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Kings attendance ranks in the past 5 years...
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But attendance is part of the reason the Sonics were moved? Sac offers less money, less of a plan and have awful attendance. Stern must genuinely have it out for Seattle


Obviously it wasn't Stern. Couldn't have been. I mean, wasn't the return of the Sonics supposed to be his last hoo-rah? The vote was unanimous, after all.

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Kings attendance ranks in the past 5 years...
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2011-2012 - 27th
2010-2011 - 29th
2009-2010 - 29th
2008-2009 - 30th (LAST)

But attendance is part of the reason the Sonics were moved? Sac offers less money, less of a plan and have awful attendance. Stern must genuinely have it out for Seattle


Obviously it wasn't Stern. Couldn't have been. I mean, wasn't the return of the Sonics supposed to be his last hoo-rah? The vote was unanimous, after all.


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Kings attendance ranks in the past 5 years...
2012-2013 - 30th (LAST)
2011-2012 - 27th
2010-2011 - 29th
2009-2010 - 29th
2008-2009 - 30th (LAST)

But attendance is part of the reason the Sonics were moved? Sac offers less money, less of a plan and have awful attendance. Stern must genuinely have it out for Seattle


Obviously it wasn't Stern. Couldn't have been. I mean, wasn't the return of the Sonics supposed to be his last hoo-rah? The vote was unanimous, after all.


Bennett.


Yea, that vote was unanimous too.

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Obviously it wasn't Stern. Couldn't have been. I mean, wasn't the return of the Sonics supposed to be his last hoo-rah? The vote was unanimous, after all.


Bennett.


Yea, that vote was unanimous too.


What I mean is that he heads the relocation committee. I wouldn't be surprised if he went to extensive efforts to get everyone to vote for Sac.


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What I mean is that he heads the relocation committee. I wouldn't be surprised if he went to extensive efforts to get everyone to vote for Sac.


That wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if I had to glom onto just one theory...

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Words can't express how disappointed and pissed off I am right now.

But before I completely throw in the towel I want to hear from Hansen/Ballmer and see if something else shakes out from the BOG meeting. On Hansen's side, there's just too much work & investment already made for him to let this drop - the land's been purchased, the agreements with the city for the arena are all hammered out.

The Owners are going to vote for what makes them the most $$$ in the long-run. As has been said, this probably gave Sacramento a bigger edge than we realized - allowing the move after Sacto had bent over backwards to come up with a viable (although not nearly as good) offer to keep the team would've destroyed the NBA's leverage in any future arena/relocation dispute. They could always point to Seattle as an example of "you don't do business with us, and we're gone" well, if they left Sacto, then any city could simply say, "and even if we do work with you, we can get screwed"

But still - the situation here in Seattle is so strong, the ownership group is loaded, the market is swimming in dough ... getting a team back here is nothing but a $$$$ rain-shower for the League.

Stern is the only one that has acted like expansion's not an options (and he's a smarmy 2-faced bastard and was probably trying to keep the pressure on both bidders) I still can't believe that the owners would be so short-sighted to rule out expansion as well at this point.

That's what I'm still hoping happens - we get the immediate guarantee of an expansion team that starts play in a year. That's the way it should've been ever since Hansen stepped up.

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Worst thing is.........what does Chris Hansen do? I doubt he just sits around and waits on the land he has bought, plus mayor McGinn may not be re-elected as his opponent is very anti-arena thus causing it to become much harder to pass in the near future. I hate David Stern, knew he would screw us again!

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Just got off the phone with Steve Ballmer. He is "horribly, horribly disappointed" in this news.

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Steve was incredibly emotional on the phone. He and the group will continue their communication w/Stern and the NBA.

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Ballmer said that he and Chris Hansen and the rest of the group will put their heads together and see if there is a reasonable next step.


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This makes no sense to me. The city of Sacramento has shown almost no love for Kings for the last few years (I know, I live and hour away) and then all of a sudden they love the Kings because they are leaving. Of course there are the die hard fans who have been true, but mostly people couldn't care less about the Kings. Except now people are throwing money and their voices all over the place to try and keep them.

Give it a year or two and they'll go back to the way things were.

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What about the possibility of the Bucks moving to Seattle?


Should we even get our hopes up?


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Ballmer told me that he can't imagine that the city of Seattle will ever have a stronger case and a better situation to acquire a team.


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I've said all along that it feels like the NBA is using Seattle to force other teams into building new arena's and then we'll maybe eventually get a bone thrown our way.

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Just got off the phone with Steve Ballmer. He is "horribly, horribly disappointed" in this news.

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Steve was incredibly emotional on the phone. He and the group will continue their communication w/Stern and the NBA.

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Ballmer said that he and Chris Hansen and the rest of the group will put their heads together and see if there is a reasonable next step.


Its over...........NBA is dead.

