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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 10:32 am
  • I think this will end with H/B/N sueing the bejesus out of the NBA and Seattle getting a team thru settlement!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 11:35 am
  • JOz56 wrote:They are being allowed to keep the team because of this...

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/06/5398439/sacramento-kings-dallas-nba.html

    The investors trying to keep the Kings in Sacramento made key concessions to the NBA, including a promise to limit the amount of league revenue sharing they would accept, according to a published report.


    In other words, they grabbed their ankles... Stern (while being a gigantic a-hole) got exactly what he wanted. No wonder the owners love 'em.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 11:37 am
  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:
    JOz56 wrote:They are being allowed to keep the team because of this...

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/06/5398439/sacramento-kings-dallas-nba.html

    The investors trying to keep the Kings in Sacramento made key concessions to the NBA, including a promise to limit the amount of league revenue sharing they would accept, according to a published report.


    In other words, they grabbed their ankles... Stern (while being a gigantic a-hole) got exactly what he wanted. No wonder the owners love 'em.


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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 12:08 pm
  • JOz56 wrote:They are being allowed to keep the team because of this...

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/06/5398439/sacramento-kings-dallas-nba.html

    The investors trying to keep the Kings in Sacramento made key concessions to the NBA, including a promise to limit the amount of league revenue sharing they would accept, according to a published report.


    Huh.

    So factor that in, with the public money handout being used for their new arena... there ya go.

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 12:37 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Yay?


    Enjoy. I'll laugh my ass off if SEA somehow wrestles an expansion team out of the NBA. Meanwhile Sacramento (the city) goes bankrupt because they happily let themselves be bent over a trash can in a dirty alley by David Stern.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 12:54 pm
  • there is no way that sac can support this and when all the people that put it in place so they can go bankrupt get voted out. then what they are in the same place they were in.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 12:58 pm
  • The latest news about the concessions just tells me that the Sacramento ownership group will say or do anything to get a team regardless of the lack of feasibility of fulfilling these promises.

    The city of Sacramento will look back and realize all of this back bending to keep this team has screwed the city more than it already is. They want to play it like that, fine, keep your team and I will laugh when the entire situation bursts into flames and the teams for sale in five years and the city is bankrupt.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 1:45 pm
  • seahawk2k wrote:The latest news about the concessions just tells me that the Sacramento ownership group will say or do anything to get a team regardless of the lack of feasibility of fulfilling these promises.

    The city of Sacramento will look back and realize all of this back bending to keep this team has screwed the city more than it already is. They want to play it like that, fine, keep your team and I will laugh when the entire situation bursts into flames and the teams for sale in five years and the city is bankrupt.


    Yup, the NBA is going into very, very dangerous territory here. You can bet your ass the players association is keeping a close eye and documenting all of this. This is not going to end well
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 2:12 pm
  • seahawk2k wrote:The latest news about the concessions just tells me that the Sacramento ownership group will say or do anything to get a team regardless of the lack of feasibility of fulfilling these promises.

    The city of Sacramento will look back and realize all of this back bending to keep this team has screwed the city more than it already is. They want to play it like that, fine, keep your team and I will laugh when the entire situation bursts into flames and the teams for sale in five years and the city is bankrupt.



    Your perceptions about Sacramento are ridiculous. Sacramento is not Stockton, Sacramento is not in trouble. You are also completely ignoring the economic benefits of having a basketball team and an arena in downtown. The fact of the matter is the city of Seattle didn't do what Sacramento is doing and that is why they don't have a team.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 2:25 pm
  • salamander wrote: The fact of the matter is the city of Seattle didn't do what Sacramento is doing and that is why they don't have a team.


    I don't think you know what a 'fact' is.

    The city of Seattle and King County didn't want to 100% finance an arena with public money. Which was the right decision. It wasn't a real offer/arena plan from Bennett. It was designed to fail. It gave him his excuse to steal the team.

    Look at the arena plan Hansen came up with, good plan = approved by city and county. Understand?

    The Sonics left because Schultz sold the team to a slimy snake from Oklahoma who had no intention of keeping the team here. It was business games played by billionaires. Nothing the city or the fans could do about it.

    Please stop trying to make up reasons other than that as to why the Sonics left.

    If you want to be mad about Hansen trying to buy the Kings fine, but please stop trying to act like you know why the Sonics left. Just stop...
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 2:42 pm
  • I was referring to the amount of effort/interest/fight Sacramento is putting in to keeping the team. It's my understanding that if the city of Seattle had done the same the NBA would not have allowed the Sonics to be moved.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 2:54 pm
  • salamander wrote:I was referring to the amount of effort/interest/fight Sacramento is putting in to keeping the team. It's my understanding that if the city of Seattle had done the same the NBA would not have allowed the Sonics to be moved.



