA PREFERS markets like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Portland, etc. You know why? Becuase they're the ONLY professional dog in town. I respect your opinion, honest, just make sure its a correct one next time.

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Isn't there supposed to be a competative bidding process for expansion teams? I think we all know who'd win that, but just sayin--would they just annoint Seattle?


I'm not sure about that but didn't they just give Charlotte a team when they lost their team? Expansion doesn't make sense in the bigger picture unless you add 2 cities. Just adding one creates an unbalance in conferences (one would have more than the other) plus decreases the amount of money each team receives. I think that is the sticking issue, Seattle wants a team but what other city has stepped forward for a team? If there were 2 cities looking for teams then I don't think expansion would be as big issue. I'm surprised that Kansas City or St. Louis hasn't made a push for a NBA team. Both cities had a team before and lost them.

There just isn't enough interest in Kansas City all the support is too fractured like City Hall and has too many personal agendas/politics/vendettas to organize into a single united front. St. Louis isn't a basketball town all they care about are the baseball Cardinals. They are similar to Green Bay in that they're not as big as they project. Population wise.

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Dreaming about the Bucks and Pacers and Clips are all kind of crazy to me. The NBA just blocked us from moving the Kings, a team that has been passed around like a bong at a frat party, from a city that is a broke garbage dump. Unless Milwaukee or Indianapolis (and their respective states) just throw up their hands and roll over, there is no way either of those teams get moved.

Hansen should have sued the NBA and forced them to guarantee expansion because at this point, the next path into the NBA for Seattle is probably coming up in about 2035.


You're wrong, actually. The NBA PREFERS markets like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Portland, etc. You know why? Becuase they're the ONLY professional dog in town. I respect your opinion, honest, just make sure its a correct one next time.

Kay, sweetcheeks?


Uh, did you quite mean to quote me? You seem to have gone off the rails there, son.

I agree with all of that, by the way. It's pretty clear that the NBA wants to be able to hold up these cities that only have one pro team for as much public money as possible. How that conflicts with what I was saying, I'm not sure, and honestly, I don't think you are sure about it either.

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Well, actually, the NBA will always be more willing to see the Bucks leave than SacTown, because the Bucks compete for pro sports dollars. The Kings are the only game in town.


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I can see why the Clippers would want to stay in the LA Market, but that would have to be a team that could consider selling to Hansen and not have a ton of blow-back. Don't know if the current Sterling is the same Donald Sterling who was a brunt of jokes on how badly he ran that team.

Since they share the Forum, it wouldn't be because of a building that they were leaving. Just some idle thoughts in my pea-brain.



Not to nick pick but its called Staples and its in downtown LA not Inglewood. Details??? Anywho, Sterling on his deathbed might make that deal and then burn the cash to deprive any offspring the lyxury because he's that big of a douche. Until that day comes the Clips are a big enough cash cow splitting TV revenue in that market that it will never happen. Especially while the Lakers are down.


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Well, actually, the NBA will always be more willing to see the Bucks leave than SacTown, because the Bucks compete for pro sports dollars. The Kings are the only game in town.


Milwaukee has the Bucks and Brewers. That's it. They are probably about the same level in the NBA's eyes except more entrenched as franchises anyway.

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You're splitting hairs, they also have the Packers.

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I don't quite agree with your take, pe. It's not that the NBA wants small markets because they are one horse towns. They want small markets that are one horse towns (because they're small markets) because those are the cities they can most hold hostage in exchange for huge public funds. You want to lose your only sports team? You want us to scar your civic pride a bit and head to a "real" city? Oh, we'll do it, bitches.

It's a horrible business model that I think is unsustainable. It's parasitic, which means moving from city to city, sucking up public money until they're sick of it, then moving onto the next. Eventually you'll run out of reasonable targets or they'll be enough cities say "hell no" that the NBA is going to lose a huge source of cash influx and foundation building (through gifting arenas). They'll have shaky reputations in big markets who make sense simply because of the money and audience in the market, and be stuck in the small towns that don't have the advertising revenues, the spending power, or local economics that can push money into their league through traditional, stable means.


