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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri May 30, 2014 12:48 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:
    Sourdough #49 wrote:
    Laloosh wrote:Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 37s
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    #49ers TE Vernon Davis is staying away from OTAs because he wants a new deal with 2 years left (as @MaioccoCSN said). Top 3 paid at his spot


    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 37s

    By the way, the #49ers have known about Vernon Davis’ desire for a new contract for a while, at least back in February. Not news to them.
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    And they don't respect the man enough to try and work something out? Class organization right there.


    Nice spin.

    He's already the 3rd highest paid TE in the NFL behind Gronk and Witten.

    Free Agents they have to sign:

    Kaep
    Crabtree
    Iupati
    Alex Boone is also asking for more money (and he deserves it)

    Vernons problem is that he signed a front loaded contract and he's making "only" about 5 mil now...but he was paid up front.
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri May 30, 2014 12:53 pm
  • The more 49er discontent and animosity directed against their own players for asking for more money . . . the better.

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  • Not sure how Niners fans can stomach this. I empathize with them. Davis brings up his numbers while SF had zero receivers and no TE depth and now tries to cash in before proving it on a full strength offense. Continues to play like a mouse versus SF's biggest rival.

    If a similar situation happened in Seattle, it would get real ugly around here.
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  • loafoftatupu wrote:Vernon Davis will be playing and he will get his coin. He is a bad-ass that just has a real serious Kamtrack allergy.


    To be fair, he continues to go up against the Kam-track.

    He loses every time, but he tries, God bless him.
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  • Seattle also made sure to re-do Clemons's contract when he briefly held out a couple years ago, but Seattle's FO tries their best to reward players who perform.

    Davis's situation is a little bit different than Clemons's was, however.
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  • Marvin love.

    I know all of you are diehard Hawk fans, but it really is rare that you get a fan from another team who not only reads all of your homerisms, but also pretty much objectively posts about his own loved team.


    I just wanted to point that out.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    loafoftatupu wrote:Vernon Davis will be playing and he will get his coin. He is a bad-ass that just has a real serious Kamtrack allergy.


    To be fair, he continues to go up against the Kam-track.

    He loses every time, but he tries, God bless him.


    You have to respect a guy that puts in extra work. In this case, working on his ability to take a hit from Kam Chancellor.

    This happened the week following the second 'hawks game. Right back at it, perfecting that craft.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:Not sure how Niners fans can stomach this. I empathize with them. Davis brings up his numbers while SF had zero receivers and no TE depth and now tries to cash in before proving it on a full strength offense. Continues to play like a mouse versus SF's biggest rival.

    If a similar situation happened in Seattle, it would get real ugly around here.

    He broke the TD record for TEs only a couple seasons ago. Don't act like last season was his only stellar year.

    And, to be honest, nobody on the 49ers even remembers the Kam Chancellor hit on Davis. It's football. Hits happen all the time. Trust me, the 49ers have just a hard hitting defense. Only difference is, our fanbase doesn't go around believing other players are scared of Patrick Willis or Navrrow Bowman.
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  • And, to be honest, nobody on the 49ers even remembers the Kam Chancellor hit on Davis. It's football. Hits happen all the time. Trust me, the 49ers have just a hard hitting defense. Only difference is, our fanbase doesn't go around believing other players are scared of Patrick Willis or Navrrow Bowman.


    Then they aren't paying attention because other NFL players ARE scared of Willis and Bowman...
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  • The_Z_Man wrote:
    And, to be honest, nobody on the 49ers even remembers the Kam Chancellor hit on Davis. It's football. Hits happen all the time. Trust me, the 49ers have just a hard hitting defense. Only difference is, our fanbase doesn't go around believing other players are scared of Patrick Willis or Navrrow Bowman.


    Then they aren't paying attention because other NFL players ARE scared of Willis and Bowman...

    Sure, but those players that might be intimidated by Willis and Bowman aren't a complete liability on the field like people are suggesting Davis is against the Seahawks.
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Sat May 31, 2014 10:07 am
  • Niner fans should just worry about Vernon participating in games played at Seattle.
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Sat May 31, 2014 10:55 am
  • RedAlice wrote:Marvin love.

