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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...  Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:01 pm |
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Last night was a ton of fun. I sat with the guys from SonicsGate. If you watched the debate online, you likely heard us yelling a time or two. The atmosphere was cool. It was mostly pro-arena. Max Vekich and his wife were sitting up front and being loud and obnoxious. But other than them and a couple other Port people, it was mostly supportive. Cheers for Mike Salk ripping Tom Albro and Peter Steinbrueck. At times raucous jeers for Steinbrueck.
Mike Salk was on FIRE. Love that dude. He absolutely killed Albro and Steinbrueck on separate occasions. Steinbrueck was exactly what he is, a sniveling weasel playing his baseless fear-mongering game. Going off about how the deal was made in secret (which did nothing but set up Salk to call him out for his relationship with the Port and hidden discussions that took place prior. Albro was the politician he is, looking out for his company’s interests. Said a bunch of whatever. And Mike O’Brien really was great. Super cool, very smart. Played the role of peacemaker as opposed to Salk’s rabid bulldog. All in all, a good conversation, IMO. It once again hammered home the fact that the Port does nothing but repeat it's rhetoric and try to scare everyone. Salk and O'Brien were CLEARLY the two smartest guys on that panel, and it showed.
They took written questions from the audience. Was disappointed they only asked a couple. But got mine chosen. Brought up the fact that the Port gets about $75 million a year in public subsidy from property taxes, so why can’t the Port team with the city and Hansen on the needed infrastructure improvements. He went on to give a very political answer about how the Port already does that and looks out for the environment, blah blah. Mainly, I just wanted it reiterated that the Port gets public money, and them crying with their hand out constantly is disingenuous.
As for the moderators. I was split. I don't know their names. But I thought the guy did a fairly decent job being even-handed. The girl, Erica, I think, she was exactly what you said, Pink. Set up the Port to make their tired old claims, and put the hard questions on the pro guys. She said something ridiculous at one point about will people with strollers want to walk a mile to the arena. In actuality her stupid questions only set up Salk and O'Brien that much better. Like I said before, they were both on point. Felt really good about how they came off as opposed to Steinbrueck and Albro.
They’ll be posting the audio later. I suggest listening if you didn’t watch last night. It was a hoot.
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:16 pm |
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SeaTown81 wrote: Last night was a ton of fun. I sat with the guys from SonicsGate. If you watched the debate online, you likely heard us yelling a time or two. The atmosphere was cool. It was mostly pro-arena. Max Vekich and his wife were sitting up front and being loud and obnoxious. But other than them and a couple other Port people, it was mostly supportive. Cheers for Mike Salk ripping Tom Albro and Peter Steinbrueck. At times raucous jeers for Steinbrueck.
Mike Salk was on FIRE. Love that dude. He absolutely killed Albro and Steinbrueck on separate occasions. Steinbrueck was exactly what he is, a sniveling weasel playing his baseless fear-mongering game. Going off about how the deal was made in secret (which did nothing but set up Salk to call him out for his relationship with the Port and hidden discussions that took place prior. Albro was the politician he is, looking out for his company’s interests. Said a bunch of whatever. And Mike O’Brien really was great. Super cool, very smart. Played the role of peacemaker as opposed to Salk’s rabid bulldog. All in all, a good conversation, IMO. It once again hammered home the fact that the Port does nothing but repeat it's rhetoric and try to scare everyone. Salk and O'Brien were CLEARLY the two smartest guys on that panel, and it showed.
They took written questions from the audience. Was disappointed they only asked a couple. But got mine chosen. Brought up the fact that the Port gets about $75 million a year in public subsidy from property taxes, so why can’t the Port team with the city and Hansen on the needed infrastructure improvements. He went on to give a very political answer about how the Port already does that and looks out for the environment, blah blah. Mainly, I just wanted it reiterated that the Port gets public money, and them crying with their hand out constantly is disingenuous.
As for the moderators. I was split. I don't know their names. But I thought the guy did a fairly decent job being even-handed. The girl, Erica, I think, she was exactly what you said, Pink. Set up the Port to make their tired old claims, and put the hard questions on the pro guys. She said something ridiculous at one point about will people with strollers want to walk a mile to the arena. In actuality her stupid questions only set up Salk and O'Brien that much better. Like I said before, they were both on point. Felt really good about how they came off as opposed to Steinbrueck and Albro.
They’ll be posting the audio later. I suggest listening if you didn’t watch last night. It was a hoot. Thanks for the insight Seatown, you have really helped me through this process by breaking down all the happenings, it is greatly appreciated! _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:57 pm |
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No problem. My pleasure.
One thing I wanted to add to my comments above regarding the Publicola debate. Mike Salk said it on the radio today and I totally agree with him. Mike O’Brien was really impressive. He’s clearly a smart guy and understands all the complicated aspects of the deal, while also is able to explain them to people who don’t or are trying to sensationalize the facts. While Salk played the role of rabid bulldog, O’Brien was the peacemaker explaining the merit’s of the deal, along with the fact the city council is trying to make it a win-win. He was very cool and collected.
