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Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:48 am
  • Just tweeted his extension.

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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:52 am
  • And now how does the Sherman deal look?
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:53 am
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:54 am
  • After taking a corner 8th overall they also overpay for Haden. The highest paid corner in the league? Haden? Really?

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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:55 am
  • We got an absolute steal of a deal on Sherman. And this is why you get it done early, rather than wait as so many here stupidly adviced. It pays to be the bar setter, because these deals escalate quickly. Sherm is 3x the CB that Haden is and is now making less gtd money only because he signed his deal first.

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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 9:59 am
  • You guys are selling Haden short. Dude is a stud. I'd still put Sherman as the best, but Haden isn't far off. Dude is balls.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:04 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:You guys are selling Haden short. Dude is a stud. I'd still put Sherman as the best, but Haden isn't far off. Dude is balls.

    I like him better then Peterson. They may get something brewing there in Cleveland who knows?
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:07 am
  • After Haden and Peterson the Sherman deal is going to look absolutely genius. Sherman is still the best, he got the fewest targets and STILL the highest interceptions but Haden and Peterson are deserving of big deals too.
    I'm pretty sure he wouldn't but hopefully Sherman won't hold out like Revis did for the Jets to get that 'highest' mark.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:07 am
  • He's a very good corner, but damn, they overpaid.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:09 am
  • A product is worth what the market will bear. In that sense, I don't think they over paid. I just think we got a great deal because Sherman really loves it here. And it took a bit more for Cleveland because they're Cleveland.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:10 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:You guys are selling Haden short. Dude is a stud. I'd still put Sherman as the best, but Haden isn't far off. Dude is balls.


    Great player, but those numbers are ridiculous for his skill level IMO. On pure cover skills and game changing ability, I'm taking Sherman and Revis ahead of him by a mile. Factoring in ST play, I'm also definitely taking Peterson well ahead of Haden.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:16 am
  • Haden faced arguably the league’s toughest slate of matchups on a per snap basis, and was asked to shadow A.J. Green (twice), Torrey Smith (twice), Mike Wallace, Jordy Nelson, Antonio Brown, Cecil Shorts, Dwayne Bowe and Julian Edelman over the course of the season. He didn’t give up a single 100yd game, and allowed less than 50yds in 11 games. He never game up multiple touchdowns in a game and had a six game streak without allowing a score. He only gave up two passes over 30yds (both were for 41yds) and only gave up 20-plus YAC on four occasions. Considering the quality of receiver that Haden was regularly lined up opposite, these are eye-popping statistics.

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    When discussing the best cornerbacks in the league the conversation focuses on Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis. Haden’s name needs to be in that conversation.


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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:17 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:A product is worth what the market will bear.

    A nice theory, but in reality the quip about how a sucker and their money are soon parted is more accurate. Something's worth whatever you can get for it, including selling fake electronics at a 10,000% markup in gas station parking lots and the like.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 10:43 am
  • Richard Sherman ‏@RSherman_25 2h
    Want what I got? Get the stats I got! Least targeted. #opinionvsfact

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Tue May 13, 2014 10:55 am
  • GoHawks wrote:Richard Sherman ‏@RSherman_25 2h
    Want what I got? Get the stats I got! Least targeted. #opinionvsfact

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    That's not even counting the fact he didn't start in year 1 until halfway through the season, where he promptly finished with 4 INT's. Basically he always averages 8 INT's over 16 games.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 11:16 am
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    Haden faced arguably the league’s toughest slate of matchups on a per snap basis, and was asked to shadow A.J. Green (twice), Torrey Smith (twice), Mike Wallace, Jordy Nelson, Antonio Brown, Cecil Shorts, Dwayne Bowe and Julian Edelman over the course of the season. He didn’t give up a single 100yd game, and allowed less than 50yds in 11 games. He never game up multiple touchdowns in a game and had a six game streak without allowing a score. He only gave up two passes over 30yds (both were for 41yds) and only gave up 20-plus YAC on four occasions. Considering the quality of receiver that Haden was regularly lined up opposite, these are eye-popping statistics.

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    When discussing the best cornerbacks in the league the conversation focuses on Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis. Haden’s name needs to be in that conversation.


    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2 ... -big-four/

    That's not an impressive list of receivers. Outside of Green, Nelson, and Brown, those are some very average receivers he covered. That they even listed Torrey Smith negates any point they were trying to make.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 12:21 pm
  • Out of curiosity, how does Sherman stack up in the same categories listed for Haden. We know Sherman faced Fitzgerald twice, Crabtree twice, Andre Johnson, and probably a few others I'm missing
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 12:28 pm
  • The big issue the NFLN and ESPN analysts hit Sherman with is that he doesn't shadow the #1 WR all over the field. It is what Prime told him he would like to see more of. Doesn't matter to those yahoos that the Seahawks defense changes for no man, it is what all these guys use to measure what they consider a shut-down corner.

    That is why Haden, Revis and Peterson get so much love. It is what the skins' DeAngelo used to pump himself up. You can argue until you are blue in the face but these types will not change how they judge corners. Plus in Prime's case, it keeps the worship coming his way long after his time in the game.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 12:44 pm
  • Sherman's Extension:

    4 years
    14.5 per year
    69% of the money is guaranteed

    Haden's Extension:

    5 years
    13.6 per year
    66% guaranteed


    Basically Haden took a longer deal (bad for him, he'll be past 30 when this is up) for a million less per year and a lower percentage guaranteed. That looks about right to me.
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Re: Joe Haden
Tue May 13, 2014 1:11 pm
  • MizzouHawkGal wrote:I like him better then Peterson. They may get something brewing there in Cleveland who knows?