    I know all of you are diehard Hawk fans, but it really is rare that you get a fan from another team who not only reads all of your homerisms, but also pretty much objectively posts about his own loved team.


    I just wanted to point that out.


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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Sat May 31, 2014 11:07 am
  • RedAlice wrote:Marvin love.

    I know all of you are diehard Hawk fans, but it really is rare that you get a fan from another team who not only reads all of your homerisms, but also pretty much objectively posts about his own loved team.


    I just wanted to point that out.


    Is that a way of patting yourself on the back?
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Sat May 31, 2014 11:29 am
  • Front7vLOB wrote:Sure, but those players that might be intimidated by Willis and Bowman aren't a complete liability on the field like people are suggesting Davis is against the Seahawks.


    A lot of suggestions on sports fan boards are what I call: "Huffin and Puffin" or "H&R" -- and you just need to recognize it as such and understand that there is no logical argument to be made against "H&R" statements, especially when you are in home territory.
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  • Front7vLOB wrote:He broke the TD record for TEs only a couple seasons ago. Don't act like last season was his only stellar year.

    And, to be honest, nobody on the 49ers even remembers the Kam Chancellor hit on Davis. It's football. Hits happen all the time. Trust me, the 49ers have just a hard hitting defense. Only difference is, our fanbase doesn't go around believing other players are scared of Patrick Willis or Navrrow Bowman.


    Davis took a long time to develop into the receiving TE he was drafted to be. We are talking 3-4 years of consistent production in games that really mattered. Some of that could be QB or offensive style, but out of the blocks Davis was a disappointment.

    And to be honest every 49er remembers the hits on Davis. Especially Davis. It was evident in the NFCC and there just isn't a lot of guys out there that can do that to a 250 pound TE.

    It's not our fault that Kamtrack has highlight reel hits on your boy that NFLN replays frequently. Impossible to forget.

    Just read a pre game thread in a Niner forum, you will see the posts about how RW is scared. Of course more often than not RW makes the defender look like Warner Brothers cartoon Villian.
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  • RedAlice wrote:Marvin love.

    I know all of you are diehard Hawk fans, but it really is rare that you get a fan from another team who not only reads all of your homerisms, but also pretty much objectively posts about his own loved team.


    I just wanted to point that out.


    LOL NOPE

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  • hawknation2014 wrote:Davis says he "might not" attend mandatory training camp.

    http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/05/30 ... -be-there/

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  • loafoftatupu wrote:
    Front7vLOB wrote:He broke the TD record for TEs only a couple seasons ago. Don't act like last season was his only stellar year.

    And, to be honest, nobody on the 49ers even remembers the Kam Chancellor hit on Davis. It's football. Hits happen all the time. Trust me, the 49ers have just a hard hitting defense. Only difference is, our fanbase doesn't go around believing other players are scared of Patrick Willis or Navrrow Bowman.


    Davis took a long time to develop into the receiving TE he was drafted to be. We are talking 3-4 years of consistent production in games that really mattered. Some of that could be QB or offensive style, but out of the blocks Davis was a disappointment.

    And to be honest every 49er remembers the hits on Davis. Especially Davis. It was evident in the NFCC and there just isn't a lot of guys out there that can do that to a 250 pound TE.

    It's not our fault that Kamtrack has highlight reel hits on your boy that NFLN replays frequently. Impossible to forget.

    Just read a pre game thread in a Niner forum, you will see the posts about how RW is scared. Of course more often than not RW makes the defender look like Warner Brothers cartoon Villian.


    That's fair.

    He also needed an adjustment in attitude. Vernon has been a completely different player since the day Mike Singletary kicked him out of the game.
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  • Just pay the man. Whatever it is he wants... double it.
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  • HawkWow wrote:Just pay the man. Whatever it is he wants... double it.


    Yep.. It's totally obvious that Davis' main concern is winning a Super Bowl. Definitely pay the man more.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Seattle also made sure to re-do Clemons's contract when he briefly held out a couple years ago, but Seattle's FO tries their best to reward players who perform.


    Like how they never even bothered offering Tate a deal so that they could pay Percy two million per catch last year? Or like how they cut Robinson too late for him to catch on anywhere else last year, or like how they cut one of their team captains one year after extending him to avoid giving him his roster bonus because they decided they liked a rental FA better?

