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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat May 18, 2019 7:52 pm
  • Welp, Portlandia has been on the court for 12 quarters against GS, but, has only played for six quarters. Not sure that is a winning formula. Hopefully, the Bucks can present a better challenge.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat May 18, 2019 10:52 pm
  • Threedee wrote:Welp, Portlandia has been on the court for 12 quarters against GS, but, has only played for six quarters. Not sure that is a winning formula. Hopefully, the Bucks can present a better challenge.


    Man I hate the Warriors with the fire of 1000 sun's, but Portland has been pathetic this series. Getting a barnyard beating in game 1, literally letting GS take the win right out of their grubby little hands in game 2, and letting a big lead turn into a big loss in game 3. I think it's clear that their core of Lillard and McCollum can't seriously compete in the West. McCollum has been better than Lillard thus far, but when one of them is off, it's usually not good. And when both of them are off, it's usually curtains.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 11:43 am
  • Do they play any defense in the NBA?
    They used to when I watched years ago.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 11:49 am
  • Portland is a less talented version of the Warriors without KD. They should be up in the series 2-1, but they've failed miserably to get buckets when their offense breaks down. What Portland needs is a wing with length who can create his own shot. That's their biggest issue. You can't consistently win in the playoffs when your 2 best creators are 6'3 or under. If they had a guy like Jimmy Butler, they'd easily be winning this serious.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 11:51 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:Do they play any defense in the NBA?
    They used to when I watched years ago.

    They play better defense now than they ever did in the 80s or 90s. The league is just less physical, and teams figured out how to stretch the floor.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 2:21 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Do they play any defense in the NBA?
    They used to when I watched years ago.

    They play better defense now than they ever did in the 80s or 90s. The league is just less physical, and teams figured out how to stretch the floor.


    Plus, you now have successful teams that are actually known for playing defense, such as the Spurs and Warriors. This creates an incentive for other teams to emulate them, because their respective fan bases will want to see it for themselves.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 6:22 pm
  • The fact that GS is beating Houston and Portland without Durant shows just how far away the other teams in the west are from GS.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 19, 2019 11:45 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:Do they play any defense in the NBA?
    They used to when I watched years ago.

    They play better defense now than they ever did in the 80s or 90s. The league is just less physical, and teams figured out how to stretch the floor.

    The scores I see say they don't..The rule changes
    since 2000 have a big hand in this as well..Love that
    stretch the floor with three point attempts comment :lol:
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon May 20, 2019 11:36 am
  • knownone wrote:Portland is a less talented version of the Warriors without KD. They should be up in the series 2-1, but they've failed miserably to get buckets when their offense breaks down. What Portland needs is a wing with length who can create his own shot. That's their biggest issue. You can't consistently win in the playoffs when your 2 best creators are 6'3 or under. If they had a guy like Jimmy Butler, they'd easily be winning this serious.


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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon May 20, 2019 7:50 pm
  • What a waste of space. They should have moved this team to the middle of nowhere.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri May 24, 2019 8:37 am
  • knownone wrote:Giannis is the best basketball player I've seen since Michael Jordan. He can play the 4 like Kevin Garnett and attack the rim like LeBron. The Warriors are the more talented team, but it would not shock me if the Bucks beat them in 6. Giannis is just that impactful all over the court.


    Not even the best player in this series, he’s actually having a pretty terrible stretch here. Until he can shoot from the outside, he will never become a great player like LeBron or Jordan.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri May 24, 2019 12:58 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    knownone wrote:Giannis is the best basketball player I've seen since Michael Jordan. He can play the 4 like Kevin Garnett and attack the rim like LeBron. The Warriors are the more talented team, but it would not shock me if the Bucks beat them in 6. Giannis is just that impactful all over the court.


    Not even the best player in this series, he’s actually having a pretty terrible stretch here. Until he can shoot from the outside, he will never become a great player like LeBron or Jordan.

    This series speaks more to his teammates than Giannis. It's eerily similar to the 2006 Piston series against LeBron where they just threw everyone in the paint and forced LeBron's teammates to beat them, and they just couldn't. Giannis is a different player than MJ or LeBron. I don't think he can have the same impact on offense as those 2 which is why I said he was Kevin Garnett who could attack the rim like LeBron.

