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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:56 am
  • What a nightmare. 1-0 up at 90 minutes - lose 2-1. Our depth is non-existent. Everton were better all game to be fair. Spurs decent in the build up but very conservative once we got the ball near their area. Must be more aggressive.

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:02 am
  • What a win for the Reds.. so needed. Great Sunday for the EPL in honesty.

    Hawkspur... i know its a hard one, but is AVB the man for that job?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:07 am
  • Fantastic match, the Liverpool one. They were dead in the water, then that Joe cCole strike brought them to life. Could have had 4 or 5, to be honest. Clear-cut penalty not called against Shelvey. How many is that for us this season? Unreal. Anyway, massive win for the Reds, and could be a turning point in the season for them. The race for 4th is as clear as mud, look at what Arsenal were able to do last season.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:13 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:What a win for the Reds.. so needed. Great Sunday for the EPL in honesty.

    Hawkspur... i know its a hard one, but is AVB the man for that job?


    Jury's still out for me but I'm not a fan of sitting deep to protect a lead and the cautiousness around the Everton box today was infuriating. We get in positions to get shots at goal but seem to be doing an Arsenal and trying to pass the ball into the net.

    I wasn't a fan of the appointment initially but have given him the benefit of the doubt until now. If we remain this cautious then no, he is not the right man for the job. I still like the bloke who was managing the winning side today, although I suspect his wage packet might be too much for Levy's sensibilities.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:21 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Fantastic match, the Liverpool one. They were dead in the water, then that Joe cCole strike brought them to life. Could have had 4 or 5, to be honest. Clear-cut penalty not called against Shelvey. How many is that for us this season? Unreal. Anyway, massive win for the Reds, and could be a turning point in the season for them. The race for 4th is as clear as mud, look at what Arsenal were able to do last season.



    Only 4 points from 4th... and what do we have to do to win a pen? its astonishing.. and I hated the pen call on Joe Allen. I understood it, just hate that type of call.

    Anyways, great performance from the boys this evening. and the build up play and Joe Cole's run and finish was sublime.

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:43 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:Fantastic match, the Liverpool one. They were dead in the water, then that Joe cCole strike brought them to life. Could have had 4 or 5, to be honest. Clear-cut penalty not called against Shelvey. How many is that for us this season? Unreal. Anyway, massive win for the Reds, and could be a turning point in the season for them. The race for 4th is as clear as mud, look at what Arsenal were able to do last season.



    Only 4 points from 4th... and what do we have to do to win a pen? its astonishing.. and I hated the pen call on Joe Allen. I understood it, just hate that type of call.

    Anyways, great performance from the boys this evening. and the build up play and Joe Cole's run and finish was sublime.

    Huntelaar, Walcott, Diame and an wing back in January


    No to Walcott. I'd sooner have Demba Ba, apparently we're linked with him, and there's a 7.5 mil buyout clause for him.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:36 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:Huntelaar, Walcott, Diame and an wing back in January


    Diame's apparently out for 3 months and Arsenal apparently will block every move for Walcott in January and risk losing him in the summer for nothing. As for Huntelaar, Arsenal are the big favorites to sign him, with French newspaper L'Equipe reporting that a deal has already been completed, and even if that's true, I doubt Huntelaar would ditch a club in the Champions League, and essentially demote himself, for a Europa League side. If Liverpool were to get any of those guys it'd be big for them but each have massive hurdles to leap over.

    No thanks to Spurs, Arsenal fall back behind Everton while Liverpool keeps West Ham from doing the same. I think we all need to agree that this has gotta be the most competitive the EPL has ever been, seeing as we're in December and the difference between 4th place and 12th place being only 4 points.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:28 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Huntelaar, Walcott, Diame and an wing back in January


    Diame's apparently out for 3 months and Arsenal apparently will block every move for Walcott in January and risk losing him in the summer for nothing. As for Huntelaar, Arsenal are the big favorites to sign him, with French newspaper L'Equipe reporting that a deal has already been completed, and even if that's true, I doubt Huntelaar would ditch a club in the Champions League, and essentially demote himself, for a Europa League side. If Liverpool were to get any of those guys it'd be big for them but each have massive hurdles to leap over.

