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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:10 pm
  • Anyone else get this email, with a link to:

    http://your.kingcounty.gov/mkcc/members ... Enews.html

    The development of an NBA and NHL arena in SODO has the potential to impact important segments of our economy, including construction, tourism, and maritime industries. That is why I am proposing an amendment to the MOU that will require an independent Economic Impact Analysis be included as part of any final arena deal.

    Statements have been made on both sides of this issue about the potential impact of the arena on jobs and economic growth in our region. Rather than use anecdotal or incomplete information, however, we need an independent evaluation of the potential impacts – both positive and negative – on the region’s economy.

    Under my proposal, the independent Economic Impact Analysis will be performed after the MOU has been adopted as part of the next stages of review and permitting for the project and before any issuance of public financing for the project.


    /sigh

    So construction, growth, new teams, new restaurants/bars, and more tourist dollars, would NEGATIVELY impact our economy?? What?

    I swear to god, there is this strange undercurrent of Seattlies that is terrified of growth, of getting bigger and better. :34853_doh:
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:18 pm
  • Didn't the king county council already do a 3rd party analysis?
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Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:38 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Didn't the king county council already do a 3rd party analysis?


    Yes...

    Whatever. If they want to do it again, let em. The same crap is going to come out.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:52 pm
  • They keep running stuff with different companies hoping to get the results they want to throw it in the media and say I told you so and we were right. Doesn't matter that it was the 30th survey and impact study and that 29 showed a different conclusion.

    Typical Seattle BS, for all those that live here we hang our head in shame at how we can never get anything done here due to these tactics by all of our elected people no matter if it's City, County, or State.

    For all those outside of Seattle that are rolling on the floor laughing at us or simply shaking your head and feel sympathy for us that live here thanks on both accounts.
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Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:57 am

Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:28 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    For all those outside of Seattle that are rolling on the floor laughing at us or simply shaking your head and feel sympathy for us that live here thanks on both accounts.


    In my case, I'm from Seattle, residing in Memphis for now (till we can move back in the next couple of years). I love my city and the Northwest in general, but Seattle politics specifically and Washington State politics in general are embarrassing (but never compared to CA LOL).

    Plus, especially on the arena issue, I don't have as much 'pull' in voicing my concerns to the councils due to living out of state. But that hasn't stopped me from emailing them anyway :)

    I've lived here in Memphis since 2003. Still feel like a visitor, just waiting to go back home after all this time. Looking forward to the day it happens, and we go back to Seattle every year and play tourist :)
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:39 am
  • The Bellevue talk is nothing but a distractionary tactic by Pete Von Reichbauer, who represents the Mariners interests over the public's, and who has been against this thing from the start. It's been reported that he has ties to this Bellevue talk. He knows that this thing is close to passing, so he's trying to get people distracted and focused on Bellevue and Don Levin, the out of state investor who talked to Bellevue about the NHL last year. Bellevue stated long ago that it was interested in having an arena built there. They just need the investors and plan. To this day, they have yet to get that. Von Reichbauer is doing nothing but drumming up those old talks and Levin's interests simply to get all of the fans and citizens backing Chris Hansen to divert their focus and energy. PVR is desperate. This is his hail mary before the county votes on Monday. Don't fall for his BS.

    The funny thing is if he fails to sway his own council at the county, all he's done is risk scaring the Seattle city council into passing this plan out of fear of a Bellevue arena popping up and taking all of their business to the Eastside. Talk about a death nail to Key Arena. PVR may have really screwed up on this. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

    Anyone who can attend Monday's hearing/potential vote, please do so. We are so close!
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:45 am
  • With a vote possibly coming on Monday, SonicsArena.com is urging everyone to call all of the County Council members to let them know you support the proposal.

    Even if you don't live in King County, give them a call. Let them know what this means to you. And if you do live outside of the county, let them know that this will bring you into their region and it will lead to you spending money there. A guy from Yakima spoke at last week's hearing and talked about how he took the day off work to come to Seattle just to speak. And that his wife and children were at that moment using his credit card at Seattle Center. More than a couple city and county council members mentioned after the meeting that he stood out to them.

