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 Post subject: Re: NBA returning to Seattle?
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I think it's neutral. It depends on who made that maneuver. It can be bad or good, for both Blitzer's reason or mine.


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I think it's neutral. It depends on who made that maneuver. It can be bad or good, for both Blitzer's reason or mine.


See I hate seeing you say that! Your supposed to help me step away from the ledge. Now I feel :pukeface:

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I don't want to spin anything, just look at it as rationally as possible. I don't know why they want to vote on relocation first, so it's hard to make a judgment on it.

The thing you need to remember most is this: Are these guys really going to make a financial decision this bad just to appease Stern or out of sentiment?

I still really doubt it.

The Sacramento group has no intention to match the Seattle offer. Franchise valuations fall back to earth.

While Sacramento is a top 20 market in terms of TV households, it also has no potential for an RSN, and tends to fall out of the top 50 metropolitan areas when you look at important variables like spending power. There is very little money to be made in that market, it's also a fairly irrelevant market when it comes to negotiating the next national television deal.

The Sacramento arena plan is still terrible. It's not unrealistic that if the Sac group somehow got a hold of this franchise that the arena deal completely falls apart. There is essentially zero chance a building in Sacramento could be done before one in Seattle, or even within a year. The process moves slower in California even than it does here. The other important factor is that Sacramento is barely getting by as a city. They have overextended themselves in terms of debt and now our attempting to work around the fact that their credit rating is awful by setting up a separate non-profit that can take on more debt on their behalf, except all of this money is really coming out of the city's general fund, which will likely take a nasty hit, and when the high interest bond payments aren't even made up by new arena revenue, that's going to come from the city as well. They want to go all in on a sports arena revitalizing their local economy, except it's make or break move with a huge emphasis on the break. It could wind up being a total disaster. It's really hard to say, since their arena plan has no actual details or hard numbers, just rosy projections that have been pulled out of thin air that don't seem to have any basis in reality. It's a disaster of a plan that could be derailed very easily.

The Sacramento ownership group is cobbled together, does not have the spending power that the Seattle group has, and is constantly in flux. We're talking about guys who openly came out and said they'd want to go for a "moneyball" type approach to building a basketball team, so in other words, more crap product, more revenue sharing going towards this team. The Seattle group will likely be a contributor into the revenue sharing pot and also has the potential to be a team that ends up paying money into the league via the luxury tax. Not a chance in Sacramento.

The two things Sacramento's hopes are relying on: sentimentality (well we know that doesn't matter) and Stern's ability to pull the owners' strings as a lame duck. The latter might be a threat, I've detailed in other posts why I think he could very well not be, as well. If Sacramento does keep the team, it will be both hard and funny seeing that fanbase delude itself into thinking that they fought hard and won, when it really was all Stern backroom politicking.

We have Sacramento beat in every facet of this. They did what they could, but it's not enough to beat Seattle in any area where it counts. They just aren't capable. They need the game to be rigged in their favor, because they can't win it otherwise. I don't put nefarious dealings past the NBA, obviously, so it's all possible. It'd just be a bonehead move.

I've often seen Sacramento fans claiming, similarly to Seattle fans, that if they don't come out of this with a team, they will be done with the NBA. Seattle fans say this because spurning a fanbase twice will alienate them from the league for a generation. Sacramento fans say this, openly, because they know that once the NBA is gone, they will be just like any other professional sports league, in that they will have no interest in Sacramento beyond letting the TV households trickle towards other markets' teams. "We're such a great market, you should stay. We're such a bad market, once you leave, you'll never want to come back."


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It's also worth noting that the team is valued so highly largely because of its mobility. It has no lease its locked into, etc., and Hansen obviously thinks that the team is worth that or more in Seattle. It's not in Sacramento. Part of their new arena plan includes a 30 year lease, as well. What will that team be worth then? Nothing. Not close to what Hansen was offering. It'll be a bad team in a weak economy that's being outpaced by other markets AND the team will be stuck there for at least 3 decades. Who in their right mind would ever pay top dollar for that team in the future? Then what happens if things don't go well? Nobody is going to want to buy that team. Would the league have to buy the team at some point? This is where the NBA's little love affairs with fledgling markets start to bite them.