    No thanks to Spurs, Arsenal fall back behind Everton while Liverpool keeps West Ham from doing the same. I think we all need to agree that this has gotta be the most competitive the EPL has ever been, seeing as we're in December and the difference between 4th place and 12th place being only 4 points.


    Real bummer about Diame as well. He was controlling the Liverpool game and having a real nice year.

    You continually overestimate the allure of Champions League over tradition... or let's just say global popularity. And Im not worried about any speculation surrounding players at this time. You call it a "demotion" to play for the most storied club in the EPL, maybe in Europe. Sad you havent figured it out yet. Ofcourse this is versus choosing a club like Arsenal who you have said yourself may be moving on from Arsene, so why would he go there? for maybe 3-4 more games? Sure.

    As for the rest, 4 points separate 4th from 12th...
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:58 pm
  • Great match today. Most fun i've have down at the pub in quite some time. Made it even better when the loudmouth Tottenham fan got really excited and kept asking the Liverpool contingent what place on the table we were.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:07 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:You continually overestimate the allure of Champions League over tradition... or let's just say global popularity. And Im not worried about any speculation surrounding players at this time. You call it a "demotion" to play for the most storied club in the EPL, maybe in Europe. Sad you havent figured it out yet. Ofcourse this is versus choosing a club like Arsenal who you have said yourself may be moving on from Arsene, so why would he go there? for maybe 3-4 more games? Sure.

    As for the rest, 4 points separate 4th from 12th...


    I've never said anything about this being a Champions League over Europa League be all end all decider. What I said was Schalke is in the Champions League Last 16, Liverpool is in the Europa League Last 32. He's probably more likely to stay at Schalke till the end of the season than transfer to Liverpool in January. The real thing I'm thinking is, all the reports are linking Huntelaar to Arsenal, I don't even recall ever seeing anything linking him to Liverpool so I find it hard to believe he could be going there.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:08 pm
  • InSuarezWeTrust wrote:Great match today. Most fun i've have down at the pub in quite some time. Made it even better when the loudmouth Tottenham fan got really excited and kept asking the Liverpool contingent what place on the table we were.


    I heard Spurs fans at the game were chanting "Are you watching Arsenal." Don't they feel stupid now :0190l:
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:49 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    U[url][/url]ncle Si wrote:You continually overestimate the allure of Champions League over tradition... or let's just say global popularity. And Im not worried about any speculation surrounding players at this time. You call it a "demotion" to play for the most storied club in the EPL, maybe in Europe. Sad you havent figured it out yet. Ofcourse this is versus choosing a club like Arsenal who you have said yourself may be moving on from Arsene, so why would he go there? for maybe 3-4 more games? Sure.

    As for the rest, 4 points separate 4th from 12th...


    I've never said anything about this being a Champions League over Europa League be all end all decider. What I said was Schalke is in the Champions League Last 16, Liverpool is in the Europa League Last 32. He's probably more likely to stay at Schalke till the end of the season than transfer to Liverpool in January. The real thing I'm thinking is, all the reports are linking Huntelaar to Arsenal, I don't even recall ever seeing anything linking him to Liverpool so I find it hard to believe he could be going there.


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/klaas-jan-huntelaar-to-liverpool-schalke-working-1438293

    Here's one, first one on google. Tons more.

