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In a statement issued on his Sonics Arena website, Hansen described the move to raise his bid as “an effort to further demonstrate the extent of our commitment to bring basketball back to Seattle.”


He's more than made it clear that he's playing by the rules that the NBA provided and he's basically daring them to make Stern a liar. Stern himself said that they don't tell owners who to sell to.

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“...an effort to further demonstrate the extent of our commitment to bring basketball back to Seattle.” Hmm. Essentially, "this is an effort to further demonstrate just how hard we're going to twist your nuts in a vice grip until you allow this to happen, Stern."

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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?

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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?


Let's see how it plays out first. He might have to run the team in Sac for a while, dude. That banner might not make him look all that great as the new owner of the Sacramento Kings.

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Even if his bid for ownership fails he deserves that gesture. Plus, if he owns the Kings in Sac, I'm pretty sure everyone knows the writings on the wall there.


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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?


I am with you. I want him to rais the 12th man flag sunday night against the 49ers. :49ersmall:
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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?


Let's see how it plays out first. He might have to run the team in Sac for a while, dude. That banner might not make him look all that great as the new owner of the Sacramento Kings.


Yeah... they also told Clay Bennett and Michael Heisley that they couldn't move the Sonics and the Grizzlies from Seattle and Vancouver as well. How did those movies end again...?

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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?


Let's see how it plays out first. He might have to run the team in Sac for a while, dude. That banner might not make him look all that great as the new owner of the Sacramento Kings.


Yeah... they also told Clay Bennett and Michael Heisley that they couldn't move the Sonics and the Grizzlies from Seattle and Vancouver as well. How did those movies end again...?


Honestly, if he has to "operate" the team in Sacramento for at least 1 season you're telling me that we should be flying a Chris Hansen banner up here, while they still reside (and no relo has been approved) in Sac?

I never said he wouldn't EVER get to relocate the team. I think it's retarded to fly a banner while they're down there and no relo has been approved. it's just stupid.

If he fails, fly the banner. If relo is approved, fly the banner. If he operates it for a year and then relo is approved, fly the freaking banner...

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E.C. Laloosh wrote:
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Hey, I want to start the movement for a "thank you chris" flag/banner on top the space needle, whos with me?


Let's see how it plays out first. He might have to run the team in Sac for a while, dude. That banner might not make him look all that great as the new owner of the Sacramento Kings.


Yeah... they also told Clay Bennett and Michael Heisley that they couldn't move the Sonics and the Grizzlies from Seattle and Vancouver as well. How did those movies end again...?

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Honestly, if he has to "operate" the team in Sacramento for at least 1 season you're telling me that we should be flying a Chris Hansen banner up here, while they still reside (and no relo has been approved) in Sac?

I never said he wouldn't EVER get to relocate the team. I think it's retarded to fly a banner while they're down there and no relo has been approved. it's just stupid.

If he fails, fly the banner. If relo is approved, fly the banner. If he operates it for a year and then relo is approved, fly the freaking banner...


of course. You don't hang the banner until after you win the championship. This is only like the second round of the playoffs right now. Finish the job first guys...

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Naw he needs a flag on the space needle for all he's done for us, win lose or draw.

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Naw he needs a flag on the space needle for all he's done for us, win lose or draw.

Just my opinion.


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Naw he needs a flag on the space needle for all he's done for us, win lose or draw.

Just my opinion.


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If he owns the team, he wouldn't have to stay in Sacramento. He could just move the team. I would love to see the NBA sue him and lose, though.

Look, if he ends up owning the team, it's over. I would hang the flag just because he (and Ballmer and everyone else) is incredibly AWESOME, but owning the team = Sonics are back. He'll just up and relocate them.

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If he owns the team, he wouldn't have to stay in Sacramento. He could just move the team. I would love to see the NBA sue him and lose, though.

Look, if he ends up owning the team, it's over. I would hang the flag just because he (and Ballmer and everyone else) is incredibly AWESOME, but owning the team = Sonics are back. He'll just up and relocate them.


I wish it was that easy to move a team if you own it. It still has to go to a vote.


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If he owns the team, he wouldn't have to stay in Sacramento. He could just move the team. I would love to see the NBA sue him and lose, though.

Look, if he ends up owning the team, it's over. I would hang the flag just because he (and Ballmer and everyone else) is incredibly AWESOME, but owning the team = Sonics are back. He'll just up and relocate them.


I wish it was that easy to move a team if you own it. It still has to go to a vote.


