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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.

Oh, there's plenty of hate for the local and state guys that were involved, but Let's not even pretend the situations were similar.
The Kings' struggles, the Maloofs' attempts to move, the need for a new arena and the inability of both sides to work out an arena plan have been out in the open for YEARS.
With the Sonics, 95% of the people never even knew there were issues until the sale to Bennett was announced out of the blue. (In fact, most of the team employees and minority owners didn't even find out until the actual press conference). The NBA's attitude that Seattle had built for the 'Hawks & M's and then shafted the Sonics was BS - the fact was the Sonics got their new building FIRST. Key Arena was only 10 old, the Sonics still had a long-term lease and there was still $40-$50M left for the team to pay off for construction. The NBA & Stern had praised the building as a model facility for other teams to follow.
Now, I'm not claiming Key Arena was perfect - it had legitimate problems (and the whole story of how the Key was a compromise b/c Ackerly couldn't build his planned 20K seat arena in SoDo adds an extra-depressing element to it). But the majority of The Key's issues were the NBA's own fault. They got their asses handed to them in the CBA/player lockout of the early 00's and suddenly their expenses sky-rocketed. Schultz never showed his books to prove he was losing $$ ... his Chief complaint seemed to be he wasn't making as much $ as everyone else.
Schultz & Stern went to Olympia ONCE. They walked into a climate where Boeing was threatening to leave the area, there was a massive battle going on about transit funding and replacing the viaduct, the State was in a Budget crisis and the national economy was starting to tank. They went in dicks-swinging and expected to cut to the front of the line. They also started off demanding the moon. Schultz never committed to front any of his own money, they wanted access to the taxes that had been specifically passed just for Qwest Field, and they wanted massive debt forgiveness.
And Olympia never told them "NO" - they instead told them that it sounded like an in-house problem and to at least put together a plan that included SOME of their own money. It's that seemingly reasonable response that made Stern so butt-hurt and things only escalated from there. The next move was the sale to Bennett and his demands for a 100% publicly funded $500M, which was obviously a con from the start.
Yeah, our leaders made mistakes, but fact is Stern was on the warpath from the beginning.
I don't know why Stern has his hatred-boner for us, but it's obviously existed even BEFORE the OKC heist. He started off playing hardball with our governments over a team that was still locked into a lease on a serviceable arena and few people had reason to believe was in trouble. He then acted shocked when everyone refused to kiss his ring.

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Coffees gross anyway


:shock: You take that back!

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.

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I don't know why Stern has his hatred-boner for us,.


I think this is my new favorite word. Thank you for that, I absolutely needed a laugh. Unfortunately, I don't see Seattle getting a team until Stern is 6 feet under. Once he's dead and gone and not wrapping his tentacles around everything to avoid Seattle, I see talks opening up again. Unfortunately for then, the market may have already been burned. Oh wells, I still have my memories.

Also, I can only stand coffee is a half a pound of sugar is bored into it. Have way to sweet of a tooth for me to be accepting of it.

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)

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Did anyone happen to catch what the Around the Horn guys had to say about Stern's OKC comments? Saw it at the bar and the sound was off...

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


To me the issue was the 95 remodel of Seattle Center. Plus the lease not being the type of lease that the NBA later figured all teams needed to make money with. Stern himself was shaking hands and kissing babies when the 95 remodel occurred, saying the arena was state of the art. Then 10 years later, after many folks felt the two other stadiums got forced upon them, it was going to be a hard sell to get people on board to build the Sonics a new arena. NBA was not happy.

Plus the fact that Ackerley and company chose a configuration to discourage the idea of sharing it with the NHL and the whole thing was just one calamity after another. Schultz couldn't get what he wanted, Stern was snubbed and away we go. Though many knew the endgame, Bennett was presented as willing to work with the locals prior to giving up on the region. It wasn't until after the fact that the Ballmers of the world tried to rally late. Relocation had already been approved before the rallying cry was on from what I remember.