    And I'm not even remotely bagging on the Hawks at all. EVERY fan of every team is living in a glass house when throwing those stones.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:Seattle also made sure to re-do Clemons's contract when he briefly held out a couple years ago, but Seattle's FO tries their best to reward players who perform.


    Like how they never even bothered offering Tate a deal so that they could pay Percy two million per catch last year? Or like how they cut Robinson too late for him to catch on anywhere else last year, or like how they cut one of their team captains one year after extending him to avoid giving him his roster bonus because they decided they liked a rental FA better?

    And I'm not even remotely bagging on the Hawks at all. EVERY fan of every team is living in a glass house when throwing those stones.



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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:Seattle also made sure to re-do Clemons's contract when he briefly held out a couple years ago, but Seattle's FO tries their best to reward players who perform.


    Like how they never even bothered offering Tate a deal so that they could pay Percy two million per catch last year? Or like how they cut Robinson too late for him to catch on anywhere else last year, or like how they cut one of their team captains one year after extending him to avoid giving him his roster bonus because they decided they liked a rental FA

    Someone's bottom is still smarting after the NFCCG. ^^^

    But I'm sure you are "over it and all".... :roll:

    I'm not complaining but I've noticed you've posted a lot less since Seattle ended the digits season....... but now you are starting to feel more brave as your false bravado grows as a new season is on the horizon.

    Neat! :sarcasm_off:
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:12 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:Just pay the man. Whatever it is he wants... double it.

    I say triple it. If they can pay Krapperstanck 18M a year surely Davis is worth 17.5M?
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:42 pm
  • HMM nina fans may not remember the original KamTram hit:

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    BUT Part 2 wasn't so bad either and can't be as easy to shake knowing you got dazed by the same dude previous yr.. except now its in the NFCCG.. Face it Kams got his number and Don't say he wasn't dazed, I laughed seeing vernon blink and shake his head crazy to keep from being pulled the ball coming out like that I'd say a nice quick blackout

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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    I'm not complaining but I've noticed you've posted a lot less since Seattle ended the digits season....... but now you are starting to feel more brave as your false bravado grows as a new season is on the horizon.

    Neat! :sarcasm_off:



    Lol at the delusional timeline. I posted a ton through the beginning of March and since then have posted much, much less for the exact reason I said I'd be posting much, much less: my wife gave birth to our first child -- a daughter -- on March 15. I just simply don't have the time to clean up hers while also commenting on your incessant obsession with rolling around in yours. ;)
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  • Don't bother with Sports Hernia. He is borderline stocker who can't have an intelligent football conversation without trolling anyone who disagrees with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has your post history printed up on his wall.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:Seattle also made sure to re-do Clemons's contract when he briefly held out a couple years ago, but Seattle's FO tries their best to reward players who perform.


    Like how they never even bothered offering Tate a deal so that they could pay Percy two million per catch last year? Or like how they cut Robinson too late for him to catch on anywhere else last year, or like how they cut one of their team captains one year after extending him to avoid giving him his roster bonus because they decided they liked a rental FA better?

    And I'm not even remotely bagging on the Hawks at all. EVERY fan of every team is living in a glass house when throwing those stones.


    They did offer Tate a deal, just not as much as he wanted, nor as much as Detroit was willing to offer him. I think he was smart to take the money and move on.

    Robinson came down with an illness in training camp last year and was not able to play football for ANY team, so your point is rather moot. Considering his organs almost completely shut down and he lost 30lbs, playing a position that is not highly sought after (FB), the timing of his cut had little to do with his not joining a team early on in the season. Considering we later brought him back makes this even less of a point.

    Are you talking about Clemons for the 3rd one? I guess I can see what you're saying, but he was a 32 y/o on year 3 of his 3 year extension and would have counted for $9.5m against the cap... pretty much everyone saw that cut coming. Not sure any team would have kept him at that price. Jags signed him for a much more reasonable 4 year/ $17.5 mil.

