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  • He's a Sonics super fan, something about him makes it seem like he doesn't see himself different from anyone of us and that's hella cool.
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  • SeaTown81 wrote:As if we needed any more confirmation that Chris Hansen is the coolest dude ever. From his letter today thanking the fans for their support:

    And on that note, I would personally like to buy you all a beer at FX McRory's this Thursday from 5-7. First beer for everyone is on me.


    http://www.sonicsarena.com/news/to-all- ... upporters1

    If anything, it should be US buying him a beer!

    This guy is already my favorite owner in this city, and he doesn't even own a team yet.


    That is awesome right there! Hansen is the man!
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  • And the Mariners just continue to disappoint and piss people off:

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    Letter from SODO maritime/business groups including #Mariners: "We believe the MOU’s pre-selection (of SODO arena site) will prejudice...

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    ...the thoroughness and credibility of the EIS’ alternative site location, will taint its adequacy... ...

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    and constitutes an impermissible “action” taken without SEPA review."

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    #Mariners say they signed on as members of the broader coalition, and that Dave Gering and Jordan Royer have taken lead on the issue.


    I was all set to say whatever to these clowns and root for the players, but the front office just continues to make that impossible
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  • Someone should fly over Safeco and drop a plane cargo hold worth of a buinch of those small spongey basketballs during a game.
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  • That is the final straw for me. The mariners, I am thru with them.

    They are typical Seattle. They epitimize all that is bad about this city. A typical can't do attitude that permeates government and a resistance to change that flows through its citizens. Satisfied with the status quo and fearful of an uncertain future.

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  • Mariners could go to the world series and I won't care, count me out as a supporter, I feel bad for the players that have to play within that crap organization, hope one day they find their ways out of it.
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  • Well I'm glad Hansen is doing what he is doing, but the gloating the City is doing makes me sick, getting Hansen to fork over another 47 million and pay for partial renovation of the Key in addition to what he will do with it as a temperary home for the Sonics and the 40 million for traffic and to read an artical by the port saying we appreciate it but we can't see 40 million doing anything for improvements.

    I don't see anyone else contributing anything, they SAY the port and others are suppose to put money into this fund, I guess we will see.
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  • The Mariners backstabbing the hand that feeds them is gonna comeback and haunt them, not all Baseball fans are Basketball fans, nor are they all Hockey fans, but I would wager a larger percentage are fans of either sport or both. The Mariners will again at some point ask for money from all of us and the City for renovations :) How do you think they will respond to saying well Hansen ponied up 65 percent or more plus we want a fund set aside for area improvement.
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  • JOz56 wrote:And the Mariners just continue to disappoint and piss people off:

    Aaron Levine‏@AaronQ13Fox

    Letter from SODO maritime/business groups including #Mariners: "We believe the MOU’s pre-selection (of SODO arena site) will prejudice...

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    ...the thoroughness and credibility of the EIS’ alternative site location, will taint its adequacy... ...

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    and constitutes an impermissible “action” taken without SEPA review."

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    #Mariners say they signed on as members of the broader coalition, and that Dave Gering and Jordan Royer have taken lead on the issue.


    I was all set to say whatever to these clowns and root for the players, but the front office just continues to make that impossible


    Can we please get a new local ownership for the Mariners too? I mean this is unreal for them to do this.
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  • One more way the Mariners let people down.

    They are really scared shitless that with more places to spend your sports entertainment dollar, that they will have to invest and become a winning organization or be the fourth most (oops, forgot the Soccer team) fifth most popular team in the City.

    They have been doing the minimum to retain fans for a long time, competition worries them.
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  • Hawk Strap wrote:One more way the Mariners let people down.

    They are really scared shitless that with more places to spend your sports entertainment dollar, that they will have to invest and become a winning organization or be the fourth most (oops, forgot the Soccer team) fifth most popular team in the City.

    They have been doing the minimum to retain fans for a long time, competition worries them.