And that last line worries me the most, will out their heads together and see "IF" there is a nest step. "IF" their isn't say goodbye to Ballmer and Hansen.

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Ballmer displayed zero optimism expansion will be offered. Said that he just doesn't think the NBA will share the revenue pie w/more teams.

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In the midst of his "venting" on the phone, Ballmer did say he feels terrible for Seattle NBA fans for having their hopes dashed again.


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In the midst of his "venting" on the phone, Ballmer did say he feels terrible for Seattle NBA fans for having their hopes dashed again.


We were just a pawn in the NBA's game.....nothing more, nothing less. We really never had a chance.

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In the midst of his "venting" on the phone, Ballmer did say he feels terrible for Seattle NBA fans for having their hopes dashed again.


We were just a pawn in the NBA's game.....nothing more, nothing less. We really never had a chance.


You're probably right.

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Basketball sucks....only wanted a Hockey team anyways. Oh well.


I wanted a hockey team here badly. Very badly. Basketball is about on par with baseball to me, but it was obvious from the start that the Sonics were the only way to make that happen. I have been a Sonics supporter for a long time, but that was at least as much a source of my support for this move as any love for the Sonics.

And now Basketball is dead again to me.

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Yep.

He should have bought the Kings with the understanding to stay(lied).

Then asked them to build a 100% publicly funded $600 million dollar arena(fake plan).

Which would get turned down instantly(which everyone knew would happen).

He could then move the team saying the state and city won't cooperate!! Didn't we learn anything from Bennett?

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Basketball sucks....only wanted a Hockey team anyways. Oh well.


I wanted a hockey team here badly. Very badly. Basketball is about on par with baseball to me, but it was obvious from the start that the Sonics were the only way to make that happen. I have been a Sonics supporter for a long time, but that was at least as much a source of my support for this move as any love for the Sonics.

And now Basketball is dead again to me.


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Basketball sucks....only wanted a Hockey team anyways. Oh well.


I wanted a hockey team here badly. Very badly. Basketball is about on par with baseball to me, but it was obvious from the start that the Sonics were the only way to make that happen. I have been a Sonics supporter for a long time, but that was at least as much a source of my support for this move as any love for the Sonics.

And now Basketball is dead again to me.


Off-topic. I thought you were heading south permanently. Is that still the case?

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I'm not even a basketball guy, but I still wanted the Sonics back. This pisses me off. Doubly pissed off because no NHL either.

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Basketball sucks....only wanted a Hockey team anyways. Oh well.


I wanted a hockey team here badly. Very badly. Basketball is about on par with baseball to me, but it was obvious from the start that the Sonics were the only way to make that happen. I have been a Sonics supporter for a long time, but that was at least as much a source of my support for this move as any love for the Sonics.

And now Basketball is dead again to me.


Off-topic. I thought you were heading south permanently. Is that still the case?


In case he doesnt get back to this thread, that was just an April fools joke he was playin on us. I believe that was Stallone's house (or somebody similar) that he told us he was moving in to.

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Basketball sucks....only wanted a Hockey team anyways. Oh well.


I wanted a hockey team here badly. Very badly. Basketball is about on par with baseball to me, but it was obvious from the start that the Sonics were the only way to make that happen. I have been a Sonics supporter for a long time, but that was at least as much a source of my support for this move as any love for the Sonics.

And now Basketball is dead again to me.


Off-topic. I thought you were heading south permanently. Is that still the case?


Naw, that was a brilliantly successful April Fool's joke.

And basketball is still dead to me.

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Sorry Sonic fans.

But that was just the recommendation, right? Owners themselves still have to vote? Maybe just a sliver of hope left.

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Sorry Sonic fans.

But that was just the recommendation, right? Owners themselves still have to vote? Maybe just a sliver of hope left.


No, its over................

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But that was just the recommendation, right? Owners themselves still have to vote? Maybe just a sliver of hope left.


Only 8 owners need to vote against it next month to kill it, and 12 just committed to it.

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But that was just the recommendation, right? Owners themselves still have to vote? Maybe just a sliver of hope left.


12 owners that made that recommendation unanimously. Pretty dead deal. Unless Chris still wants to go through w/ the purchase, keep the team in Sacramento and then move them in a year or so when the city won't build the arena he demands (Bennett style).

I suppose he could say "yeah, I'm willing to pay for a building in Seattle because the team will actually make money up there..."

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But that was just the recommendation, right? Owners themselves still have to vote? Maybe just a sliver of hope left.


Only 8 owners need to vote against it next month to kill it, and 12 just committed to it.


Isn't relocation majority vote? I think purchase is 75%. So to be real dicks, they could turn down relocation put approve the purchase, which nobody expects to happen.

Just rumblings of a mad man.

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Man Sac, I love ya, but........I don't think now is the best time to chime in on this matter.

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