    I mean, I get your point that all teams make business decisions, but your specific choices were all logical moves and not really out of line.
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  • JZ#1 wrote:Don't bother with Sports Hernia. He is borderline stocker who can't have an intelligent football conversation without trolling anyone who disagrees with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has your post history printed up on his wall.




    Nah, you see we pretty much know Popeye. He comes as the Niner fan he is. He likely was a little torqued because there was a lot of weighted conversation after the NFCCG. Nobody was stalking him and he will always be welcome.

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  • Popeyejones wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    I'm not complaining but I've noticed you've posted a lot less since Seattle ended the digits season....... but now you are starting to feel more brave as your false bravado grows as a new season is on the horizon.

    Neat! :sarcasm_off:



    Lol at the delusional timeline. I posted a ton through the beginning of March and since then have posted much, much less for the exact reason I said I'd be posting much, much less: my wife gave birth to our first child -- a daughter -- on March 15. I just simply don't have the time to clean up hers while also commenting on your incessant obsession with rolling around in yours. ;)

    I think you should pay more attention to your new priorities in life than trolling a rival fan forum. Time to grow up and be an adult, right?
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  • JZ#1 wrote:Don't bother with Sports Hernia. He is borderline stocker who can't have an intelligent football conversation without trolling anyone who disagrees with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has your post history printed up on his wall.

    This is rich coming from the biggest Nina troll who masquerades as a Hawks fan. You're acting skills are poor, son!



    PS. I'm going to pull a Roland here...... The word is "stalker" not "stocker"...... Nina trolls don't spell well either?
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  • JZ#1 - I bet people would get off your case if you would just come clean and admit that you are a 49er fan.

    Original topic: Vernon Davis had better get used to sitting on his couch because the 49ers are going to try and sign Crabtree next. I'm guessing Davis gives this one up, but if he doesn't, that should be interesting.

    Considering that Roman's offense has Kaepernick making only one or two reads at a time and that they will be pounding the ball a ton this year with Gore/Hyde/Lattimer, I don't see that Davis has any leverage at all, whatsoever.
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:49 pm
  • Today Vern said he started trying to get a new deal done DURING last season.
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  • SouthSoundHawk wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:
    loafoftatupu wrote:Vernon Davis will be playing and he will get his coin. He is a bad-ass that just has a real serious Kamtrack allergy.


    To be fair, he continues to go up against the Kam-track.

    He loses every time, but he tries, God bless him.


    You have to respect a guy that puts in extra work. In this case, working on his ability to take a hit from Kam Chancellor.

    This happened the week following the second 'hawks game. Right back at it, perfecting that craft.
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    I think I remember someone asking if Kam got flagged for that play.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:JZ#1 - I bet people would get off your case if you would just come clean and admit that you are a 49er fan.

    Original topic: Vernon Davis had better get used to sitting on his couch because the 49ers are going to try and sign Crabtree next. I'm guessing Davis gives this one up, but if he doesn't, that should be interesting.

    Considering that Roman's offense has Kaepernick making only one or two reads at a time and that they will be pounding the ball a ton this year with Gore/Hyde/Lattimer, I don't see that Davis has any leverage at all, whatsoever.


    Oh hell no, he claims to be a Hawk fan he's all yours.
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  • lvnginhwktwn wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:JZ#1 - I bet people would get off your case if you would just come clean and admit that you are a 49er fan.

    Original topic: Vernon Davis had better get used to sitting on his couch because the 49ers are going to try and sign Crabtree next. I'm guessing Davis gives this one up, but if he doesn't, that should be interesting.

    Considering that Roman's offense has Kaepernick making only one or two reads at a time and that they will be pounding the ball a ton this year with Gore/Hyde/Lattimer, I don't see that Davis has any leverage at all, whatsoever.


    Oh hell no, he claims to be a Hawk fan he's all yours.


    HAHA, even you know that's not true. Why don't you put his helmut back on him and try and keep him from licking the windows while you take him home. :D
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  • Mike 4G wrote:
    SouthSoundHawk wrote:
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    loafoftatupu wrote:Vernon Davis will be playing and he will get his coin. He is a bad-ass that just has a real serious Kamtrack allergy.


    To be fair, he continues to go up against the Kam-track.

    He loses every time, but he tries, God bless him.