    That's it exactly!
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  • its sad that a farm team is trying to stop your local residents from enjoying world class basketball and hockey because they cannot put a competent team together for what they believe to be a cost effective investment for entertainment and a return in sales profits. i watched them play my blue jays last night...both teams were terrible.


    too bad felix hernandez doesn't like the basketball, he is pretty much the only bargaining chip the mariners have to listen too
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  • lol Did Burgess just give a quick little jab at the Mariners?

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/ ... ic13m.html

    In a meeting with The Seattle Times editorial board Tuesday to explain the revised agreement, Burgess was asked about the Mariners' opposition to the Sodo location for a new arena.

    "I'm not holding my breath that they'll suddenly embrace competition next door," Burgess said.
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  • Funny it's the Hockey team that would be the primary competition with the Mariners, yet nobody has any idea how and when we will get a team here.
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  • I really cannot fathom how an organization who's stadium the VOTERS opposed, but got it anyway with 80% public funds can bitch about a privately-funded stadium being built. It just defies all rationality.

    God I hate the Mariners. How can they not realize how bad they are making themselves look? This has to be one of THE STUPIDEST franchises in sports history.
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  • Jase wrote:I really cannot fathom how an organization who's stadium the VOTERS opposed, but got it anyway with 80% public funds can bitch about a privately-funded stadium being built. It just defies all rationality.

    God I hate the Mariners. How can they not realize how bad they are making themselves look? This has to be one of THE STUPIDEST franchises in sports history.


    If they had a clue on anything you would think after ten years they would figure out that the run with Lou and Pat is over now?
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  • So... Would it be creepy to put Chris Hansen's picture as my avy?
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  • Throwdown wrote:So... Would it be creepy to put Chris Hansen's picture as my avy?


    You may add a caption such as Screw ya all, Money can Buy HAPPINESS.
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  • YAY SONICS THREAD.

    Chris Hansen is a pretty exceptional guy. Talking to him you would have no idea he was that fucking rich (and he is, that fucking rich). From talking to him a few months back he seemed to think that getting a new franchise was a serious possibility in 3 years (if no one moved). This guy is in it for the long haul and loves Seattle.

    I'm glad they have portrayed him the same way in the media as my brief interactions with him.
    I enjoy ruining threads by making them about personal attacks and then commenting about how personal attacks make the other person's argument invalid.

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  • Throwdown wrote:So... Would it be creepy to put Chris Hansen's picture as my avy?



    Just put the Dave Chapelle line on it and you should be good to go.
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  • Last night on King 5 news there was a story about why are the Mariners leading the charge to not have the Arena approved.

    The Mariners would not be interviewed but the story speculated that it due to Hansen possibly owning two teams and creating a TV Network that would compete with the Mariners who are planning on creating one. In other words again they are afraid of competition and are even to chickenshit to respond on air about the situation.

    They are intimidated by him plain and simple, he has more money, more backers locally and will become more of a local influence.
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  • Let Hansen and his group buy the M's as well and we might actually have a legitimate owner who cares about winning instead of profits
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  • Howard Lincoln is too stupid to realize winning = profits (and lots of profit)
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  • Aaron Levine on QitupSports last night was ripping the M's and Howard Lincoln, it was great!
    Softy and Ian on KJR were rippping Lincoln as well! I thinking of packing up all of my M's gear and sending it to Howard the putz, since I am starting to really hate the M's org!
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  • < yessir, I put my mariners hat in the closet until further notice.
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  • Want to hate the Mariners and Howard Lincoln even more? Read today's blog post from Brian Robinson of SonicsCentral and Arena Solution:

    There have been lots of places this whole experience have taken me that I haven’t particularly enjoyed. As a lifelong fan of area sports I am deeply saddened by the Mariners position. As they continue to show that their opposition has no boundaries I grow more and more disturbed by Howard Lincoln’s ruthless belief in territorial entitlement.

    It is difficult to summarize the relationships involved in the Mariners efforts to prevent the Sonics from returning and sharing the market.

