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  • We have some serious speed in action. Several steals this week. Great clutch hitting with RISP today.

    The scouting report is out on Gamel. Everything away and particularly offspeed low and away. He needs to make an adjustment.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:IS there a reason why they flip flopped the batting order of Segura and Gamel?


    L, R, L, R etc. Servais has been doing it this past week.
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  • Bobblehead wrote:IS there a reason why they flip flopped the batting order of Segura and Gamel?

    Didn't hear why. Gamel has been ice cold for a while now. Got one hit tonight, at least.

    Segura hasn't been super hot lately, maybe they thought he'd do better with Gamel on, except Gamel isn't getting on. :34853_doh:

    Nice little run in the top 7 to take a 2 run lead. Can the pen pull through again?
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  • Both Gamel and Valencia swing at away pitches too much. Pitchers now know them. I absolutely hate how there's nothing on ESPN or MLB about Paxtons win streak and now possibly being the front runner for the Cy Young. East coast bias will always be an evil thing. If he was on Boston or New York the media wouldn't shut up about him. I'm still laughing at "Aaron Judges All Star Party".
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  • Crizilla wrote:Both Gamel and Valencia swing at away pitches too much. Pitchers now know them. I absolutely hate how there's nothing on ESPN or MLB about Paxtons win streak and now possibly being the front runner for the Cy Young. East coast bias will always be an evil thing. If he was on Boston or New York the media wouldn't shut up about him. I'm still laughing at "Aaron Judges All Star Party".



    The east coast bias is what made 95 so frigging special as a life long M's fan. I don't know if you were around then but the announcing was so lopsided. I will never forget the BS strike zone on Edgar against the Yankees and Mussberger? saying "well, if your that good you can over come it" and Edgar did just that. I wish you younger fans were around for the 95 M's, it was so rewarding,so many come from behind gut wrenching wins. East coast media had to eat almost as much crow as when the Hawks beat the Saints in a certain playoff game that the Hawks should have never been allowed to play in in the first place if you asked east coast media. That was the beats quake game.
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  • I was literally 6 years old that day Edgar hit that double and I remember it. I'm thankful for my extremely good memory.


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  • Bobblehead wrote:IS there a reason why they flip flopped the batting order of Segura and Gamel?

    Don't know, I prefer the other way.
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    Bobblehead wrote:IS there a reason why they flip flopped the batting order of Segura and Gamel?

    Don't know, I prefer the other way.


    As I mentioned yesterday, so almost the entire lineup is left, right, left, right, left, right, etc. This was discussed by Servais earlier in the week. It's something they're trying out to hopefully press the opposing team's bullpen and for matchup purposes.

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  • Felix just got scratched from tonight's game and put on the 10 day DL. Marco Gonzalez will get the start tonight.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Felix just got scratched from tonight's game and put on the 10 day DL. Marco Gonzalez will get the start tonight.

    I'm excited to see what Gonzales can do.
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  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Felix just got scratched from tonight's game and put on the 10 day DL. Marco Gonzalez will get the start tonight.


    Wow. What in the world happened since his last start?

    "Tendinitis in his right bicep" is the official word given per the Tribune.
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/ml ... 62122.html

    Well that puts an obvious damper in our playoff push. Unbelievable. Not how I wanted to see Gonzales make his debut.
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  • I can't remember a worse year for injuries and people landing on the DL. Pretty remarkable to be in the position we are, I feel like the Chargers of MLB.
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  • Hmmmm. I'm not even sure if this is bad news. Felix doesn't seem to be the man any more. I don't think you could still call him a 7 inning pitcher. We're in a really important stretch here. I suspect they think Gonzalez can give us 6-7 good innings and keep the bullpen fresh for the rest of the month.

    Paxton is our new 'stopper' who can go in there after a loss or two and shut things down enough to give us a win. Felix is looking more like a middle/back of the rotation guy than the staff ace. Hurts to say it, but :229031_shrug:
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  • The thing with Gonzales is what DiPoto gave up to acquire him. Sure, statistically, O'Neill wasn't having a great year in Tacoma. But he has been on absolute fire for about 3 weeks at the time of the trade, and he was still what, the 3rd best prospect in the organization. I think he was even in the top 100 MLB prospect (could be wrong on that). But still, that's kind of a steep price to pay for a guy like Gonzales. Only time will tell if it was a beneficial trade, and that time starts today.
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  • I feel like Felix needs to get in better shape. Though he's been worked to death for us so I can't really hold anything against him if he's not elite anymore. Just a shame we couldn't do anything for him like idk, make the playoffs once? when he was elite.
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  • So, no game tonight. Double header tomorrow.