    You said a move to liverpool would be a demotion. Liverpool is a major major club, regardless of what position they are in. Schalke isn't. That's why huntelaar would go. That's why he won't sign an extension. He wants bigger , regardless of it at Merseyside, London or Madrid.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:52 pm
  • To easy to take a run at Arsenal (who were poor but somewhat unlucky) so all plaudits to Bradford City. Gutsy effort
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:54 pm
  • Bradford? Bwahahahahaha......Oh Arsenal, you never fail to entertain.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:03 pm
  • I've never felt ashamed to call myself a Gooner, but this is the most embarrassed I've ever been. I've also never wanted to admit Wenger should go, but he should resign just to save his dignity as well as the club's because his tactics just aren't working anymore and he's only making things worse by refusing to change. It's not even about buying players anymore. I don't even understand how Wenger could take off Podolski, he admitted he didn't want to go to penalties, if he was so afraid to do it, why not keep Podolski on in case it did happen, simply cause we needed someone who's great at penalties and it's next to impossible to argue against a German being good at them. I'm also becoming more and more convinced Gervinho needs to either play like he did for Lille or he needs to leave, he's someone who shouldn't have been on the field at the end of the match not Podolski. Lastly, I can't blame Vermaelen for losing the game with the missed PK, mainly because he saved Arsenal from what would have been an even more embarrassing regulation time loss. I can blame the Bradford City keeper because he played like he had 20 arms instead of 2 arms, even when we did manage to bombard the Bradford goal with shot after shot, he stopped nearly every one and the one's he didn't the woodwork helped him.

    And shut the eff up ISWT.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:54 pm
  • Oh gate, you know I like you. You know if you didn't get some usually deserved crap on here it would probably be directed st myself.

    I didn't watch the game but your summary of the game seems to match the stats afterward. I also expect the same reply if Liverpool were to lose to cellar dwellers.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:03 pm
  • Classic. I'll have to see if Bradford City's club shop have the DVD on sale yet.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:04 pm
  • Bradford City? ffs wise up....
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:22 pm
  • Thanks Gate... that made it even better
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:01 pm
  • Go ahead and hurl your god damn abuse, I'm too effing upset to give a shit right now.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:19 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:Go ahead and hurl your god damn abuse, I'm too effing upset to give a shit right now.


    It could be a lot worse. You know that somewhere someone is not only a die hard Arsenal fan but a fan of the Cardinals as well.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:11 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:Go ahead and hurl your god damn abuse, I'm too effing upset to give a shit right now.


    Alright, I will. For all the shit you talk and the endless stream of crap about how good Arsenal are and how they don't ever deserve to lose and how their players are actually decent and their transfers are better than anyone else's, you're sitting at 8th in the league, only two points above 12th, with a team that struggles to score at times and has a suspect back 4, and they couldn't put away League 2 Bradford, even when Wenger put out a strong side in hopes of winning. Time to accept mediocrity, sunshine. No trophies for 8 years, looks like it's gonna be 9 years.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:28 am
  • Touche, Peaches.

    Gate - I know Woolwich have their wage structure, but, as their wages compare to what RVP wanted and deserves, would you prefer Gervinho and Chamakh or van Persie? (rhetorical question)
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:20 am
  • Its honestly a s*** show for Arsenal. Already fading in league play, desperate for a trophy and appeasing a fragile fan base, they suffer what may be the most emabarrassing loss of a top EPL team in some years (i struggle to think of another).

    Gate, its so much like you to harass Wenger on this, but come on. If he's to blame, its for the players that are on the pitch, not the tactics or style. Blame him for selling Fabregas, Van Persie, Song. Blame him for creating a culture in which those three felt the want to leave.

    Blame him for putting Carzola, Gervinho, Ox, Podolski, and Chamalk on the pitch. Good lord. Maybe they were unlucky. Its quite clear that they were out of position. But this is a 4th tier team. This is nearly a men's league team ffs. Not florists, teachers and grocers, but you'd think players of the quality you have given to this Arsenal squad they could manage and overcome hitting the bar. A decent team wins this game 6-1.

    This is on the players. Carzola couldnt take over. Ox and Gervinho gave the ball up impatiently and impetuously. Chamakh is a disaster. Podolski... i mean you'd think a German international star could take over a game against a 4th tier English club team.

