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 Post Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:52 am 
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I'm still stuck between waiting for expansion and wanting to see HBN go nuclear over the Kings.
Just the cynical side of me, I guess. I've seen too many big projects in Seattle get blown up to be confident that the MOU will survive the full 5 years. And I can't take anything the NBA says about expansion seriously without something TANGIBLE in writing - until then, it's just too easy to dismiss as the NBA's attempt to keep HBN on the hook so they can just use is as leverage in the next city.
Because the more I've thought about it, the more I've realized that the ONLY valid reason the NBA has for not officially granting us expansion yesterday is because they still need us as leverage to make the Kings deal come together.
The TV deal by itself is a lame excuse, because think about the timeline - it's going to take 1-2 years to get the arena built. HBN needs the guarantee of the team as soon possible to start building so that they're ready to start play when the new deal goes into effect. And if there really ate going to be 31 teams, the NBA is going to want to show that as a fact when they start negotiations with the networks, because it will justify a higher asking price.
IMO, it makes the potential sale of the 20% a big-time show of faith - and that's probably why Hansen still wants to go through with it, as a way to hedge his bets and a test to see if the NBA truly means what they say about expansion.

Still a lot of shoes left to drop over the next few days.


I love reading your stuff because you an always put it more succinctly than I ever could. I'm still pissed, but I want to see if the NBA is legitimate in their desire to expand via them talking about the TV deals earlier. It'll be interesting to see what Hansen does at this point.

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@kcrabienick: Just spoke with George Maloof at airport in Phoenix. Says he believes deal will be reached with Ranadive.


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@kcrabienick: Maloof says Hansen still interested in buying stake of #nbakings. Says that's part of talks.


Sounds like Hansen might be forcing his way into the NBA's "club" and I love it. Maloofs still standing by Hansen which is great. This thing is not over. Not by a long shot.


You can't honestly believe that the NBA is going to approve a sale of 20% to Hansen at this point with the Maloofs still in charge? No way that happens.

THe only way I can see Hansen getting 20% is if he is in the Ranadive group. which would be really weird, but hey, it gets him in the "club" right?


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@kcrabienick: Just spoke with George Maloof at airport in Phoenix. Says he believes deal will be reached with Ranadive.


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@kcrabienick: Maloof says Hansen still interested in buying stake of #nbakings. Says that's part of talks.


Sounds like Hansen might be forcing his way into the NBA's "club" and I love it. Maloofs still standing by Hansen which is great. This thing is not over. Not by a long shot.


You can't honestly believe that the NBA is going to approve a sale of 20% to Hansen at this point with the Maloofs still in charge? No way that happens.

THe only way I can see Hansen getting 20% is if he is in the Ranadive group. which would be really weird, but hey, it gets him in the "club" right?


That's what I'm wondering. Maybe he's trying to get an in to work some of the owners for Seattle's favor down the line. It would be weird, but if he feels thats what it would take to get the team I could see it.

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Maybe Hansen does a favor in Sac for the NBA like Bennett did for them when he got OKC to host the Hornets after Katrina?

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.

Who says we don't hate those "leaders"? Again if you're not a fan then you don't understand. Don't tell us how to feel

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.

Yep, like him or not KJ played this nearly perfectly.

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if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone?


Try? They approved Hansen's arena deal right? I know its 5 years later and a lot of different politicians. But I think it shows with the right leadership from the sports/private sector side, and a good arena deal, things can get done.

At the time, the city, county and state were not going to just give away 600 million of public money for some new billionaire in town demanding it.

So I'm not sure what you mean by 'try'.

I'll add to this, I don't think its the city's job to cater to these sports owners, its not the city's job to build their arena's for them. It's not the city's job to plan it all for the sports ownership.

Do they need to help when approached with a good plan that they will benefit from? Sure. So I guess I don't place too much blame on the Sonics leaving on the local politicians as most people do. I want them and our taxes focused on the important things, infrastructure, police, fire dep. etc. My blame mostly falls on Schultz and Bennett.

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I thought that after this last rejection I would be to ticked to even care about basketball and I would just want revenge on the nba for breaking my heart a second time. Oddly enough though, I am left still wanting a team back more than ever. Maybe it is because of Chris Hansen who I belive will get it done somehow.


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At least the nation understands how F'd it is.


Lots of national media types were talking about it on twitter too, how classless it was, so unnecessary.

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I'm just gonna leave this here, I put this in a PM to another poster who's in freak out mode. Some might not want to read or hear it, but I"m posting it anyway because this thing isn't over, Seattle will get an NBA franchise.

