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Looks like Stern is still the straw that stirs the drink for the owners......smh.


Shut up Blitzer, they pay stern he's not doing a damn thing. IMO there's a huge rift between Stern and the Owners and that's why we are where we are.

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Peter McLoughlin (Seahawks President) is at the BOG meetings for Allen

Exclusive:Peter McLoughlin , Prez of Hawks rep. 4 Paul Alllen at BOG on if Allen would vote no on Hansen: “I don’t see that occurring, no.”

— Jason Puckett (@JasonPuckettKJR) April 18, 2013

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Peter McLoughlin (Seahawks President) is at the BOG meetings for Allen

Exclusive:Peter McLoughlin , Prez of Hawks rep. 4 Paul Alllen at BOG on if Allen would vote no on Hansen: “I don’t see that occurring, no.”

— Jason Puckett (@JasonPuckettKJR) April 18, 2013

Yep, just saw that. Well there's that, haha I was getting upset for no reason. Sorry Paul for doubting you!

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Peter McLoughlin (Seahawks President) is at the BOG meetings for Allen

Exclusive:Peter McLoughlin , Prez of Hawks rep. 4 Paul Alllen at BOG on if Allen would vote no on Hansen: “I don’t see that occurring, no.”

— Jason Puckett (@JasonPuckettKJR) April 18, 2013

Yep, just saw that. Well there's that, haha I was getting upset for no reason. Sorry Paul for doubting you!


Me too, i was on the verge of calling the man a bitch lol

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Seattle wouldve had the same shot in 2008 if the state and local government had approved what Ballmer was offering then, they didn't so the team left.

NBA is going to give Sacramento a chance to fight for its team, it'd be awful not to.

But like its been said earlier, if the sac group is asking the Maloofs to tear up the agreement with Hansen, they know they don't have their 8 votes to stop Hansen.

I think I disagree too a point with your first two statements. For the BOG to deny the sale to Hansen they are basically saying that when they want to sell their own teams, they really don't have the right to seek out the highest bidder. By voting down Hansen they are putting future restrictions on themselves when they choose to sell their teams. I understand the difference between what's happening here and a normal sale but honestly the owners would be taking the power of sale out of their own hands and giving it the other owners.

The NBA is going to set the precedent for potential owners to lie and then get a relocation vote a year after owning the team if they vote Hansen down.

But I 100% agree with your last statement. That clause wreaks of weakness on their part. They offer no downpayment yet are trying to make a power play with NOTHING to back them up. I mean the Sac group didn't even bring a knife to a gun a fight.[/quote]

They have a much more dangerous weapon, and politician as the front man, why he is leading this I have no idea since he has no personal stake other then getting re elected. We seen the bad having politicians involved here, or maybe the lack of involvement and dodgeing the issue, KJ is the extreme opposite but that extreme could damage both sides involved. Again do you trust what a politician says on camera or in a interview?

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Press conference w/ Stern about to start:

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/91902 ... ento-kings

Good to hear the details come out that the Sac group is basically pitching smoke and mirrors. I'm feeling pretty good about this right now.


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According to my calculations, May 9th is the day we get the Sonics back?

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According to my calculations, May 9th is the day we get the Sonics back?


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Good to hear the details come out that the Sac group is basically pitching smoke and mirrors. I'm feeling pretty good about this right now.


From that article:

"Based on these factors ... we and our advisors see no reason to continue any dialogue with the Sacramento group or to give any further consideration to negotiating back-up offers based on its latest non-binding proposal," the letter said.

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According to my calculations, May 9th is the day we get the Sonics back?


Shut up


Thats what the Maloofs just said to Vivek Ranadive

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According to my calculations, May 9th is the day we get the Sonics back?


Shut up


Thats what the Maloofs just said to Vivek Ranadive


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I will cut you.


Said Throwdown the future GM of the Sonics 2.0 (effective May 6th) to Jimmer Freddette.

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Hey I love backrubs but seriously would be great to have a basketball team in Seattle as it has been like forever!

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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.

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He votes against us he'll forever be a bitch in my eyes, saving the Seahawks gets anulled

Come on. Paul Allen is just covering his ass via PR. He'll vote enthusiastically for the Sonics and his "very good friend" Steve Ballmer. Are you kidding me? THese guys have barbecues together while enjoying bondage performance-art. :) I wish this was the Shack and I coulda said what I wanted.

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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.


Stern has a beef with Daniels, its awkward as hell.

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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.


Stern has a beef with Daniels, its awkward as hell.


If Stern thinks that Seattle is spewing false info or propaganda against him that just adds another piece to why he favors Sacramento. Stern definitely wasn't as brash when it came to sac-Town reporters.