    He's averaging 23 points / 14 rebounds / 6 assists / 1 steal / 2.6 Blocks, on 46% shooting against the Raptors. That stat line would rank among the best in KG's career, and it's a bad series for Giannis.

    Compare it to Kawhi's 30 points / 8 rebounds / 4 assists / 2.2 steals / 0.8 blocks, on 45% shooting against the Bucks.

    Giannis (IMO) has been just as good if not better than Kawhi in this series. The biggest difference in the series is experience. The Raptors have 6 players on their team with significant playoff and big game experience; the Bucks don't have a single player whose made it past the first round until this season besides George Hill.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat May 25, 2019 11:54 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
    knownone wrote:Portland is a less talented version of the Warriors without KD. They should be up in the series 2-1, but they've failed miserably to get buckets when their offense breaks down. What Portland needs is a wing with length who can create his own shot. That's their biggest issue. You can't consistently win in the playoffs when your 2 best creators are 6'3 or under. If they had a guy like Jimmy Butler, they'd easily be winning this serious.


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    Honestly, Portland's GM has done a hell of a job considering the circumstances. They've made the playoffs 8 out of 10 years. He's hit on two all-stars with mid-tier lottery picks. His biggest issue is being in Portland. It's hard to recruit great players to play in a small market.

    The good news is Rodney Hood sounds like he'd like to stay in Portland, and he has the talent to be the player they need if he can put it all together. Unfortunately, unless Hood turns into an all-star, or a great player comes to Portland, there is not a GM in the league who could bring this team further than they got this season.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sun May 26, 2019 2:48 pm
  • What are the chances the championship goes north of the border? Or are the Raptors just happy to be there?
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
  • NBA not over yet?Damn..
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon May 27, 2019 12:59 pm
  • Did the NBA change up their schedule? Seems like the Finals are coming earlier than usual.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Tue May 28, 2019 2:13 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:Did the NBA change up their schedule? Seems like the Finals are coming earlier than usual.


    Did a lot of the series end early?
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu May 30, 2019 11:28 am
  • If Durant is out for most of the Finals, the Raptors will win the championship. Kawhi is the best player in the series, and the Raptors have the veteran experience to avoid being overwhelmed by the Warriors runs.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu May 30, 2019 6:50 pm
  • GS just isn’t all that without Durant. They’ll need him if they want to win another championship.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:06 pm
  • But I assume their victory last night puts them in pretty good shape to win it all. Win their first game at home because they are at home, go up 2-1 and then get KD back? Please, it's all over now except determining how many games the series goes to, but it won't be more than 6.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:05 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:But I assume their victory last night puts them in pretty good shape to win it all. Win their first game at home because they are at home, go up 2-1 and then get KD back? Please, it's all over now except determining how many games the series goes to, but it won't be more than 6.

    What last night proved to me is that GSW needed a great deal of help to avoid getting blown out in the first half. They won largely because the Raptors couldn't hit open shots. Seriously, GSW shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, and only won by 5 against a team that shot 37% from the field, 29% from three. don't think GSW will win the series without KD, unless the referees continue to muck up the game for them.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:08 am
  • knownone wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:But I assume their victory last night puts them in pretty good shape to win it all. Win their first game at home because they are at home, go up 2-1 and then get KD back? Please, it's all over now except determining how many games the series goes to, but it won't be more than 6.

    What last night proved to me is that GSW needed a great deal of help to avoid getting blown out in the first half. They won largely because the Raptors couldn't hit open shots. Seriously, GSW shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, and only won by 5 against a team that shot 37% from the field, 29% from three. don't think GSW will win the series without KD, unless the referees continue to muck up the game for them.


    That's the thing about the Warriors though, isn't it? Like, you can have them dead to rights and then they go off like they had you the whole time. I do think the injuries are going to finally erode the possibility of that happening but...
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:11 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:But I assume their victory last night puts them in pretty good shape to win it all. Win their first game at home because they are at home, go up 2-1 and then get KD back? Please, it's all over now except determining how many games the series goes to, but it won't be more than 6.

    What last night proved to me is that GSW needed a great deal of help to avoid getting blown out in the first half. They won largely because the Raptors couldn't hit open shots. Seriously, GSW shot 46% from the field, 38% from three, and only won by 5 against a team that shot 37% from the field, 29% from three. don't think GSW will win the series without KD, unless the referees continue to muck up the game for them.