I doubt Stern would have been an ally to stop relocation like he was with Sactown because our politicians didn't give him reason to. Bennett wasn't credible and was scorned here prior to filing for relocation but the league could see it was poisonous by the time they allowed him out. Of course he helped along the fight but that is for another day.

Yep, the governor, city council, mayor and state legislature all helped make it a layup to get the team out of town. They all can take a leap but most are gone except for a few major dickheads.


I think you're spot on, Doc - and we're on the same wavelength.

The only difference is I always feel the need to stick up for Ackerly, because I think he gets an unfair share of the blame for The Key (and it's also the main reason I'm worried about the current MOU until shovels are actually in the ground). Ackerly never wanted to shut the door on the NHL - he was forced into it. He originally owned the land where Safeco now sits and had plans for a 20K seat true multi-purpose arena. He worked on it for years and was willing to front the majority of $. The public portion was going to fine from parking garages he built and then leased to the city and shared the revenue from on game days. He wanted the NHL to be a future tenant. He also wanted the city to sign a "non-compete" agreement for the old Coliseum to help ensure the profitability of his arena by getting first crack at all the concert/convention revenue.

Ackerly had the support of the Mayor (IIRC, it was Norm Rice at the time) and I don't know if he had the equivalent of an MOU, bit he had signed agreements with City Council and was into the permitting process.

Political pressure from some of the Council ultimately killed the deal. The opposition mainly came from the fear that losing the Sonics would have too big ab negative impact on Lower Queen Anne and the City's ability to operate Seattle Center (ironic, isn't it?) They buried Ackerly in red-tape until he realized he wasn't going to get the deal done.

To Ackerly's credit he never played hardball, never threatened to move or sell, and he felt so strongly that the Sonics belonged in Seattle proper that he ultimately turned down overtures from Bellevue. (And he really had been stuck in a sub par building for a long time - the Sonics had a RAIN OUT game, the roof leaked so bad.) He then worked out the compromised remodel of the Coliseum into The Key.

The anti-NHL configuration was a choice that was begrudgingly made because of the physical limitations of the Coliseum and the footprint of the main pyramid support columns. In order to add the Suite level and still keep it at the 18K seat size, they had to lower the floor so much that the NHL ice would no longer fit. Any other plan would've required a complete tear-down and made the construction costs too high and the project never would've penciled out or got approval from the City.

The sacrifices that were made to keep the Sonics playing at Seattle Center eventually caused them to leave town entirely. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


To me the issue was the 95 remodel of Seattle Center. Plus the lease not being the type of lease that the NBA later figured all teams needed to make money with. Stern himself was shaking hands and kissing babies when the 95 remodel occurred, saying the arena was state of the art. Then 10 years later, after many folks felt the two other stadiums got forced upon them, it was going to be a hard sell to get people on board to build the Sonics a new arena. NBA was not happy.

Plus the fact that Ackerley and company chose a configuration to discourage the idea of sharing it with the NHL and the whole thing was just one calamity after another. Schultz couldn't get what he wanted, Stern was snubbed and away we go. Though many knew the endgame, Bennett was presented as willing to work with the locals prior to giving up on the region. It wasn't until after the fact that the Ballmers of the world tried to rally late. Relocation had already been approved before the rallying cry was on from what I remember.

I doubt Stern would have been an ally to stop relocation like he was with Sactown because our politicians didn't give him reason to. Bennett wasn't credible and was scorned here prior to filing for relocation but the league could see it was poisonous by the time they allowed him out. Of course he helped along the fight but that is for another day.

Yep, the governor, city council, mayor and state legislature all helped make it a layup to get the team out of town. They all can take a leap but most are gone except for a few major dickheads.

Pretty much. And the one other thing is the Key Arena footprint is just too small to have the luxury boxes that generate needed revenue - so a whole new arena was needed, and it was only ten years after we paid for the remo, and like you said the good folks of Seattle were not about to pop for a third stadium right after the other two.