    Just what we need, make it even harder.

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  • West TX Hawk wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:Felix just got scratched from tonight's game and put on the 10 day DL. Marco Gonzalez will get the start tonight.


    Wow. What in the world happened since his last start?

    "Tendinitis in his right bicep" is the official word given per the Tribune.
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/ml ... 62122.html

    Well that puts an obvious damper in our playoff push. Unbelievable. Not how I wanted to see Gonzales make his debut.


    *Sigh* [Shaking my head] :34853_doh: Though he's clearly now a lesser regent, I have to concur with your assessment. That's pretty much my initial reaction as well. I'm interested to see how Gonzales does ... but this is NOT the way I wanted to see his debut happen.

    That said, tomorrow's game may in fact turn out alright, as the Royals hitters haven't really seen a whole lot of Gonzales. For the short term at least (until the league starts to get a book on this guy), this may work out OK. Trying my best to put a "glass half full" perspective on this.
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  • Im calling it, after today the M's will be in sole possession of the 2nd wild card. Let's go M's!
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  • Per ESPN, The M's just aquired Yonder Alonso from Oakland for Boog Powell. Strange deal. Looks like first base will be going to a straight up platoon. Or is there a chance Valencia gets moved or DFA'd?
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  • It should be a platoon, no reason for Valencia to get DFA'd, he's had a pretty good year. Looks like Alonso has really slowed down since the all star break, hopefully a new team can get him going again. I'm guessing we see Alonso play against RHP, his splits show that.
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  • It adds competition at first base. M's desperately need depth at first base and center field
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  • What a start today! And an interesting morning. A starting pitcher would've been nicer of course but a few more details on this move: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2026 ... ell-return

    Sounds like with Powell having no future here with our young OFers already set, Jerry figured Alonso could add power v. righties.

    Even though he's a rental, Alonso's probably not going to command huge money and could maybe be re-signed this offseason. A nice power upgrade in a platoon with Valencia. With half the bats going a little flat lately, more depth certainly helps.
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  • And Phelps is pulled after one batter with undisclosed injury. :evil:
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  • Maybe with the trade for Alonso, they can move Valencia to the bench and get rid of Espinosa. Espy is awful and shouldn't have been on the team in the first place. Alonso > Valencia > Espinosa.
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  • Insurance run there would have been nice. Close it out Edwin.
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  • Glad they didn't blow that one. Let's go get the second now.
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  • Kind of like a mini-playoff game. Half game back, playing them head to head for who's tied for the 2d wildcard.

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    Hope we have a little juice left in the bull pen. We used just about all of them, and with Phelps out, we're thin.
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  • Ramirez was cruising and then he couldn't get an out. This is basically the Erasmo that I remember from a few years ago.

    Is Gonzalez or Ramirez really that much better than Gaviglio, Bergman or Moore?
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  • So I just saw that Phelps was pulled in the first game because of elbow discomfort. Wasn't Smyly pulled for his final ST start because of elbow discomfort? I won't lie, I'm a little worried
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  • Dodges playing unbelievable, anyone think they can break the 116 mark?

    They are at 79 32
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  • Bobblehead wrote:Dodges playing unbelievable, anyone think they can break the 116 mark?

    They are at 79 32


    Their winning % is up to .712 and the Mariners ended with .716 so the dodgers have a chance. If they can keep up this pace for the rest of the season. I hope they don't break it because 116 is the only meaningful thing team has ever accomplished really.
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    Bobblehead wrote:Dodges playing unbelievable, anyone think they can break the 116 mark?

    They are at 79 32


    Their winning % is up to .712 and the Mariners ended with .716 so the dodgers have a chance. If they can keep up this pace for the rest of the season. I hope they don't break it because 116 is the only meaningful thing team has ever accomplished really.


    They'd have to go 38 and 13 the rest of the way-.745. I wouldn't put it past them but they'll need a healthy Kershaw. They'll probably rest starters for the playoffs so they likely come up a little short.