    Pete VonReichbauer was one of the few Seattle area leaders who personally knew Clay Bennett prior to the teams sale and vouched for his character to former Basketball Club of Seattle owners at the time they sold the team to OKC.

    Pete VonReichbauer frequently bcc’s Howard Lincoln on his arena related correspondence and spends a good deal of time at Lincolns personal residence. The two are close friends friends since the Safeco Field day’s when a group of former Booth Gardner staffers rose to local prominence.

    This group included Jim Kneeland of Pacific Public Affairs who was Gardners Press Secretary. Booth Gardner’s stepmother was a member of the Blethen family who own and operate the Seattle Times.

    Pacific Public Affairs went on to represent the Mariners for years as well as being the public affairs company of the Seattle Times.

    PPA was referred to represent Clay Bennett when the sale to OKC occured. Everybody acknowledges that Frank Blethen of the Seattle Times also had a relationship with Bennett prior to the sale.

    PPA and another agency, Cocker Fennessy have emerged as the leading opponents of the arena, leading the drive of PR against it. Rick Cocker is another former Mariners PR Spokesperson.

    Port of Seattle CEO Tay Yoshitani was invited to join this entire group with Lincoln in the owners box at Mariners opening night. Lincoln has since hidden behind the ports public benefit arguments and using Yoshitani as a face for his own anti-arena efforts.

    I could go on all day with this. There is much more.

    Having seen the lengths that Lincoln will go. Having heard the stories of his aggressive efforts to work the wealthy backrooms. Knowing that he was willing to actively and aggressively lobby the Chamber of Commerce, Downtown Seattle Association and Seattle Sports Commission to not support the returns of this franchise I have to question if there are any boundaries which he would not cross. He wants a bigger chunk of the market for himself and is willing to cross any lines to get there.

    I would never have asked this question before but think that it deserves asking. If he was willing to do all this we have to consider :

    Is there reason to believe that Howard Lincoln could have directly participated in efforts to block the Sonics previous arena efforts before the sale to the PBC?

    Even worse:

    With this questionable moral compass could he have directly conspired with the Clay Bennett to run a competitor out of town?

    At this point I wouldn’t put it past him. The thought of it is deeply disturbing.

    Could we have blamed the wrong Howard?


    http://sonicscentral.com/blog/?p=2303#comments

    I hate Howard Lincoln more than ANY Seattle sports upper management figure ever. Not including the ones who tried/succeeded in moving teams (Bennett/Behring/Smulyen).

    Hell, on second thought, I dunno. I actually think I might hate Howard Lincoln more than I hate Clay Bennett. At least Bennett screwed us and left. Lincoln has been screwing us for over a decade and continues to do so, staring us in the face while doing it. Not only in what he's doing to the sports fans of the area in trying to stop us from getting more teams. But also in how he's run the Mariners. If Howard Lincoln were to get hit by a bus and die, I'd feel ZERO remorse.
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  • That's it, I'm done with the Mariners until the team gets sold.
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  • Here we go again.

    "KeyArena is dead and done the day the new arena opens," said state Rep. Reuven Carlyle, whose district includes Seattle Center and Lower Queen Anne. "The language to study KeyArena punts on any meaningful commitment to the future of Seattle Center."

    Carlyle isn't alone in that critique.

    Members of the Seattle Center Advisory Commission say the new arena would "devastate" KeyArena, throw its existing business plan into doubt and leave Seattle Center without one of its major draws.



    Revision of deal sought

    They are calling on the City Council, which will vote Monday on the revised arena agreement with investor Chris Hansen, to amend the deal once more and allocate additional resources to Seattle Center.



    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019205220_keyarena20m.html
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  • Can we please get some new owners for the M's? Please, I want to support them, but am really having a hard time with Lincoln at the helm.
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  • Blitzer88 wrote:Can we please get some new owners for the M's? Please, I want to support them, but am really having a hard time with Lincoln at the helm.


    They gotta sell first, and there's no sign of that happening anytime soon so screw em!
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  • Wow! I never even considered that the Mariners may have aided Bennett with the expectations that it would lead to the Sonics leaving town.

