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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:04 pm
  • As a 33 year Laker fan, (I know some of you hate them. I get that often.) I've been hoping you guys would get your Sonics back. And still hope you do.

    I actually wish both teams could keep theirs, impossible but if there is enough money floating around for this bidding war just expand the damn league.

    And I HATE the Kings.. So had I a vote, I'd say eff em and their cowbells.

    Good luck..
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:07 pm
  • The thing about expansion is cutting that pie 31 ways vs. 30.

    Is an NBA with 31 teams with Seattle in the fold worth more than a 30 team NBA with Sacramento instead?

    I don't know enough about the financials, but I'd guess, unless only a handful of markets are net positives for the league, they would be.

    I think the worry for Sac is that when you consider expansion or just relocation and list the 4 possible outcomes in order of how they affect the value of the league, you get something like this:

    1. 30 team NBA with Seattle

    2-3. NBA with 31 teams and expansion in either Seattle or Sacramento

    3. 30 team NBA with Sacramento.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:24 pm
  • Dale Kasler @dakasler
    Mayor on offer to Maloofs: "They know the number." No breakdown in communication; says he doesn't know why they issued ultimatum
    3:16 AM - 11 Apr 13

    I guess this was said by KJ during halftime of the Kings game tonight.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:36 pm
  • Note that KJ can take a solid minute to imply that they're matching but can't say it unequivocally. There's a reason for that.

    They aren't matching and it's unlikely that they commit to do so. It's not easy to make money off of an NBA team in a middling market whose residents have little spending power with zero chance of the big bucks from an RSN. Putting down a $525m valuation ain't worth it, it'd be a charity move. Take into consideration that if they entered into a binding agreement with the Maloofs to match the offer if the Seattle bid is denied, they'd be doing so without a binding arena deal. They'd then own a grossly overpriced NBA team relative to its market and that city council would have a ton of leverage to work out a deal (keep in mind that they really haven't worked one out, just a list of ideas) in their favor.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:37 pm
  • At this point in time, the Kings/Sonics team is Schrödinger's cat, and Stern is the single decaying atom in the box.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:52 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Dale Kasler @dakasler
    Mayor on offer to Maloofs: "They know the number." No breakdown in communication; says he doesn't know why they issued ultimatum
    3:16 AM - 11 Apr 13

    I guess this was said by KJ during halftime of the Kings game tonight.

    Sounds like, Sac has a number and they're standing by it. If this is the case, bring on the champagne boys!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:53 pm
  • I'm disappointed.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:56 pm
  • Lol it took the maloofs to shut KJ up? BEAUTIFUL!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:02 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Lol it took the maloofs to shut KJ up? BEAUTIFUL!


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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:24 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:At this point in time, the Kings/Sonics team is Schrödinger's cat, and Stern is the single decaying atom in the box.


    Hahaha relevant.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:27 pm
  • This talk about stern trying to help sac is probably him just going through the motions in case things get ugly, he can say he did everything he could and doesn't look like he's completely abandoning sac.

    I'm starting to think Kj is doing the same thing. If he appears to be busting his ass trying to save the team he'll be a hero to the people of Sacramento after the team leaves and keep getting elected.

    I have a feeling this is all preemptive damage control and for the most part this is a done deal.

    The Seattle group has done an amazing job doing EVERYTHING right and the sac group has done way too little way too late.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:30 pm
  • Uh on............Pink, don't tell me you are wavering too........ :Dunno: ou were the only one keeping me somewhat away from the ledge.

    "It's a tough call but I agree. If Stern is not committed to just making sure the majority turns into an overwhelming consensus and is willing to go vote by vote to get his way, I think we lose. I do think the owners are all business, but I don’t think this will be a Stern v. BoG war, I think he can pry enough to give him a parting gift if this is all he really wants before retirement."
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:50 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Uh on............Pink, don't tell me you are wavering too........ :Dunno: ou were the only one keeping me somewhat away from the ledge.

    "It's a tough call but I agree. If Stern is not committed to just making sure the majority turns into an overwhelming consensus and is willing to go vote by vote to get his way, I think we lose. I do think the owners are all business, but I don’t think this will be a Stern v. BoG war, I think he can pry enough to give him a parting gift if this is all he really wants before retirement."