    THis isnt Wnger's fault, as a coach (if he ran this lineup on the weekend and lost then yes). Its his fault in trusting these players to manage a simple task
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:22 pm
  • I refuse to say Arsenal have become mediocre, because they aren't. They have however put in mediocre performances out there on a constant basis since October. I'm actually one of those people who have been defending Wenger left and right, and outright abusing Piers Morgan, among others, on twitter with every Anti-Wenger comment. Now, I said it was Wenger's fault because he keeps putting faith in players that let him and the club down. Gervinho started the season on fire, then he stomped himself out and has been killing almost any momentum Arsenal seem to get. And I've almost run out of patience with Ramsey as he has 1 good game and then 5 horrific piece of crap games. This Arsenal squad is capable of so much more but they are letting the fans down, they are letting the club down, and they are letting themselves down. And his strategy and tatics aren't working as well as they used to, he's either gotta fix it, evolve it, or just call it quits and leave. I've been convinced since mid-November that buying players won't solve this, it'll be the equivalent of using a trash bag on a broken window.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:36 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:I refuse to say Arsenal have become mediocre, because they aren't. They have however put in mediocre performances out there on a constant basis since October.


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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:15 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:I refuse to say Arsenal have become mediocre, because they aren't. They have however put in mediocre performances out there on a constant basis since October. I'm actually one of those people who have been defending Wenger left and right, and outright abusing Piers Morgan, among others, on twitter with every Anti-Wenger comment. Now, I said it was Wenger's fault because he keeps putting faith in players that let him and the club down. Gervinho started the season on fire, then he stomped himself out and has been killing almost any momentum Arsenal seem to get. And I've almost run out of patience with Ramsey as he has 1 good game and then 5 horrific piece of crap games. This Arsenal squad is capable of so much more but they are letting the fans down, they are letting the club down, and they are letting themselves down. And his strategy and tatics aren't working as well as they used to, he's either gotta fix it, evolve it, or just call it quits and leave. I've been convinced since mid-November that buying players won't solve this, it'll be the equivalent of using a trash bag on a broken window.



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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:49 pm
  • Wow, you guys really don't understand that there's a difference between being mediocre and performing mediocre? That's sad.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:31 pm
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    Gatehawk wrote:Wow, you guys really don't understand that there's a difference between being mediocre and performing mediocre? That's sad.

    It has to be us.... and everyone else in the media and football world taking note and smiles over Arsenals plight.

    Your club is mediocre right now. You sold stars and bout above average potential. Its not working
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:06 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:Wow, you guys really don't understand that there's a difference between being mediocre and performing mediocre? That's sad.


    You heard it here first, guys. They're not mediocre, they're just PERFORMING mediocre. There's a difference.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:34 pm
  • If Arsenal are mediocre, then what does that say about Liverpool and Spurs? Arsenal didn't go from winning a match to losing it in the span of 88 seconds. At least Arsenal don't rely on a guy who's a habitual diver and been accused of racism. You wanna call Arsenal mediocre, fine go right ahead, then I have the right to call your favorite clubs worthless pieces of shit that are nothing more than a waste of space and everybody's time. And you guys, who obviously feel the need to be a bunch of self-centered, stuck up, over-conceited morons, can go to hell and burn.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:13 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:If Arsenal are mediocre, then what does that say about Liverpool and Spurs? Arsenal didn't go from winning a match to losing it in the span of 88 seconds. At least Arsenal don't rely on a guy who's a habitual diver and been accused of racism. You wanna call Arsenal mediocre, fine go right ahead, then I have the right to call your favorite clubs worthless pieces of shit that are nothing more than a waste of space and everybody's time. And you guys, who obviously feel the need to be a bunch of self-centered, stuck up, over-conceited morons, can go to hell and burn.



    Can you be "over-conceited"? Is that like "hugely large"?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:29 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:If Arsenal are mediocre, then what does that say about Liverpool and Spurs? Arsenal didn't go from winning a match to losing it in the span of 88 seconds. At least Arsenal don't rely on a guy who's a habitual diver and been accused of racism. You wanna call Arsenal mediocre, fine go right ahead, then I have the right to call your favorite clubs worthless pieces of shit that are nothing more than a waste of space and everybody's time. And you guys, who obviously feel the need to be a bunch of self-centered, stuck up, over-conceited morons, can go to hell and burn.


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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:00 am
  • I love being a Liverpool fan...
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:19 am
  • Christ on a bike.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:11 am
  • QPR WINS!

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:53 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Christ on a bike.


