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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:40 pm
  • massari wrote:If they don't end up with Ohtani, it'll be an epic failure at this point considering all the prospects they've given away from an already depleted farm system.


    If we don't get him and don't put the international money to good use, honestly I think it's a fireable offense for all of them, mainly DiDummy
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:32 pm
  • Ms favorites to sign him. Wow. Exciting but a big question mark. We are really going to have him DH and pitch every 5th day? So that means Cruz back in the outfield? Uhh
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:55 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:Ms favorites to sign him. Wow. Exciting but a big question mark. We are really going to have him DH and pitch every 5th day? So that means Cruz back in the outfield? Uhh

    Apparently Ohtani can play OF and is willing to learn 1B. If he can pull that off, his versatility could be invaluable, if DH'ing and pitching weren't enough already.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:22 pm
  • massari wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Ms favorites to sign him. Wow. Exciting but a big question mark. We are really going to have him DH and pitch every 5th day? So that means Cruz back in the outfield? Uhh

    Apparently Ohtani can play OF and is willing to learn 1B. If he can pull that off, his versatility could be invaluable, if DH'ing and pitching weren't enough already.

    1st base is an easy position to learn. If he can hit AND pitch (which he can) that frees up another roster spot.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:33 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    massari wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:Ms favorites to sign him. Wow. Exciting but a big question mark. We are really going to have him DH and pitch every 5th day? So that means Cruz back in the outfield? Uhh

    Apparently Ohtani can play OF and is willing to learn 1B. If he can pull that off, his versatility could be invaluable, if DH'ing and pitching weren't enough already.

    1st base is an easy position to learn. If he can hit AND pitch (which he can) that frees up another roster spot.


    Didn’t the M’s make a trade for a player they project as an everyday first baseman? I don’t think it makes much sense to project Shohei at 1B.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:49 pm
  • Ya he's not going to first base. Ms are seriously going to try and make him the best hitter/pitcher since Babe Ruth.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:55 pm
  • How about RF?
    Isn't he touted as one of the great fielders with an arm better than Iciro's?
    I thought I had read that somewhere.
    Guess you don't want to wear him out though
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:24 pm
  • TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:Who is this guy? Is he big power hitter or something? What's his comp player? Sounds like a punk diva like the Manning brothers in the NFL. He better be at least as good as as Peyton (surefire HOF type) in my opinion.



    Punk diva? Do some homework, son. The guy is foregoing multiple millions to come over and play. If he waited two more years then he would get a healthy contract. He wants to play and prove himself and doesn't want a bog market club. Definitely not diva behavior.
    So I did research as you asked because I knew nothing about him. I basically see he's Babe Ruth an elite pitcher and power hitter. Are they actually insane enough to expect him to be a two way player with the modern 162 game schedule? JPL is only 120 games with 6 man pitching rotations.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:41 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:There are seven teams still in the running. The Angels, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, Padres, and Rangers.

    No damn way the Angels, Cubs, Dodgers or Giants are in under his requirements. It's between Oakland, San Diego, Seattle and Texas maybe. Mariners give him the most money given ISM and no state tax.....plot thickens.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:54 pm
  • Josea16 wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:Who is this guy? Is he big power hitter or something? What's his comp player? Sounds like a punk diva like the Manning brothers in the NFL. He better be at least as good as as Peyton (surefire HOF type) in my opinion.



    Punk diva? Do some homework, son. The guy is foregoing multiple millions to come over and play. If he waited two more years then he would get a healthy contract. He wants to play and prove himself and doesn't want a bog market club. Definitely not diva behavior.
    So I did research as you asked because I knew nothing about him. I basically see he's Babe Ruth an elite pitcher and power hitter. Are they actually insane enough to expect him to be a two way player with the modern 162 game schedule? JPL is only 120 games with 6 man pitching rotations.

    He’ll require more days off being a “2 way player”. Don’t be surprised if the M’s do use a 6 man rotation at times if they get him.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:06 pm
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    Josea16 wrote:
    TransGenderHawkFan wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:Who is this guy? Is he big power hitter or something? What's his comp player? Sounds like a punk diva like the Manning brothers in the NFL. He better be at least as good as as Peyton (surefire HOF type) in my opinion.