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Stern wants our ownership group in the NBA, the rest of the owners want them as well. Stern is still butt hurt about being told to take a number when he came to Seattle, I'm sure the reporters that covered that as in Daniels probably also wrote some not so flattering stories since the Sonics were put on the fast track out of Seattle to Okie town versus this slow crawl to Seattle from Sacramento.

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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.


Stern has a beef with Daniels, its awkward as hell.



If Stern thinks that Seattle is spewing false info or propaganda against him that just adds another piece to why he favors Sacramento. Stern definitely wasn't as brash when it came to sac-Town reporters.


Dear god man, you read into this too much. He gave them as many non answers as he did us.

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If Stern thinks that Seattle is spewing false info or propaganda against him that just adds another piece to why he favors Sacramento. Stern definitely wasn't as brash when it came to sac-Town reporters.


Dear god man, you read into this too much. He gave them as many non answers as he did us.


Not really. Many on sonicsrising have similar concerns like this.

Also many on Sonicsrising look at the fact that the Relocation vote will now come before the vote for sale approval as a major bad point for us and I tend to agree. Reasoning be it that if this relocation vote goes against the HBN group many believe that they would drop out and the NBA would not have to technically vote on the sale approval thus opening the door for the Sac group to come in and basically have a great shot to get the Maloofs to sell to them, basically getting the Maloofs to back out of the Hansen bid without really backing out. Which is what Sac's bid is based on. Seems very fishy to me.

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What about the fact that relocation is an up or down majority vote, and if that passes, the ownership vote, which only required 8 votes to nix, would then be a formality?


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What about the fact that relocation is an up or down majority vote, and if that passes, the ownership vote, which only required 8 votes to nix, would then be a formality?


That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval vote. Just seems like an easy way for Stern and the NBA to say no to the Hansen offer without having to really say no. Plus if they do vote no on the relocation vote than its over. I just see this decision as fishy.

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What about the fact that relocation is an up or down majority vote, and if that passes, the ownership vote, which only required 8 votes to nix, would then be a formality?


That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval vote. Just seems like an easy way for Stern and the NBA to say no to the Hansen offer without having to really say no. Plus if they do vote no on the relocation vote than its over. I just see this decision as fishy.


That doesn't make sense.

If the relocation vote doesn't have enough backing for even 50%, there's no reason to hold a sales vote. Do you really think anyone who votes "no" to relocation would vote yes for an owner who has no intention of keeping the team in Sacramento? If we can't get 50% of the vote, how do you imagine we'll get 75% of the vote?

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I think it's neutral. It depends on who made that maneuver. It can be bad or good, for both Blitzer's reason or mine.


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I think it's neutral. It depends on who made that maneuver. It can be bad or good, for both Blitzer's reason or mine.


See I hate seeing you say that! Your supposed to help me step away from the ledge. Now I feel :pukeface:

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I don't want to spin anything, just look at it as rationally as possible. I don't know why they want to vote on relocation first, so it's hard to make a judgment on it.

The thing you need to remember most is this: Are these guys really going to make a financial decision this bad just to appease Stern or out of sentiment?

I still really doubt it.

The Sacramento group has no intention to match the Seattle offer. Franchise valuations fall back to earth.

While Sacramento is a top 20 market in terms of TV households, it also has no potential for an RSN, and tends to fall out of the top 50 metropolitan areas when you look at important variables like spending power. There is very little money to be made in that market, it's also a fairly irrelevant market when it comes to negotiating the next national television deal.

The Sacramento arena plan is still terrible. It's not unrealistic that if the Sac group somehow got a hold of this franchise that the arena deal completely falls apart. There is essentially zero chance a building in Sacramento could be done before one in Seattle, or even within a year. The process moves slower in California even than it does here. The other important factor is that Sacramento is barely getting by as a city. They have overextended themselves in terms of debt and now our attempting to work around the fact that their credit rating is awful by setting up a separate non-profit that can take on more debt on their behalf, except all of this money is really coming out of the city's general fund, which will likely take a nasty hit, and when the high interest bond payments aren't even made up by new arena revenue, that's going to come from the city as well. They want to go all in on a sports arena revitalizing their local economy, except it's make or break move with a huge emphasis on the break. It could wind up being a total disaster. It's really hard to say, since their arena plan has no actual details or hard numbers, just rosy projections that have been pulled out of thin air that don't seem to have any basis in reality. It's a disaster of a plan that could be derailed very easily.

The Sacramento ownership group is cobbled together, does not have the spending power that the Seattle group has, and is constantly in flux. We're talking about guys who openly came out and said they'd want to go for a "moneyball" type approach to building a basketball team, so in other words, more crap product, more revenue sharing going towards this team. The Seattle group will likely be a contributor into the revenue sharing pot and also has the potential to be a team that ends up paying money into the league via the luxury tax. Not a chance in Sacramento.

