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  • twisted_steel2 wrote:
    pinksheets wrote:Emily Heffter @EmilyHeffter
    Arena construction would not start until both an NBA and NHL team are acquired. It includes no new taxes.

    Is that accurate? That seems like a tall order to coordinate with two separate sports leagues when it's already tough enough to get a team, but to time it accordingly so this gets done seems tougher.


    I keep hearing it's at least one.... who ever commits first (an NBA team or and NHL team), then construction begins. That does seem crazy difficult to try and coordinate acquiring both at the same time to pull off the arena plan.

    Reports say that we need both NHL and NBA for them to break ground.

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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:11 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:5 words for you blazer fans

    Sam Bowie and Greg Oden


    If you wanna talk smack at a blazer fan only 2 words are necessary: Raymond Felton.

    Geeesh, our starting point guard had more turnovers then points, rebounds and assists combined tonight. 0-7 shooting, 2 assists, 2 rebounds, 5 turnovers. He might be the worst player in the NBA this season and Nate refuses to bench him.
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  • So from what I understand from listening to a few sports talk radio shows with hosts I can't name, I'm feeling pretty optimistic.

    The consensus seems to be that there's probably a decent amount worked out behind the scenes with the NBA and NHL for things to have gotten to this point, as there's little chance they'd make a big spectacle like they did yesterday if things weren't looking very, very likely.

    Also, about having to secure two teams, it sounds like it's not as tough as I thought. We might not specifically get told 'the Coyotes are coming your way', but we could get an agreement that 'a team' will come to Seattle within a certain time frame and that should suffice.
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  • Another aspect of this that is noteworthy... All the talk you hear from both league's (NBA, NHL) leadership and different city officials all saying "this team is not leaving (insert city name here)", don't believe them. What else are they going to say? They can't say "Yeah, they're outta here". It's all BS. All that would do is incite hysteria from the fans in whatever city they said that about. They have to stay mum and tippy-toe around the issue, even if they know damn well they're going to relocate. So, when Stern says New Orleans is off the table, don't think for a second that it's true. He has to save face eventually and blame it on someone else.
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  • How else can you expect the NBA to leverage the city of Sacramento if they say that the Hornets are available.

    You can tell that Stern is lying when his lips move.
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  • Last year there was speculation that the Atlanta Thrashers were moving to Winnepeg. All throughout the last quarter of the season and thru the playoffs everyone involved denied it. Then as soon as the Cup was awarded the news came pouring out that the Jets were back and that it was a done deal for like the longest time. (I assume when the speculation started). This time last year it was rumoured that the league had prepared two schedules for 2011/12, one with Atlanta one with Winnipeg. This year there is no such rumours so I'd assume that it's either a done deal or a complete no go. I'd guess that it's a done deal.

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  • "However, TSN notes that the NHL might not be interested in leaving Atlanta just yet. "We've been working with local ownership for quite a long time now, in terms of trying to find a new local ownership in that market," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN. "Luckily, that has gone largely under the radar screen, but the fact of the matter is that it has been transpiring. We believe what we say, which is that we're committed to the markets in which we put our franchises. We should make all reasonable efforts to keep franchises there."

    Sound familiar?

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  • Yoonhawk wrote:"However, TSN notes that the NHL might not be interested in leaving Atlanta just yet. "We've been working with local ownership for quite a long time now, in terms of trying to find a new local ownership in that market," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN. "Luckily, that has gone largely under the radar screen, but the fact of the matter is that it has been transpiring. We believe what we say, which is that we're committed to the markets in which we put our franchises. We should make all reasonable efforts to keep franchises there."

    Sound familiar?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/rumors/post ... nhl-353508


    Exactly what I was referring to. Total BS. They want the fans in these doomed cities to keep attending the games and spending their dollars while feeling reassured by statements like this that the league and government is "on their side". Pshaw! We've been there, done that, and know better.

