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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:06 am
  • Liverpool as sloppy as hell in possession for that goal. Good counter attack though.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:19 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Liverpool as sloppy as hell in possession for that goal. Good counter attack though.



    unfortunate considering how well they have played.well done by Podolski, good early find and great work to return to the ball... Diaby may be the best player on the field right now.

    Liverpool are lacking again in the final 3rd... Borini and Suarez are poor at the moment
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:35 am
  • Apparently when Arsenal control the game, nothing happens. When they don't control possession, they score.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:09 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:Apparently when Arsenal control the game, nothing happens. When they don't control possession, they score.



    classic counter attack soccer...

    cant blame them, what threat has liverpool offered the goal?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:12 am
  • Got to say... Arsenal have coasted this. Liverpool look like a mid table team.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:46 am
  • I can't help but feel that this win was somewhat satisfying. I will admit I was worried cause I'm not convinced Vito Mannone is that good. I think this match really showed just how much improved Arsenal's defense is, I know I said that already but Liverpool is a whole other level compared to Stoke and Sunderland. The Reds were missing it's lethalness but they were finding chances and Arsenal gave up very little room and cut off a lot of movement.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:49 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Got to say... Arsenal have coasted this. Liverpool look like a mid table team.


    Agreed. I'm struggling to see where any goals are going to come from with Liverpool. Defending has been a load of arse so far this season, build-up play is too slow, Suarez and Borini both look poor, Gerrard not providing much. Allen is fantastic, but doesn't offer much in attack. Sterling looks great but has no-one to service. Very poor.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:14 am
  • Rodgers talking about possibly signing Michael Owen in his press conference apparently.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:20 am
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Rodgers talking about possibly signing Michael Owen in his press conference apparently.

    Seems to be the only option left after that dog's arse of a deadline day. Not sure how much that'll help, though.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:57 am
  • God damn Van Persie, Southampton didn't deserve to lose that match.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:49 am
  • A thought on Rodgers...

    Swansea was the perfect club for him because for several years they'd built a structure based around passing & controlled possession under two different managers. When he arrived, it was very easy to implement his system because it was virtually already in place. He really just took it to the next level, won promotion and the rest is history. However - he's taken two jobs (Reading & Liverpool) where the system wasn't in place and needed time... years even... to change the culture and programme things into his vision. He didn't last very long at Reading because they weren't willing to be that patient. I'm concerned for his sake that Liverpool likewise won't be that patient. Today they looked like a team trying to do things his way but struggling because it's not second nature like it is at Swansea. If you appoint a manager like Brendan Rodgers you have to be prepared to give him 2-3 years to get it right, and even then you might only seen the early signs of promise.

    He's just led Liverpool to their worst league start for 50 years. Will he get the time he needs? Big question mark there. And if he doesn't, the Liverpool fans should turn on the hopeless chuffs running their club. Appointing Daglish, letting him waste millions, appointing a long term manager and then giving him nothing to spend... they have to stick by Rodgers and let him build. Otherwise there was no point appointing him. I just wonder if they're willing to finish 10-15th to let that happen.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:24 am
  • Agreed about the players looking like they were trying to stick to the 'system' and failing at it. The team just doesn't look comfortable, they're spending too much focus trying to keep the shape and stick to the system. Every time Liverpool pressed forward, Arsenal got back in numbers and put 8 or 9 men in or around the box, snuffing out Liverpool's labored attacks. When Arsenal broke forward, they did it with pace, and Liverpool's back 4 were left on their own to deal, because the midfield and the front 3 were just standing around holding the shape. This was more evident in the second half, which leads me to believe that they were doing this under Rodgers' instruction.

    I'd be willing to give Rodgers two mediocre seasons, but would be looking to seriously challenge the top 4 in season 3. FSG really screwed up last season, but if they can use this season and next to build on what Rodgers wants to instill, recoup some of their losses from last season, then go hard after some big names next offseason, we might have a chance. You can see what Rodgers wants to do, and you can see that players like Allen, Sterling and possible Sahin are capable of doing it, but I'm not so sure about Suarez, Gerrard, and the centerbacks. Something has to be done about the shocking defending.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:33 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:For starters, transfer deadline day is a frigging nightmare. Aside from the fact it's pointless, it also means an entire day on the phone asking about the latest bull shit rumour on Twitter. I wish transfers were banned.

    Liverpool - Without doubt Brendan Rodgers is paying the price for the absolute shitload of money wasted by Daglish and co.

