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The Los Angeles Lakers
Tue May 28, 2019 6:48 pm
  • Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).

    Currently, if you are following the Lakers, they are a complete mess.

    I wish Jeannie Buss would hire me to be second in charge of the Lakers basketball operations.

    I'd turn that team around so fast, they'll be winning (playoff games) again in 3-5 years.

    Championship in 6-7 years. Tops!
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Tue May 28, 2019 8:24 pm
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).

    Currently, if you are following the Lakers, they are a complete mess.

    I wish Jeannie Buss would hire me to be second in charge of the Lakers basketball operations.

    I'd turn that team around so fast, they'll be winning (playoff games) again in 3-5 years.

    Championship in 6-7 years. Tops!

    Give us a sales pitch. What would you do to make them a playoff team in 3-5 years?

    They already have one of the 3 best players in the league in the twilight of his career. IMO they need to win a heck of a lot sooner than 3 years. Unless you plan on trading Bron.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 12:25 am
  • The Lakers are no longer a place free agents want to go. I think they need to go out and seek trades. Hoping that free agents like Jimmy Butler come to the Lakers isn't a plan. You have to be very careful when building around LeBron. He needs shooters and guys that can play off the ball. On the radio today they said they should try to trade for Bradley Beal, which I completely agree with. He can shoot the ball, and is an all-star who doesn't need to have the ball in his hands a lot to be great. Then in a year hope that Anthony Davis hits free agency and wants to go there. A core of LeBron, Beal and Davis could win you a championship.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 9:01 am
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).!


    Why do you love LA? It's the worst sports town in the country and IMO doesn't deserve success.

    It's a sports city of all the assholes from other cities who move there to be even bigger sports assholes...........they talk mad crap about how LA isn't like <fill in Philly, NY, Boston, Chicago, etc), yet when the Lakers, Dodgers or Angels are doing well they won't shut up. But then when they suck, it's back to "oh well I'm from Boston, so I love me some Red Sox anyway."

    Screw the Lakers, and all LA sports teams. Their fans are garbage, if they even bother to show up before halftime or the 5th inning.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 1:26 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).

    Currently, if you are following the Lakers, they are a complete mess.

    I wish Jeannie Buss would hire me to be second in charge of the Lakers basketball operations.

    I'd turn that team around so fast, they'll be winning (playoff games) again in 3-5 years.

    Championship in 6-7 years. Tops!

    Give us a sales pitch. What would you do to make them a playoff team in 3-5 years?

    They already have one of the 3 best players in the league in the twilight of his career. IMO they need to win a heck of a lot sooner than 3 years. Unless you plan on trading Bron.

    I'd move LeBron first.

    He's done. And nobody wants to play with him and coach him.

    Locate a coach that has a starting five offense that can play in a half court set. Be able to shoot the ball from everywhere.

    Locate 2 elite scorers (inside outside) and 3 elite (60 percent) outside shooters.

    Reserves will be made up of length and defensive pass first players.

    Control tempo on offense and play defense with length and throw bodies at the opposing team's best players.

    Draft your scorers/shooters and add lanky defensive/role players.

    Instant playoff team!
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 1:30 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).!


    Why do you love LA? It's the worst sports town in the country and IMO doesn't deserve success.

    It's a sports city of all the assholes from other cities who move there to be even bigger sports assholes...........they talk mad crap about how LA isn't like <fill in Philly, NY, Boston, Chicago, etc), yet when the Lakers, Dodgers or Angels are doing well they won't shut up. But then when they suck, it's back to "oh well I'm from Boston, so I love me some Red Sox anyway."

    Screw the Lakers, and all LA sports teams. Their fans are garbage, if they even bother to show up before halftime or the 5th inning.

    LA is great food city. Probably the biggest reason I go there. Their beaches, nightlife and other tourist attractions are pretty sweet.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 1:41 pm
  • Lakers have gotten away from the formula that made them perineal threats, get a Center pay what ever it takes to get one that's elite. Then get a ball distributor, shooters can be had anywhere or draft one. Get a guy that can run the wing and then fill in the rest. Rebounder is the other guy you need to find.

    Look at their history, that's what they have done for decades and they have gone away from it. It started with George Mikan, Then they went and Got Wilt, Kareem, Vladi, then Shaq. In between Kareem and Vladi they struggled, just like after Vladi to Shaq. They had players at Center after Shaq but not any that dominated and made teams have to really scheme.