    That's not true at all. There was we could do. The citizens didn't want to fully fund an arena which was what was proposed and it was an offer designed to fail as Twisted stated. They were moving the day Bennett bought them.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 2:54 pm
  • salamander wrote:I was referring to the amount of a** pounding Sacramento is taking to keep the team. blah.. blah blah... blah blah... blah dee blah


    Fixed.

    Oh, and the guy who wrote the article was on KJR this afternoon:

    http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/pages/ianfurness_page.html
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:24 pm
  • Salamander, you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the situation in 2008. Maybe sit a few plays out and/or do some research and stop reciting talking points you heard from your Mayor.

    Sacramento isn't Stockton, but its not in great shape either. This deal will not help your city and your team, especially if all these concessions are actually inked.

    Take the blinders off and think independently.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:27 pm
  • salamander wrote:I was referring to the amount of effort/interest/fight Sacramento is putting in to keeping the team. It's my understanding that if the city of Seattle had done the same the NBA would not have allowed the Sonics to be moved.


    Except, none of that is true. We didn't want to fund an arena 100% percent. We wanted the possible owners to give atleast some of it back. And once we said no to that, we weren't allowed to fight for our team. Don't kid yourself in believing that you "fought" for your team. Stern and the owners are going along with this because Sacramento is willing to keep the team over the well being of their own city. I don't know how you can't see this isn't good for Sacramento.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:36 pm
  • JOz56 wrote:Stern and the owners are going along with this because Sacramento is willing to keep the team over the well being of their own city.


    This is the type of BS that I can't stand from Seattle fans. There is absolutely no evidence that this deal will harm the city in any way. You bring this up to justify your hatred at not getting the team. It's bogus. We have people in government fighting their ass off to keep the team in Sacramento. We are also not paying any more in taxes...the funding is coming from parking revenues for parking lots the city owns but currently sit empty. The arena will draw people to town and fill up those spaces.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:43 pm
  • This is a pleasant fiction you live in. There is contrary evidence, but it hasn't come from the pro-arena people you are getting all of your information from. It's as flimsy as a wet paper bag.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:49 pm
  • Salamander, you should try reading some of the articles coming out of your own press down there. They aren't all painting a happy picture of that arena plan.

    Hell, the Sac group are getting so much government subsidy help, they're willing to give up an additional $18,000,000.00/year that would come from the league rather than tax payers.

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 3:49 pm
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Mon May 06, 2013 4:17 pm
  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:Salamander, you should try reading some of the articles coming out of your own press down there. They aren't all painting a happy picture of that arena plan.

    Hell, the Sac group are getting so much government subsidy help, they're willing to give up an additional $18,000,000.00/year that would come from the league rather than tax payers.

    Like I said... ankles...


    No article is near as dire as you Sonics fans would like to believe. At worst there are questions and risk, but NO ONE thinks the city is going to suffer as you suggest. And no one is getting a subsidy. Sacramento will own the arena.

    And by turning down revenue sharing they are showing confidence in their projections that show they wouldn’t be eligible for that level of revenue sharing anyways. That level of revenue sharing is based on last years revenue, which was the apex of the Maloof mismanagement. The Maloofs weren't even trying.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 4:28 pm
  • Dude what color is the sky in the world in which you live? The city of Sacramento doesn't have financial problems???? Really? I've been there 3 times on business over the last 10 years, and after driving on your freeways I'm glad with all of the potholes I was driving a rental. The only thing to do there is tip cows or drive to Reno! You need to open up your eyes, you sound like some partisan wackjob talking politics and believe only what your sides media tells you!
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Mon May 06, 2013 4:31 pm
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 4:33 pm
  • I don't see confidence in projections as much as I see "we'll basically agree to anything to win this." When you're the lesser city and the lesser group, I guess you've got to spread those beef flaps to all comers.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 4:42 pm
  • This whole deal makes me glad we no longer have the NBA in Seattle.


    I don't want that product in my town. Yes, I liked the Sonics. My father loved them. He was a fanatic. But even he hates the corruption of Stern's NBA and bid them farewell in 2008. The NBA is a parasite. And our city is much better off without that.

    Look at the NBA. Actually look at it. Now forget about the green and gold for just a second. Just actually look at what the NBA is, what it has become. This is a business whose only interest is to steal as much money as possible from the taxpayers. This business will fix games, it will fix ANYTHING, to maximize the profits of the owners and at the cost of the players and fans. The NBA, more than any other sports league, has ZERO interest in the product it provides or the fans who pay for it. Seriously, people. Take a good hard honest look at it.