    Spurs - Not convinced. Lloris is all right. Dempsey... meh. He's OK. I'm used to being more impressed with Spurs with their signings. Think they've taken a step back since Harry's bizarre departure.

    Man City - Why? Why are you signing players for the sake of it?

    Everton - class. A club that knows exactly what it's doing and does it well. No delusions.

    Arsenal - Not done enough.

    Sheff Wed - Jay Bothroyd and Martin Taylor in the bag. Going places.


    I agree about the transfer window being a nightmare. I don't think a window of any kind is needed. Buy or sell as you please but players are still cup tied as they are now. Twitter has made everything even more of a nightmare. even just as a fan. Despite knowing that a rumour involving your club is 95% likely to be bollocks I still feel disappointed when you hear that it's not going to happen.

    As for this window - agree about Liverpool & Arsenal.

    Everton - I'll take your word for it. I know nothing about Naismith or Oviedo. Pienaar's alright. Spurs should have kept him but 'Arry ballsed that up for us, sending him back to Everton on loan right when we needed him.

    City - Maicon was awful in the 2 games I saw him in against Spurs. Mancini obviously knows him but I wouldn't have thought he'd improve their team much. Don't know the other players bought.

    Spurs - I thought we came out alright. Modric was never sticking around, regardless of who was managing the club, so our top priority had to be finding a replacement. I think Dembele brings a different skillset, but a comprehensive skill set nonetheless, and should be able to do a decent job. We really could have done with signing Moutinho as well though. I'm very happy about Lloris. He's a good keeper and more comfortable playing the ball with his feet than Friedel, which is something AVB's keepers need to be able to do. Friedel was never going to be a long term option and I don't think we could have done any better. The price was decent too. I wouldn't mind betting that Jack Butland would have cost a significant amount more than Lloris, De Gea was twice the price. Vertonghen should turn out to be a good buy. Sigurdsson looks a good player and Dempsey is a steal at £6m. He doesn't have van der Vaart's class but he can play for 90 minutes and score goals. Under Armour will be happy too. Not that that matters. Adebayor's good, although Llorente or Leandro would make me feel more confident.

    Out of curiosity, which are the Spurs transfers in the past that you were more impressed by? van der Vaart is the obvious one. The Modric signing was pretty much universally slated by the English press as he was too small to play in the premier league. The signing of Walker (and Naughton) was obviously astute. Sandro's class. Who else? Nelsen, Saha, Gomes, Bent, Bentley, Friedel, dos Santos, Pavlyuchenko, Corluka, Pienaar, Cudicini, Kaboul, Krancjar, Assou-Ekotto, Bostock.... some have had more success than others, but I don't think Spurs are a club renowned for exceptional transfer nouse. I don't think we had a bad haul. We've got some depth now, certainly with the centre backs and midfielders anyway.

    I didn't expect the team to get off to a great start, which is proving to be the case, but I think we'll be okay in the medium, long term. What became obvious in this window is that the owners are not prepared to spend money for the sake of it; the balance sheet ended up £11m in profit on Friday night. I think we've suffered in the transfer market by not qualifying for the Champions League. We should have done but we didn't. It is what it is. COYS!
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:50 pm
  • I've also just read that Levy was out Levy'd by Porto, ie raised the price after initially agreeing the fee (by £4m, which Levy then accepted, only to have Porto mess up the paperwork to the FA, hence Spurs seeking an extension. No idea if it's true, but it's from one of the few Spurs sources that tends to be pretty much on the money and not in the habit of making things up for the sake of it.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:19 pm
  • Apparently Ronaldo is unhappy at Madrid. Time to invoke the 'special relationship' Levy!
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:13 pm
  • Hawkspur wrote:Apparently Ronaldo is unhappy at Madrid. Time to invoke the 'special relationship' Levy!


    Yeah that'll happen, when pigs fly out of the devils ass while hell freezes over. Their "relationship" with Madrid isn't that special.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:30 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:Apparently Ronaldo is unhappy at Madrid. Time to invoke the 'special relationship' Levy!


    Yeah that'll happen, when pigs fly out of the devils ass while hell freezes over. Their "relationship" with Madrid isn't that special.


    Say what? There is no possible outcome to this that doesn't involve Cristiano Ronaldo in a Spurs shirt next weekend. I mean, we have a 'special relationship'.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:32 am
  • Hawkspur wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:Apparently Ronaldo is unhappy at Madrid. Time to invoke the 'special relationship' Levy!