    Please call AND email! If you aren't able to call during business hours, leave a message!

    District 1
    Bob Ferguson
    bob.ferguson@kingcounty.gov
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    206-296-1001

    District 3
    Kathy Lambert
    kathy.lambert@kingcounty.gov
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    206-296-1003

    District 4
    Larry Phillips
    larry.phillips@kingcounty.gov
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    206-296-1004

    District 5
    Julia Patterson
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    206-296-1005

    District 2
    Larry Gossett, Council Chair
    larry.gossett@kingcounty.gov
    206-296-1002

    District 6
    Jane Hague, Council Vice Chair
    jane.hague@kingcounty.gov
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    206-296-1006

    District 7
    Pete von Reichbauer
    pete.vonreichbauer@kingcounty.gov
    206-296-1007

    District 8
    Joe McDermott
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    206-296-1008

    District 9
    Reagan Dunn
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Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:15 am
  • Here's the details for the meeting on Monday, when the potential county vote could take place.

    Council Chambers, King County Courthouse
    516 3rd Ave, 10th Floor
    Seattle, WA 98104
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:16 am
  • Seatown, I salute you, man!

    Everytime theres something negative that happens and causes me to have an overreactionary emotional response, you come in to this thread and hit us with the "calm the hell on down". You and everyone else who've been part of this movement from the jump in February deserve personal gold plated seats with cusions though, because that'd suck to sit on for 48 minutes a game you know.

    I have a feeling this is going to happen, even against the scrubby Mariners and the whiney Ports protests, I remember back when this came out that they could be against it but they ultimately couldn't stop it, anyone else remember that? It won't be long before we're sitting there rocking our green and gold at the Keyarena for 2 years and then at the new arena for many many many years more. We have to keep the pressure up though on these guys.

    To put it into a basketball image, its the 4th quarter with a minute left, we have about a 6pt lead but we need to keep the pressure on a little bit longer! I'm talking full court press, and trapping the hell out of the ball type pressure.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:08 pm
  • Ha. Nice analogy, Throwdown. Here's the one Brian Robinson gave today at SonicsCentral.com:

    For starters please be vigilant in spreading positive stories and news over the next several days. It is important that we do not coast in the final hours. Also attendance at the county council meeting is important. Consider that we are in a playoff game, up by 4 with a minute left, but WE ARE PLAYING ON THE ROAD. If we lose intensity for a second the momentum will turn. Please come if possible.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:58 pm
  • Anybody hear Levin on Colabro today?

    At probably any other time I'd be pumped, as I would for any investor wanting to get an arena in the region that'll bring the NBA and NHL to town. His timing couldn't be worse, though. To me, the guy sounds like the polar opposite of Hansen. He can't string together a sentence, he makes big promises that he later turns around and retracts a sentence later, and any big promises that survive the conversation seem a little too good to be true. No public money, actually I do need bonds, oh but my borrowed bonds will be fully guaranteed by "a financial institution". His argument for why his plan is better rested on better location (nuh uh) and that he knows how to make more money off of concessions.

    If Levin were the only guy in the picture, I'd be behind him, but in comparison to what else we have on the table and the guy behind that other offer, Levin sounds like a con man with sweaty palms nervously trying to sell you big dreams at the last second.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:12 pm
  • Typically with a deal this close you don't have professionals come in and try to unseat a situation like this, sounds like someone is using some clout to as stated divide the masses and use a unproven situation with empty promises to derail this, question is which council member is doing it?
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:05 pm
  • Curtis Crabtree‏@Curtis_Crabtree

    City Council asking Chris Hansen to cover city's yearly $300k subsidy to Seattle Storm & funds for traffic improvements via


    What a freakin joke. I'd have told them to get bent long ago, and now they try this crap?
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Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:52 pm
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    City Council asking Chris Hansen to cover city's yearly $300k subsidy to Seattle Storm & funds for traffic improvements via


    What a freakin joke. I'd have told them to get bent long ago, and now they try this crap?


    Oh brother.......:sad:
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:28 pm
  • City is just trying to extort money from him to cover the cost of KEY arena maintenance and operations as much as they can. I like the traffic improvement part, hey we screwed up Seattle traffic, were going to try to fix it will you pay for that to on top of fixing and refurbishing the SODO area for your arena.