    Top 4 team? Thankfully the entirety of the PL is mediocre right now. But jesus, 29 shots and one goal. We don't have the quality to finish our chances and are far too naive in defending in the 433.

    We need two finishers and a quality back in january. And that's IF we want to finish in top 10
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:00 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:Christ on a bike.


    Top 4 team? Thankfully the entirety of the PL is mediocre right now. But jesus, 29 shots and one goal. We don't have the quality to finish our chances and are far too naive in defending in the 433.

    We need two finishers and a quality back in january. And that's IF we want to finish in top 10


    The defending was shambolic, particularly on the second goal. Guy comes in completely unmarked, and no-one appears to be in a hurry to get back. Shocking.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:35 pm
  • Is it just me or was a few days ago, someone said Arsenal are mediocre, today it's expanded to the entirety of the EPL.

    Anyways, just wanted to get your thoughts about something I heard about on twitter. According to the Manchester Evening News, Ca$hmir Na$ri has started weighing up the option of returning to Arsenal and has been in contact with Wenger. Now I feel if he does come back, which I doubt would happen without some form of anger from other Arsenal fans, he better prepare an extremely good apology for his asinine remarks after he joined City, and even then it'll take a hell of a lot more to be forgiven. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good signing, he was a good player when he was with the Gunners, but he sure as hell wouldn't be welcomed back with open arms.

    On a slightly related note, Jack Wilshere has announced he has no plans to leave Arsenal anytime soon and said he'll be signing a new long term contract in the next few weeks. Now if only Walcott would follow Jack's example.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 am
  • Congrats to Corinthians on winning the Club World Cup. The Brazilian club's defeated Chelsea 1-0 on a goal by Paolo Guerrero. The Blues loss was commented on by Gary Neville as being more embarassing than Arsenal's Capital One Cup exit.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:51 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:Congrats to Corinthians on winning the Club World Cup. The Brazilian club's defeated Chelsea 1-0 on a goal by Paolo Guerrero. The Blues loss was commented on by Gary Neville as being more embarassing than Arsenal's Capital One Cup exit.


    No. Not even close. Gary Neville is probably the worst football pundit there's ever been. Even worse than Le Tissier. Arsenal being dumped out of the QF of the league cup by lowly Bradford is MUCH worse than Chelsea losing in the final of a meaningless cup to the CONCACAF champions league winners.

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:22 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:Congrats to Corinthians on winning the Club World Cup. The Brazilian club's defeated Chelsea 1-0 on a goal by Paolo Guerrero. The Blues loss was commented on by Gary Neville as being more embarassing than Arsenal's Capital One Cup exit.


    No. Not even close. Gary Neville is probably the worst football pundit there's ever been. Even worse than Le Tissier. Arsenal being dumped out of the QF of the league cup by lowly Bradford is MUCH worse than Chelsea losing in the final of a meaningless cup to the CONCACAF champions league winners.

    Arsehole.

    You're absolutely right except for one thing, peaches.

    Corinthians is from CONMEBOL, not CONCAFAF. They're a Brazilian squad.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:04 am
  • Gate, this is why we give you so much on this board...

    With 4 points separating 12th from 4th we all knew the league was mediocre. Had said it many times previous and continually discuss the faults of our favorite clubs openly. You can't admit that your team is in that bunch of mediocrity, continually attempt to vindicate them against the face of reality and are now trying to wash over a loss to a 4th tier team with a half arsed remark about chelseas loss to a brazilian top tier team (I know it was neville that said it)

    The PL is mediocre at the moment. It lacks dynamic players, strong leadership, financial stability and heart. Its phasing out its most passionate fans through financial exorbitance and global marketing. We realize it and our clubs place in it. You seem to feel Arsenal are somehow washed over by it but still dry. Either way. I appreciate your devotion to your club but we do that with our friends. On here we try and "talk" football and try to be rationale about it.

    To your question, I wouldn't have Nasri on Liverpool and he's done nothing to my club. I can't imagine Arsenal would go near him. Have to imagine the whole thing is media speculation
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:11 am
  • SeatownJay wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:Congrats to Corinthians on winning the Club World Cup. The Brazilian club's defeated Chelsea 1-0 on a goal by Paolo Guerrero. The Blues loss was commented on by Gary Neville as being more embarassing than Arsenal's Capital One Cup exit.