    Yeah that'll happen, when pigs fly out of the devils ass while hell freezes over. Their "relationship" with Madrid isn't that special.


    Say what? There is no possible outcome to this that doesn't involve Cristiano Ronaldo in a Spurs shirt next weekend. I mean, we have a 'special relationship'.


    Exactly, who else could he possibly go to?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:34 pm
  • Turns out the reason for Ronaldo being unhappy is because his father died on September 2nd, 2005.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:07 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:Turns out the reason for Ronaldo being unhappy is because his father died on September 2nd, 2005.

    Ronaldo is unhappy because he has to play Barcelona 8 times a year and messi, xavi and iniesta repeatedly win awards over him.


    That and he is a red devil at heart. He will return for fergies last season.

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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:26 pm
  • Smurf wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:Turns out the reason for Ronaldo being unhappy is because his father died on September 2nd, 2005.

    Ronaldo is unhappy because he has to play Barcelona 8 times a year and messi, xavi and iniesta repeatedly win awards over him.


    That and he is a red devil at heart. He will return for fergies last season.

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    There is no need to be a dumbass and think that everytime a player is upset it's purely soccer reasons that's the cause. Look it up and you'll see that this past Sunday was the anniversary of his father's death, you'd be pretty emotional too if you were playing a game on the anniversary of the death of someone you care about.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:31 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Smurf wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:Turns out the reason for Ronaldo being unhappy is because his father died on September 2nd, 2005.

    Ronaldo is unhappy because he has to play Barcelona 8 times a year and messi, xavi and iniesta repeatedly win awards over him.


    That and he is a red devil at heart. He will return for fergies last season.

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    There is no need to be a dumbass and think that everytime a player is upset it's purely soccer reasons that's the cause. Look it up and you'll see that this past Sunday was the anniversary of his father's death, you'd be pretty emotional too if you were playing a game on the anniversary of the death of someone you care about.



    Don't be a dumb ass and think that his unhappiness is an isolated one time incident. 6 months after he got to Madrid he was linked to a return to Old Trafford.

    The dude is not as in love with Madrid as he thought he was.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:44 pm
  • Smurf wrote:Don't be a dumb ass and think that his unhappiness is an isolated one time incident. 6 months after he got to Madrid he was linked to a return to Old Trafford.

    The dude is not as in love with Madrid as he thought he was.


    Well your reason almost seems like you jumped to that conclusion from the first second you've heard of that. My reason is, at least to an extent, plausible.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:48 pm
  • gatehawk, do you never tire of making such an arse out of yourself?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:02 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:gatehawk, do you never tire of making such an arse out of yourself?


    I don't know do you guys ever get tired of trying to make what I say sound like I'm talking out of my ass?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:30 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:gatehawk, do you never tire of making such an arse out of yourself?


    I don't know do you guys ever get tired of trying to make what I say sound like I'm talking out of my ass?


    We really don't have a lot to do with it, mate...
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:12 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:We really don't have a lot to do with it, mate...


    you'd like to think that don't ya?
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:04 pm
  • International Break has finished time for the clubs to get back to action.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:52 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:International Break has finished time for the clubs to get back to action.


    Finally.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:31 am
  • While we're on the subject of the international break I might add my 2 cents worth. The South American qualification process is awesome. Every game is huge. These last 2 games that England have played have meant jack all. They were always going to thump Moldova and I'm sure that both England and Ukraine will be content with a draw as they'll both qualify from the group anyway. England now has games against San Marino, Poland, and Montenegro to come. The Poland game could mean something, but the others are pretty much exercises in not playing down to a lesser nation. I would be much more enthusiatic about international breaks if the games were more appealing. I like to theorise about possible improvements to sporting competitions, and the European World Cup Qualification is ripe for improvement.

    There are currently13 teams that make it through to the World Cup, beginning with 53 teams in 9 groups. I think it would be far better if, similar to the FA Cup the top, say, 12 teams get a free pass for the first round while the other 41 play in 8 groups of 5 or 6 with the top 2 from each group meeting the top-ranked sides in 7 groups of 4 until the final 13 emerge.

    That way there could still be international breaks but they could be spent playing games against Holland, Germany, France etc which would surely make for more competitive, match hardened, European sides at the World Cup itself. It'd probably make matches more meaningful for the likes of Moldova too.