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    Punk diva? Do some homework, son. The guy is foregoing multiple millions to come over and play. If he waited two more years then he would get a healthy contract. He wants to play and prove himself and doesn't want a bog market club. Definitely not diva behavior.
    So I did research as you asked because I knew nothing about him. I basically see he's Babe Ruth an elite pitcher and power hitter. Are they actually insane enough to expect him to be a two way player with the modern 162 game schedule? JPL is only 120 games with 6 man pitching rotations.

    He’ll require more days off being a “2 way player”. Don’t be surprised if the M’s do use a 6 man rotation at times if they get him.

    Interesting, that would be trend setting. Either way I'm happy the Mariners are finally willing spend and roll, and possibly win like the Seahawks. And going with six helps EVERY SP immensely. It's on the level of a 4-2-5 football defense. It practically opens up a roster spot for a specific type of player that's required to win under the current MLB rules. No wonder they are all in. Thank God the Japanese have a positive and strong presence in Seattle because of Ichiro.

    I think we may have the inside track boys.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:34 pm
  • All I keep thinking about during this hype is Steve Nebraska from the Scout...


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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:19 am
  • With that pool of money,if we don't get him there is plenty of other talent to reload our farm system with.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:11 am
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    massari wrote:If they don't end up with Ohtani, it'll be an epic failure at this point considering all the prospects they've given away from an already depleted farm system.


    If we don't get him and don't put the international money to good use, honestly I think it's a fireable offense for all of them, mainly DiDummy



    Why in the world would you say that? Dipoto has done any and everything in his power to try and get it done. If they ultimately lose out cause Ohtani wants to live on the beach in SD and is cool with only 300k signing bonus What possibly more could Dipoto have done?


    If that happens, we turn around and spend the international bonus money on a bunch of young Venequelen, dominican, cuban etc players. We can useit this year, we can push it to next etc. It can help replenish what was lost. Younger guys yes, but potentially higher ceilings.

    Also the Braves had to forfit like 10 international signinings cause they got caught cheating. So we can sign some of those guys too.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:12 am
  • YUCK!!! The Angels??? Booooo
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:14 am
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:18 am
  • Bummer. And the M's gave up some good prospects to even get a chance. That being said, at least they gave it a hell of an effort. F the Angels
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:28 am
  • Fire Dipoto. Idiot traded away some good prospects for nothing now.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:31 am
  • Vpk0718 wrote:Fire Dipoto. Idiot traded away some good prospects for nothing now.



    So you'd rather he not of tried?
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 am
  • Major props to Dipoto for giving an A+ effort. Don't know if Ohtani will make Angels kings of the AL but he will certainly help them out a lot. Will make the AL West a fun division next couple of years. Now...

    The nice thing about Ohtani signing with the Angels, is it saves a bit of work for Servais - he doesn't have to worry how to give Ohtani playing time - it allows Cruz to stay DH and stay off of the field, saving outfield WAR. It also allows the M's to go after Yu Darvish if they so choose(since they don't have to worry about Ohtani's no Japanese player requirement, if that is a true rumor). Also the M's have Dee Gordon who is a terrific base runner which, combined with Jean Segura, Mitch Haniger's hitting ability, along with the Veteran presence (cano, cruz, Seager, etc), that is a lot of movement on the bases which is a huge plus in creating runs.

    With Ohtani gone, they do not have media pressure to become dominant - even though we as fans want them to. It means they can take their time throughout the season to figure themselves out without leaning on a 23-year old pitcher new to MLB, and not worry about Ohtani media hype.

    The M's do have international money they can use to recover some of the farm system, which is a really, really, bad farm system, and perhaps even improve on it. Instead of using $3M+ for one player, Jerry can use that money to sign several other players to build better depth for the club.

    Ohtani would have definitely been nice to have, but the Mariners can move forward with their plans now, and don't have to worry about monstrous media hype with Ohtani.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:51 am
  • Man, what a kick in the gut. Really was hoping we'd have a chance.