    That's the thing about the Warriors though, isn't it? Like, you can have them dead to rights and then they go off like they had you the whole time. I do think the injuries are going to finally erode the possibility of that happening but...


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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:33 pm
  • Well color me wrong!
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:39 pm
  • What were the Spurs thinking in letting Kawhi and Greene go?
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:47 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:What were the Spurs thinking in letting Kawhi and Greene go?

    They really didn’t have a choice. Kawhi sat out an entire year and pretty much said he wouldn’t play in San Antonio again.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:59 am
  • Should be a fun rest of the series, especially if KD and Klay come back. Raptors were never going to be GS at full strength, so this would kind of be like the Warriors spotting Toronto a game. Klay should be back for game 4, who knows with KD. What would be really interesting is if Toronto goes up 3-1, could the Warriors win three in a row if they got everyone back? I'm happy for Toronto, even if they win the championship everyone knows GS is the better team.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:58 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Should be a fun rest of the series, especially if KD and Klay come back. Raptors were never going to be GS at full strength, so this would kind of be like the Warriors spotting Toronto a game. Klay should be back for game 4, who knows with KD. What would be really interesting is if Toronto goes up 3-1, could the Warriors win three in a row if they got everyone back? I'm happy for Toronto, even if they win the championship everyone knows GS is the better team.

    To be fair, the Raptors aren't healthy either. If Kawhi and Anunoby were 100% healthy during this stretch there is a legitimate argument to be made that the Raptors would sweep the Warriors.

    So while I agree that GS is probably the better team with Klay and KD playing; I wouldn't go so far as saying that they'd definitely beat the Raptors if both teams were healthy. If anything we've been robbed of seeing the Warriors historically great offense go against one of the most talent laden defensive teams in NBA history. Both Kawhi and Gasol have won defensive player of the year. Green, Siakam, and Lowry are perennial all defensive team candidates, and Anunoby has flashed the potential to be the one of the best defensive players in the league.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:51 pm
  • knownone wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:Should be a fun rest of the series, especially if KD and Klay come back. Raptors were never going to be GS at full strength, so this would kind of be like the Warriors spotting Toronto a game. Klay should be back for game 4, who knows with KD. What would be really interesting is if Toronto goes up 3-1, could the Warriors win three in a row if they got everyone back? I'm happy for Toronto, even if they win the championship everyone knows GS is the better team.

    To be fair, the Raptors aren't healthy either. If Kawhi and Anunoby were 100% healthy during this stretch there is a legitimate argument to be made that the Raptors would sweep the Warriors.

    So while I agree that GS is probably the better team with Klay and KD playing; I wouldn't go so far as saying that they'd definitely beat the Raptors if both teams were healthy. If anything we've been robbed of seeing the Warriors historically great offense go against one of the most talent laden defensive teams in NBA history. Both Kawhi and Gasol have won defensive player of the year. Green, Siakam, and Lowry are perennial all defensive team candidates, and Anunoby has flashed the potential to be the one of the best defensive players in the league.


    Kawhi isn't 100%, but he is healthy enough to play. At this point, who isn't fully healthy? Big difference between Kawhi playing at less than 100% and guys like KD and Klay not even playing. Cousins isn't even close to full health. Iguodala is also pretty banged up.

    I think if both teams were at full strength, Warriors would probably win in 5. Toronto is a great story and an easy team to root for, but Warriors are a championship dynasty. Raptors aren't all that special other than Kawhi. This is the same Toronto team that had home court and got swept by one of LeBron's weaker teams.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:57 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:
    knownone wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:Should be a fun rest of the series, especially if KD and Klay come back. Raptors were never going to be GS at full strength, so this would kind of be like the Warriors spotting Toronto a game. Klay should be back for game 4, who knows with KD. What would be really interesting is if Toronto goes up 3-1, could the Warriors win three in a row if they got everyone back? I'm happy for Toronto, even if they win the championship everyone knows GS is the better team.

    To be fair, the Raptors aren't healthy either. If Kawhi and Anunoby were 100% healthy during this stretch there is a legitimate argument to be made that the Raptors would sweep the Warriors.

    So while I agree that GS is probably the better team with Klay and KD playing; I wouldn't go so far as saying that they'd definitely beat the Raptors if both teams were healthy. If anything we've been robbed of seeing the Warriors historically great offense go against one of the most talent laden defensive teams in NBA history. Both Kawhi and Gasol have won defensive player of the year. Green, Siakam, and Lowry are perennial all defensive team candidates, and Anunoby has flashed the potential to be the one of the best defensive players in the league.