    I believe that as far as this proposal has gone, the insiders on this deal already know what's going to transpire in the next couple years. We're just not privvy to it, and won't be until it actually happens. JMHO.
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  • Breaking news on the phoenix coyotes front. Paul Silvi just reported on King5 news that a guy name Greg Jamison has just been approved by the NHL to purchase the franchise. It is unclear if he intends to keep the team in Phoenix. I got the feeling that that's exactly what he intends to do. No panic though. After quite a bit of research, I've discovered that there are at least 5 NHL teams that could be had. Do your Google research, 'cause there ain't much as of this posting.
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  • Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am not so convinced this city will support 4 professional teams.

    We will see but I my reservations.

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  • Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.
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  • Msfann wrote:Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.


    We support our teams when they win. No doubt. But nobody in the country is going to confuse us with a great sports town.

    I am all over having more teams. I know that I don't have the coin to attend more then a handful of hockey or basketball games. Not with my current commitment to the Seahawks.

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  • Tech Worlds wrote:
    Msfann wrote:Seattle has never had a problem supporting its teams, i don't see why that would change now. they welcomed the sounders with open arms and that looked great to any sport looking to move this way. I'm no hockey fan but if we got a team i would be all over that and would watch/go to games all the time.


    We support our teams when they win. No doubt. But nobody in the country is going to confuse us with a great sports town.

    I am all over having more teams. I know that I don't have the coin to attend more then a handful of hockey or basketball games. Not with my current commitment to the Seahawks.

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    But teams make more money off people watching at home due to commercials and the revenue that generates, where was the most money they can get off of you is the high price of concessions.
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  • BlueThunder wrote:Breaking news on the phoenix coyotes front. Paul Silvi just reported on King5 news that a guy name Greg Jamison has just been approved by the NHL to purchase the franchise. It is unclear if he intends to keep the team in Phoenix. I got the feeling that that's exactly what he intends to do. No panic though. After quite a bit of research, I've discovered that there are at least 5 NHL teams that could be had. Do your Google research, 'cause there ain't much as of this posting.


    Thats not good news for us.......Yes there are other franchises that our in hot water, but not nearly warm enough for them to fear relocation in the near future.
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  • Tech Worlds wrote:Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am not so convinced this city will support 4 professional teams.

    We will see but I my reservations.


    It will definatly be interesting to see what happens to the Mariners and the Seahawks attendance if both the NBA and NHL do end up in Seattle. The Sounders should do pretty well since that's still basically a niche sport in our country (no offense Smurf). I'm guessing the two new teams will do really well for the first couple years whether they're winning or not due to being the new, hot thing in town. I can definatly imagine both the Seahawks and especially Mariners attendance numbers plummeting if they don't become winners.

    I think tech brings up a pretty valid point here. I know most income comes from advertising, corporate suites and such, but still owners don't want to see empty seats, and if the region is oversaturated with sporting options I think thats a very real possibility. Plus there's only so much sporting advertising to go around.

    I'm sure us old time Seahawk fans can remember half empty kingdomes with half the people that were in attendance wearing Raider gear.
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm
  • I think we are sports fans with differing degrees of fanaticism to each different sport.

    For myself I would go:

    #1 Seahawks (Fall/Winter)
    #2 Sonics (Winter/Spring
    #3 UW Football (Fall/Winter)
    #4 Mariners (Spring/Summer)
    #5 UW Basketball (Winter Spring)
    #6 Sounders (I have no clue)
    #7 Local NHL Team (I have no clue)

    I mean seriously, MLS and NHL has like 1 week off between season. I'm pretty sure.

    While it's a valid point that every fan only has so many dollars to spend, that doesn't mean that they would stop following the team on TV. More money is generated through TV rights than ticket sales. I don't think it would be an issue at all.
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 pm
  • Well reading up on the Coyotes potentially staying in Phoenix because of a local buyer, my confidence in the arena deal and getting two teams to start the arena build is well less than it was yesterday. Man I really want a NBA and NHL team, but besides a really good plan in place we have a lot of cards stacked against us.
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  • sammyc521 wrote:I think we are sports fans with differing degrees of fanaticism to each different sport.

