hawksman53 wrote:These are the only 2 guys the Mariners will aquire ( Bay and Morales) and then they will sugar coat it to look like they did something great and will also lie and say they made a hard push at Hamilton
Wow, so much wrong with tho post, it's laughable!
First off, no one from the M's organization is talking Hamilton, baseball writers wrote about the hard push from the Ms to sign Hamilton, he simply didn't want to be here. And secondly, no one from the M's organization is saying anything about Jason Bay. Just insecure non-fans like yourself who don't know much about baseball are screaming about a ST invite to Bay. Thirdly, Morales is a legit middle of the order bat that we got for an overrated back end of the rotation SP. Why wouldn't fans be excited about that?!
Geoff Baker per Hamilton:"What the Mariners offered was a bid in which they hoped by some reason not known to any of us that the Rangers might just sour on Hamilton and pull out of the chase at the very best. And if that happened? Celebration time in Seattle! The low bid turns out to be the winner by default, the Mariners walk away with what anybody would have called an absolute bargain last June and everyone in the Emerald City hails the conquering heroes.
And if that miracle doesn’t occur? If the Rangers actually do go four years to try to keep Hamilton? Well then, the Mariners, having never expected to really win the bidding with their safe, lower offer, can still point to the $100 million amount and those vesting options and claim “We tried!”
Whether or not he wanted to be here is beside the point (and why would he? It's Seattle, no SoCal); they pitched an offer, by their own admission, that was undervalued just in case they get lucky. They weren't going after Hamilton in so much as they were hoping he would fall into their lap, which is hardly what a good organization does when they identify a player that can fill two needs, namely run production and reversing fan apathy.
As far as addressing Jason Bay, it's a moot point as he won't be here after spring training. You're correct in that the organization is not promoting Bay as an important addition, but his addition in and of itself signals to many casual fans that they're not serious about bringing in mid-level ($$) free agents. Rather, it's about "upside" and "no risk" and "this guy is getting cut anyway but-oh-look he's having a nice little spring" bullshit. We've heard this for so long, we've seen the Scott Spezios and Rich Aurilias and Brad Wilkersons, we (casual fans that truly fuel the team revenue and profitability) know shit from Shinola. Jason Bay is shit, they're going to try to make him Shinola.
As far as labeling someone an "insecure non-fan" because they disagree with you, well that's sort of punk. I've been reading that garbage on that cupcake of a forum "USSMariner.com" for the last several years. Agree with us, you're smart. Disagree with us, you're a bad fan. Ironic that those casual, "bad fans" are the ones that drive revenue for the team; I think ten years of declining attendance which mirrors a malaise of competitiveness and lack of excitement bears that out. You can stick every Sabermetric sychophant "real fan" in the Seattle-area in Safeco, where they can stretch out during a 4-2 loss to the Royals, and they'll have plenty of room to move about because the place is two-thirds empty. Casual fans drive the bus, not the "real fans"; if they aren't being entertained, they aren't showing up.
Lastly, the last big-name acquisition from the Angels, the F/A signing of Chone Figgins was a disaster. I think it's very fair of fans (good, bad and otherwise) to be cautious of what Morales can do in a Mariners uniforms vs. an Angels one. The false bill of goods sold to us last time (and drooled over and praised and bromanced by those twits at USSMariner) is still fresh. I think Morales will be fine, but he's not going to bring anybody to the ballpark based on his own performance; Felix is the only one that can do that. Again, casual fans need entertainment and I don't believe Morales (nor anybody else they'll acquire before spring ball) is going to generate that.
The M's are screwed, namely do to the Rangers, Angels and A's. Two will spend money and are attractive to free agents, one will go cheap and outsmart many (though they'll never win anything) and one will be spinning their wheels. Diehard, casual, smart, dumb...you don't need a label to understand which ones will be the 2013 Mariners.
PS: Not a Vargas fan, but isn't that argument (overated, back-end starter) the same one that was applied to R.A. Dickey? Remember him, right? Guy that got optioned to the minors? Guy that walked and five years later won a Cy Young? Vargas isn't back-end, he's 3/4 - depending on the team. He has value; to diminish his success (and volume of innings pitched) based upon Safeco is silly. He just may be a better pitcher now that he's in Anaheim, thanks to a team that has a real offense and spends money aggressively; they'll overcome his Safeco-dynamic by blasting a million homeruns for him (something the M's never did). They got value in this deal w/Morales, but they needed to keep their pitching and ADD hitting to progress. This is sort of a wash...