    And what a slap in the face to Dipoto. The kid went to his old team
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:01 pm
  • The worst part is that he signed with a division opponent. If he'd signed with SD then oh well, whatever, but now the Angels with Ohtani in that lineup/pitching staff... Gross......
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:08 pm
  • gowazzu02 wrote:
    Vpk0718 wrote:Fire Dipoto. Idiot traded away some good prospects for nothing now.



    So you'd rather he not of tried?


    Trying in general is good. But the question is did he try the right way or did he let his hubris get in the way? I’ll wait for more to come out before I really make a determination, but if he knew the angles had the inside track and he just traded away some of our best prospects so he could basically just wave more money in Ohtanis face... well then that would just speak to how incompetent he is.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:11 pm
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:13 pm
  • Aaaaand now I'm not that excited for the upcoming season. No way Ms can compete with Astros or angels now
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:23 pm
  • Well.. maybe, I hope there was something fishy going on and the MLB investigators of illegal foreign players will find something and null the deal.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:27 pm
  • Well time to come up with another plan. That's a huge get for the Angels, like us, they can probably use his pitching more than his hitting.

    I don't blame him for not coming here, this franchise blows. I heard an interview with Dipoto on the radio and he basically explained his pitch. His pitch had nothing to do with winning or the history of the franchise, but rather how Japanese guys have done in the organization. I understand the pitch, but if I'm Othani why would I want to come here. This is 2017, there are plenty of teams now with Japanese ties and players.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:39 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:Well.. maybe, I hope there was something fishy going on and the MLB investigators of illegal foreign players will find something and null the deal.

    Well, there was some rumblings of that earlier... I hope the Angels did something wrong and get a similar penalty to what the Braves got smacked with.


    Buster Olney of ESPN reports that teams are expecting scrutiny from Commissioner Rob Manfred and MLB officials involving possible infractions no matter what team Shohei Ohtani chooses to sign with.
    Teams were warned by Manfred that they could only use the merits of the club to try and convince Ohtani to sign, and that no promises could be made about future contracts or any other financial business partnership. An unnamed source tells Olney that Manfred has given the issue an "unprecedented" amount of attention, knowing that there are several avenues teams could try and exploit to procure his services. This comes a few weeks after the unrivaled penalty Atlanta received that saw the loss of prospects and the banning of former General Manager John Coppolella. For whatever the reasons may be, it appears baseball is serious about keeping the international shenanigans out of the game. Dec 8 - 10:39 AM

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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:24 pm
  • gowazzu02 wrote:
    Vpk0718 wrote:Fire Dipoto. Idiot traded away some good prospects for nothing now.



    So you'd rather he not of tried?


    He gambeled and failed, pissed away some of our top prospects in a hail Mary to save his failing career. I would feel differently if he succeeded but he didn't.

    I think he should be fired too.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:25 pm
  • Obviously Ohtani wasn't looking to join a small market team.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:38 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Obviously Ohtani wasn't looking to join a small market team.


    Or he simply didn't want to play for the worst MLB franchise. Would you blame some hot NFL prospect for not signing with the Browns? At least he has a chance to win with the team he signed with.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:56 pm
  • gowazzu02 wrote:
    therealjohncarlson wrote:
    massari wrote:If they don't end up with Ohtani, it'll be an epic failure at this point considering all the prospects they've given away from an already depleted farm system.


    If we don't get him and don't put the international money to good use, honestly I think it's a fireable offense for all of them, mainly DiDummy



    Why in the world would you say that? Dipoto has done any and everything in his power to try and get it done. If they ultimately lose out cause Ohtani wants to live on the beach in SD and is cool with only 300k signing bonus What possibly more could Dipoto have done?


    If that happens, we turn around and spend the international bonus money on a bunch of young Venequelen, dominican, cuban etc players. We can useit this year, we can push it to next etc. It can help replenish what was lost. Younger guys yes, but potentially higher ceilings.

    Also the Braves had to forfit like 10 international signinings cause they got caught cheating. So we can sign some of those guys too.

    Those players the Braves gave up are free agents but on hold..They do not need to be drafted ect btw
    Losing OH to the Angels sucks but there was going to be only one of seven that gets him.
    Time to move on.The GM tried hard and really there are a few IFA's we can get with that money
    who is to say we won't get a couple superstars from this while Ohtani can be a bust?
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:59 pm
  • Msfann wrote:
    gowazzu02 wrote:
    Vpk0718 wrote:Fire Dipoto. Idiot traded away some good prospects for nothing now.