Which leads me to my point. When I first saw O’Brien’s name on the letter yesterday, I was bothered. He has been supportive up to this point. So why jump in on the big mean letter? O’Brien spoke with Sally Clark and Tim Burgess at the press conference yesterday regarding the letter. That to me was key in believing Clark and Burgess when they say they are trying to work towards a yes. O’Brien clearly is supportive on this. I just think he understands the reality of the situation. He’s doing everything he can to make sure his fellow council members do not follow Richard Conlin off to the dark side. By participating in the letter and working along side Burgess and Clark, he’s doing a lot to help the negotiations run smoothly and hopefully fairly, IMO. That’s the vibe I’m getting after hearing O’Brien speak at the debate last night. Sure hope I’m right. Because if Sally Clark and Tim Burgess are telling us the truth that they want to make this happen and are willing to be fair, I see absolutely no way this can’t and won’t pass.
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:47 pm |
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If passed, how long do you guys think it would take to construct the arena, ready for play? Would it be using the Safeco garage for parking, or would another parking facility for the arena need to be built? Not sure how much real estate is involved is why I'm asking... Hope this gets done!!! 
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:18 pm |
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SeaTown you are definitely an extremely needed breath of fresh air and great source during all this
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:41 pm |
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Lieutenant Dan wrote: If passed, how long do you guys think it would take to construct the arena, ready for play? Would it be using the Safeco garage for parking, or would another parking facility for the arena need to be built? Not sure how much real estate is involved is why I'm asking... Hope this gets done!!! It will take a couple years to build. Conventional wisdom is they'd have to play at Key Arena for a couple seasons. Not sure about how parking is going to work. Hansen's land is going to involve more than just an arena. Details not exactly known yet.  _________________ LET'S RALLY TO BUILD A NEW HOME
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:09 pm |
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Awesome recap Seatown! Thanks for keeping us informed! 
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:41 pm |
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Awesome stuff. Love that we have so many vested Sonic fans on this board.
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:17 pm |
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Good news to go with the onslaught of stupidity from the anti-arena clownshoes. I get so irritated watching anything on this because it's such a great plan, well thought out, well proposed, and still the chuckleheads do everything they can to oppose it. They're like a bad movie villain, whose only role is to thwart and defeat the good guys by whatever means necessary, even if it means their very lives. Pathetic.
Also who's the muttonchopped dude in Sonics gear I keep seeing at all the meetings and on the news. The one that looks a little like Werewolf in London. He's hardcore Sonics, that's for sure! Anyone here?
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:11 pm |
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Seahawk Sailor wrote: Good news to go with the onslaught of stupidity from the anti-arena clownshoes. I get so irritated watching anything on this because it's such a great plan, well thought out, well proposed, and still the chuckleheads do everything they can to oppose it. They're like a bad movie villain, whose only role is to thwart and defeat the good guys by whatever means necessary, even if it means their very lives. Pathetic.
Also who's the muttonchopped dude in Sonics gear I keep seeing at all the meetings and on the news. The one that looks a little like Werewolf in London. He's hardcore Sonics, that's for sure! Anyone here? You talking about Sonics Guy? He's from Tacoma, but he's always at Sonics events in his fan gear. I ran the Sound to Narrows and he was there with a couple other Sonics fans waving his big Sonics flags and spreading the word.
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:22 pm |
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:45 pm |
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:01 pm |
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:03 am |
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SeaTown81 wrote: Lieutenant Dan wrote: If passed, how long do you guys think it would take to construct the arena, ready for play? Would it be using the Safeco garage for parking, or would another parking facility for the arena need to be built? Not sure how much real estate is involved is why I'm asking... Hope this gets done!!! It will take a couple years to build. Conventional wisdom is they'd have to play at Key Arena for a couple seasons. Not sure about how parking is going to work. Hansen's land is going to involve more than just an arena. Details not exactly known yet. THank you sir. I like that aerial shot; first time I ever noticed the skew of Safeco and it's roof, too I'd suppose a parking garage would probably go with it, since the other two facilities have their own garages.
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:45 am |
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What the hell does "Z" on a compass mean?
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:00 pm |
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:09 pm |
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:52 pm |
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AbsolutNET wrote: What the hell does "Z" on a compass mean? That's awesome!
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:21 pm |
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Still lots of work left to do with this thing. But I thought I'd share a message from Brian Robinson of Arena Solution: Quote: Feedback from staffers and others continues to indicate good faith negotiations and intention to work out reasonable compromise on this deal by members of city council. #proudofpolitics Part of this is the honest vibe going around, part also Brian keeping pressure on the city council to continue to negotiate in good faith. But it's definitely good news. Lot's better than hearing scuttlebutt that things are heading the other direction. Here's to the momentum continuing! _________________ LET'S RALLY TO BUILD A NEW HOME
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Post subject: Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread... Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:29 pm |
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Can you guys hurry up and get this done already? I'm tired of seeing a new post in the sports forum, hoping to find something actually about sports to read and then just seeing another update on this thread (or even worse the "summer transfers soccer thread")!!
(For the record, as a portlander I do really really hope that Seattle gets a team back, i'm just tired of hearing about it and want it over already... as i'm sure you guys do too!)
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