    This is disturbing. I hate them worse then any other franchise in sports. They are the enemy. I hope they fail forever.
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  • Anyone remember a town hall type thing where team representatives from Seahawks and Mariners were invited and only the Seahawks showed up in support, and the Mariners didn't seem to give a rats ass? that thing that Seatown posted kinda brought back that memory for me.
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  • According to Softy, signatures for a public intiative to overturn the vote will be started on Monday funded by the Ms and others. According to Softy, this is coming at the direction one person with the Ms organization. And it’s not Chuck Armstrong.


    It's been said before, but holy hell they are dead to me. How stupid do you have to be to pull something like this? What level of arrogance do you have to be at to be against what a majority of your fans want? Screw them.
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  • JOz56 wrote:
    According to Softy, signatures for a public intiative to overturn the vote will be started on Monday funded by the Ms and others. According to Softy, this is coming at the direction one person with the Ms organization. And it’s not Chuck Armstrong.


    It's been said before, but holy hell they are dead to me. How stupid do you have to be to pull something like this? What level of arrogance do you have to be at to be against what a majority of your fans want? Screw them.


    The fact that it's a person within the organazation and they won't come out publicly shows how coniving and chickenshit this whole attempt is and has been, going back to another post here I would not be surprised if they were involved in the sale of the Sonics to Bennett creating some kind of access or information to the lawsuit in his favor by possibly leaking the Slade Gordon information to their representation.

    Oh if not Armstrong the who is left Howard Lincoln correct, thats the only other person with that much leverage outside the primary owner.
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  • It's sad that I now openly root against one of my childhood teams to fail miserably, but they have forced my hand. By jerking the fans around for the last decade and then this, they have shown themselves to be the enemy. And given the course of events that have happened, it wouldn't surprise me if they had a hand in originally ushering out the Sonics, which pisses me off even more.
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  • SeaTown81 wrote:I hate Howard Lincoln more than ANY Seattle sports upper management figure ever. Not including the ones who tried/succeeded in moving teams (Bennett/Behring/Smulyen).


    You left out Bud Selig. He stole our Seattle Pilots, had them make a right turn on their way back from spring training and not stop until they reached Milwaukee. Totally out of the blue, not one good Seattle-related reason for it. The other owners were so impressed they made him commissioner... What a bunch of putzes. Seattle sued MLB and got awarded the Mariners franchise.
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  • I cant do it anymore, the Mariners need to go. YEP I said it, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! and don't make a stink about it, just LEAVE! Maybe we can put Safeco to better use than they ever could.

    I can't do it anymore, I've put anything I owned that had Mariners on it in the trash, I hope they fail from here to eternity.
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  • Howard Lincoln is the assclown behind the M's opposing the arena deal.
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  • Throwdown wrote:I cant do it anymore, the Mariners need to go. YEP I said it, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! and don't make a stink about it, just LEAVE! Maybe we can put Safeco to better use than they ever could.

    I can't do it anymore, I've put anything I owned that had Mariners on it in the trash, I hope they fail from here to eternity.

    This is an absurd overreaction.

    People need to get a grip and not hate a team or especially wish for it to move because of the actions of guys up top. If you can completely abandon all ties to a team because of the actions of the higher ups, it makes little sense that we're still so attached to the Sonics after Schultz and Bennett screwed the city. A team is bigger than the temporary suits, so let's get back to reality here.
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  • Wow... just when I thought I couldn't be more disappointed in the Mariners organization! Can we close the roof on Safeco for good and reconstruct the thing to support an NHL/NBA team? I'd prefer an attempt at that rather than watch the craptastic product the M's keep throwing out there.
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  • Todays the day of one of the big days that we'll have in our journey to one day have the sonics back and that'll be a great day!!!!!!!!!!
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  • pinksheets wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:I cant do it anymore, the Mariners need to go. YEP I said it, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! and don't make a stink about it, just LEAVE! Maybe we can put Safeco to better use than they ever could.