Tell that to Al Davis. He upped and moved the team without a vote, then beat the NFL in court.


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If he owns the team, he wouldn't have to stay in Sacramento. He could just move the team. I would love to see the NBA sue him and lose, though.

Look, if he ends up owning the team, it's over. I would hang the flag just because he (and Ballmer and everyone else) is incredibly AWESOME, but owning the team = Sonics are back. He'll just up and relocate them.


I wish it was that easy to move a team if you own it. It still has to go to a vote.


Tell that to Al Davis. He upped and moved the team without a vote, then beat the NFL in court.


So did Donald Sterling, and he ALSO beat the NBA in court.

The NFL is so scared of losing in court on these matters that they rolled over and let Georgia Frontiere move the Rams to STL when she threatened a lawsuit even though the NFL didn't really want that move to happen.

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Ken Behring did the same thing to the Seahawks - moved them to LA where that slimey puke made his money as a used-car salesman - and was getting away with it when Paul Allen stepped in and bought the team and got CenturyLink Field built. Thank you, Paul. :)

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Ken Behring did the same thing to the Seahawks - moved them to LA where that slimey puke made his money as a used-car salesman - and was getting away with it when Paul Allen stepped in and bought the team and got CenturyLink Field built. Thank you, Paul. :)


you realize your blaming this ken behring fellow for being chris hansen, right?

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Ken Behring did the same thing to the Seahawks - moved them to LA where that slimey puke made his money as a used-car salesman - and was getting away with it when Paul Allen stepped in and bought the team and got CenturyLink Field built. Thank you, Paul. :)


you realize your blaming this ken behring fellow for being chris hansen, right?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that makes me kind of sick and you are sort of wrong. The Kings have been all over the place and they weren't being supported and nobody was going to the games and Sac can't afforde the kind of arena NBA teams need to generate revenue profits and the Kings are always going to be a league charity case - the Seahawks have always been a beloved Seattle icon. I have childhood memories of going to meeting Hawks players and going to games from their first year.

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Stern breaking his own rules to screw over Hanson has already cost the ownership group $100,000,000. I wonder how they feel about that. :(

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Hey pink, do you know Speedcat from SR?

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When are we ever going to see something like this again, let alone to a team we are invested in as fans? This assembled group is amazing and Hansen is a GOD! ( not the GOD, but A GOD!)

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Ken Behring did the same thing to the Seahawks - moved them to LA where that slimey puke made his money as a used-car salesman - and was getting away with it when Paul Allen stepped in and bought the team and got CenturyLink Field built. Thank you, Paul. :)


you realize your blaming this ken behring fellow for being chris hansen, right?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that makes me kind of sick and you are sort of wrong. The Kings have been all over the place and they weren't being supported and nobody was going to the games and Sac can't afforde the kind of arena NBA teams need to generate revenue profits and the Kings are always going to be a league charity case - the Seahawks have always been a beloved Seattle icon. I have childhood memories of going to meeting Hawks players and going to games from their first year.


I dunno, I remember going to a lot of games in the 90's where the stadium was 1/3 empty, 1/3 Raider fans and 1/3 Seahawk fans.

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Interesting twist here. Looks like the original vote by the relocation committee was 4-3, but "the dissenters were asked to throw in their votes for the sake of unanimity."

http://sportspressnw.com/2151141/2013/thiel-hansen-answers-a-kickback-with-a-bribe#.UY3Z0-EiLmQ.twitter

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If thats true... Hansen might've won it today just by saying he'd pay into the revenue sharing even while playing in Key Arena risking losing money, and since (Bucher confirmed Mitch Levy's tweets) the Sacramento group is still looking for another person to join in. Drivers seat? what drivers seat? I don't see a damn car!

and Pete Carroll is offically my favorite Seattle coach of all time, and now George Karl is 2nd.

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Interesting twist here. Looks like the original vote by the relocation committee was 4-3, but "the dissenters were asked to throw in their votes for the sake of unanimity."

http://sportspressnw.com/2151141/2013/thiel-hansen-answers-a-kickback-with-a-bribe#.UY3Z0-EiLmQ.twitter


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"On the other hand, Hansen’s first increase in the bid price, $25 million, was “not recognized” at the Board of Governors meeting April 19, according to the same source, ostensibly because it wasn’t part of the original purchase and sale agreement signed with the Maloofs in January. Whether that was a procedural matter or a genuine disqualification isn’t known, but the tactic could provide a workaround for the anti-Hansen crowd."