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Re: Joe Haden
Wed May 14, 2014 7:18 am
  • Now Peterson is claiming he is worth more than Sherm...sounds like he is going to push to be highest paid. LOL, hope he enjoys hurting his team for his ego. All I can say is go for it, hold out for 20 mil per year, hehheheh.

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Re: Joe Haden
Wed May 14, 2014 8:14 am
  • Haden is elite, might even be the #2 CB behind Sherm in entire league
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Re: Joe Haden
Wed May 14, 2014 12:34 pm
  • drdiags wrote:The big issue the NFLN and ESPN analysts hit Sherman with is that he doesn't shadow the #1 WR all over the field. It is what Prime told him he would like to see more of. Doesn't matter to those yahoos that the Seahawks defense changes for no man, it is what all these guys use to measure what they consider a shut-down corner.

    That is why Haden, Revis and Peterson get so much love. It is what the skins' DeAngelo used to pump himself up. You can argue until you are blue in the face but these types will not change how they judge corners. Plus in Prime's case, it keeps the worship coming his way long after his time in the game.

    My answer to them......least targeted, most ints.



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Re: Joe Haden
Wed May 14, 2014 12:36 pm
  • drdiags wrote:The big issue the NFLN and ESPN analysts hit Sherman with is that he doesn't shadow the #1 WR all over the field. It is what Prime told him he would like to see more of. Doesn't matter to those yahoos that the Seahawks defense changes for no man, it is what all these guys use to measure what they consider a shut-down corner.

    That is why Haden, Revis and Peterson get so much love. It is what the skins' DeAngelo used to pump himself up. You can argue until you are blue in the face but these types will not change how they judge corners. Plus in Prime's case, it keeps the worship coming his way long after his time in the game.

    He can shadow (he did with Boldin) but the defensive scheme doesn't call for it.
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Re: Joe Haden
Wed May 14, 2014 2:22 pm
  • Haden is a beast, no doubt about it.

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Re: Joe Haden
Thu May 15, 2014 8:36 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/14/corners-getting-paid/

    Not that close.


    I was just coming to post this.

    Let me highlight one (of many) points in Sherman's favor, this one about shadowing the #1 WR vs. locking down one side of the field:

    While Haden and Peterson may have the more varied assignments, teams were more willing to avoid one area (Sherman) than not throw to their top target (Haden and Peterson).
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Re: Joe Haden
Thu May 15, 2014 11:38 am
  • MizzouHawkGal wrote:
    drdiags wrote:The big issue the NFLN and ESPN analysts hit Sherman with is that he doesn't shadow the #1 WR all over the field. It is what Prime told him he would like to see more of. Doesn't matter to those yahoos that the Seahawks defense changes for no man, it is what all these guys use to measure what they consider a shut-down corner.

    That is why Haden, Revis and Peterson get so much love. It is what the skins' DeAngelo used to pump himself up. You can argue until you are blue in the face but these types will not change how they judge corners. Plus in Prime's case, it keeps the worship coming his way long after his time in the game.

    He can shadow (he did with Boldin) but the defensive scheme doesn't call for it.


    Exactly Mizzou Jo, I wonder what the other team's schemes would be like if they just said defensive secondary. He, being a DB, wants to get paid and the old primetime dude needs to keep his knickers in a bunch to make his points, but real facts is facts. In a perfect NFL world, they are all team mates. The lesser of two evils is not always the lesser of two evils. :twisted:
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Re: Joe Haden
Thu May 15, 2014 6:41 pm
  • MizzouHawkGal wrote:He can shadow (he did with Boldin) but the defensive scheme doesn't call for it.


    We know that already, as noted in the 9ers game when he shadowed Boldin when Browner was out. So not sure why you are telling me something I already know. I am just telling you what I hear as the excuse from players and analyst when they try to downplay his claim. If they were paying attention they would know that Sherman has asked several times to do the very thing they downgrade him about.

    In the end, screw them. He got paid and they can anoint whomever they want. Doesn't change the fact that this team values Sherman as if he was the best in the game. Other teams are responding to their own #1 CB with contracts that will be based off of what Sherman has done.

    Haden got more guaranteed money, which is all that really counts, though he did have to give up an extra year to get that $5M difference. Next up is Patrick Peterson.
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Re: Joe Haden
Thu May 15, 2014 6:52 pm
  • Haden is legit, but why do this deal now and why guarantee such a large portion of the contract. Doesn't make sense. Haden is better than Peterson tho.
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Re: Joe Haden
Thu May 15, 2014 7:19 pm
  • JZ#1 wrote:Haden is legit, but why do this deal now and why guarantee such a large portion of the contract. Doesn't make sense.

    On one hand, it's all about stroking egos. Haden is one of a few to be in the conversation as a top tier corner and be coming up on a contract year. He feels he deserves to be the highest paid corner, and the Browns accommodated him.

    But just like the Seahawks' situation with Sherman, it isn't going to be long before Haden's contract doesn't look so outrageous for the Browns. In three years, it won't be a bargain exactly, but they'll have more room under the cap. And in the mean time, they have a happy corner.
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