    I can't do it anymore, I've put anything I owned that had Mariners on it in the trash, I hope they fail from here to eternity.

    This is an absurd overreaction.

    People need to get a grip and not hate a team or especially wish for it to move because of the actions of guys up top. If you can completely abandon all ties to a team because of the actions of the higher ups, it makes little sense that we're still so attached to the Sonics after Schultz and Bennett screwed the city. A team is bigger than the temporary suits, so let's get back to reality here.

    It might be an over-reaction by the poster by I clearly understand the frustration with the ass clown that is Howard Lincoln. I only go to a game if I get free seats, free parking, and dont spend a dime at the ballpark. Thats been my MO for the past 5 years. My motto was if the M's were having a hard time finding their wallet to bring top tier talent in, then I was going to have a hard time finding my waller to buy tix and team related mechandise.

    Now after the crap that Lincoln is pulling trying to block the arena I wont go to a game until his is gone even if I have free tix.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
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    Throwdown wrote:I cant do it anymore, the Mariners need to go. YEP I said it, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! and don't make a stink about it, just LEAVE! Maybe we can put Safeco to better use than they ever could.

    I can't do it anymore, I've put anything I owned that had Mariners on it in the trash, I hope they fail from here to eternity.

    This is an absurd overreaction.

    People need to get a grip and not hate a team or especially wish for it to move because of the actions of guys up top. If you can completely abandon all ties to a team because of the actions of the higher ups, it makes little sense that we're still so attached to the Sonics after Schultz and Bennett screwed the city. A team is bigger than the temporary suits, so let's get back to reality here.

    It might be an over-reaction by the poster by I clearly understand the frustration with the ass clown that is Howard Lincoln. I only go to a game if I get free seats, free parking, and dont spend a dime at the ballpark. Thats been my MO for the past 5 years. My motto was if the M's were having a hard time finding their wallet to bring top tier talent in, then I was going to have a hard time finding my waller to buy tix and team related mechandise.

    Now after the crap that Lincoln is pulling trying to block the arena I wont go to a game until his is gone even if I have free tix.

    Oh no doubt. I'm all for people opting to boycott the Ms until new ownership takes over, I doubt I'll go that far, but it's a perfectly reasonable response to their actions (I'd actually advise boycotting their sponsors and telling them why you're doing so). However, I think a line gets crossed when someone declares they're forever done with the team and wish to see them relocate. At that point you're putting your anger and frustration ahead of the hearts of the fans of that team. Whether they suck or not, some people grew up with the Ms as their team, some people grew up idolizing Mariner players, and I'm one of them. Luckily the actual Bring Back Our Sonics and Arena movements aren't going all Taliban on the Ms, because that'd be a disastrous tactic. Let Lincoln and his cronies be the only ones willing to pit their interests against those of the community, let them be the villains. I get the anger, I feel it too, but let's be the adults, we have been throughout this entire process.
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  • Arena vote passed, only two that voted no were the suspects we were counting on to say no

    Licata and Conlin both said no.
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  • Throwdown wrote:Arena vote passed, only two that voted no were the suspects we were counting on to say no

    Licata and Conlin both said no.


    F 'em!!

    It passed! :thirishdrinkers: :th2thumbs:
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  • Sports Radio KJR ‏@SportsRadioKJR
    BREAKING: Seattle City Council votes to approve M.O.U on Sonics Arena by way of a 6-2 vote. Conlin & Licata vote no. Rasmussen absent.
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  • If you live within the city limits of Seattle, which I will soon, make sure to vote against Conlin and Licata whenever the chance arises.
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  • And there's this:

    Ian Furness ‏@IanKJR
    Breaking. A group representing the #Edmonton Oilers, including team president, owner was in Seattle today taking a tour of Key Arena. #NHL


    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-o ... y-relocate

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    Btw, hearing rumor Wayne Gretzky is in town. Hangin with Hansen tonight
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  • Wow that was quick
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