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Thanks Ved for the Ackerley insights. Didn't realize the extent of BS he had to endure. Shows him in a different light. Mid-90s I was in a funk and missed out on following the teams as closely as I once did. Always thought he tanked the Center because of the NHL and after reading about how his Son left the other Seattle NHL folks hanging when they did that presentation before the NHL BoG.

Helps complete the picture for me. Thanks!

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I gotta say one thing... for all that the actual building at Key area is old, small, weird and just doesn't work for a big time pro sports league, I always found the area around the Key to be hella fun to mill about in before and after games. There was always something going on; not always "normal", but usually pretty entertaining. SoDo is cool in it's own right, but Seattle Center is a different kind of cool and as a regular "sports tourist" I kinda appreciated the difference.

That being said, screw it. Get the new arena built and bring the Sonics home asap.

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I had a couple $8 Wienies and almost tumbled down those steep stairs in the upper bowl, and also screamed saliva drunkenly into the yuppie's head in front of me - really penetrated wetly into his ultra-normal haircut. The lower Queen Anne bars were pretty lively after a game.

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)


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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)


That explains a lot actually...


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"There are speed bumps and there are roadblocks. This week was a speed bump. Thank you for your continued support. The Sonics will be back!"


I'll hoist a hot chocolate to that! Might need to Irish that sumbitch up a little first though...

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"There are speed bumps and there are roadblocks. This week was a speed bump. Thank you for your continued support. The Sonics will be back!"


And ya'll ready to give up??????

Gimmie a break, I know yesterday was rough, but as long as our guys are in on this, I am too.

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Per the SacBee, the Maloofs and the Sac group have reached a deal to sell the Kings at the amount of 535 million dollars. Game, set and match. No NBA for us for a LONG LONG time if ever.

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Per the SacBee, the Maloofs and the Sac group have reached a deal to sell the Kings at the amount of 535 million dollars. Game, set and match. No NBA for us for a LONG LONG time if ever.


Watch, after a couple of years of not being able to get an arena deal and a floundering market, they split for San Jose. Apparently it's what Hansen should have done all along.

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That doesn't mean the NBA is dead to us for a long time there Blitz


I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

If you were sitting there worrying about the Kings still, you're worrying about the wrong things.


No, I just worry about everything.....even things that someone shouldn't worry about.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

If you were sitting there worrying about the Kings still, you're worrying about the wrong things.

Mayoral elections happening in November, MOU is not binding, it can be squashed

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So what happens to that non refundable 30 million dollars? I took that as the Seattle group would lose it if they backed out of the deal but if the Maloofs are then they should have to give it back. Seems a bit unfair but nothing with this has been fair.

30 million dollars is still a lo of money to piss away.

And if the Seattle group is being completely squeezed out now then screw it and start the lawsuits because of the binding agreements.

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Can I say again that some of you are the sorriest pussies I've ever seen?

Chris is going to get us a team, period.

Also, want to thank our visitors from Sacramento for just letting me enjoy Sacramento's inevitable collapse as an extremely entertaining sideshow for the next couple of years. I might be a spiteful man, but I'm going to feed off of the misery of your little hole in the Earth.


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Can I say again that some of you are the sorriest pussies I've ever seen?

Chris is going to get us a team, period.

Also, want to thank our visitors from Sacramento for just letting me enjoy Sacramento's inevitable collapse as an extremely entertaining sideshow for the next couple of years. I might be a spiteful man, but I'm going to feed off of the misery of your little hole in the Earth.



Are you talking about my post? I was just asking a question.

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Can I say again that some of you are the sorriest pussies I've ever seen?

Chris is going to get us a team, period.

Also, want to thank our visitors from Sacramento for just letting me enjoy Sacramento's inevitable collapse as an extremely entertaining sideshow for the next couple of years. I might be a spiteful man, but I'm going to feed off of the misery of your little hole in the Earth.