    Kawhi isn't 100%, but he is healthy enough to play. At this point, who isn't fully healthy? Big difference between Kawhi playing at less than 100% and guys like KD and Klay not even playing. Cousins isn't even close to full health. Iguodala is also pretty banged up.

    I think if both teams were at full strength, Warriors would probably win in 5. Toronto is a great story and an easy team to root for, but Warriors are a championship dynasty. Raptors aren't all that special other than Kawhi. This is the same Toronto team that had home court and got swept by one of LeBron's weaker teams.

    The Warriors were 100% and couldn't beat the Clippers in 5. The Raptors that got swept last year didn't have Kawhi, Gasol, Green, and Siakam was a role player averaging 7 points per game, he's now a budding all-star averaging 17 points per game.

    There is a massive difference between the Kawhi that's on the court and healthy Kawhi.

    If you compare them player for player the Warriors only have a slight edge in high end talent.

    Curry > Lowry
    Klay > Danny Green
    Durant = Kawhi
    Draymond < Siakam ( This might seem odd but statistically he's better than Draymond in every category)
    Cousins < Gasol
    Iggy < Ibaka
    Cook < VanVleet
    Livingston < Anunoby

    The Warriors would certainly be the favorites, but they'd be lucky to win in 6 IMO.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:53 pm
  • I think Toronto needs to ban Danny Green from attempting three pointers. Lowery really struggled. Perhaps ending the game looking like he had all night long will give him the push he needs.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:48 pm
  • I thought Nick Nurse made a huge mistake taking a timeout when Toronto was on a 12-2 run late in the fourth quarter. I think after he took that timeout, GS went on a 9-0 run. Why take a timeout when GS was on the ropes? Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:30 am
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I thought Nick Nurse made a huge mistake taking a timeout when Toronto was on a 12-2 run late in the fourth quarter. I think after he took that timeout, GS went on a 9-0 run. Why take a timeout when GS was on the ropes? Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.



    He massively overthought things. Reminds me of a certain coach close to home...
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:40 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I thought Nick Nurse made a huge mistake taking a timeout when Toronto was on a 12-2 run late in the fourth quarter. I think after he took that timeout, GS went on a 9-0 run. Why take a timeout when GS was on the ropes? Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.


    That was my reaction.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:56 pm
  • I'm sorry GS lost, but it was a helluva game!
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:59 pm
  • Warriors couldn’t catch a break this series. Once Klay went down it was clear they just aren’t meant to win the championship. Congrats to the Raptors. They are probably one of the weaker championship teams, but I’m glad someone other than the Warriors finally won. I hope this is a start of a more unpredictable NBA, where it isn’t just LeBron James and the Warriors winning it all each season.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:21 pm
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:Warriors couldn’t catch a break this series. Once Klay went down it was clear they just aren’t meant to win the championship. Congrats to the Raptors. They are probably one of the weaker championship teams, but I’m glad someone other than the Warriors finally won. I hope this is a start of a more unpredictable NBA, where it isn’t just LeBron James and the Warriors winning it all each season.


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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:34 am
  • The media and fans will likely blame injuries, but depth is ultimately what cost the Warriors the title. They were forced to rely on a short rotation throughout the playoffs and guys started to wear down. Their bench was abysmal. The Raptors have 7 guys who can create a shot. The Warriors have 2 without Durant.

    Steph and Klay had their best shooting finals collectively, and they were still lucky to win 2 games. One historic quarter offensively and the Raptors choking were the only things preventing this from being a sweep.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:52 am
  • Drake celebrating like he's on the team is laugh out loud funny.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:42 am
  • Canada has the title? A... how did this happen A ? This is a joke right? What is wrong with people A?
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:45 pm
  • knownone wrote:The media and fans will likely blame injuries, but depth is ultimately what cost the Warriors the title. They were forced to rely on a short rotation throughout the playoffs and guys started to wear down. Their bench was abysmal. The Raptors have 7 guys who can create a shot. The Warriors have 2 without Durant.

    Steph and Klay had their best shooting finals collectively, and they were still lucky to win 2 games. One historic quarter offensively and the Raptors choking were the only things preventing this from being a sweep.