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Man....reading through the comments on Sonicsrising is sooooo depressing today. Lots of negativity today to fuel my negativity.........uh.

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I love this part from stern today.

Stern said Seattle investors have done a lot of work and are well funded. He said the Sacramento bid is "in the ballpark." The Sacramento contingent shows a strong group of support and has stepped up. 

Lol in the ballpark my a** they do not have half of what they say. I have said it from the start it is all a show, make it look like they are giving them a chance but trust Hansen, think of what we have in hand right now.

1. Cash down (30 mill)

2. Land paid for in full lots of it, ( and can get more in the drop of a dime.)

3. Arena deal ready to go.

4. And are you readdy for it..... A SIGNED DEAL TO BUY THE TEAM.


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Imma choke half my Facebook friends for acting like bitches


Imma choke a certain .Net friend for actually being a bitch.


Hey what Roland does on the board has nothing to do with me

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Imma choke a certain .Net friend for actually being a bitch.


Hey what Roland does on the board has nothing to do with me


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aye man, after all these can we still cyber in the chat room on game days?

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aye man, after all these can we still cyber in the chat room on game days?


As long as you keep letting Bellingerga know it was me he booted.

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...That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval...


I disagree. I think a majority will approve relocation, making it that much more difficult to blow off Hansen's group on the sale with 8 votes.

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well that changes everything


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...That is true, but again it does seem fishy that they have decided to have the relo vote before the sale approval...


I disagree. I think a majority will approve relocation, making it that much more difficult to blow off Hansen's group on the sale with 8 votes.


In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really even matter in what order, they approve the PSA the team is gone, they approve the relocation then its safe to assume that Hansen owns the franchise.

The more I mull over it in my mind, when Stern says "We've never faced this before" it's true. This isn't like the Sonics relocation or any other. This is what I would characterize as a "snatch and dash" that Hansen is attempting. Whether some like it or not, Sacramento does deserve a chance to keep the team. Seattle was afforded this opportunity, except our politicians screwed us over royally by not even entertaining the idea, or being the least bit cooperative when Schultz's bitch ass came to 'em in the first place.

Sacramento though, I think is just coming up short everytime by not putting pen to paper and pledging anything. Hansen has done WORK to get into the NBA fraternity, I do not see them turning him away, Stern or not. Stern doesn't have pull with his bosses, he's lame duckin' it, the only person I think that really matters when it comes to it all is Adam Silver, and he's been pretty open with Seattle in the past and he seems to be good with Seattle now.

I'm not worrying, only time I'll worry is if they decline us. At that point, I'll wonder if the NBA will ever return in time and an age for me to even give a damn anymore, but I don't see it happening.

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well that changes everything


You hurt me, I deserve some recompense!


You didn't get the scooby doo pajamas I sent?

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The big difference in the Sonics relocation and the Kings purchase/relocation effort is that the Sonics sale was separate from the relocation effort. If Bennett had been truthful like Larry Ellison then the local folks here in Seattle probably put up a similar effort to try and halt the sale by getting a group to counter (Schultz can pound sand). Everyone knew the outcome was going to be a relocation but they had to give Bennett the benefit of the doubt.

I doubt Nickels would have fought as hard as Johnson. If Hansen bought the team and promised Sactown a chance to build a stadium, he could have played it the same way Bennett did. Sometimes being a snake has its advantages.

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Bennett was going to relocate the Sonics, and you will never convince me that Stern didn't know all along. So forgive me if I don't see a massive difference between the Kings now and Sonics then.

I know selling the team requires a league vote, but is the relocation a committee or league vote? Because no Cali team is going to vote for relocation, and those owners have friends. Which to me would account for why Stern has been way too kind in describing the Sacramento offer.

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Relocation just needs a majority vote, the PSA needs at least 23 votes to pass.

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Bennett was going to relocate the Sonics, and you will never convince me that Stern didn't know all along. So forgive me if I don't see a massive difference between the Kings now and Sonics then.