    Also focusing on Kobe instead of the whole team was a mistake as well and they are doing it again with LeBron.

    Problem these days is finding that Elite inside guy, I don't think there are a lack of them, I think there are a lack of developed Centers and interest in the game from young guys wanting to play that are big and athletic for some reason. For decades we had a half dozen in the league all the time, now you rarely hear of an elite game changing Big Man.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 1:48 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).!


    Why do you love LA? It's the worst sports town in the country and IMO doesn't deserve success.

    It's a sports city of all the assholes from other cities who move there to be even bigger sports assholes...........they talk mad crap about how LA isn't like <fill in Philly, NY, Boston, Chicago, etc), yet when the Lakers, Dodgers or Angels are doing well they won't shut up. But then when they suck, it's back to "oh well I'm from Boston, so I love me some Red Sox anyway."

    Screw the Lakers, and all LA sports teams. Their fans are garbage, if they even bother to show up before halftime or the 5th inning.

    I don't follow the NBA after that scam the NBA pulled with Sonics..
    Why would you pick the Lakers?I would get it if you said Blazers or Kings
    but the Lakers for a Sonic fan was like a hated rival..
    Your boy Lebron?He's washed up and toxic..As one above said "he goes"
    first and then you build a team.
    I agree with Sgt..Screw LA.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 1:53 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Lakers have gotten away from the formula that made them perineal threats, get a Center pay what ever it takes to get one that's elite. Then get a ball distributor, shooters can be had anywhere or draft one. Get a guy that can run the wing and then fill in the rest. Rebounder is the other guy you need to find.

    Look at their history, that's what they have done for decades and they have gone away from it. It started with George Mikan, Then they went and Got Wilt, Kareem, Vladi, then Shaq. In between Kareem and Vladi they struggled, just like after Vladi to Shaq. They had players at Center after Shaq but not any that dominated and made teams have to really scheme.

    Also focusing on Kobe instead of the whole team was a mistake as well and they are doing it again with LeBron.

    Problem these days is finding that Elite inside guy, I don't think there are a lack of them, I think there are a lack of developed Centers and interest in the game from young guys wanting to play that are big and athletic for some reason. For decades we had a half dozen in the league all the time, now you rarely hear of an elite game changing Big Man.

    I get what your saying but have you seen how the NBA is today?
    There are no more true centers that we saw for many years..Instead
    they use a hybrid who shoots threes..Yep shoot it and if you make more
    you win..Takes a lot of the brain work out of the game :|
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 2:36 pm
  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:Anybody here care about the NBA?

    Anybody here follow the Lakers??

    I'm a Seattle born and raised on Sonics basketball but since the Sonics left, years later, I started following the Lakers (I love the city of Los Angeles).!


    Why do you love LA? It's the worst sports town in the country and IMO doesn't deserve success.

    It's a sports city of all the assholes from other cities who move there to be even bigger sports assholes...........they talk mad crap about how LA isn't like <fill in Philly, NY, Boston, Chicago, etc), yet when the Lakers, Dodgers or Angels are doing well they won't shut up. But then when they suck, it's back to "oh well I'm from Boston, so I love me some Red Sox anyway."

    Screw the Lakers, and all LA sports teams. Their fans are garbage, if they even bother to show up before halftime or the 5th inning.

    LA is great food city. Probably the biggest reason I go there. Their beaches, nightlife and other tourist attractions are pretty sweet.


    LA is the quintessential 'Fantastic visit, but living there? I'm not a lunatic, sir'
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Wed May 29, 2019 9:40 pm
  • nobody but nobody ares about the mercenary lakers who have no legecy.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Lakers have gotten away from the formula that made them perineal threats, get a Center pay what ever it takes to get one that's elite. Then get a ball distributor, shooters can be had anywhere or draft one. Get a guy that can run the wing and then fill in the rest. Rebounder is the other guy you need to find.

    Look at their history, that's what they have done for decades and they have gone away from it. It started with George Mikan, Then they went and Got Wilt, Kareem, Vladi, then Shaq. In between Kareem and Vladi they struggled, just like after Vladi to Shaq. They had players at Center after Shaq but not any that dominated and made teams have to really scheme.

    Also focusing on Kobe instead of the whole team was a mistake as well and they are doing it again with LeBron.