    It's still bittersweet thinking about the '01 team. 116 and 46 and we choke in the ALCS in just 5 games-and got slaughtered 12-3 in the last game. Made it to 6 games at least in '00 and '95. We had a great lineup, above average starting pitching but not great starting pitching and that's what cost us. And our talented bats went flat against great pitching.
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    Bobblehead wrote:Dodges playing unbelievable, anyone think they can break the 116 mark?

    They are at 79 32


    Their winning % is up to .712 and the Mariners ended with .716 so the dodgers have a chance. If they can keep up this pace for the rest of the season. I hope they don't break it because 116 is the only meaningful thing team has ever accomplished really.


    They'd have to go 38 and 13 the rest of the way-.745. I wouldn't put it past them but they'll need a healthy Kershaw. They'll probably rest starters for the playoffs so they likely come up a little short.

    It's still bittersweet thinking about the '01 team. 116 and 46 and we choke in the ALCS in just 5 games-and got slaughtered 12-3 in the last game. Made it to 6 games at least in '00 and '95. We had a great lineup, above average starting pitching but not great starting pitching and that's what cost us. And our talented bats went flat against great pitching.
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    I remember it very well and I'll tell you something, no one will admit it I"m sure, but the 9/11 incident just took the wind out of their sails. It was a much less inspired and different team after that.
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  • Seems whenever Felix has a bad outing he ends up on the DL. Like he has too much pride to realize he is getting older and blames his bad outings on an injury.
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  • We currently have a 1 a 4 and 3 5's in our starting rotation, and calling Miranda a 4 might be generous.
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  • getnasty wrote:We currently have a 1 a 4 and 3 5's in our starting rotation, and calling Miranda a 4 might be generous.



    Miranda giving up a homer practically every inning is getting really really old.
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  • Ladies and Gentlemen, your Wild Card leading Seattle Mariners -- Whoooo!! It sure wasn't pretty, but if the M's are going to hang in there in this chase ... they're going to have to outslug their opponents and pray for at least mediocre pitching. Keeping my fingers crossed.

    Edit to add ...
    The M's have gone 15-9 since the All Star Break -- that's a .625 Winning%. If they keep up that pace over the course of their last 48 games, they would finish with a record of 88-74 (IF they keep that up, that is). It could be a fairly tall order with Felix on the shelf for the next 3 weeks or so. This offense has averaged 4.5 runs/game over the last 24 games and they're going to have to keep scoring in bunches to hang in there. Will DiPoto bite the bullet and pull off a trade for another decent Starting Pitcher? It's going to be interesting down the stretch, that's for sure.
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  • M's tied with Dodgers for best record in 1 run games (19-10). What's crazy is 8 of those wins are since the all-star break.
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  • Hawkscanner wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, your Wild Card leading Seattle Mariners -- Whoooo!!

    Well, not exactly. It's good to be in the running, of course, but technically I believe we are tied for 2d WC. ;)
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  • sutz wrote:
    Hawkscanner wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, your Wild Card leading Seattle Mariners -- Whoooo!!

    Well, not exactly. It's good to be in the running, of course, but technically I believe we are tied for 2d WC. ;)


    Hey man, don't rain on the parade. LOL! I know exactly where we're at in the Wild Card Standings. It's just that it's only been 16 years since we've had a team that's truly been in pennant contention, that's all. Heck, I'm betting a lot of guys on this board were too young to remember that 2001 team. It's just nice to have a team that's worth investing our time in this late in the season again.
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  • Can someone please explain to me how trading in baseball works. I thought the trade deadline was a couple weeks ago? How are trades happening now ?
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  • Hawkscanner wrote:
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    Hawkscanner wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, your Wild Card leading Seattle Mariners -- Whoooo!!

    Well, not exactly. It's good to be in the running, of course, but technically I believe we are tied for 2d WC. ;)


    Hey man, don't rain on the parade. LOL! I know exactly where we're at in the Wild Card Standings. It's just that it's only been 16 years since we've had a team that's truly been in pennant contention, that's all. Heck, I'm betting a lot of guys on this board were too young to remember that 2001 team. It's just nice to have a team that's worth investing our time in this late in the season again.

    Well, in fairness, last season we weren't eliminated until game 160 IIRC. It might have been 161, but IAE we were close. It does feel good to be playing meaningful games in August. Too many years when we were basically out by Mid-May.