    Despite being a keen England supporter, I had absolutely no inclination to watch the 2 friendlies during the week. My main interest in these first round games games is hoping that a)Spurs players don't get injured and b) Roy Hodgson gets the sack..
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:01 pm
  • I honestly think they could do without the International Break being 3 weeks into the season. Players always seem to get hurt during this break, mainly if they play for Arsenal. I got a bit freaked when I heard about Diaby's knock, but now it's looking like a really minor. Then there's players like RvP, who the team they play for really needs them to stay healthy. We're taking Van Gaal at his word about him, but this is the Van Persie everyone was expecting to show up all of last season, and now it's Man U's turn to bite their nails to the nub hoping he stays healthy, if he is healthy, at least until Rooney's fit again.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:25 am
  • United could just play without a striker like Arsenal are trying to do.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:00 pm
  • I think you have Arsenal mixed up with Chelsea.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:23 am
  • No, Chelsea are capable of winning trophies.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:35 am
  • I was referring to the strikers scoring.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:55 am
  • What do you mean Arsenal can't score without RvP? Ahahahahahahahaha!
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:29 pm
  • Liverpool FC= Notre Dame football


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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:41 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:Liverpool FC= Notre Dame football


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    True.


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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:02 pm
  • I've already lost interest, Simon. I don't know what it's going to take to make Liverpool significant again, but passing along the back 4 with 30 seconds left in a 1-1 game is not acceptable to me. United will beat us next week, and we'll be struggling to pull ourselves up into the mid table. Hopefully Rodgers can beginning turning things around next season. Suarez looked like the unhappiest man to ever score a goal.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:49 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:Liverpool FC= Notre Dame football

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    :lol:

    It's quite a good comparison actually. But for that equaliser today, Liverpool would've been in the bottom three. Even after four games, that is pretty shocking. And Liverpool won't be down there in 10-15 games time, but it's going to be a real test of the owners resolve if results keep up like this. How invested are they in the Rodgers project? You know - the Liverpool fans didn't much like the last lot of American owners. This lot running the club now are getting away with murder. What a terrible job so far - and if there's anyone who'll take Liverpool to new depths, it'll be these guys.

    As for Arsenal - they might not have any trophies, they may only have six against Southampton, but never doubt Wenger knows what he's doing.

    And the best bit of my day? Having the freedom to hammer QPR/Chelsea/Premier League/football on my radio show over that farce of a handshake drama today. What the hell? They even had commentators on national radio disecting who was shaking hands with who, who wasn't, which player patted John Terry on the back. FFS - grow up. Embarassing. Thank god for Chance Warmack restoring my faith in sport.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:29 pm
  • Arsenal are looking more and more for real each week. The next 2 weeks are definitely gonna tell us if they are going to contend this year in the Premier League. But I have no doubt in my mind that they can and should win a trophy this year.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:44 am
  • Good showing by QPR against Chelsea. Cesar is clearly an upgrade over Green. Now they just have to find a striker who knows how to find the net.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:54 am
  • Come On You Spurs!
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:56 am
  • 1-0 up at half time but this game should be out of sight. We've missed 3 or 4 great chances (The Sun et al will no doubt be claiming that these were all the fault of AVB tomorrow) and been moving the ball around nicely. Just need to be ruthless. Obviously, I really hope that these missed chances won't come back to bite us in the arse.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:45 am
  • Fantastic performance from us to kick start our season. Vertonghen and Dembele were absolutely superb and Dembele's partnership with Sandro had a great start. Defoe took his goals well although still don't like him up front on his own.

    Hopefully we can kick on now anyway, COYS.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:24 pm
  • Manchester United looked better as a team this week, Chicharito was clearly trying to prove himself and Scholes scored in his landmark game. Chelsea and Swansea slipped up this week. City again failed to win at Stoke in a somewhat decent match. Spurs finally decided to finish a match the right way. Liverpool just isn't looking like anything major will happen this season.

    As for the Gunners, I'm feeling really confident in Arsenal's next few games. Like I said before the team has been playing better and better, the defense is making very very few mistakes(the only real one was Szczesny's blunder) and last Saturday the offense caught up and in a big way. I think Wenger should keep Gervinho as a center forward as that performance against the Saints was the best I've seen from him. Podolski has scored in back to back matches, and Cazorla is playing like the ball is glued to his foot. Gibbs was impressive against Southampton, supplying the crosses that turned into own goals, Jenkinson has been holding his own in place for Sagna. Arsenal supposedly will be getting a massive boost this week as rumors are swirling that Wilshere will be returning to full training, which could mean he'll at least be on the bench for the Chelsea match at the earliest.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:59 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:Arsenal are looking more and more for real each week. The next 2 weeks are definitely gonna tell us if they are going to contend this year in the Premier League. But I have no doubt in my mind that they can and should win a trophy this year.



    of course... I mean four games into the season is a fair reflection of the how good and bad teams are.

    christ on a bike. the PL season (took the "E" out just for you English) doesnt start until October. The next two weeks arent going to tell us anything except who is off to a strong start and who needs tweaking. We have 34 games left, two domestic cups, some Euro thingys, 6 months of International play and another 30 day transfer window.