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Well, Silver is thought of in circles to be a guy who's more for the big time cities as opposed to Stern who was down for the small markets they could bend over.

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Well, I think it's both. I believe the original intent leans my way.


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He's thought to be, but he's also definitely Stern's hand picked successor in a league that is still going to have Stern involved post-retirement. I refuse to get myself too optimistic about Silver beyond him not having the kind of spite for our city that Stern has.


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Well, I think it's both. I believe the original intent leans my way.

Original intent when?

If it's not about being able to leverage for public subsidy, then it doesn't really make sense. How much more money can you make uncontested in a small market than you can in a large one with other teams? I'd bet, overall, you make less. I really don't think the central idea is to run from competition. It's simply the lack of competition that gives them ultimate power of those smaller host cities. "The only game in town is leaving", etc. Seattle is a larger market than OKC by over 2.5x, obviously there were a lot of variables in that situation, but just comparing the two markets, I don't see anyway that OKC makes a more profitable destination based on lack of competition. It's all about the buildings.


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Well, Silver is thought of in circles to be a guy who's more for the big time cities as opposed to Stern who was down for the small markets they could bend over.

This. Exactly why I think relocation is the way we get a team also. Silver is all about the big markets, so why expand and keep the small markets when some are flailing? Silver might want to play a little musical chairs with Seattle rather expand.

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But then again I ask, which current owner is willing to make himself a villain to his home city/state like Schultz or the Maloofs? Do you really see Kohl or Jordan doing that? I kinda don't.


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I don't know if it'll be relocation or expansion, I do believe we will have a team in the next 2 years though.

Milwaukee isn't as easy as people are trying to make it seem, 6 year lease, owner is pretty adamant about not wanting the team to go to an out of towner. Charlotte is about to change their name back to the Hornets, they have a world class arena already, it might just be a case of the Bobcats brand not catching on.

Who else is there? We aren't getting the Pacers, and they aren't going to move a team from Atlanta to Seattle, Memphis just got a new owner who seems committed to to staying there, Minnesota already said no, I'm running out of teams that would be even remotely possible.

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I don't know if it'll be relocation or expansion, I do believe we will have a team in the next 2 years though.

Milwaukee isn't as easy as people are trying to make it seem, 6 year lease, owner is pretty adamant about not wanting the team to go to an out of towner. Charlotte is about to change their name back to the Hornets, they have a world class arena already, it might just be a case of the Bobcats brand not catching on.

Who else is there? We aren't getting the Pacers, and they aren't going to move a team from Atlanta to Seattle, Memphis just got a new owner who seems committed to to staying there, Minnesota already said no, I'm running out of teams that would be even remotely possible.

I think the Bucks lease buyout is less than 100 million, which isn't much for HBN. I mean they upped their bid 100 mil and offered 125 million relocation fee. A 100 million buyout is not going to deter HBN.

Now their owner did buy the Bucks in 85 in order to keep them in Milwaukee. BUT, if Chris Hansen comes to town and offers 525 million for a franchise valued at 312 million...that will get anyone to the table. I think it's the Bucks or the Bobcats. I don't care that they are changing their name, it won't work. They don't care about that team. Hell, they have so many better college basketball teams to watch in Carolina.

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You're splitting hairs, they also have the Packers.

C'mon, sugartits, keep up!


The Packers? A team two hours away from Milwaukee? This post of yours was somehow more terrible than the last.

Go home, you're drunk.

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You're splitting hairs, they also have the Packers.

C'mon, sugartits, keep up!


The Packers? A team two hours away from Milwaukee? This post of yours was somehow more terrible than the last.

Go home, you're drunk.

Wow 2 hours?? No one would ever drive that far to see an NFL game... :sarcasm_off:

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