    How do you have depth when carrying a top 5 and top 25 player in addition to all the other players? I can't imagine a scenario where the Warriors roster could have depth to make a difference without Klay or Durant. Like the drop off from either to 'next best' on the roster would likely be similar for any given team across the NBA, not just a Warriors problem per se.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:06 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    knownone wrote:The media and fans will likely blame injuries, but depth is ultimately what cost the Warriors the title. They were forced to rely on a short rotation throughout the playoffs and guys started to wear down. Their bench was abysmal. The Raptors have 7 guys who can create a shot. The Warriors have 2 without Durant.

    Steph and Klay had their best shooting finals collectively, and they were still lucky to win 2 games. One historic quarter offensively and the Raptors choking were the only things preventing this from being a sweep.


    How do you have depth when carrying a top 5 and top 25 player in addition to all the other players? I can't imagine a scenario where the Warriors roster could have depth to make a difference without Klay or Durant. Like the drop off from either to 'next best' on the roster would likely be similar for any given team across the NBA, not just a Warriors problem per se.

    Good question, but that's not really the point I was making. I'm saying that the lack of depth cost them the title. I'm not necessarily blaming them for it. My overall point is that we shouldn't diminish the Raptors victory because GSW suffered injuries when they were playing 4 players damn near 40 minutes/game for the entire playoffs. That's not sustainable for guys at or close to 30 years old. You can't hide 4 guys on defense to get them rest during a game, so they played hard minutes throughout the entire playoffs and it ultimately cost them.

    The Raptors are a significantly deeper team top to bottom. They had one player +- 30 playing 35 minutes/game, the other 2 players are 24 and 27.

    If you go through the roster player for player, the Warriors were pretty average 1/8, but average depth rarely wins titles regardless of how great your top end players are. We saw this with the Heat in 2011 and 2014, they had significantly better high end talent than the Mavs and Spurs, but they didn't have the depth and their starters wore down or got injured in the end.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:33 pm
  • That's sort of cherry picking a fairly unique situation though..

    "Hey you lost because the best player in the league and probably the best shooter in the league, as well as your super sub, who happen to be on your team were inactive or unable to play much.. and you couldn't replace them."

    They have bad depth because their top 6 are so strong. 3 of them just couldn't offer much. I just don't know what kind of depth you can expect with first 6.

    All that said, I thought Toronto was terrific in the series. Very aggressive and poised.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:20 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:That's sort of cherry picking a fairly unique situation though..

    "Hey you lost because the best player in the league and probably the best shooter in the league, as well as your super sub, who happen to be on your team were inactive or unable to play much.. and you couldn't replace them."

    They have bad depth because their top 6 are so strong. 3 of them just couldn't offer much. I just don't know what kind of depth you can expect with first 6.

    All that said, I thought Toronto was terrific in the series. Very aggressive and poised.

    What's unique about this situation? We saw it in last years conference finals when Chris Paul got hurt. It's happened at least 5 times since 2015. The only thing unique is that it happened to 2 premier players, but we saw that in 2015 when both Kyrie and Kevin Love went down with injuries.

    They used their MLE on a guy coming off an Achilles injury, and they didn't even know if he'd come back this season when they signed him. They resigned Iggy to a ludicrous deal for a player his age (the prior year). They gave 8 million/year to a point guard who can't create his own shot in Livingston. Look, I'm not saying those are bad players, but it's not as if the Warriors couldn't make moves for guys who were a better fit for the team during the season. They choose to reward guys because of loyalty which is fine, but it ultimately cost them.

    The Raptors have a deeper top 6. They have 3 top 30 guys, and 2 others who'd fall somewhere in the top 50. Iggy at 35 and Cousins (a year removed from an Achilles) are not top 50 guys. Kawhi just had the best playoffs since LeBron in '12 and Jordan in '98. I'd still favor the Warriors with a healthy KD, but the best player in the league was not on the Warriors; he's on the Raptors.

    Klay missed 1 1/2 games but he played lights out before and after his (initial) injury. He was still -11 in the series despite shooting damn near 60% from three. Losing Klay hurt but they were barely hanging on even when he was out there. There is no guarantee that he'd continue his record pace sharing the ball with KD.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:29 am
  • It happened to two premier players and another premier player they were hoping would be the best off the bench. Klay was far less than 100 percent in all but maybe one game.