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I look at it differently, you didn't see they started their TV deal talks already? The NBA wants us back, its just Sacramento did enough, fair enough for me. I personally like that, it means the NBA has learned from its fuck ups in Seattle & Vancouver and now incumbent cities now get a fair shake, I think us in Seattle just now learned how the NBA works with things like this NOW.

Stern will always be the villain here, and its because of the way things went down from 2006-08, and I think he's fine with that. But this new commissioner in waiting, Adam Silver sounds like he wants to be the guy to bring the NBA back to Seattle and be Seattle's hero along side Hansen and the gang (IMO).

Don't give up just cuz we took an L, bro! Our day is coming, and I personally believe its coming later this year when the the TV negotiations are complete. They aren't going into these negotiations without Seattle in them, believe that! TV Negotiations are just the first step to bringing about expansion.


inb4 Blitzer's says his usually "I DON'T KNOW MANNN" stuff.


I want to get behind this at this point and time, but I just can't. I don't see the NBA coming, if ever for a very long time all the while the deal/arena plan that H/B/N developed will go by the way-side. Can dangit.....I can't wait any longer for an NBA team, I want one now and Stern ruined that for me!

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I'm just gonna leave this here, I put this in a PM to another poster who's in freak out mode. Some might not want to read or hear it, but I"m posting it anyway because this thing isn't over, Seattle will get an NBA franchise.

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I look at it differently, you didn't see they started their TV deal talks already? The NBA wants us back, its just Sacramento did enough, fair enough for me. I personally like that, it means the NBA has learned from its fuck ups in Seattle & Vancouver and now incumbent cities now get a fair shake, I think us in Seattle just now learned how the NBA works with things like this NOW.

Stern will always be the villain here, and its because of the way things went down from 2006-08, and I think he's fine with that. But this new commissioner in waiting, Adam Silver sounds like he wants to be the guy to bring the NBA back to Seattle and be Seattle's hero along side Hansen and the gang (IMO).

Don't give up just cuz we took an L, bro! Our day is coming, and I personally believe its coming later this year when the the TV negotiations are complete. They aren't going into these negotiations without Seattle in them, believe that! TV Negotiations are just the first step to bringing about expansion.


inb4 Blitzer's says his usually "I DON'T KNOW MANNN" stuff.


I want to get behind this at this point and time, but I just can't. I don't see the NBA coming, if ever for a very long time all the while the deal/arena plan that H/B/N developed will go by the way-side. Can dangit.....I can't wait any longer for an NBA team, I want one now and Stern ruined that for me!


I don't see it happening either, which is why I'm all for the nuking option. But if expansion actually is an option and they are fast tracking the TV talks for a reason, sure. I'm game. I can wait a couple of years for a team, as long as it is guaranteed. The Sacramento plan is going to blow up in the NBA's faces, and I am going to laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.

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Hello there Seattle.

How are you today? I'm sure you know by now and oh boy do your tears taste delicious. A little too salty though. I can see why, not only did you get chosen over by a superior market, but you have that constantly depressing weather up there to go along with the aura of mediocrity known as the city of Seattle. A town full of nothing but failure. So sad. Clearly the NBA sees the far superior value in California over Washington. California is superior in every possible category, and it isn't even remotely close. There's also the fact that we constantly dominate you in sports year after year. I'd be angry too.

Support your other teams so the same doesn't happen again. The saying is so true, silence is golden isn't it?

Suck it sore losers!

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Don't you get what this is? This dude is 5"1', bald at twenty-five, pays 300' dominatrixes to bellow insults at him while using whips to "punish" him for being a "bad little boy". With this "shots fired" post he has bent over and pulled his butt-cheeks apart and Vasolined up awaiting the gang-bang. Now I'm tellin ya'll--you want to be stayin the f away from THAT mess. Just leave it alone and the Bad Little Boy will go off and find some dominatrix-chubber porn to have a limp spasm to and leave us the f alone.

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.

Believe me there was plenty of hate for local civic leaders when the Sonics moved, but those guys aren't around anymore. 2) Once Stern's boofoo buddy Bennet got the Sonics it was all over - the arena plan was a total gouge that never would've been approved by local gov, which was Bennet's intention.

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Well hey if it takes another year or two for an expansion team Durant will be that much closer to being a free agent... :pray:

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


To me the issue was the 95 remodel of Seattle Center. Plus the lease not being the type of lease that the NBA later figured all teams needed to make money with. Stern himself was shaking hands and kissing babies when the 95 remodel occurred, saying the arena was state of the art. Then 10 years later, after many folks felt the two other stadiums got forced upon them, it was going to be a hard sell to get people on board to build the Sonics a new arena. NBA was not happy.