    Problem these days is finding that Elite inside guy, I don't think there are a lack of them, I think there are a lack of developed Centers and interest in the game from young guys wanting to play that are big and athletic for some reason. For decades we had a half dozen in the league all the time, now you rarely hear of an elite game changing Big Man.

    I get what your saying but have you seen how the NBA is today?
    There are no more true centers that we saw for many years..Instead
    they use a hybrid who shoots threes..Yep shoot it and if you make more
    you win..Takes a lot of the brain work out of the game :|


    To be honest about the time the Sonics were stolen I stopped watching, no investment anymore. I did see the transition start to go to the Three and isolation on the perimeter screens to create room to shoot more threes. Your right however no defense, no offense except street ball mentality really.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 11:55 am
  • chris98251 wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Lakers have gotten away from the formula that made them perineal threats, get a Center pay what ever it takes to get one that's elite. Then get a ball distributor, shooters can be had anywhere or draft one. Get a guy that can run the wing and then fill in the rest. Rebounder is the other guy you need to find.

    Look at their history, that's what they have done for decades and they have gone away from it. It started with George Mikan, Then they went and Got Wilt, Kareem, Vladi, then Shaq. In between Kareem and Vladi they struggled, just like after Vladi to Shaq. They had players at Center after Shaq but not any that dominated and made teams have to really scheme.

    Also focusing on Kobe instead of the whole team was a mistake as well and they are doing it again with LeBron.

    Problem these days is finding that Elite inside guy, I don't think there are a lack of them, I think there are a lack of developed Centers and interest in the game from young guys wanting to play that are big and athletic for some reason. For decades we had a half dozen in the league all the time, now you rarely hear of an elite game changing Big Man.

    I get what your saying but have you seen how the NBA is today?
    There are no more true centers that we saw for many years..Instead
    they use a hybrid who shoots threes..Yep shoot it and if you make more
    you win..Takes a lot of the brain work out of the game :|


    To be honest about the time the Sonics were stolen I stopped watching, no investment anymore. I did see the transition start to go to the Three and isolation on the perimeter screens to create room to shoot more threes. Your right however no defense, no offense except street ball mentality really.


    Giannis Antetokounmpo demands you watch him to see what big dudes are doing in the contemporary NBA. I get the sense that older fans fault the players themselves for adapting to the game instead of insisting they play Shaq or Wilt type roles. The game has changed and I can't qualify whether it's objectively better - we have our tastes. I think it's an absolute blast to watch adaptation in action and that carries over to all sports - NFL, NHL...not baseball so much. I am not just watching to indulge my reptile sports brain, thinking about how the game comports to what I consider the platonic ideal - i'm watching to see how teams from GMs on down to 11th men on the bench are adapting to the ecosystem.

    I'm not claiming that I watch sports the right way, rather, I seemingly have found a way to enjoy sports in perpetuity.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 3:04 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Lakers have gotten away from the formula that made them perineal threats, get a Center pay what ever it takes to get one that's elite. Then get a ball distributor, shooters can be had anywhere or draft one. Get a guy that can run the wing and then fill in the rest. Rebounder is the other guy you need to find.

    Look at their history, that's what they have done for decades and they have gone away from it. It started with George Mikan, Then they went and Got Wilt, Kareem, Vladi, then Shaq. In between Kareem and Vladi they struggled, just like after Vladi to Shaq. They had players at Center after Shaq but not any that dominated and made teams have to really scheme.

    Also focusing on Kobe instead of the whole team was a mistake as well and they are doing it again with LeBron.

    Problem these days is finding that Elite inside guy, I don't think there are a lack of them, I think there are a lack of developed Centers and interest in the game from young guys wanting to play that are big and athletic for some reason. For decades we had a half dozen in the league all the time, now you rarely hear of an elite game changing Big Man.

    I get what your saying but have you seen how the NBA is today?
    There are no more true centers that we saw for many years..Instead
    they use a hybrid who shoots threes..Yep shoot it and if you make more
    you win..Takes a lot of the brain work out of the game :|


    To be honest about the time the Sonics were stolen I stopped watching, no investment anymore. I did see the transition start to go to the Three and isolation on the perimeter screens to create room to shoot more threes. Your right however no defense, no offense except street ball mentality really.