    The NBA is fixed worse than the WWE. Do any of us honestly believe this will EVER favor Seattle? For all the whining on this board that the NFL can be unfair at times (in scheduling, officiating, etc), that pales in comparison to the NBA. Good riddance, I say. I have no interest in seeing my city pillaged and held hostage for NOTHING in return. We're already dealing with that in the Mariners.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 4:54 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:This whole deal makes me glad we no longer have the NBA in Seattle.


    I don't want that product in my town. Yes, I liked the Sonics. My father loved them. He was a fanatic. But even he hates the corruption of Stern's NBA and bid them farewell in 2008. The NBA is a parasite. And our city is much better off without that.

    Look at the NBA. Actually look at it. Now forget about the green and gold for just a second. Just actually look at what the NBA is, what it has become. This is a business whose only interest is to steal as much money as possible from the taxpayers. This business will fix games, it will fix ANYTHING, to maximize the profits of the owners and at the cost of the players and fans. The NBA, more than any other sports league, has ZERO interest in the product it provides or the fans who pay for it. Seriously, people. Take a good hard honest look at it.

    The NBA is fixed worse than the WWE. Do any of us honestly believe this will EVER favor Seattle? For all the whining on this board that the NFL can be unfair at times (in scheduling, officiating, etc), that pales in comparison to the NBA. Good riddance, I say. I have no interest in seeing my city pillaged and held hostage for NOTHING in return. We're already dealing with that in the Mariners.



    As much as I wish I could disagree, I actually agree with you. More than anything I just want to see the league burn. If we get a team out of it, great, but I want to see people go down. And for this to get very, very messy for the NBA
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 5:05 pm
  • salamander wrote:
    E.C. Laloosh wrote:Salamander, you should try reading some of the articles coming out of your own press down there. They aren't all painting a happy picture of that arena plan.

    Hell, the Sac group are getting so much government subsidy help, they're willing to give up an additional $18,000,000.00/year that would come from the league rather than tax payers.

    Like I said... ankles...


    No article is near as dire as you Sonics fans would like to believe. At worst there are questions and risk, but NO ONE thinks the city is going to suffer as you suggest. And no one is getting a subsidy. Sacramento will own the arena.

    And by turning down revenue sharing they are showing confidence in their projections that show they wouldn’t be eligible for that level of revenue sharing anyways. That level of revenue sharing is based on last years revenue, which was the apex of the Maloof mismanagement. The Maloofs weren't even trying.


    It was not that long ago that city leaders were slashing police and fire protection and pleading with the public and private sectors to help keep a few swimming pools open. Now, the city is offering property valued at $34 million to fund a new arena.

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/04/539285 ... rylink=cpy


    Sounds pretty dire to me. Ankles!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 5:21 pm
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 5:40 pm
  • lol salamander u are going to watch your city burn over an arena that will never be build. Or build like the key and other arenas that are outdated the second they are finished. Sure u will get an influx of fans to see the new arena. Sure it will look good on paper oh wait no it doesn't. Sure when that arena is empty other then the faithfull and the sac is crying to the nba to let them out of there deal so they can get some money. What I don't get is how do men of that means want to throw money down the toilet. Guess being hero is better then having a lot of cash in your pocket.


    also welcome to the phoenix coyotes sac. that is exactly where u are headed.



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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 5:45 pm
  • HansGruber wrote:This whole deal makes me glad we no longer have the NBA in Seattle.


    I don't want that product in my town. Yes, I liked the Sonics. My father loved them. He was a fanatic. But even he hates the corruption of Stern's NBA and bid them farewell in 2008. The NBA is a parasite. And our city is much better off without that.

    Look at the NBA. Actually look at it. Now forget about the green and gold for just a second. Just actually look at what the NBA is, what it has become. This is a business whose only interest is to steal as much money as possible from the taxpayers. This business will fix games, it will fix ANYTHING, to maximize the profits of the owners and at the cost of the players and fans. The NBA, more than any other sports league, has ZERO interest in the product it provides or the fans who pay for it. Seriously, people. Take a good hard honest look at it.

    The NBA is fixed worse than the WWE. Do any of us honestly believe this will EVER favor Seattle? For all the whining on this board that the NFL can be unfair at times (in scheduling, officiating, etc), that pales in comparison to the NBA. Good riddance, I say. I have no interest in seeing my city pillaged and held hostage for NOTHING in return. We're already dealing with that in the Mariners.