    These guys make the Sopranos look like school yard bullies.
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Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:32 pm
  • Then he should own the wack ass storm then.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:29 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Then he should own the wack ass storm then.


    I just want to know what happens if he says no, they tell him to get lost, and then the WNBA folds like it will. What is THEIR backup plan for the Key?

    Seriously, this is beyond psychotic. If/When this passes, Chris deserves a damn statue for all the crap he has had to endure. We definitely don't deserve him.
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Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:22 pm
  • JOz56 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:Then he should own the wack ass storm then.


    I just want to know what happens if he says no, they tell him to get lost, and then the WNBA folds like it will. What is THEIR backup plan for the Key?

    Seriously, this is beyond psychotic. If/When this passes, Chris deserves a damn statue for all the crap he has had to endure. We definitely don't deserve him.


    So what you're saying is he's not the hero we deserve but the hero we need?
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:19 am
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    Throwdown wrote:Then he should own the wack ass storm then.


    I just want to know what happens if he says no, they tell him to get lost, and then the WNBA folds like it will. What is THEIR backup plan for the Key?

    Seriously, this is beyond psychotic. If/When this passes, Chris deserves a damn statue for all the crap he has had to endure. We definitely don't deserve him.


    HA! Well done. Didn't even realize what i said :P
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:54 pm
  • Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    Hearing some things on Arena story tonight. #1, Port of Seattle rumored to have a press conference scheduled tomorrow. No time/location.


    Oh Jesus effing Christ. That's going to be a nightmare for sure. I doubt they suddenly found a bunch of data and research to back their claims, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them jump in on dangling the Bellevue option.

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    #2, KC Council Member Jane Hague sent email to constituents suggesting council will take 2nd vote on final MOU after City approves

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    #3, KC Council member Kathy Lambert may introduce amendment to satisfy Port. Her vote may hinge on Port reax

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    #4, language may be introduced tomorrow to reflect Bellevue involvement and SEPA law satisfaction


    Anyone with more knowledge understand that last one? Why would their need to be language reflecting Bellevue in a vote to approve the MOU for an entirely different project, and without even a hint of an actual plan from that city?

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    #5, projected YES votes for KC Council vote tomorrow: McDermott, Gossett, Ferguson, Hague and Patterson. Lambert 50/50. Rest leaning no.

    Dave Softy Mahler ‏@Softykjr
    And #6, source telling me City Council insinuating their vote on arena may not come for month or so.


    So that means they'll wait until after their 2-week recess? Bet this thing keeps getting pushed and pushed.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:03 pm
  • I said way back they will make this political, if they continue to push out after the primary then it becomes a campaign issue and things can change quickly then.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:29 pm
  • Via Twitter earlier today:

    Aaron Levine ‏@AaronQ13Fox
    Arena supporters: We have emails/documents w evidence of opponents intentionally spreading misinformation to defeat the SoDo proposal.


    Aaron Levine ‏@AaronQ13Fox
    Per email documentation, Peter Steinbrueck lied to the Seattle Times about testimony to City Council as a neutral "concerned citizen"
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:44 pm
  • Did Levine delete that first tweet? I went back to grab that one to post as well, but it appeared to be gone.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:52 pm
  • WOW! What a crazy day in the arena story! Sailor linked to some of it. But basically what he have is emails and documents that link high ranking Port and longshoremen officials in both conspiring to take down the arena (with public money) and spread misinformation and fear mongering fliers around town.

    To make it simple, the documents prove that ILWU rep Max Vekich is directly tied to a group called "Save Our SODO" that have spread crazy ridiculous propaganda fliers around town. Secondly, emails have leaked that prove that former Seattle city council member Peter Steinbrueck, who has since signed a paid contract to consult with the Port, was in league with the Port back when he first made his rant against the arena to the county council. Back when he claimed to be just a concerned citizen. In subsequent interviews, he claimed he didn't get in contact with the Port until after he spoke at the county council. The emails that have been revealed prove otherwise.

    http://sonicsgate.com/public/docs/port/ ... timony.pdf

    There's a lot more too.