This worries me, if they didn't acknowledge the first increase, would they acknowledge this one?

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"On the other hand, Hansen’s first increase in the bid price, $25 million, was “not recognized” at the Board of Governors meeting April 19, according to the same source, ostensibly because it wasn’t part of the original purchase and sale agreement signed with the Maloofs in January. Whether that was a procedural matter or a genuine disqualification isn’t known, but the tactic could provide a workaround for the anti-Hansen crowd."

This worries me, if they didn't acknowledge the first increase, would they acknowledge this one?


I believe this was more of a way to keep the Maloofs in line than anything (of course, it also bumps other franchises up a bit).

More than anything, Hansen and co. are setting up themselves for a lawsuit, just incase the NBA makes the stupid decision to turn them down. And don't give me that "they signed a contract promising not to sue" crap, that will never hold up in court.

I think the sweetener for the other owners is Hansen and Co promising to put into the the revenue sharing, rather than not to take from it. Also, reports are coming out that the relocation vote was actually 4-3, but they were told to change their vote in showing they were unanimous.

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If thats true... Hansen might've won it today just by saying he'd pay into the revenue sharing even while playing in Key Arena risking losing money, and since (Bucher confirmed Mitch Levy's tweets) the Sacramento group is still looking for another person to join in. Drivers seat? what drivers seat? I don't see a damn car!

and Pete Carroll is offically my favorite Seattle coach of all time, and now George Karl is 2nd.

George Karl lost me with his pro-Sacramento comments last week. He would've been better off saying nothing than what he said.


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Hey pink, do you know Speedcat from SR?

Not personally, but I've gone back and forth with him on SR a little bit here and there and am very familiar with him.

I play music with the guy.

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"On the other hand, Hansen’s first increase in the bid price, $25 million, was “not recognized” at the Board of Governors meeting April 19, according to the same source, ostensibly because it wasn’t part of the original purchase and sale agreement signed with the Maloofs in January. Whether that was a procedural matter or a genuine disqualification isn’t known, but the tactic could provide a workaround for the anti-Hansen crowd."

This worries me, if they didn't acknowledge the first increase, would they acknowledge this one?


Maybe they don't but the real question is whether this entices the Maloofs to see this through the vote for the ownership sale? The BOG can say what they want, but their accountants would have to show me some serious number crunching to convince me accepting a backup bid $100M less in valuation makes sense. I sit it out. The owners could reject the sale but the Sac Group isn't going to withdraw the backup bid at this point.

I wouldn't doubt that the owners will follow Stern's lead and reject the sale. This is a game of chicken and the NBA is so far in bed with the local group, reversing their field doesn't seem like an option they will take. Now what happens after the sale is denied between the Seattle group and the NBA is another story. I am not sure if HBN takes the NBA to court or not. I would. Is the increase being used to setup a case down the road? Would love to be part of the internal discussions Hansen and Ballmer are having.

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I'm not a huge NBA fan but I'm excited for the city to get a team back but it leads me to this...

Is there any way the NBA can walk away from this now and not severely damage their reputation? Not to mention it would have anti-trust written all over it with the NBA telling the Maloof's who they have to sell to


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They could save face by letting the Kings morph into the Sonics or grant them an immediate expansion team starting play in the 13-14 season!

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This is Hansen daring the NBA to say no, if that vote is true then collution is also involved to manipulate the fair market and competitive practices of the business. Telling people to change a vote is really bad business, to do it to make something look other then it was in the public eye is also manipulation. I wonder if Hansen and the rest of the group knew the real vote or not.

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I get out of work before lunch on Wed. Thinking I just might try and find were the BOG meeting is. Get some green and gold down there!


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pretty sure its here in Dallas somewhere


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Oh, WELL THEN! They usually hold their meetings there in NY.

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This is Hansen daring the NBA to say no, if that vote is true then collution is also involved to manipulate the fair market and competitive practices of the business. Telling people to change a vote is really bad business, to do it to make something look other then it was in the public eye is also manipulation. I wonder if Hansen and the rest of the group knew the real vote or not.


This is looking like it's gonna be get ugly if they deny Hanson. It's a hole the NBA dug themselves though, they keep changing the rules to allow Sac back in it.


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I just dont see how the NBA can walk away from not only this amount of money but this group. Group's lkke this don't just fall out of tree's. I feel there will be a team here if not this coming season but the next. I don't see the NBA steeping over a $100 bill to pick up 25 cents plus we have everything in place ready to go.


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