Stern knew but it was an easier sell job to only have to vote on Bennett on his merit as being financially viable to buy the team. Relocation was not on the table so it was can this guy and his colleagues buy the Sonics and meet our criteria. Big difference from Hansen, who has put in a relocation request in conjunction with an offer to purchase. Big difference to me, maybe not to you, but the owners back then could state it was only a vote to approve Bennett as the owner.

Later they had to deal with the relocation request. Big difference to me. Not trying to sell anyone on this. Stern is called into question regarding the Sonics once relocation was put on the table. Which was a few years after the purchase.

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Morning Reading: @kbergcbs writes NBA Owners ‘50-50’ on dueling Kings Offers as Vote Approaches: http://ow.ly/kfIsr

For those of us that thought the owners might be smarter and see how superior the Seattle offer is compared to the Sac offer, guess we are thinking too highly of them.

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"I believe it's 50/50, one owner said"

To throwdown that means "i ain't telling you nuffin"

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"I believe it's 50/50, one owner said"

To throwdown that means "i ain't telling you nuffin"


See.....I hear that as, "Its 50/50 with the incumbent city ahead because of Stern."

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"I believe it's 50/50, one owner said"

To throwdown that means "i ain't telling you nuffin"


See.....I hear that as, "Its 50/50 with the incumbent city ahead because of Stern."


You're also afraid to go outside and get your ass whooped by me on Madden, your interpretation means NUFFIN!

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To throwdown that means "i ain't telling you nuffin"


To Sac, talking about yourself in the third person means you're a douche bag.

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To throwdown that means "i ain't telling you nuffin"


To Sac, talking about yourself in the third person means you're a douche bag.


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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.


Stern has a beef with Daniels, its awkward as hell.

God, what a dick! I'm starting to really believe Stern is trying to screw over Seattle.

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Interesting exchange between Chris Daniels and Stern during his presser here:

Q. Question for both of you. Commissioner Stern, are you trying to influence this decision one way or the other or trying to push the owners of the NBA one way or the other in making this decision?

STERN: Actually, despite what you’ve written and said, the answer is no.

Q. Well, I’m glad to know that you do read our website and watch our TV station so I appreciate that.

STERN: I’m waiting to see something accurate.


Stern has a beef with Daniels, its awkward as hell.

God, what a dick! I'm starting to really believe Stern is trying to screw over Seattle.


I knew he was trying to screw Seattle as soon reports came out that he has been leading or providing bidders to the Sac group.

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All I can say is TRUST OUR GROUP. They have done a lot of work and have everything plus some to get this done. We can hear and say whatever but the only people that know for sure what will happen is the BOG.

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Imma just drop on out of this seeing as its become a pity party.


Sure, because it would be a pity for the HBN, the city and fan base to have to go through this process just to left out in the cold again. Additionally, you too can't tell me that you aren't at least somewhat concerned by the fact that Stern seems to be doing everything in his power to prevent Seattle from getting a team right? And don't try and convince me that he isn't because it is pretty clear that he is. Its hard to be positive 24/7 when all you hear is about how its 50/50 or Sac is gaining momentum as well as so many things seemingly beginning to be stacked against you or things be dragged out for God knows what reason.

OK...now back to watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III the Movie to bring me back to happy times.

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Look at it this way. How rich is our group? ? How did they get that rich?? Ok now think about this....

Why would our group give 30mill cash down plus go and buy all the land that they did, if they did not know something. Plus how much all the fees for court and lawyers. these guys are businessmen here to make money not lose it. they have been working on this for a long time we don't know what they had work out prior to going public for all we know this is all been done since the beginning. plus if you remember a few months before all this became public Stern himself said he would do anything in his power to get a team back in Seattle before he retires. just think of all the stuff he had said when we lost the Sonics he blew smoke up everybody's butt everyday. stern just needs to make it look like he is giving them a chance. the group we have here in Seattle is way too strong with way too much money to just walk away from these men are here to win not lose.