    If it's not unique when 3 premier players from an nba team are not able to contribute then you should know how almost impossible it is to compete.

    Of ourse the Raptors have a deeper first 6 when you compare the salaries they are playing and the health of the group's. Play this with everything equal and I firmly believe GS wins.

    Not a sweep, mind. Toronto was very good. But questioning why GS depth couldn't fill in for their stars over entire games doesn't seem fair.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:54 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:That's sort of cherry picking a fairly unique situation though..

    "Hey you lost because the best player in the league and probably the best shooter in the league, as well as your super sub, who happen to be on your team were inactive or unable to play much.. and you couldn't replace them."

    They have bad depth because their top 6 are so strong. 3 of them just couldn't offer much. I just don't know what kind of depth you can expect with first 6.

    All that said, I thought Toronto was terrific in the series. Very aggressive and poised.


    I agree with basically everything you said.

    This isn't rocket science. When a team loses players like Durant and Thompson, you aren't going to win a championship. I understand what knowone is saying, the depth was terrible. But even if GS (or Cleveland in the past when they lost Love and Kyrie) had better replacements, you aren't going to win a championship with better role players filling in for superstar players.

    Nothing wrong with GS taking Cousins at that deal, any team would have done that. GS might have had the worst luck I've ever seen in the playoffs. Literally every player that contributes besides Curry got hurt at some point. Both Durant and Klay got injured twice. Cousins got hurt and was rushed back. Looney who is a key piece got hurt and was also rushed back. Iguodala was banged up for the entire playoffs.

    What these playoffs showed me is how great Durant is. People forget that the Warriors were far from unstoppable before they got Durant. They blew a 3-1 lead and lost the finals to the Cavs. That same season they lost to the Cavs, they were down 3-1 to OKC and came back to win. The splash brothers are awesome, but they can be stopped. Durant is match up proof, even against the best defense he will just shoot over the top of his defender. I'm really excited for this offseason, because there is going to be a major shake up. Could be the biggest free agency we've ever seen. As much as everyone hates the big market teams like the Knicks and Lakers, I think it would be cool to see them become great.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:01 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:It happened to two premier players and another premier player they were hoping would be the best off the bench. Klay was far less than 100 percent in all but maybe one game.


    If it's not unique when 3 premier players from an nba team are not able to contribute then you should know how almost impossible it is to compete.

    Of ourse the Raptors have a deeper first 6 when you compare the salaries they are playing and the health of the group's. Play this with everything equal and I firmly believe GS wins.

    Not a sweep, mind. Toronto was very good. But questioning why GS depth couldn't fill in for their stars over entire games doesn't seem fair.

    I respect your opinion, but are you really calling Cousins a premier player? He's a good litmus test for 'did you actually watch the regular season' because he has great stats while being terrible on the court. In the regular season the Warriors had the number one offensive rating 115.6 without Cousins on the floor, their rating drops to 107.4 with him on the floor. He was virtually unplayable before his quad injury because he couldn't play defense.

    If Cousins was healthy there is no way the Warriors would have been able to sign him this off-season. So, to assume his injury during the playoffs had a significant impact on the outcome on the finals is silly. There lucky he could give them any minutes before or after the injury. On top of that, he shot 30% on 12 attempts from the field, had 6 turnovers, and fouled out in 21 minutes before his quad injury.

    We mostly agree though, I think the Warriors would be a slight favorite with KD and Klay healthy. It's important to remember that Kawhi was only 80% in this series and the Raptors were missing their best best wing defender in OG Anunoby. If both teams are 100% it goes 7.

    If you are wondering what healthy Kawhi looked like against a better Warriors team.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:51 pm
  • Lebron got himself a star to play with! :0190l:
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:55 pm
  • Cousins is a premier player when healthy, yes. That was my point. The warriors had planned on 6 healthy players by playoffs and maybe had contingency for one big absence.

    3 was a lot and I don't think you can harp on GS for not preparing for that.

    Kawhi is exceptional no doubt. All things considered, he is the first player you start a team with.

    I'm only saying it's hard to rail on GS for not planning for all of the things that finally befell their team.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Thread
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:44 pm
  • There isn’t a ton to debate here. It’s sinple, the Warriors got hit with a ton of injuries and couldn’t overcome them. No team would have. You take away arguably the best player and best shooter in the league and add in some other injuries and you aren’t going to be a champion.
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