    NO. Don't you go on SonicsRising where I do my rollercoaster riding so I can come here and be a good Sonics-father to you!

    I do think Stern can pull this off if he wants his legacy to be a contentious fight to keep a team in a poor economic market just because it was his pet project. If he wants to fall on his sword and alienate a great ownership group just to play hero in his final year, even though he'd take a ton of flack for screwing Seattle underhandedly again, I think he probably has enough clout to pull in the favors to get only 8 owners to go that way.

    I don't think he will. I think he can be talked out of trying this, I'm not even sure he's committed to going all the way in this, just that if he prefers to be a commissioner that goes out in a blaze of glory pissing off most of his league's owners, I think he might be able to pull it off. He might also be asked to resign by the NBA for interfering and acting as an agent of the Sacramento investor group.

    So, do I think Stern could call in enough favors to keep the team in Sacramento if he's willing to bet his entire reputation on it? Sure.

    But you know what I believe is more likely? That I'm buying my boy Blitzer a beer at a Sonics game this year.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:50 pm
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:13 pm
  • Worth noting that Cuban said this a while back:

    "And so - whether Sacramento or any team - it's going to be up to somebody to go in there and acquire the team, and then make an application to move the team to Seattle. What I can tell you is I can't imagine any owner standing in the way of that. … I'd be shocked if any owner stood up and said that was a bad idea."
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:00 pm
  • What I will always cling to; Owners don't want to be told what to do by other Owners.

    This is not like the vote to approve the Sonics to OKC (when Cuban and Allen voted "no" or abstained from voting) due to the fact that this is a clear-cut move that drives up the value of the NBA as a product. Sacramento is the 11th most valuable team in the NBA; should the owners deny Hansen and his group, they are voting down the value of their own franchises.

    Balmer, Hanson and Nordstrom are not buying the team as a sound business move... it's definitely leaning towards "sports charity" and that is why Sacramento is having such a hard time. I view this exactly the same when Balmer offer Bennett and his group $350 for the Sonics contingent of getting the city and country to transfer the Arena tax to extend to KeyArena. A last ditch effort that is good in theory, but not based on any true backing.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:10 pm
  • sammyc521 wrote:What I will always cling to; Owners don't want to be told what to do by other Owners.

    This is not like the vote to approve the Sonics to OKC (when Cuban and Allen voted "no" or abstained from voting) due to the fact that this is a clear-cut move that drives up the value of the NBA as a product. Sacramento is the 11th most valuable team in the NBA; should the owners deny Hansen and his group, they are voting down the value of their own franchises.

    Balmer, Hanson and Nordstrom are not buying the team as a sound business move... it's definitely leaning towards "sports charity" and that is why Sacramento is having such a hard time. I view this exactly the same when Balmer offer Bennett and his group $350 for the Sonics contingent of getting the city and country to transfer the Arena tax to extend to KeyArena. A last ditch effort that is good in theory, but not based on any true backing.


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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:12 pm
  • I'm starting to feel like you don't value our friendship.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:39 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:I'm starting to feel like you don't value our friendship.


    You know that ain't true bruh bruh!
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:13 am
  • As someone who isnt really a sonic fan (no not really a blazer fan much either, since the jail blazer years i began to lose intrest. Then they signed with comcast, which made it so my part of the state couldnt see the games) it seems to me the Sactown people are blowing smoke. KJ continues to talk a good game, but yet he won't really say what the offer is and how they plan to purchase the land for the arena. In fact if they do keep the team, I won't be shocked to never see this arena built.

    It seems the Hansen group has been very forthright about the offer and new arena. Again from a spot of casual observer, the Seattle guys have there stuff together a lot more the sac people. In an ideal world I would want to see both city's get to have an NBA team, but if the owners have to choose I don't see at this point how Seattle doesn't get the team.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:32 am
  • What? I didn't say anything, sweet cheeks...
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:34 am
  • I could smell the bitch assness off you, booboo ;)
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:35 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Might as well kill this thread. Kings are staying put.

    Bet??
    One thing we know for sure....

    You can't get anyone from Sacramento to put down any actual money on this thing.

    If you lose the bet, you owe him $100, if he loses, he pledges that he'll give you a fair and competitive amount in return.