Are you talking about my post? I was just asking a question.

Nope. Just a general post for the absolute defeatists who think this is the end of everything. If Chris marches on, so do I. I believe in this guy, I believe in the Sonics, I believe in this state of the art building. It's going to happen, and the last thing we need is a bunch of people jumping off the train, but if they do, I'd really rather you stay off when Chris delivers.

Lawsuits aren't looking like they'll happen, but I don't consider the prospect as a pussy move, it's fighting on in another way.


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Can I say again that some of you are the sorriest pussies I've ever seen?

Chris is going to get us a team, period.

Also, want to thank our visitors from Sacramento for just letting me enjoy Sacramento's inevitable collapse as an extremely entertaining sideshow for the next couple of years. I might be a spiteful man, but I'm going to feed off of the misery of your little hole in the Earth.



Are you talking about my post? I was just asking a question.

Nope. Just a general post for the absolute defeatists who think this is the end of everything. If Chris marches on, so do I. I believe in this guy, I believe in the Sonics, I believe in this state of the art building. It's going to happen, and the last thing we need is a bunch of people jumping off the train, but if they do, I'd really rather you stay off when Chris delivers.

Lawsuits aren't looking like they'll happen, but I don't consider the prospect as a pussy move, it's fighting on in another way.



Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't give up yet. but that's not easy since we haven't had a single good thing go our way since they announced the sonics were sold. And David stern is a evil bitter old man with an obvious grudge against Seattle.

But I will continue my boycott of the nba until we get another team.

I still have faith in the Seattle group. Just not much in the nba.

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Not a single good thing?

We had a very wealthy investment group come out with their passion project to bring the NBA back to Seattle.

We had our very difficult local political system go along with and endorse a plan for a state of the art, envelope pushing building (while Sacramento is getting some generic cookie cutter building).

We've had more victories than defeats with the Hansen group so far, and I find it hard to believe he just let go of all leverage he had in this situation for no reason. This guy offers concessions, but he gets to where he wants to be.


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I don't see anything about the 7 percent in bankruptsy or the 20 percent that they were going to buy. All is quiet concerning this except the optimistic snippets from the sonicrising site thats been posted.

Coming away with nothing at all and no real big media splash after tells me that either Hansen has conceeded and is licking his teams wounds, or there is something else in the works that can't be let out of the bag. Losing something that has been so visable and talked about and not really having any major conference or retort about the sale to Sacramento just doesn't seem typical after the heavy commentary and aggressive action leading up to the meeting and the sale today.

This especially on the heals of Sterns opening statement that could only be taken as a shot which I doubt gets by Balmer or Hansen as a oopsie.

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I'm talking about from the nba, it's awesome we have this group from Seattle wanting to do anything to bring a team here. I meant the nba who has used us as its biatch to scare other teams into caving into arena demands.

Do I think we'll eventually get a team? Probably but I'm just a little worn own right now after being repeadly kicked in the teeth by the nba.

People need a little time to be upset and vent before they relax a bit and start to think about the big picture. So I wouldn't read too much into the bitter comments right now. :)

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From what I can tell the 20% is over with. The Maloofs are selling to Vivek. The 7% is still in play, and no bidders stepped up besides Hansen. He could very well still buy that piece of the team.

I don't now if anybody was listening to Mitch at around 7:30am or so, but he brought up that the Seattle group was told that they'd need to commit to a timeline for an arena, and that if certain benchmarks were not met, the team would be sold back to the NBA, the Seattle group said hell to the no. I'm betting that the Sacramento group said "yes please stick it in whatever hole you want". I highly doubt the Kings are playing in Sacramento in 10 years, I doubt even more so that they're playing in an arena at the Downtown Plaza site. The current deal is absolute trash. Hansen may be waiting in the wings, watching this deal fall apart, and perhaps buying the team at that point or watching Vivek move the team elsewhere, who knows. Either way, I'm convinced that the Sacramento group have a very shaky deal based on what the NBA has requested. So either Sac loses the team or they bankrupt their city funding the only source of civic pride....because that city has literally zero to offer otherwise.