    Good points. I'm starting to agree with this mentality about the NBA. I'm just absolutely appalled by how the past few weeks have gone. It's brutal to put fans of both sides through this and drag it out as much as possible.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:12 pm
  • hawkcrazzed wrote:lol salamander u are going to watch your city burn over an arena that will never be build.


    Watch my city burn? This is why you have no credibility.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:19 pm
  • He doesn't mean you're going to literally watch it be set fire and turn into ashes.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:24 pm
  • really lets see the emails the city will not release. Lets look at the bank account of the city that they don't know where it is. But u guys need the kings like its water and u are in the desert. We got hosed and the fact that u keep coming here to try to rub in what u think happened. Is very sad and laughable. Good Luck with the Oakland way of drafting and building a team with the kings. You guys are going to be more crap then already are. And when u have to go to the nba to get the money you promised u won't take. Because when u had webber and all your greats. You only made 18 million bucks. Your team and owners will be crying like little babys to eather get out or sell.


    The city will be eather bankrupt or flat broke. And yes when you are cutting city services to fund this arena. It will burn when there are no cops to get the criminals. Or firemen to go put out the fires. But hey you guys needed ONE more team in CALIFORNIA. Because you guys really don't have that kind of coverage. You only have the LAKERS, CLIPPERS, AND WARRIORS. One of which in the next couple of years might be moving closer to sacremento. So the TV coverage won't be there. But hey im only a delusional sonics fan thinking they would make money hand over fist in seattle over your crap market.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:27 pm
  • Sigh...this is so dumb. Is this part of the stages of grief?
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:28 pm
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:31 pm
  • hawkcrazzed wrote:I would feel better if u would take this one off.


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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:32 pm
  • salamander wrote:Sigh...this is so dumb. Is this part of the stages of grief?


    Dude, seriously? Now you're just trolling. Get the hell out of this thread.
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:32 pm
  • lol I have my crooked left eye on you sac.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:35 pm
  • I have my crooked third eye on you crazzed.
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:35 pm
  • ewwwwwww I don't want to know now.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:36 pm
  • I just don't get why he's STILL in here, let us do our thing. If you feel we're wrong about your crap city so what?

    Fact of the matter is, that shitty little team in that shitty little city is going to need that revenue stream that they said they wouldn't take, the market (which is already in the dumps) is going to go stale there because the team isn't going to get enough revenue to sustain anything, unless they get incredibly lucky and get a generational talent (HIGHLY unlikely)

    Ranadearover and Mastrov entered into a losing situation, the teams as good as gone whether its now or 5-10 years down the road.
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:37 pm
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:39 pm
  • Salamander, did you think that you could come on here and we would go, "You are right, we don't deserve a team, everything about Sacramento is great and the arena deal is perfect in every way. We have no right to be angry and we are all going to be Kings fans"?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 6:50 pm
  • I've said before I don't think the DTP arena will be built, I stand by it.

    I also don't think anybody is going to sign a 35-year inescapable lease for a team in Sacramento. This team is worth $550m because of its mobility and ability to be transplanted into a good market, if it's locked into a bad one for decades, I'd expect the value of the team to drop to around $3.75.
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:53 pm
  • pinksheets wrote:I've said before I don't think the DTP arena will be built, I stand by it.

    I also don't think anybody is going to sign a 35-year inescapable lease for a team in Sacramento. This team is worth $550m because of its mobility and ability to be transplanted into a good market, if it's locked into a bad one for decades, I'd expect the value of the team to drop to around $3.75.




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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Mon May 06, 2013 7:06 pm
  • From my brief read on things, the possible ~$18M/yr the perspective Kings owners are forfeiting is money that was intended to be used for player acquisition (eventually). Sacramento wouldn't get any of that one way or the other (unless it is taxable by the city), so this doesn't overtly impact Sacramento one way or the other, correct?

    The new Kings owners are rolling in dough, just not all tied up in owning the club, so taking losses for awhile until the new arena is complete most likely doesn't put them in a panic.

    The part I don't understand is how this doesn't shaft the Maloofs? What is their motivation to sell to these guys when the NBA turns down Hansen? Allowing the potential owners to leverage a promise of not taking funds from the NBA seems like an unfair advantage unless the NBA allowed the Hansen group the same opportunity. Confusing detail in this saga. There must be an understanding with the Maloofs that when the Hansen deal is rejected that they are willing to accept the offer from the local investors.

    Does the NBA turn around and approve the alternate deal May 15th or do they have to go through this process all over again as far as filing for sale of the club to the NBA? Thereby restarting the clock before it becomes official?
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