    So you'd rather he not of tried?


    He gambeled and failed, pissed away some of our top prospects in a hail Mary to save his failing career. I would feel differently if he succeeded but he didn't.

    I think he should be fired too.


    Strongly agree, he went all in and lost. He has made a ton of deals, but ultimately has just spun down the tires while wheeling.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:08 pm
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:08 pm
  • JD has 7 months to make something good happen with all that international spending money or it could be the final straw.

    Also getting Chone Figgins vibes from Dee Gordon. Please be wrong.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:20 pm
  • I think M's made an effort but Ohtani wasn't ever coming to Seattle (IMO). Not when you have two good teams in the LA market bidding for his services. He is also looking at his long term future. He's capped on what he can make since he's under 25. He's trying to maximize his position for his next contract and being in a larger market helps him more. It makes sense business wise for him too.

    The problem with Dipoto is that he has weakened the pitching. Pitching was the strength of the team before he took over. Since he took over, he's bringing in bats at the expense of good pitching. That's what hurt the M's last season, their lack of good pitching.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:27 pm
  • He didn't get nothing in return for the prospects he got Dee Gordon who is a batting champ and an all star. It sucks to lose out but we'll be in the mix if we can figure out how to boost the starting rotation.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:37 pm
  • Well, we have until June to use 3.5mil worth of international cash. Hopefully it can make up for the prospects we lost, what a cluster... Gotta say though, what a shot to the gut. I love this team... but we're the Browns of MLB.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:13 pm
  • What about that Cuban guy the Atlanta Braves lost, or is that something completely different?
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:47 am
  • Ms got Dee Gordon. That’s a nice get. Losing out in Ohtani sucks but.. they tried. That’s promising. One thing with JD, he’s always trying. Not always successfully, but you can assume that the international money will be used, and many additional moves on the horizon.

    Not saying they’ll work, but atleast it’s interesting
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:12 am
  • Yes. Dipoto is bad and I'm tired of this team keeping bad GMs around for years too long. We wasted most of Felix's career on Bavasi and Z, two GMs that the fans knew were terrible but stayed way too long. The same is going to happen again. This ownership doesn't give a shit about winning and is fine with mediocrity.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:23 am
  • Vpk0718 wrote:Yes. Dipoto is bad and I'm tired of this team keeping bad GMs around for years too long. We wasted most of Felix's career on Bavasi and Z, two GMs that the fans knew were terrible but stayed way too long. The same is going to happen again. This ownership doesn't give a shit about winning and is fine with mediocrity.


    Except they keep financing free agent moves and aggressive trades?

    One thing not to like the moves, but it’s not for a lack of trying or caring.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:02 am
  • Well RIP 2018 season... the Yankees just won the WS. Doubt anyone will be able to beat that lineup now. Sucking suck!
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:18 am
  • I freaking hate being a Marlins fan. The team was finally interesting for the first time in 15 years, and then the new ownership comes in and ships out our MVP at the first chance, and to the Yankees of all teams. :cry:

    I know that has nothing to do with this thread, but I figured if anyone could commiserate with me, it'd be Mariners fans.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:47 am
  • I honestly don't get all of the criticism Dipoto gets. He's much better than Jack Z or Bavasi. Those guys literally threw money at big time free agents that never panned out. It's not like Dipoto is giving bad deals left and right.

    My main knock on Dipoto is the lack of emphasis on pitching, but to be fair he inherited one of the worst offensive franchises in MLB history. Before Dipoto, this team was setting records for inept offense.
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Re: M's Off season, 2017-2018
Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:00 pm
  • Rat wrote:I freaking hate being a Marlins fan. The team was finally interesting for the first time in 15 years, and then the new ownership comes in and ships out our MVP at the first chance, and to the Yankees of all teams. :cry:

    I know that has nothing to do with this thread, but I figured if anyone could commiserate with me, it'd be Mariners fans.


    Not for the first time as well. Being a Marlins fan has to be frustrating.
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