    For myself I would go:

    #1 Seahawks (Fall/Winter)
    #2 Sonics (Winter/Spring
    #3 UW Football (Fall/Winter)
    #4 Mariners (Spring/Summer)
    #5 UW Basketball (Winter Spring)
    #6 Sounders (I have no clue)
    #7 Local NHL Team (I have no clue)

    I mean seriously, MLS and NHL has like 1 week off between season. I'm pretty sure.

    While it's a valid point that every fan only has so many dollars to spend, that doesn't mean that they would stop following the team on TV. More money is generated through TV rights than ticket sales. I don't think it would be an issue at all.


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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:05 am

Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:50 am
  • It does comply with that stupid 2006 measure. But the public will put in some money but it goes back through rent and ticket sales taxes. So I don't see where this article gets that it doesn't comply? They wouldn't hold a press conference if it didn't.

    C'mon Sacramento, quit hating and worry about yourselves, we are waiting in the bushes with our sights set on the Kings. Stop worrying about us and handle the business you've been struggling to handle well before even the Sonics left town.
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  • Well with the proposition presented to the City and announced on the radio and TV the poker game begins in earnest. This will be like coaches stating what they are going to do for the draft. Lots of rumors, innuendos, misinformation and misdirection being played out so the actual participants can avoid the wrath and questions of fan bases and disruption of the actual deals. Besides after all we went thru here in Seattle with the Sonics do you really believe anything said by any participants involved in these things till all the cards are dealt and the players have been called to show their hands.
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  • http://www.q13fox.com/sports/kcpq-if-se ... 7543.story

    This has some good info on the Sonic's history, naming/logo rights, and who owns what.

    In a 2008 settlement agreement, former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels and city council president Richard Conlin signed an agreement with Bennett that split up the teams’ assets and naming rights.

    What Seattle ended up with were the Sonics trophies and championship banners, which are now housed at the Museum of History and Industry. What Bennett got – and what Seattle wants – is the name, logo and team colors.

    For those that see the glass as being half full, Bennett said he would turn over the team name, logo and colors to a new owner, free of charge, as long as the NBA approves it.
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  • I don't see why the NBA wouldn't approve it.
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  • Cause the NBA is run by assholes... that's why it wouldn't go through.

    But this proposal is everything that the NBA could ask.
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  • If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?
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  • Fuzzman55 wrote:If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?

    Hahahaha... it should be obvious that the NBA has no integrity. How many teams have they allowed to move in the decade?

    One of their most famous teams is originally from Minnesota, and since when did Utah become synonymous with musical Jazz?
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
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    Fuzzman55 wrote:If the NBA had any integrity Clay Bennett would be removed from the head of the relocation committee. Why should anyone trust that [insert insult of choice here] not to screw us over?

    Hahahaha... it should be obvious that the NBA has no integrity. How many teams have they allowed to move in the decade?

    One of their most famous teams is originally from Minnesota, and since when did Utah become synonymous with musical Jazz?


    Pshaw! There are many lakes surrounding the greater Los Angeles area. Why the name "Los Angeles" means "Lake of the Angels" in Esperanto. And Salt Lake City is the Jazz capital of all lands within a 200 mile radius. Don' know what'chu talkin' about!
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  • On Thursday, billionaire Paul Allen, who owns the NBA’s Portland Trail Blazers and the Seattle Seahawks of the NFL, wrote basketball commissioner David Stern a love note when he released a statement essentially saying he would support an NBA team in Seattle provided the economics of a new building for the team made sense.