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We rally at the wealth of the Seattle group, you have to really look at Sacramento as well, they may not have the consolidated wealth of Balmer and Hansen, but they are filthy rich as well, they are businessmen, they are in to make money. They are also where the team is and no matter what unless you have a tow truck and hi jack the team nobody is driving the Kings out of Sacramento without the keys. Stern is the voice of the people that have the Keys.

Stern is in a win win situation right now, if he gets the approval for the Hansen group he brought basketball back to Seattle, if he pushes for the Kings to stay in California he saved basketball in Sacramento, either way he can push the blame game on the board of governers and stand up and be the good guy now.

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We rally at the wealth of the Seattle group, you have to really look at Sacramento as well, they may not have the consolidated wealth of Balmer and Hansen, but they are filthy rich as well, they are businessmen, they are in to make money. They are also where the team is and no matter what unless you have a tow truck and hi jack the team nobody is driving the Kings out of Sacramento without the keys. Stern is the voice of the people that have the Keys.

Stern is in a win win situation right now, if he gets the approval for the Hansen group he brought basketball back to Seattle, if he pushes for the Kings to stay in California he saved basketball in Sacramento, either way he can push the blame game on the board of governers and stand up and be the good guy now.



they may be in it for money too but they haven't put as much money into it as Seattle Seattle would not have done that if it didn't know something yes Stern is the voice but you have to trust Hansen. we also have something the Sacramento does not we have a signed agreement with 30 million cash down land purchased and ready. I will agree with you on stern will look good no matter what way this goes.


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We rally at the wealth of the Seattle group, you have to really look at Sacramento as well, they may not have the consolidated wealth of Balmer and Hansen, but they are filthy rich as well, they are businessmen, they are in to make money. They are also where the team is and no matter what unless you have a tow truck and hi jack the team nobody is driving the Kings out of Sacramento without the keys. Stern is the voice of the people that have the Keys.

Stern is in a win win situation right now, if he gets the approval for the Hansen group he brought basketball back to Seattle, if he pushes for the Kings to stay in California he saved basketball in Sacramento, either way he can push the blame game on the board of governers and stand up and be the good guy now.



they may be in it for money too but they haven't put as much money into it as Seattle Seattle would not have done that if it didn't know something yes Stern is the voice but you have to trust Hansen. we also have something the Sacramento does not we have a signed agreement with 30 million cash down land purchased and ready. I will agree with you on stern will look good no matter what way this goes.


Same could be said for the Sac group, maybe they are continuing what they are doing because they know something is going on in the background that favors them.

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Looks like Nickels and Brewer were re-hashing some of the same ideas on how KJ and Sactown are slightly different in their minds from the bail job Schultz, Nickels and others did back in 2008

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First, there was no opportunity for Nickels to put together a local ownership group to combat Howard Schultz's decision in July 2006 to sell the Sonics to Bennett. Three months later, the NBA Board of Governors gave unanimous approval to that sale. There wasn't a debate like this Sacramento/Seattle fight because relocation wasn't on the table. Bennett had promised to give the region 12 months to work out an arena deal before he considered moving the team.


If you feel like reading more from Nickels, here you go:

http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybrewer/2020826794_brewer21.html

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Slight correction: The people with the keys to the Kings are the Maloofs. They own the team. They could Al Davis the team to whatever city they wanted if need be. The NBA is an association, there is no owner of the NBA, it's a cartel of owners that runs against antitrust law quite often. If the NBA wants to assert that they actually have the keys, it's a big gamble on whether or not the Maloofs would like to challenge that notion (they'd win in court, more likely than not).


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A relocation vote should come down to:
Would you rather own an NBA franchise in Seattle or Sacramento?

That’s the question the NBA owners will be answering FOR another owner.

How would they vote if it were for their own team?

I don’t think there’d be a single ‘no’ vote if that were the criteria. Seattle is the easy choice. Even Ranadive and Mastrov would jump at the chance to own this team in Seattle as opposed to Sacramento.


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A relocation vote should come down to:
Would you rather own an NBA franchise in Seattle or Sacramento?

That’s the question the NBA owners will be answering FOR another owner.

How would they vote if it were for their own team?