The two things Sacramento's hopes are relying on: sentimentality (well we know that doesn't matter) and Stern's ability to pull the owners' strings as a lame duck. The latter might be a threat, I've detailed in other posts why I think he could very well not be, as well. If Sacramento does keep the team, it will be both hard and funny seeing that fanbase delude itself into thinking that they fought hard and won, when it really was all Stern backroom politicking.

We have Sacramento beat in every facet of this. They did what they could, but it's not enough to beat Seattle in any area where it counts. They just aren't capable. They need the game to be rigged in their favor, because they can't win it otherwise. I don't put nefarious dealings past the NBA, obviously, so it's all possible. It'd just be a bonehead move.

I've often seen Sacramento fans claiming, similarly to Seattle fans, that if they don't come out of this with a team, they will be done with the NBA. Seattle fans say this because spurning a fanbase twice will alienate them from the league for a generation. Sacramento fans say this, openly, because they know that once the NBA is gone, they will be just like any other professional sports league, in that they will have no interest in Sacramento beyond letting the TV households trickle towards other markets' teams. "We're such a great market, you should stay. We're such a bad market, once you leave, you'll never want to come back."


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It's also worth noting that the team is valued so highly largely because of its mobility. It has no lease its locked into, etc., and Hansen obviously thinks that the team is worth that or more in Seattle. It's not in Sacramento. Part of their new arena plan includes a 30 year lease, as well. What will that team be worth then? Nothing. Not close to what Hansen was offering. It'll be a bad team in a weak economy that's being outpaced by other markets AND the team will be stuck there for at least 3 decades. Who in their right mind would ever pay top dollar for that team in the future? Then what happens if things don't go well? Nobody is going to want to buy that team. Would the league have to buy the team at some point? This is where the NBA's little love affairs with fledgling markets start to bite them.


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Man....reading through the comments on Sonicsrising is sooooo depressing today. Lots of negativity today to fuel my negativity.........uh.

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I love this part from stern today.

Stern said Seattle investors have done a lot of work and are well funded. He said the Sacramento bid is "in the ballpark." The Sacramento contingent shows a strong group of support and has stepped up. 

Lol in the ballpark my a** they do not have half of what they say. I have said it from the start it is all a show, make it look like they are giving them a chance but trust Hansen, think of what we have in hand right now.

1. Cash down (30 mill)

2. Land paid for in full lots of it, ( and can get more in the drop of a dime.)

3. Arena deal ready to go.

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Get a girlfriend lol

Imma choke half my Facebook friends for acting like bitches


Imma choke a certain .Net friend for actually being a bitch.


Hey what Roland does on the board has nothing to do with me

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Get a girlfriend lol

Imma choke half my Facebook friends for acting like bitches


Imma choke a certain .Net friend for actually being a bitch.


Hey what Roland does on the board has nothing to do with me


I will Wayne Brady yo ass!

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I will Wayne Brady yo ass!


aye man, after all these can we still cyber in the chat room on game days?

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aye man, after all these can we still cyber in the chat room on game days?


As long as you keep letting Bellingerga know it was me he booted.

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...That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval...


I disagree. I think a majority will approve relocation, making it that much more difficult to blow off Hansen's group on the sale with 8 votes.

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You're still going to have to earn back those massages though.


well that changes everything

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well that changes everything


You hurt me, I deserve some recompense!

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...That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval...


I disagree. I think a majority will approve relocation, making it that much more difficult to blow off Hansen's group on the sale with 8 votes.


In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really even matter in what order, they approve the PSA the team is gone, they approve the relocation then its safe to assume that Hansen owns the franchise.

The more I mull over it in my mind, when Stern says "We've never faced this before" it's true. This isn't like the Sonics relocation or any other. This is what I would characterize as a "snatch and dash" that Hansen is attempting. Whether some like it or not, Sacramento does deserve a chance to keep the team. Seattle was afforded this opportunity, except our politicians screwed us over royally by not even entertaining the idea, or being the least bit cooperative when Schultz's bitch ass came to 'em in the first place.

Sacramento though, I think is just coming up short everytime by not putting pen to paper and pledging anything. Hansen has done WORK to get into the NBA fraternity, I do not see them turning him away, Stern or not. Stern doesn't have pull with his bosses, he's lame duckin' it, the only person I think that really matters when it comes to it all is Adam Silver, and he's been pretty open with Seattle in the past and he seems to be good with Seattle now.

I'm not worrying, only time I'll worry is if they decline us. At that point, I'll wonder if the NBA will ever return in time and an age for me to even give a damn anymore, but I don't see it happening.

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You're still going to have to earn back those massages though.


well that changes everything


You hurt me, I deserve some recompense!


You didn't get the scooby doo pajamas I sent?

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