Plus the fact that Ackerley and company chose a configuration to discourage the idea of sharing it with the NHL and the whole thing was just one calamity after another. Schultz couldn't get what he wanted, Stern was snubbed and away we go. Though many knew the endgame, Bennett was presented as willing to work with the locals prior to giving up on the region. It wasn't until after the fact that the Ballmers of the world tried to rally late. Relocation had already been approved before the rallying cry was on from what I remember.

I doubt Stern would have been an ally to stop relocation like he was with Sactown because our politicians didn't give him reason to. Bennett wasn't credible and was scorned here prior to filing for relocation but the league could see it was poisonous by the time they allowed him out. Of course he helped along the fight but that is for another day.

Yep, the governor, city council, mayor and state legislature all helped make it a layup to get the team out of town. They all can take a leap but most are gone except for a few major dickheads.

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Stern and Bennett are good friends. Bennett came to the leagues aid by hosting the NO Hornets after Katrina

Stern is a human being (believe it or not) when a good friend of yours asks you for a favor you don't say no, especially when you make the favor at the cost of an enemy (seattle gov).

Clay Bennett was 100% guaranteed the next team available, if Schultz didn't sell it could have been SAC or MIL or NO

This is all Howard Schultz fault, no one on this forum should ever be caught drinking that Starbucks shit. go look at some boobies at a coffee stand. DO NOT SUPPORT SCHULTZ.

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Stern and Bennett are good friends. Bennett came to the leagues aid by hosting the NO Hornets after Katrina

Stern is a human being (believe it or not) when a good friend of yours asks you for a favor you don't say no, especially when you make the favor at the cost of an enemy (seattle gov).

Clay Bennett was 100% guaranteed the next team available, if Schultz didn't sell it could have been SAC or MIL or NO

This is all Howard Schultz fault, no one on this forum should ever be caught drinking that Starbucks shit. Go to Seattle's best or go look at some boobies at a coffee stand. DO NOT SUPPORT SCHULTZ.


Doesn't Starsux own Seattle's Best? Sometimes I get confused. Either way your point is spot on!


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Doesn't Starsux own Seattle's Best? Sometimes I get confused. Either way your point is spot on!


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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.

Oh, there's plenty of hate for the local and state guys that were involved, but Let's not even pretend the situations were similar.
The Kings' struggles, the Maloofs' attempts to move, the need for a new arena and the inability of both sides to work out an arena plan have been out in the open for YEARS.
With the Sonics, 95% of the people never even knew there were issues until the sale to Bennett was announced out of the blue. (In fact, most of the team employees and minority owners didn't even find out until the actual press conference). The NBA's attitude that Seattle had built for the 'Hawks & M's and then shafted the Sonics was BS - the fact was the Sonics got their new building FIRST. Key Arena was only 10 old, the Sonics still had a long-term lease and there was still $40-$50M left for the team to pay off for construction. The NBA & Stern had praised the building as a model facility for other teams to follow.
Now, I'm not claiming Key Arena was perfect - it had legitimate problems (and the whole story of how the Key was a compromise b/c Ackerly couldn't build his planned 20K seat arena in SoDo adds an extra-depressing element to it). But the majority of The Key's issues were the NBA's own fault. They got their asses handed to them in the CBA/player lockout of the early 00's and suddenly their expenses sky-rocketed. Schultz never showed his books to prove he was losing $$ ... his Chief complaint seemed to be he wasn't making as much $ as everyone else.
Schultz & Stern went to Olympia ONCE. They walked into a climate where Boeing was threatening to leave the area, there was a massive battle going on about transit funding and replacing the viaduct, the State was in a Budget crisis and the national economy was starting to tank. They went in dicks-swinging and expected to cut to the front of the line. They also started off demanding the moon. Schultz never committed to front any of his own money, they wanted access to the taxes that had been specifically passed just for Qwest Field, and they wanted massive debt forgiveness.
And Olympia never told them "NO" - they instead told them that it sounded like an in-house problem and to at least put together a plan that included SOME of their own money. It's that seemingly reasonable response that made Stern so butt-hurt and things only escalated from there. The next move was the sale to Bennett and his demands for a 100% publicly funded $500M, which was obviously a con from the start.
Yeah, our leaders made mistakes, but fact is Stern was on the warpath from the beginning.
I don't know why Stern has his hatred-boner for us, but it's obviously existed even BEFORE the OKC heist. He started off playing hardball with our governments over a team that was still locked into a lease on a serviceable arena and few people had reason to believe was in trouble. He then acted shocked when everyone refused to kiss his ring.