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  • Even if the Phoenix Coyotes get new ownership that keeps them in Phoenix there are still a lot of options. The Dallas Stars could be intriguing. They're failing in Dallas, and the new owner, Tom Gaglardi, is a Vancouver guy that felt cheated when he didn't get ownership of the Canucks. I bet he would love to get his team in Seattle and go toe-to-toe with Vancouver. Plus, Dallas comes with a young superstar from the northwest -Jamie Benn- on the roster.
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:32 am
  • Seattle City Council Member Sally Bagshaw, who said some incredibly ignorant comments on KJR last week just tweeted this:

    If we got a new #Seattlearena, would u be a season ticket holder? If so, would it be plus existing tickets, or would u drop a sport? Thx!


    https://twitter.com/#!/sallybagshaw/sta ... 8681108480

    If you support and want a new arena, let her know you do! She's under the impression that sports fans pick a sport and "drop" others. If you don't have Twitter, call her at 206-684-8801.

    In fact, if the arena or Sonics are important to you, call or email all of the city council members. There's been A LOT of misleading opinions from the anti-sports people and vague reporting going on that's leading the average citizen to think that the arena is being paid by taxpayer money. Call the council, let them hear your voice. Here's the info:

    http://www.seattle.gov/council/councilcontact.htm
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Re: New NBA/NHL/ARENA in Seattle thread...
Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:48 am
  • @sallybagshaw @Sonicsgate #seattlearena 10-,12-,16-game package no question to #Sonics basketball; I'm a 8-year #seahawks ticket holder.

    My tweet to Sally.

    I will say that she brings up valid points that non-sports people should bring up in the conversation. Now, she did come off incredibly ignorant on 710 when she basically said that the proposal, even in its current form, does not offer real guarantees. She brought up the fact that the Sonics were locked into an unbreakable lease before breaking it.

    Now, her assumptions are totally wrong. I firmly believe that teams make more money off TV rights than ticket sales, so it's a non-factor in my opinion. That doesn't mean that people will drop sport A for sport B. Usually it's a reallocation of funds instead of just dropping a sport all together.

    What I like is that this will become a hot political topic which will force lots of people to join it or draw a line in the sand.
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  • Pretty brilliant survey. 1500 anonymous subjects? Perfect
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  • whats bugging me is this lady is asking people like they're kids or something and shes our parent. Like its a dog and her questions are like "Will you pick up its poop if it does??", "will you walk it everyday?", kind of degrading IMO. Hey lady, just do your job and bring some more money to the region you chump.

    No I don't have enough money for season tickets, but if I did? you bet your sweet ass i'd be at 41 home games a season along with playoff games. But right now? making the BS money I make now, I can go to 4-5 games a year like I did in 07, and 08 before the city of Seattle ruined it.

    This lady is really bugging me, wasn't she the piece of work worried about traffic too and events over lapping like the mariners would ever be good enough to make the WS?
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  • Yeah, throwdown. Same lady.

    She's under the impression that adding sports teams is going to categorically hurt the other teams. That there is a finite amount of sports dollars. That's bs. Everyone knows that it's about the product on the field that determines fan support. The Mariners attendance has been dropping with only one other pro sports team in town (sorry Smurf, I don't count Minor League Soccer).

    You win, they go. Not to mention not all sports fans like all sports! There are a lot of people out there that like basketball or hockey, who would be going to those games that do not currently go to a ton of M's, Hawks, or Sounders games.

    There is a real market for hockey and basketball in this area. Basketball has 41 years of proof. The Supes were the most consistently supported Seattle sports team up until the last couple years where Carpetbagger Clay ran them into the ground. And there is a considerable hockey base with a couple junior league teams that draw quite well. Not to mention proximity to Canada. Canadian hockey fans are obsessed enough that they will travel 2-3 hours to see a game.

    Does having more professional sports teams put more pressure on them to put a good product on the field? Most definitely. And I think that's a good thing. You put out a product like the Mariners have for the past decade, you deserve to have your attendance drop.
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  • SeaTown81 wrote:You put out a product like the Mariners have for the past decade, you deserve to have your attendance drop.