    Giannis Antetokounmpo demands you watch him to see what big dudes are doing in the contemporary NBA. I get the sense that older fans fault the players themselves for adapting to the game instead of insisting they play Shaq or Wilt type roles. The game has changed and I can't qualify whether it's objectively better - we have our tastes. I think it's an absolute blast to watch adaptation in action and that carries over to all sports - NFL, NHL...not baseball so much. I am not just watching to indulge my reptile sports brain, thinking about how the game comports to what I consider the platonic ideal - i'm watching to see how teams from GMs on down to 11th men on the bench are adapting to the ecosystem.

    I'm not claiming that I watch sports the right way, rather, I seemingly have found a way to enjoy sports in perpetuity.

    You certainly watch it different than me or Chris used to and that is fine..Steve Kerr (ex Bull)started this
    this crap..All he did was take the triangle of the Bulls and move it out to 3 point land and it's rained 3's like never
    before..This makes it easier to get balls that bounce to floor and huge rim clangers for easy rebounds.
    A simple drive to the basket can be had since everyone is spread out away from the paint.So to me it's
    become street ball that I won't watch..Steve Kerr as a player today would no doubt average high 20's ..
    He could shoot that 3 great but that's all he had just like most of these 3 point shooters who can't
    or won't play defense..Here is an article on 3's.I don't agree with the whole thing but the stats in it are
    eye opening. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2663 ... aturephone
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 6:42 pm
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:I get what your saying but have you seen how the NBA is today?
    There are no more true centers that we saw for many years..Instead
    they use a hybrid who shoots threes..Yep shoot it and if you make more
    you win..Takes a lot of the brain work out of the game :|


    To be honest about the time the Sonics were stolen I stopped watching, no investment anymore. I did see the transition start to go to the Three and isolation on the perimeter screens to create room to shoot more threes. Your right however no defense, no offense except street ball mentality really.


    Giannis Antetokounmpo demands you watch him to see what big dudes are doing in the contemporary NBA. I get the sense that older fans fault the players themselves for adapting to the game instead of insisting they play Shaq or Wilt type roles. The game has changed and I can't qualify whether it's objectively better - we have our tastes. I think it's an absolute blast to watch adaptation in action and that carries over to all sports - NFL, NHL...not baseball so much. I am not just watching to indulge my reptile sports brain, thinking about how the game comports to what I consider the platonic ideal - i'm watching to see how teams from GMs on down to 11th men on the bench are adapting to the ecosystem.

    I'm not claiming that I watch sports the right way, rather, I seemingly have found a way to enjoy sports in perpetuity.

    You certainly watch it different than me or Chris used to and that is fine..Steve Kerr (ex Bull)started this
    this crap..All he did was take the triangle of the Bulls and move it out to 3 point land and it's rained 3's like never
    before..This makes it easier to get balls that bounce to floor and huge rim clangers for easy rebounds.
    A simple drive to the basket can be had since everyone is spread out away from the paint.So to me it's
    become street ball that I won't watch..Steve Kerr as a player today would no doubt average high 20's ..
    He could shoot that 3 great but that's all he had just like most of these 3 point shooters who can't
    or won't play defense..Here is an article on 3's.I don't agree with the whole thing but the stats in it are
    eye opening. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2663 ... aturephone


    That is perfect timing! I just picked up Kirk's book that this is excerpt is from and am going to give it a go pretty soon. Part of what spurred me to grab the book were the conversations had here. Let me know if you pick it up and maybe you can drop your thoughts on it here.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 8:40 pm
  • I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Thu May 30, 2019 9:54 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.

    The overall skill-set required to be in the league today is so far superior to what it was its mind-boggling. Joel Embiid and Anthony Davis are both 7 footers who can dribble, hit the midrange, post up, rebound, and shoot 3s. They would absolutely dominate any era.

    Here's the difference, If you were a 7 footer in the 80s - 90s you camped near the basket to protect the paint. In today's game teams scheme their offense to isolate those big guys on perimeter guys, so if they don't have the skill to guard on the perimeter it really doesn't matter how great they are at rebounding or scoring. They are bench players in the modern NBA.
    You see this show up with a guy like Boban Marjanovic. He's an advanced stat god. He'd be one of the 20 best players in the league in the 90s. He barely plays 10 minutes a game in the modern NBA.

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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Fri May 31, 2019 9:22 am
  • chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.