    And here comes the really interesting part. Peter Steinbrueck, former city council member who is currently being paid $60,000 as a consultant to the Port, who LIED about his relationship with the Port, who is currently being paid by the Port who is funded by public taxpayer subsidy, who is also potentially going to run for Mayor next year, just so happens to be attending a public debate tomorrow night. Publicola, a local news outlet, is holding a debate on the arena tomorrow night at Evo in Capital Hill. Steinbrueck, along with Port commissioner Tom Albro will be talking along with Seattle City Council member Mike O'Brien, and Mike Salk of 710 ESPN. Peter Steinbrueck was busted today on lying his ass off to the people of Seattle. Tomorrow he is going to speak in a public forum. I CAN'T WAIT.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:53 pm
  • Mike Salk, who is debating the arena at the Publicola event tomorrow night against Peter Steinbrueck and Tom Albro, just now on Twitter:

    Mike Salk ‏@BrockandSalk
    Kudos to the SonicsGate guys for getting the email proof on Steinbruek’s paid relationship w/ the Port that he lied about to Council.

    Mike Salk ‏@BrockandSalk
    I don’t feel comfortable posting the emails b/c I would hate if that happened to me, but others have.

    Mike Salk ‏@BrockandSalk
    This should make tomorrow’s 7PM debate @ EVO in CapHill juicier. Please come as I debate Steinbruek and a Port Commish: http://is.gd/1EaYWc
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:03 pm
  • I have a feeling that event tomorrow night isn't going to be that much fun for Peter Steinbrueck. That's a whole lotta ugly to come out on the subject just before he has to talk about it in front of a whole bunch of people who know he's been lying his ass off.

    And no, Pink, that tweet was just there as of a few minutes ago. It was from 11 hours earlier at the time I posted it.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:26 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:I have a feeling that event tomorrow night isn't going to be that much fun for Peter Steinbrueck. That's a whole lotta ugly to come out on the subject just before he has to talk about it in front of a whole bunch of people who know he's been lying his ass off.

    And no, Pink, that tweet was just there as of a few minutes ago. It was from 11 hours earlier at the time I posted it.

    D'oh. I was just going through his recent tweets as I had seen it recently, the 11 hour ago bit made me realize I'm not actually following Levine but saw the retweet by the Sonicsgate guys.

    Just read through the leaked documents. Pretty insane to see what's going behind closed doors on that side while Hansen is being the one called suspicious and underhanded.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:31 pm
  • Here is the address for the Publicola debate. It’s at 7pm at EVO on Capital Hill.

    1715 East Olive Way
    Seattle, Washington 98102

    Attending will be 710 ESPN's Mike Salk, Seattle City Council Member Mike O’Brien, Port Commissioner Tom Albro, and the VIP of the ball, Peter Steinbrueck.

    I wasn't originally planning on attending. It didn't seem like that big a deal. But given today's revelations on Steinbrueck, you bet your bottom dollar I'll be there. I want to see his smug face when he's called out for his lies. And if he isn't, I'll be the one to do so.
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Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:35 pm
  • And here's the info for the county council hearing. The hearing that just might pass the proposal:

    King County Council Meeting
    Monday, July 30th
    Meeting begins 1:30pm (Estimated end time, 4:00pm)

    Council Chambers, King County Courthouse
    516 3rd Ave, 12th Floor
    Seattle, WA 98104
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:33 am
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:58 am
  • Bob Ferguson is going to reveal his vote on KJR at 8AM, keep your radios tuned!
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:14 am
  • Throwdown wrote:Bob Ferguson is going to reveal his vote on KJR at 8AM, keep your radios tuned!


    And his vote is...

    Aaron Levine ‏@AaronQ13Fox
    King County Councilman Bob Ferguson announces on @SportsRadioKJR he will vote in favor of Arena Plan. One down, four to go at KCC.


    Bam!

    Also:

    Aaron Levine ‏@AaronQ13Fox
    Ferguson: I'm optimistic there will be a vote today, optimistic it will be favorable to Sonics fans. (On @SportsRadioKJR)
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:26 am
  • Ferg is definetly the man right now, also kind of threw PVR under the bus in the interview.