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:shock: You take that back!

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.

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I don't know why Stern has his hatred-boner for us,.


I think this is my new favorite word. Thank you for that, I absolutely needed a laugh. Unfortunately, I don't see Seattle getting a team until Stern is 6 feet under. Once he's dead and gone and not wrapping his tentacles around everything to avoid Seattle, I see talks opening up again. Unfortunately for then, the market may have already been burned. Oh wells, I still have my memories.

Also, I can only stand coffee is a half a pound of sugar is bored into it. Have way to sweet of a tooth for me to be accepting of it.

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Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)

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Did anyone happen to catch what the Around the Horn guys had to say about Stern's OKC comments? Saw it at the bar and the sound was off...

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


To me the issue was the 95 remodel of Seattle Center. Plus the lease not being the type of lease that the NBA later figured all teams needed to make money with. Stern himself was shaking hands and kissing babies when the 95 remodel occurred, saying the arena was state of the art. Then 10 years later, after many folks felt the two other stadiums got forced upon them, it was going to be a hard sell to get people on board to build the Sonics a new arena. NBA was not happy.

Plus the fact that Ackerley and company chose a configuration to discourage the idea of sharing it with the NHL and the whole thing was just one calamity after another. Schultz couldn't get what he wanted, Stern was snubbed and away we go. Though many knew the endgame, Bennett was presented as willing to work with the locals prior to giving up on the region. It wasn't until after the fact that the Ballmers of the world tried to rally late. Relocation had already been approved before the rallying cry was on from what I remember.

I doubt Stern would have been an ally to stop relocation like he was with Sactown because our politicians didn't give him reason to. Bennett wasn't credible and was scorned here prior to filing for relocation but the league could see it was poisonous by the time they allowed him out. Of course he helped along the fight but that is for another day.

Yep, the governor, city council, mayor and state legislature all helped make it a layup to get the team out of town. They all can take a leap but most are gone except for a few major dickheads.


I think you're spot on, Doc - and we're on the same wavelength.

The only difference is I always feel the need to stick up for Ackerly, because I think he gets an unfair share of the blame for The Key (and it's also the main reason I'm worried about the current MOU until shovels are actually in the ground). Ackerly never wanted to shut the door on the NHL - he was forced into it. He originally owned the land where Safeco now sits and had plans for a 20K seat true multi-purpose arena. He worked on it for years and was willing to front the majority of $. The public portion was going to fine from parking garages he built and then leased to the city and shared the revenue from on game days. He wanted the NHL to be a future tenant. He also wanted the city to sign a "non-compete" agreement for the old Coliseum to help ensure the profitability of his arena by getting first crack at all the concert/convention revenue.

Ackerly had the support of the Mayor (IIRC, it was Norm Rice at the time) and I don't know if he had the equivalent of an MOU, bit he had signed agreements with City Council and was into the permitting process.

Political pressure from some of the Council ultimately killed the deal. The opposition mainly came from the fear that losing the Sonics would have too big ab negative impact on Lower Queen Anne and the City's ability to operate Seattle Center (ironic, isn't it?) They buried Ackerly in red-tape until he realized he wasn't going to get the deal done.

To Ackerly's credit he never played hardball, never threatened to move or sell, and he felt so strongly that the Sonics belonged in Seattle proper that he ultimately turned down overtures from Bellevue. (And he really had been stuck in a sub par building for a long time - the Sonics had a RAIN OUT game, the roof leaked so bad.) He then worked out the compromised remodel of the Coliseum into The Key.

The anti-NHL configuration was a choice that was begrudgingly made because of the physical limitations of the Coliseum and the footprint of the main pyramid support columns. In order to add the Suite level and still keep it at the 18K seat size, they had to lower the floor so much that the NHL ice would no longer fit. Any other plan would've required a complete tear-down and made the construction costs too high and the project never would've penciled out or got approval from the City.

The sacrifices that were made to keep the Sonics playing at Seattle Center eventually caused them to leave town entirely. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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I understand the hate for Stern, he's a king douche bag, but why no hate for your own civic leaders in Olympia and Seattle who pretty much kicked Stern in the ass? You have to ask yourself, if only our local guys would have just shown they would try would the Sonics be gone? Right now I would bet good money Stern wouldn't have let the Sonics move had they just tried a little bit, hell the Sac group has an agreement for a new Arena that is as stable as RGIII ACL, and we offered at least double what the Kings are worth, and they aren't moving.