    Tough road to the finish line, but we play a lot of the teams we are contending with, so we have the opportunity to control our own destiny. On paper, it shouldn't have been that hard to win last night, though it is nice to see some hitting at critical times. I don't rely on Felix any more, he's not a front line pitcher any longer. He can't go 6-7 innings on a reliable basis. Can DiPoto swing a miracle trade to bring in another starter? Good question. Most teams are pretty well set by now. The problem with relying on our hitters to bang out 5-6 runs/game is that hitting tends to fall flat against playoff level pitching.
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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:Can someone please explain to me how trading in baseball works. I thought the trade deadline was a couple weeks ago? How are trades happening now ?

    Don't know all the details, but I think trades can still happen, but there is a waiver system in place where other teams can interfere with any trades before they are consummated. We just picked up Alonso over the weekend.
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  • sutz wrote:
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    Hawkscanner wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, your Wild Card leading Seattle Mariners -- Whoooo!!

    Well, not exactly. It's good to be in the running, of course, but technically I believe we are tied for 2d WC. ;)


    Hey man, don't rain on the parade. LOL! I know exactly where we're at in the Wild Card Standings. It's just that it's only been 16 years since we've had a team that's truly been in pennant contention, that's all. Heck, I'm betting a lot of guys on this board were too young to remember that 2001 team. It's just nice to have a team that's worth investing our time in this late in the season again.

    Well, in fairness, last season we weren't eliminated until game 160 IIRC. It might have been 161, but IAE we were close. It does feel good to be playing meaningful games in August. Too many years when we were basically out by Mid-May.

    Tough road to the finish line, but we play a lot of the teams we are contending with, so we have the opportunity to control our own destiny. On paper, it shouldn't have been that hard to win last night, though it is nice to see some hitting at critical times. I don't rely on Felix any more, he's not a front line pitcher any longer. He can't go 6-7 innings on a reliable basis. Can DiPoto swing a miracle trade to bring in another starter? Good question. Most teams are pretty well set by now. The problem with relying on our hitters to bang out 5-6 runs/game is that hitting tends to fall flat against playoff level pitching.


    And all of that leads me back to the roughly $80 million question I keep asking -- should JeDi swing a deal for Justin Verlander? ($80 million is roughly the amount that's left on his deal) I keep asking myself that exact same question because that is a LOT of $$$ for a guy whose arm has a lot of miles on it. He'll cost a mere bag of fungos to get ... but do you do it? Should he do it? Felix's deal comes off the books in a couple of years ... so in all honesty, I'm wondering if the answer should be -- yeah.
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  • That was a great come from behind win last night. What is with Miranda? He has been awful the past month or two. Maybe all those innings are finally catching up to him.

    In the postgame, Servais said he was really happy for Martin. The last timehe was in Oakland he got designated for assignment, sweet redemption with the game winning home run.

    A sweep of Oakland would be nice, especially with how poorly KC is playing as of late.
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  • Great great win last night and it was much needed.

    One thing that I found myself thinking about though is a couple of the HR that just barely cleared the fence. For as great as the outfielders are at getting to balls all over the yard they seem to be below average at catching balls at/over the fence.

    I guess maybe I'm just spoiled from years of Griffey, Cameron, Buhner, and even Ichiro pulling balls back over the fence? I wish I knew what stat to look up for HR's that probably should be caught to see if I'm just expecting too much or if these guys need more work near the fence.
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  • LOL, and then the next game Dyson goes back and pulls one back haha. Maybe it was just an overreaction last night. I still would love to see what the numbers say...

    Update:
    Well to be fair I don't think that one today was actually going out. I first only heard it on the radio. When I saw it I saw it wasn't really as close to going out as they made it sound.
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  • I'm not sure Alonso is a better replacement for Valencia.. I"m not sure he's better at the 2 spot than Gamel.
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  • sutz wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:Can someone please explain to me how trading in baseball works. I thought the trade deadline was a couple weeks ago? How are trades happening now ?

    Don't know all the details, but I think trades can still happen, but there is a waiver system in place where other teams can interfere with any trades before they are consummated. We just picked up Alonso over the weekend.



    there is 3 stages I beleive.
    1 is he regular trade that we are aware of.
    2, A player can still be traded, provided first, he is waived by the team. If no team claims the player, the team can take the waiver off of the player and trade him. If another team claims him before the waiver expiration time, the team can let him go or take the waiver off and he becomes ineligible for the trade anymore.

    then there is a 3rd. way, I forget.
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