    Do i get odds?


    Ha ha. I can see your level of confidence.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:35 am
  • Throwdown wrote:I could smell the bitch assness off you, booboo ;)


    You're smelling your own juices emanating from my fingers, cupcake.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:37 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:I could smell the bitch assness off you, booboo ;)


    You're smelling your own juices emanating from my fingers, cupcake.


    Please, you couldn't touch this, i'm too high end.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:40 am
  • Throwdown wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:I could smell the bitch assness off you, booboo ;)


    You're smelling your own juices emanating from my fingers, cupcake.


    Please, you couldn't touch this, i'm too high end.


    Please, you're about as high end as Roland's Hyundai.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:42 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Please, you're about as high end as Roland's Hyundai.


    Roland drives a hyundai? christ that man needs life coach, maybe KJ can do it? He definetly won't be going any NBA games next season.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:45 am
  • pinksheets wrote:Note that KJ can take a solid minute to imply that they're matching but can't say it unequivocally. There's a reason for that.

    They aren't matching and it's unlikely that they commit to do so. It's not easy to make money off of an NBA team in a middling market whose residents have little spending power with zero chance of the big bucks from an RSN. Putting down a $525m valuation ain't worth it, it'd be a charity move. Take into consideration that if they entered into a binding agreement with the Maloofs to match the offer if the Seattle bid is denied, they'd be doing so without a binding arena deal. They'd then own a grossly overpriced NBA team relative to its market and that city council would have a ton of leverage to work out a deal (keep in mind that they really haven't worked one out, just a list of ideas) in their favor.

    That's a great point. If the highest-valued team in history is in Seattle with Hanson's already-approved Temple of Solomon, that's one thing, but if its' the half-ass Kings without an arena, the owners are absolutely screwed. This friday demand feels like a very carefully concieved power move by high-level corporate lawyers who know precisely what the stakes are for the Sac group.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:46 am
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:At this point in time, the Kings/Sonics team is Schrödinger's cat, and Stern is the single decaying atom in the box.

    Are you expostulating the team could potentially become both the Sonics AND the Kings?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:47 am
  • Seems fair that if the NBA turns down the bid for the Kings that they somehow make up for the good faith effort Hansen/Balmer folks made with the non-refundable $30M. All this could be just to firm up the Sac group's offer so that there are no questions if the BoG decide to turn down the sale. Just like the Maloof's request for a firm, in writing offer sheet to them that they have as a backup offer.

    This is a unique situation where a second competing offer is in play instead of a straight yes/no on a group purchasing a team. Usually the BoG just reviews a sale on its merits alone. This Sac/NBA option should have been viewed on its own merit but the owner chose not to work with the locals and the NBA is trying to save face after the disaster that was OKC/Seattle relocation approval.

    I consider these recent actions just due diligence and not totally tied to how the BoG and owners are leaning as far as approving/rejecting the Hansen deal. The Stern/NBA split story could be misreading actions vs intent as well.

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:30 am
  • Throwdown wrote:What the hell is going on?

    http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... Kings.aspx

    I'm not liking that at all, all of a sudden the NBA wants to be charitable? and shut your punk ass face, Sac!


    You have got to be kidding me.......NBA is against us again!

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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:10 pm
  • I hope Sacramento suffers for this
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:25 pm
  • Daniels was just on Bob & Groz. Sounding (to me) like nobody knows what's really going on. The one thing that seems quite possible, is that Stern actually is holding Sacramento's hand through this thing.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:27 pm
  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:Daniels was just on Bob & Groz. Sounding (to me) like nobody knows what's really going on. The one thing that seems quite possible, is that Stern actually is holding Sacramento's hand through this thing.


    I just heard that, the best thing about it is that we have owners on our side right now, and Stern may not have the pull that he once had.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:30 pm
  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:Daniels was just on Bob & Groz. Sounding (to me) like nobody knows what's really going on. The one thing that seems quite possible, is that Stern actually is holding Sacramento's hand through this thing.


    Stern still has some pull with the owners or at least enough of the owners no matter what CD and others say. Him being on Sac's side scares me to death.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:33 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:
    E.C. Laloosh wrote:Daniels was just on Bob & Groz. Sounding (to me) like nobody knows what's really going on. The one thing that seems quite possible, is that Stern actually is holding Sacramento's hand through this thing.