    No. Not even close. Gary Neville is probably the worst football pundit there's ever been. Even worse than Le Tissier. Arsenal being dumped out of the QF of the league cup by lowly Bradford is MUCH worse than Chelsea losing in the final of a meaningless cup to the CONCACAF champions league winners.

    Arsehole.

    You're absolutely right except for one thing, peaches.

    Corinthians is from CONMEBOL, not CONCAFAF. They're a Brazilian squad.


    Fair enough. My bad. The point still stands, though. Gate's a muppet.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:44 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Fair enough. My bad. The point still stands, though. Gate's a muppet.


    I never said Neville's comment is right. However he does have a point about it, that's the fourth trophy opportunity this season that Chelsea, Lost the Community Shield(that one's okay to lose), Lost the UEFA Super Cup(while getting raped in the process by Falcao), Knocked out of the CL in the Group Stage(First defending champ to do so), Loses in the Club World Cup final despite being overwhelming favorites, not to take anything away from Corinthians considering they're a damn good team, and I emphasize the word TEAM.

    The loss by emphasizes the point I believe Si is trying to make about claiming the EPL is mediocre this year. I still refuse to admit Arsenal is mediocre but rather admit they haven't played to the potential I felt the squad had at the beginning of the year. Arsenal have a number of talented players(i.e. Cazorla and Podolski), but they also have talented players who refuse to live up to the hype or shoot themselves in the foot a lot(i.e. Arshavin and Gervinho). But this does prove a point of the lack of team effort in most of the English squads, most of the players are on certain teams because that team pays them the most money whereas in Brazil, those players have so much passion for the club they play for and are willing to sacrifice individual glory if it brings glory for the entire team.

    The comments by Neville are of his own opinion and there will be people who agree with him and those who won't. I won't say he's 100% right because it's hard, damn near impossible even, to trump a top tier club losing to a 4th tier club for most embarrassing loss. But at the same time he isn't 100% wrong because Chelsea were the defending European Champions, though you wouldn't know it by looking at how they did it and what they've followed it up with so far, and they were just as big of favorites to win that match as Arsenal were against Bradford. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if someone who completely agrees with Neville argues that a Brazilian club, like Corinthians, are the equivalent of a 4th tier English club, which they aren't and people would be dumbasses to think that. It's down to a matter of opinion here and I'll agree Arsenal had the more embarrassing loss, though Chelsea's loss is embarrassing as well, just not as much.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:20 pm
  • ffs Gate give it a rest....
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:07 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:ffs Gate give it a rest....


    I'll give it a rest when you guys stop bagging on Arsenal just because I mentioned a freaking quote that just happened to have them in it. The quote was Neville's opinion, but you jerks act as if I was the one that said it and not him. Hell I bet you didn't even read the whole thing I said cause I said Arsenal's exit from the COC was more embarassing, but you are giving off the impression that you think I'm defending Arsenal. So how's about you give it a rest.
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:20 pm
  • Hands up who agrees with Gatehawk?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:06 am
  • RIts an issue of scemantics and understanding what the word "mediocre" truly means. But regardless, the majority of PL teams are toothless and lack creativity this year. Chelseas loss to Corinthians further exasperates it.. Maybe the Jan. Window will bring new blood.

    But Gate, to your defense of Arsenal, everything you say about them confirms there mediocrity. In defending them (they aren't playing to potential, players aren't trying, coach refuses to adjust) tyoure only further confirming their mediocrity. It doesn't matter either way. You act as if we give you more about arsenal than we do any other team, including our own.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:56 am
  • Lets see here, Arsenal played great yesterday for 85 minutes and Reading played well for all of 5 minutes. That final score was the biggest illusion of the game seeing as if it weren't for 2 mistakes by Gibbs and the Reading keeper it could have been 10-0 easily. Reading was so horrendous that it was almost like they were hand delivering Arsenal chances left and right.
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