    While I agree the large majority of players are not 3 tool players anymore (jump shooting, free throw percentage, defense), I'd say the overall speed and athleticism of modern basketball is far superior than it's ever been.

    Players are FAR more versatile, can play multiple positions and everyone on the floor can score. That wasn't the case even 20 years ago, it was all specialized positions. You were lucky to have two players on the floor who could score more than 15-20 pts a game. The rest were on the floor for defense or rebounding.

    Better? Idk, that's for each fan to decide. Personally I like the college game better because it has more defense, ball movement and set plays, which IMO is what basketball is all about.

    But if you just love to see amazing athletes do amazing athletic things? The NBA is a great product.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Fri May 31, 2019 10:43 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.


    While I agree the large majority of players are not 3 tool players anymore (jump shooting, free throw percentage, defense), I'd say the overall speed and athleticism of modern basketball is far superior than it's ever been.

    Players are FAR more versatile, can play multiple positions and everyone on the floor can score. That wasn't the case even 20 years ago, it was all specialized positions. You were lucky to have two players on the floor who could score more than 15-20 pts a game. The rest were on the floor for defense or rebounding.

    Better? Idk, that's for each fan to decide. Personally I like the college game better because it has more defense, ball movement and set plays, which IMO is what basketball is all about.

    But if you just love to see amazing athletes do amazing athletic things? The NBA is a great product.


    The thing about college basketball that gives me a kick is how the different conferences all bring their own brand to the tourney. It always cracks me up when the final score of a Big 10 game is like how much Kansas or Duke scores in and entire game. As with college football, the sheer size and the respective inputs drive tactics and strategy and allows for some wild ideas and different approaches.

    I wouldn't want to watch Big 10 basketball full time but it's fun to drop into on occasion. If I'm watching Pros work, I want to see that professional athleticism on full display and breaking my brain.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Fri May 31, 2019 11:45 am
  • They suck, and so does the NBA, but go Raptors if that makes any sense.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Fri May 31, 2019 11:49 am
  • knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.

    The overall skill-set required to be in the league today is so far superior to what it was its mind-boggling. Joel Embiid and Anthony Davis are both 7 footers who can dribble, hit the midrange, post up, rebound, and shoot 3s. They would absolutely dominate any era. Here's the difference, If you were a 7 footer in the 80s - 90s you camped near the basket to protect the paint. In today's game teams scheme their offense to isolate those big guys on perimeter guys, so if they don't have the skill to guard on the perimeter it really doesn't matter how great they are at rebounding or scoring. They are bench players in the modern NBA.
    You see this show up with a guy like Boban Marjanovic. He's an advanced stat god. He'd be one of the 20 best players in the league in the 90s. He barely plays 10 minutes a game in the modern NBA.

    I can post guys from the past who in their prime with todays
    special training whatever you call it could do the same and play defense..Three Sonics come to mind
    Detlef Shremph,Jack Sikma and Sam Perkins and theres Wilt who would be an absolute monster in
    his prime playing today..This is all of course under the easier rules of today and basically street ball
    three point shooting most of the game..You do forget the rules have changed and defense is not a
    priority anymore..I agree the big men like Shaq would be on the bench today but you say it yourself
    that they have to go away from paint..Flipside to this is a lot of the players you see today wouldn't be
    stars as you don't shoot 30 3's like Curry and not play defense period..That takes out quite a few
    other players also and makes them bench players..You had to be tough and it was harder by far
    to score under 70-2000 rules..The Ron Artest fight changed a lot of things.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:They suck, and so does the NBA, but go Raptors if that makes any sense.


    It makes all the sense. I grew up on Warriors basketball and it was awful. They ran promotions with Roundtable Pizza where if they scored over 120 the whole crowd got free personal pan pizzas. I can count on 2 fingers how often that happened in about 10 dozen games.

    So I have rooted for them at a distance, knowing they aren't really 'my team' any longer but all my buds were having the time of their lives soaking it in.

    No more!

    Go Raptors. Shame them.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:33 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.