To me the issue was the 95 remodel of Seattle Center. Plus the lease not being the type of lease that the NBA later figured all teams needed to make money with. Stern himself was shaking hands and kissing babies when the 95 remodel occurred, saying the arena was state of the art. Then 10 years later, after many folks felt the two other stadiums got forced upon them, it was going to be a hard sell to get people on board to build the Sonics a new arena. NBA was not happy.

Plus the fact that Ackerley and company chose a configuration to discourage the idea of sharing it with the NHL and the whole thing was just one calamity after another. Schultz couldn't get what he wanted, Stern was snubbed and away we go. Though many knew the endgame, Bennett was presented as willing to work with the locals prior to giving up on the region. It wasn't until after the fact that the Ballmers of the world tried to rally late. Relocation had already been approved before the rallying cry was on from what I remember.

I doubt Stern would have been an ally to stop relocation like he was with Sactown because our politicians didn't give him reason to. Bennett wasn't credible and was scorned here prior to filing for relocation but the league could see it was poisonous by the time they allowed him out. Of course he helped along the fight but that is for another day.

Yep, the governor, city council, mayor and state legislature all helped make it a layup to get the team out of town. They all can take a leap but most are gone except for a few major dickheads.

Pretty much. And the one other thing is the Key Arena footprint is just too small to have the luxury boxes that generate needed revenue - so a whole new arena was needed, and it was only ten years after we paid for the remo, and like you said the good folks of Seattle were not about to pop for a third stadium right after the other two.

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Thanks Ved for the Ackerley insights. Didn't realize the extent of BS he had to endure. Shows him in a different light. Mid-90s I was in a funk and missed out on following the teams as closely as I once did. Always thought he tanked the Center because of the NHL and after reading about how his Son left the other Seattle NHL folks hanging when they did that presentation before the NHL BoG.

Helps complete the picture for me. Thanks!

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I gotta say one thing... for all that the actual building at Key area is old, small, weird and just doesn't work for a big time pro sports league, I always found the area around the Key to be hella fun to mill about in before and after games. There was always something going on; not always "normal", but usually pretty entertaining. SoDo is cool in it's own right, but Seattle Center is a different kind of cool and as a regular "sports tourist" I kinda appreciated the difference.

That being said, screw it. Get the new arena built and bring the Sonics home asap.

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I had a couple $8 Wienies and almost tumbled down those steep stairs in the upper bowl, and also screamed saliva drunkenly into the yuppie's head in front of me - really penetrated wetly into his ultra-normal haircut. The lower Queen Anne bars were pretty lively after a game.

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)


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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)

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Coffees gross anyway, and yes we blame everyone!

Everyone can be lined up in the line, screw them all, may they starve to death instead of those poor kids in Africa.


Agreed, coffee is disgusting, I'm more of a hot chocolate man myself.


Hot chocolate? :roll: Clearly you are 11 years old and a girl. ;)


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"There are speed bumps and there are roadblocks. This week was a speed bump. Thank you for your continued support. The Sonics will be back!"


I'll hoist a hot chocolate to that! Might need to Irish that sumbitch up a little first though...

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"There are speed bumps and there are roadblocks. This week was a speed bump. Thank you for your continued support. The Sonics will be back!"


And ya'll ready to give up??????

Gimmie a break, I know yesterday was rough, but as long as our guys are in on this, I am too.

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Per the SacBee, the Maloofs and the Sac group have reached a deal to sell the Kings at the amount of 535 million dollars. Game, set and match. No NBA for us for a LONG LONG time if ever.

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Per the SacBee, the Maloofs and the Sac group have reached a deal to sell the Kings at the amount of 535 million dollars. Game, set and match. No NBA for us for a LONG LONG time if ever.


Watch, after a couple of years of not being able to get an arena deal and a floundering market, they split for San Jose. Apparently it's what Hansen should have done all along.

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That doesn't mean the NBA is dead to us for a long time there Blitz


I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

If you were sitting there worrying about the Kings still, you're worrying about the wrong things.


No, I just worry about everything.....even things that someone shouldn't worry about.

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I don't want to wait 10-15 years to get another NBA team. And "IF" we do get expansion I think that is the earliest we can possibly get one. Silver is just Stern 2.0.


MOU is only good for 5 years, the NBA knows this, 10-15 years is unrealistic, bruh.

If you were sitting there worrying about the Kings still, you're worrying about the wrong things.

Mayoral elections happening in November, MOU is not binding, it can be squashed

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