    AMEN to that, the M's need something to compete with so they will actually give a crap and start to try to win. I do like what Jack Z is trying to do but you can still see they are the same old Mariners in the way the team operates a lot of the time, I'm afraid they will get a little better and that's it.
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  • Looks like the Kings are most likely staying in Cali

    http://www.king5.com/sports/Kings-signi ... 99263.html

    Sacramento's last shot to remain an NBA city appears headed for another overtime, at the same time dealing a major blow to Seattle's hopes of once again hosting an NBA franchise.

    In a joint statement released Wednesday, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson and NBA Commissioner David Stern said they have agreed to a "work plan" in hopes of reaching a deal to finance a new arena by the March 1 deadline. Johnson, Stern and the Maloof family, which owns the Sacramento Kings, will meet during this weekend's All-Star festivities in Orlando, Fla.

    If a plan can been hammered out in time, a term sheet will be announced March 1 and the Sacramento City Council will vote on the plan at its March 6 meeting.
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  • I knew it, I knew it.........just when I get my hopes up for a team returning to Seattle my hopes get stomped on.....
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  • I'm pissedified...

    I like how the people in Sacramento get chance after chance after chance AFTER CHANCE!

    But when it came to Seattle where was the same courtesy? hell we didn't even get ONE chance.
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  • Hornets are reportedly about to be sold locally with a long-term lease as well. At that point we're probably talking at least a couple years before another team is really on the verge of relocation and interest in the arena project could very well have faded by then.
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  • Hate to say it but good for Sacramento. I don't want to see teams leave unless the city let's them. Obviously there is enough interest there to keep them.

    We shouldn't focus on them. Our first step is to get the arena deal done. Once that is in place then we can focus on getting a team.

    If Sacramento doesn't get the arena funded then we will be ready to roll. If they do then I am sure we will look very appealing to another struggling franchise.

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  • Tech, by getting the deal done do you mean getting the OK from the 'arena board' or whatever they're called?
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  • pinksheets wrote:Tech, by getting the deal done do you mean getting the OK from the 'arena board' or whatever they're called?


    We have to to have the go ahead from the city and the county before they will issue the $200 million in bonds. Now that won't happen, the issuing of the bonds, until a team is secured but we have to at least get them to agree to issue them.

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  • Tech Worlds wrote:We shouldn't focus on them. Our first step is to get the arena deal done. Once that is in place then we can focus on getting a team.

    If Sacramento doesn't get the arena funded then we will be ready to roll. If they do then I am sure we will look very appealing to another struggling franchise.


    PRECISELY!

    And for the record. Nothing is settled in Sacramento or Phoenix. Until it is, it's all media masturbation and mediots jumping the gun. Reports in both cases say there are still final hurdles that remain.

    And like Tech says. Even if those places work their stuff out, and good for them on it, none of it matters if we don't get our crap in order and taken care of. That is what matters. We get our arena deal approved and ready to go, things will eventually work themselves out. Maybe not as quickly as we'd all like. But they will. They won't if our local government drops the ball and blows the deal or let's nonsense get in the way.
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  • I dunno man. Everything I've been hearing on local news radio has been so negative. They were basically saying how fans in Sac, N.O. and Phoenix are saying "Thank you SO much Seattle for lighting a fire under our local government and teams to get something done!". And that is exactly what it looks like. Pisses me off. We had a blueprint from the A-hole in OK on how to stealth-steal a team, and we didn't follow it. We should have had local interest look like they wanted to buy the team to keep it in X city, then let the team suck, get the attendance down, then move 'em on out! All we did was invigorate the locals with our slavering over their teams. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. I still have a whiff of optimism, but it seems to fade a little more each day.
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  • I rather us do it the way we are. With dignity. I wouldn't want to have to live with what Clay did to us.
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    Spoke with someone w/inside knowledge of the Sacramento situation and he said, "Really could go either way." "Truly a toss up."
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