Popeyejones wrote: Brahn wrote: Popeyejones wrote:
Brahn wrote:You only get 100 throws what QB would you take?
In the post you quote I already said twice that despite their statistical similarity Wilson is obviously a much better player than Smith. If you need it a third time: Wilson, obviously.
And I disagreed with you. The statistical similarities in the key stats like Completion Percentage and Yards Per Completion make Wilson nowhere close to Smith statistically. Maybe we just consider different stats more important. You chose to focus on Passing Yards and TD/Turn Overs, and I choose to look at stats like Completion Percentage and Yards Per Completion ( A QB who is high in both stats makes the most of their opportunities). I then stated that Kaepernick would be closer to "Smith" than Wilson. And then asked between the THREE who would you chose first, and you responded only mentioning Smith and Wilson why not Kaep?
If you wanna address my post why not all of it and not just cherry pick?
1. I focused on both passing and rushing yards to Give Wilson the bump he deserves.
2A. I don't disagree about completion % or yards per completion. I mentioned total yards, TDs, and turnovers because those are the things people tend to talk about when they talk about statistical performance. Things like completion percentage, yards per attempt, and team wins matter for sure, but they are secondary types of stats that people tend to bring up when the stats most commonly used don't tell the story they want to hear. For instance:
For Kaep's starts last year 9ers fans loved to talk about his YPC (because it was very high) to counteract critiques about his lower (in rank) passing yards and completion % totals. It was their favorite homer stat. This was very different than the first first half when 9ers fans loved to talk about Smith's completion % and YPA to counteract people talking about his low passing yards, YPC, and TD totals. Smith's YPA (not YPC) was of course high because he completed a higher percentage of his passes than those he was being compared to, but like completion percentage, it was a homer stat. On the topic of YPC and YPA:
2B. You did not cite "yards per completion", you cited "yards per attempt", which obviously goes up by having a higher completion percentage. If you looked at YPC as you claimed, it would erase over 50% of the variation you're trying to cite between these three quarterbacks. In most cases much of saying someone has a high YPA is simply saying they have a high completion %, which is why people look to YPC. I'm assuming this was just a simple mistake, so no biggie.
3. You also introduce wins as a "more important" stat. Basically, if I'm talking about a quarterback's statistical performance and cite their yards, touchdowns, and turnovers and someone comes in and says the important way to judge them is that one of their teams has 12 wins, another has 11, and a third has 10, I am fairly certain that person is trying to sell me something.
I'm fine with us disagreeing. Truly. For how much better of a QB Wilson is than Smith (in my opinion) statistically they are surprising similar so far this year. We agree that is limited to the primary statistical categories that people tend to talk about when they talk about these things, and doesn't include completion percentage or team wins.
On the year, in total, Wilson has 41 more yards, 1 more touchdown, and 2 more turnovers than Smith, and he also completes 3.9% more of his passes and his team has one more win. That's absolutely true, we just interpret it differently. I think overall that's really similar. You don't.