I don’t think there’d be a single ‘no’ vote if that were the criteria. Seattle is the easy choice. Even Ranadive and Mastrov would jump at the chance to own this team in Seattle as opposed to Sacramento.


This is an extremely complicated vote.

Pro-Seattle:
A sturdy ownership group that has all it's ducks in a row.
Top 15 market (remember that new upcoming TV deal)
Would pay into profit sharing instead of receiving.
Built-in fanbase
New arena is very far along and ready to break ground almost immediately
Already have a purchase agreement

Pro-Sacramento:
Political and fan support
Good ownership group
Probably able to build arena almost as quickly
Team already is in Sacramento

Honestly, I would hate to be the NBA making this decision. The only win-win is immediate expansion for Seattle while Sacramento stays and that's incredibly unlikely.

Stern has given Sacramento every opportunity to keep the team and I think Sacramento almost has done enough, but it's not without alienating Seattle.

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I'd take away being able to build the arena almost as quickly from that list. All indications are we are talking about years of separation between the two arenas.

I'd just say it's only that complicated if you consolidate all of the numerous factors where Seattle beats Sacramento in economics (which would be all of them) into "top 15 market". There is no spending power in Sacramento, the residents are jobless in a way not proportionate to other markets and have little spending power. There's very little money in Sacramento and their argument of "support" relies heavily on attendance, which is no longer a strong revenue stream in comparison to others, for the NBA.

This is not a complicated decision when it comes to money, it's only complicated if NBA owners want to declare that all hosting cities are entitled to a hometown discount before any sale or relocation of a team. The NBA, just like every other major professional sport league, would want nothing to do with Sacramento fi they were not already there. It's an absolutely awful market to be in.

Sacramento has put up a respectable last minute effort, but unfortunately, Seattle has won in every objective measure. The only hope Sacramento has is David Stern being able to pull for them politically. They've lost in terms of market, ownership group, size of bid, etc. Which isn't surprising, because there is just no god damn money in Sacramento.


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Keeping the team in Sacramento would be 99% public relations. Sacramento is not equal to Seattle in every other respect... well I would say that -at-arena- fan support maybe equal, but even that is a minor benefit.

I've heard a lot of arguments that the NBA's bread and butter is smaller markets. That's the biggest joke I've ever heard. The only reason OKC is worthwhile is because they were a new franchise AND once the new car smell wore off, title contenders. The cornerstones of the league are the BIG markets. NY, Chicago, LA, Philly, Dallas, Boston...

The only justification for keeping the team in Sacramento is that the NBA set lofty goals as far as arenas and ownership, which KJ and Sacramento surprisingly (or at least very closely) met, and they don't want to look like assholes.

Seattle is better for the NBA. To be clear, this has absolutely nothing to do with fan support by Sacramento, which has been solid.

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Has it? Sacramento has ditched its team under bad ownership more so than Seattle did towards the end. I have no idea what the measurements for solid fan support are, but I'm not sure Sacramento meets any of them. Limited ticket sales that are blamed on bad ownership but happen to be correlated nicely with the drop off in the local economy and little to no retail spending power bu the populus.

The NBA can either make money or donate it at this point. Sacramento is a charity case for any professional sports league that wants to reside there. Which is why there, so far, is only one even remotely considering it (the one that made the mistake of being there decades ago).


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So, in other words, stay tuned :180670: Jiminy Crickets, 70 pages... had no idea there was this much interest in the Sonics in .net land :shock:

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So, in other words, stay tuned :180670: Jiminy Crickets, 70 pages... had no idea there was this much interest in the Sonics in .net land :shock:


I love the Sonics more than I do the Seahawks :)

Basketball is the greatest sport in the WORLD!!! Damn Soccer and Cricket, and whatever else they play in the world.

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So, in other words, stay tuned :180670: Jiminy Crickets, 70 pages... had no idea there was this much interest in the Sonics in .net land :shock:


I love the Sonics more than I do the Seahawks :)

Basketball is the greatest sport in the WORLD!!! Damn Soccer and Cricket, and whatever else they play in the world.


Not much of a basketball fan personally, but... I did get hooked on the Sonics in the 90s :thirishdrinkers:

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