    Stern still has some pull with the owners or at least enough of the owners no matter what CD and others say. Him being on Sac's side scares me to death.


    How much pull is it really though? The toad is on his way out next season, how much does Stern scare these guys?
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:36 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:
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    E.C. Laloosh wrote:Daniels was just on Bob & Groz. Sounding (to me) like nobody knows what's really going on. The one thing that seems quite possible, is that Stern actually is holding Sacramento's hand through this thing.


    Stern still has some pull with the owners or at least enough of the owners no matter what CD and others say. Him being on Sac's side scares me to death.


    How much pull is it really though? The toad is on his way out next season, how much does Stern scare these guys?


    He's only got to have pull with eight of them... that is what concerns me.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:40 pm
  • If the nba turns down this deal they truely are screwed. They can never ask cities to put up money for
    arenas. If they turn this one down.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:59 pm
  • Stern created this whole mess

    Expansion is the only thing they can do to satisfy both parties without stupidity coming into play
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:31 pm
  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:How much pull is it really though? The toad is on his way out next season, how much does Stern scare these guys?


    He's only got to have pull with eight of them... that is what concerns me.


    Thats how I feel. I think he still has enough pull to get 8 owners on his side.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:42 pm
  • dunceface wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:At this point in time, the Kings/Sonics team is Schrödinger's cat, and Stern is the single decaying atom in the box.


    Hahaha relevant.


    Glad somebody got it.

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    Seahawk Sailor wrote:At this point in time, the Kings/Sonics team is Schrödinger's cat, and Stern is the single decaying atom in the box.

    Are you expostulating the team could potentially become both the Sonics AND the Kings?


    No. Only that right now the team exists, as does the hypothetical Schrödinger's cat, in two distinct realities, both as the Kings and as the Sonics. From now until the meeting on the 18th/19th, the team is in limbo, status unknown, equally Kings and Sonics at the same time. And Stern is the single decaying atom in the box that decides the fate. There is no way of knowing that fate until after the meetings adjourn.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:49 pm
  • It does not make any $$ sense for the Kings to stay. The owners share the media monies. Seattle is a much larger market both corporate HQ and media. Money talks and in the end IMO that is all the owners will care about.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:49 pm
  • IMHO, if this thing goes past NEXT friday (not tomorrow the one after that), expansion will happen and soon. IMO it makes sense to let the Seattle group have the Kings and give the Sac group a year to come up with a real true BINDING OFFER and a BINDING new arena deal that is rock solid that isnt built on the house of cards that the current Sac deal is. If the sac group cames up with a solid binding offer and binding new arena deal then they get an expansion team and only miss a season.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:13 pm
  • Stern is pretending so he doesn't look the way he did when he sent the Sonics to OKC.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:22 pm
  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:Stern is pretending so he doesn't look the way he did when he sent the Sonics to OKC.


    That's what I was kind of thinking.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:50 pm
  • Either way, the last 2 days things got uglier than a Master P album cover from back in the day
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:08 pm
  • http://sulia.com/ricbucher/f/5132abbc-1 ... c417238ad/

    Source: Sacramento could have a harder time keeping Kevin Johnson than keeping the Kings at this point. As it
    stands, if the current Sacramento group matches the essential elements of the agreement with the group in Seattle, the league committee weighing the two offers is expected to recommend keeping the Kings where they are....
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:12 pm
  • All I know is I am sick and tired of the back and forth in the news. I just want it over with. Yes, I want the Sonics home but at this point, I'm just wanting this whole stupid thing over already. Sick of hearing about all the disappointing twists and turns on the news. It's like peeling away that band-aid with hair underneath super, super slowly versus tearing the bastard off at once and being done with it.
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Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:14 pm
  • Aros wrote:All I know is I am sick and tired of the back and forth in the news. I just want it over with. Yes, I want the Sonics home but at this point, I'm just wanting this whole stupid thing over already. Sick of hearing about all the disappointing twists and turns on the news. It's like peeling away that band-aid with hair underneath super, super slowly versus tearing the bastard off at once and being done with it.


    Pretty much.

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