    While I applaud your enthusiasm and it is well founded, its a but early in the date to start buying rubbers
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:58 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:of course... I mean four games into the season is a fair reflection of the how good and bad teams are.

    christ on a bike. the PL season (took the "E" out just for you English) doesnt start until October. The next two weeks arent going to tell us anything except who is off to a strong start and who needs tweaking. We have 34 games left, two domestic cups, some Euro thingys, 6 months of International play and another 30 day transfer window.

    While I applaud your enthusiasm and it is well founded, its a but early in the date to start buying rubbers


    I did say the next 2 weeks will be even more telling than the first 4 matches. The first 4 matches are showing how good the Gunners can be, the real thing is weather or not they can keep up this intensity for the remainder of the season.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:55 pm
  • Storts wrote:Fantastic performance from us to kick start our season. Vertonghen and Dembele were absolutely superb and Dembele's partnership with Sandro had a great start. Defoe took his goals well although still don't like him up front on his own.

    Hopefully we can kick on now anyway, COYS.


    Good to see another Spurs & Seahawks fan! What a great Sunday.

    I agree with everything you mentioned. I really like what I'm seeing from Vertonghen and, as you say, Dembele and Sandro looked great together. I think Adebayor would bring the midfielders into play more than Defoe. Defoe played pretty well though. He still shoots too readily for my liking - there were a couple of occasions on Sunday when he took difficult shots instead of laying the ball off to Bale or Sigurdsson who were in better positions but he scored a couple so it'd be wrong to complain.

    I'm pleased with AVB. We've played well in 3 out of 4 games now and the players seem to be buying into what he's selling, despite Old Wobbly waffling on on TV about how they wouldn't be able to cope with tactics and almost every TV and newspaper pundit wishing him to fail. I think he did well in the transfer window, identifying and buying good young players who fit into the way he wants to play, rather than the cheap and ageing veterans or expensive superstars that seemed to occupy Redknapp's wishlist.

    It will be interesting to see who plays against Lazio on Thursday. I'm hoping to see Adebayor, Lloris, Dempsey and Caulker start.


    Did you see the NextGen game against Barcelona last Thursday? We have some good young players coming through the ranks. Pritchard, Coulthirst, Mc Evoy and Vigouroux all looked very good, and Coulibaly also showed promise. It sounded like an amaziing atmosphere at the Lane as well, about 10000 fans making a hell of a lot of noise.
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Re: EPL 2012-2013
Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:18 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:of course... I mean four games into the season is a fair reflection of the how good and bad teams are.

    christ on a bike. the PL season (took the "E" out just for you English) doesnt start until October. The next two weeks arent going to tell us anything except who is off to a strong start and who needs tweaking. We have 34 games left, two domestic cups, some Euro thingys, 6 months of International play and another 30 day transfer window.

    While I applaud your enthusiasm and it is well founded, its a but early in the date to start buying rubbers


    I did say the next 2 weeks will be even more telling than the first 4 matches. The first 4 matches are showing how good the Gunners can be, the real thing is weather or not they can keep up this intensity for the remainder of the season.



    Actually you said that the next two weeks will determine whether your team can challenge for the title....

    The first four matches are littered with transfer deadlines, player movements, continuity issues, CL breaks and ridiculous international breaks. take what you want from it, but I wouldnt put too much into it except a teams ability to deal with massive scheduling inconsistencies. Spurs and Liverpool are trying to find their feet under new managers. Most the premier league has introduced or lost a significant player to their lineup. Almost all of the top teams lost players to international duty.

    So tell me amidst all that how anyone can take more than a passive understanding of their team's fortunes?

    For Arsenal, its a brilliant start. But just as last year when they sputtered early, they came back just fine. The opposite can just as easily happen.

    For Liverpool.... the tensions and anxieties are already settling in. Its not just 4 games, but 2+ years

    Not taking anything away from any of the teams sitting above two points. I wish Liverpool was them.
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