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Forgive me for not reading all of this, been out of town dealing with a death in the family but in reading some of your responses, i am disappointed. We got FUCKED. No two ways about it and some of you are seriously seeing what you want to see. Stern imposed his will and capitalism lost. Lets call this what it is, Seattle got bent over... Period.

Edit: and why should H/B/N even consider another go at this. The better plan lost. Good business is not the goal. Invest in something that makes money.

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RT @ChrisMannixSI Sources also say that hedge fund manager Chris Hansen will not file any lawsuits in relation 2 the Kings/Seattle situation

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As of late last night, I was told the Sea group was still "bargaining" with NBA. For what I don't know Could explain last tweets from Mannix

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Can I say again that some of you are the sorriest pussies I've ever seen?

Chris is going to get us a team, period.

Also, want to thank our visitors from Sacramento for just letting me enjoy Sacramento's inevitable collapse as an extremely entertaining sideshow for the next couple of years. I might be a spiteful man, but I'm going to feed off of the misery of your little hole in the Earth.

This...


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RT @ChrisMannixSI Sources also say that hedge fund manager Chris Hansen will not file any lawsuits in relation 2 the Kings/Seattle situation

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League sources say owners offered to pay Hansen-Ballmer group the $30 million non-refundable deposit they paid the Maloofs. They declined

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As of late last night, I was told the Sea group was still "bargaining" with NBA. For what I don't know Could explain last tweets from Mannix

from Softy's twitter

Hope this bargaining leads to an expansion in the next few years


All of this makes a whole lot of sense in light of what Tim Montemayor shared ...
http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=68646

Very expected, actually.


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RT @ChrisMannixSI Sources also say that hedge fund manager Chris Hansen will not file any lawsuits in relation 2 the Kings/Seattle situation

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League sources say owners offered to pay Hansen-Ballmer group the $30 million non-refundable deposit they paid the Maloofs. They declined

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As of late last night, I was told the Sea group was still "bargaining" with NBA. For what I don't know Could explain last tweets from Mannix

from Softy's twitter

Hope this bargaining leads to an expansion in the next few years

Very cool of the owners. Im sure it was Allen, Cuban, and some of the other good guys in the NBA.


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From everything I've read it sounds like the owners were in Hansen's corner going into the vote but Stern did some "arm twisting" and got them to vote against. Supposedly Stern was extremely active during the vote.

F that guy.

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WOW, Puckett just tweeted out that the Sac group consists of 35 owners! RIDICULOUS! Nice job NBA...really nice job

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WOW, Puckett just tweeted out that the Sac group consists of 35 owners! RIDICULOUS! Nice job NBA...really nice job


Yeah, I'm one of the owners. I just bought a 1/35th share of the Kings off eBay for a hundo.

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WOW, Puckett just tweeted out that the Sac group consists of 35 owners! RIDICULOUS! Nice job NBA...really nice job


Yeah, I'm one of the owners. I just bought a 1/35th share of the Kings off eBay for a hundo.

A hundo? I bet Vivek and KJ sat at their computers clicking away to up the bid to get it that high

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WOW, Puckett just tweeted out that the Sac group consists of 35 owners! RIDICULOUS! Nice job NBA...really nice job


Yeah, I'm one of the owners. I just bought a 1/35th share of the Kings off eBay for a hundo.

A hundo? I bet Vivek and KJ sat at their computers clicking away to up the bid to get it that high


Yeah, it's worth it though. I'm in the club now, so I'm going to buy the Lakers and move them to Vancouver in a few years... :th2thumbs:

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Didn't Schultz's group have 20 something owners?

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