    The overall skill-set required to be in the league today is so far superior to what it was its mind-boggling. Joel Embiid and Anthony Davis are both 7 footers who can dribble, hit the midrange, post up, rebound, and shoot 3s. They would absolutely dominate any era. Here's the difference, If you were a 7 footer in the 80s - 90s you camped near the basket to protect the paint. In today's game teams scheme their offense to isolate those big guys on perimeter guys, so if they don't have the skill to guard on the perimeter it really doesn't matter how great they are at rebounding or scoring. They are bench players in the modern NBA.
    You see this show up with a guy like Boban Marjanovic. He's an advanced stat god. He'd be one of the 20 best players in the league in the 90s. He barely plays 10 minutes a game in the modern NBA.

    I can post guys from the past who in their prime with todays
    special training whatever you call it could do the same and play defense..Three Sonics come to mind
    Detlef Shremph,Jack Sikma and Sam Perkins and theres Wilt who would be an absolute monster in
    his prime playing today..This is all of course under the easier rules of today and basically street ball
    three point shooting most of the game..You do forget the rules have changed and defense is not a
    priority anymore..I agree the big men like Shaq would be on the bench today but you say it yourself
    that they have to go away from paint..Flipside to this is a lot of the players you see today wouldn't be
    stars as you don't shoot 30 3's like Curry and not play defense period..That takes out quite a few
    other players also and makes them bench players..You had to be tough and it was harder by far
    to score under 70-2000 rules..The Ron Artest fight changed a lot of things.

    Are we talking about raw athletes or skill sets? I'm not saying the athletes today are significantly better than they were in the past. I'm saying they've grown up with better training at younger ages and have better overall skill sets.

    I've been diving into the narrative that it was harder to play in 70s-00s. The league was certainly more physical, but the numbers don't really back up the idea that defense is worse now. In fact, this season is the only season this decade that exceeds or even comes close to the average points per game in the 1980's. From 1995-2016 is the lowest scoring stretch in the NBA since the 1946-1957 seasons.
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Re: The Los Angeles Lakers
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:58 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:I hope they take the three point shot away personally at some point, it would change the dynamics back to guys working harder on different skill sets, like rebounding, boxing out and getting your own shot off.

    Not to say some of the players today can't but overall the league skill set is diminished from what the game intentions were, imagine the NFL without any Defensive or offensive line do to speak, Arena Football.

    The overall skill-set required to be in the league today is so far superior to what it was its mind-boggling. Joel Embiid and Anthony Davis are both 7 footers who can dribble, hit the midrange, post up, rebound, and shoot 3s. They would absolutely dominate any era. Here's the difference, If you were a 7 footer in the 80s - 90s you camped near the basket to protect the paint. In today's game teams scheme their offense to isolate those big guys on perimeter guys, so if they don't have the skill to guard on the perimeter it really doesn't matter how great they are at rebounding or scoring. They are bench players in the modern NBA.
    You see this show up with a guy like Boban Marjanovic. He's an advanced stat god. He'd be one of the 20 best players in the league in the 90s. He barely plays 10 minutes a game in the modern NBA.

    I can post guys from the past who in their prime with todays
    special training whatever you call it could do the same and play defense..Three Sonics come to mind
    Detlef Shremph,Jack Sikma and Sam Perkins and theres Wilt who would be an absolute monster in
    his prime playing today..This is all of course under the easier rules of today and basically street ball
    three point shooting most of the game..You do forget the rules have changed and defense is not a
    priority anymore..I agree the big men like Shaq would be on the bench today but you say it yourself
    that they have to go away from paint..Flipside to this is a lot of the players you see today wouldn't be
    stars as you don't shoot 30 3's like Curry and not play defense period..That takes out quite a few
    other players also and makes them bench players..You had to be tough and it was harder by far
    to score under 70-2000 rules..The Ron Artest fight changed a lot of things.

    Are we talking about raw athletes or skill sets? I'm not saying the athletes today are significantly better than they were in the past. I'm saying they've grown up with better training at younger ages and have better overall skill sets.

    I've been diving into the narrative that it was harder to play in 70s-00s. The league was certainly more physical, but the numbers don't really back up the idea that defense is worse now. In fact, this season is the only season this decade that exceeds or even comes close to the average points per game in the 1980's. From 1995-2016 is the lowest scoring stretch in the NBA since the 1946-1957 seasons.

    On bold I can agree with you on for todays players..I do question the toughness when they
    hurt things I never heard of and miss a lot..
    I'm not sure we agree on defense..When I see every game is over 100 just about ,I question
    the rules and players worrying just about energy for scoring..I know the Three point spacing
    leads to easy inside buckets so there is that..
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