    It was an 8-0 vote to go ahead with what will happen today, and yes PVR voted in favor to move ahead and he pretty much said PVR didn't want it and was saying "its too early" for a vote was to make himself look better. Soooo Ferg, you da man and PVR suck it!
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:18 am
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    City Council sends letter 2 Hansen. Says without changes to MOU "We do not believe proceeding with project would be in Citys best interest."


    Signed by 8/9 members.
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    City Council sends letter 2 Hansen. Says without changes to MOU "We do not believe proceeding with project would be in Citys best interest."


    Signed by 8/9 members.


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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:55 am
  • Essex J. Porter ‏@EssexKIRO7
    CITY council members are asking developer Chris Hansen to make changes allowing some #SeattleArena revenues to address traffic concerns.
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    Essex J. Porter ‏@EssexKIRO7
    KING COUNTY COUNCIL members expected to approve #SeattleArena agreement today with amendments after 1:30p public hearing at courthouse
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:30 am
  • http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seat ... 01046.html

    A letter addressed to Hansen and signed by eight council members states the agreements in the Memorandum of Understanding "do not represent an appropriate balance of public and private funds, nor do they sufficiently protect the city from the financial risks inherent in the arena's financing."


    The council members said if the issues can be resolved, they are prepared to move quickly on approving a legislative package.


    Basically, is this the city's counter-offer? Let the negotiations begin?
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:06 pm
  • Salk is very adamant that this is just political posturing. He feels this is a small bump in the road. He thinks this is something Hansen should and did expect. Hansen is smart enough to know you don't lead with your best offer otherwise you have nothing to negotiate.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:10 pm
  • Still, Hansen's "worst/first" offer is a damn sight better than A) expected, B) required, and C) evidently deserved.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:43 pm
  • Man.....how much more is Hansen gonna take from the city........I mean I get political posturing.....but when does it get too much?
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:47 pm
  • I don't think Hansen ever thought his proposal was going to get through unchanged, or that his contribution would be only what he pledged originally. Dude is a savvy businessman, he knows your first offer won't likely be your final offer. The City Council has said that they still would like to vote by August 20th, so if the CC and Hansen can hash it out, we might still get the vote done. Apparently nothing being said about having to pass SEPA prior to the MOU being accepted, so who knows, this could end up being a good thing. Just will depend on how fast the negotiating goes, but I think it's safe to say both the CC and Hansen know that Bellevue is lurking in the shadows to some extent, so the sooner they get this done the better.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:49 pm
  • I hate to be a naysayer but I don't think Seattle government really gives a shit about getting another team.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:59 pm
  • Hawksfanatik wrote:I hate to be a naysayer but I don't think Seattle government really gives a shit about getting another team.

    I'm not sure many politicians in any city do. They're interested in getting their pound of flesh by slapping something on the MOU (just like they do bills) so they can go to their constituents and say "SEE! Look what I did!" Hansen expected that, or else he came in unprepared to deal with politicians.

    I actually think the ball is rolling better than it was 2 days ago right now. The CC has laid out what they're looking for, their first line of negotiations basically, as opposed to just general negative sentiment and worry from the council. I think they want this to happen, but on their terms. They want to gain political capital out of this. It's shameful, but it's nothing any of us should be surprised by. It's politics. Everybody who puts their hands on this wants their stamp on it. The CC is the biggest example, as they want to get a) the regard for helping get us a new arena and team(s) AND b) to please the anti-arena folk by bleeding Hansen dry/getting some of the things the opponents are hollering for. They'll meet somewhere in the middle and this will get done. I believe it.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:55 pm
  • Tim Booth ‏@ByTimBooth
    Council woman Julia Patterson: "When we’re done with our vote today, the arena is not going to be built." #SeattleArena


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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:58 pm
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:59 pm
  • People who can actually vote in this area better correct some mistakes come next election.
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Re: NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:44 pm
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    Council woman Julia Patterson: "When we’re done with our vote today, the arena is not going to be built." #SeattleArena


    What a wonderful woman.


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