    You have to respect a guy that puts in extra work. In this case, working on his ability to take a hit from Kam Chancellor.

    This happened the week following the second 'hawks game. Right back at it, perfecting that craft.
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    I think I remember someone asking if Kam got flagged for that play.


    I heard that wall and Kam are related.
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  • Yawn, Kam has made Davis his Bitch, and he always will be.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
    lvnginhwktwn wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:JZ#1 - I bet people would get off your case if you would just come clean and admit that you are a 49er fan.

    Original topic: Vernon Davis had better get used to sitting on his couch because the 49ers are going to try and sign Crabtree next. I'm guessing Davis gives this one up, but if he doesn't, that should be interesting.

    Considering that Roman's offense has Kaepernick making only one or two reads at a time and that they will be pounding the ball a ton this year with Gore/Hyde/Lattimer, I don't see that Davis has any leverage at all, whatsoever.


    Oh hell no, he claims to be a Hawk fan he's all yours.


    HAHA, even you know that's not true. Why don't you put his helmut back on him and try and keep him from licking the windows while you take him home. :D


    ROFLMAO!
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  • Before I forget, congrats to Popeye on his new daughter (and I mean that sincerely).

    Now I'm going to call CPS because Popeye is unjustly abusing that poor baby by preparing to raise her as a 49er fan.
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  • ADB is an exception to the rule.

    I hate holdouts as a fan. As a person that has to work for a living, I have come around to understanding why for the players it's the norm. It's practically the only leverage players have. And that's the same for just about every entrepreneur or business owner including team owners - use the leverage you have to get the best deal.

    "In today’s NFL, players have every right to hold out"
    "He has the right to hold out because, if he does, he’s behaving no differently than the men who amassed enough money and influence to own an NFL team. Businessmen don’t simply trip into success (although some are born into it); they make shrewd decisions, based on the realities of any given situation with which they’re faced."

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -hold-out/

    "Blame the system, not the holdout"

    "As one unnamed agent said, "Players hold out today for the same reason they did 15 or 20 years ago: It's the only option they have. Contracts in other industries can be bilateral -- meaning both parties have control in the agreement -- but in the NFL they are unilateral. All the power goes to one party."

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/83216 ... me-holdout
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  • Mike 4G wrote:
    SouthSoundHawk wrote:
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    loafoftatupu wrote:Vernon Davis will be playing and he will get his coin. He is a bad-ass that just has a real serious Kamtrack allergy.


    To be fair, he continues to go up against the Kam-track.

    He loses every time, but he tries, God bless him.


    You have to respect a guy that puts in extra work. In this case, working on his ability to take a hit from Kam Chancellor.

    This happened the week following the second 'hawks game. Right back at it, perfecting that craft.
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    DAP. DAP.

    I think I remember someone asking if Kam got flagged for that play.


    hahahaha :229031_victory:
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:02 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Funny thing about all that Niner "talent". It was stockpiled from years of sucking and drafting early. Schneider is a baws.


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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:33 am
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Before I forget, congrats to Popeye on his new daughter (and I mean that sincerely).

    Now I'm going to call CPS because Popeye is unjustly abusing that poor baby by preparing to raise her as a 49er fan.


    OK...genuinely...that's funny. :D
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:37 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:Today Vern said he started trying to get a new deal done DURING last season.


    Correct.

    I think this is about a couple things...

    1) The Fantex thing. I think he's actually trying to act like a corporation and raise his stock value (and no, I'm not really cool with that).

    2) I don't think this is so much about getting a raise as it is about extending the length of the contract in order to remain in SF till he retires and again, increase the value of his "stock".


    I think the whole thing (Fantex) is kinda loony to be honest with you. I'm not a fan.

    I think he'll report to mandatory camp BTW and likely won't be extended till next year when they can convert his salary to a signing bonus and lower his cap number while extending the contract.
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Re: Vernon Davis not participating in OTAs
Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:57 am
  • He has already stated he'll be at mandatory training camp according to Sirius radio. The problem in ninnie land is you have an unhappy superstar that wants his contract redone. I don't think he'd intentionally "dog it" on the field but subconsciously might not be "all in" on the little intangibles that win or lose games.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

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