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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:40 am
  • C-Dub wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:Man, I'd dump BJ Daniels and pick Freeman up in a heart beat now that he's been released.

    What a disaster Tampa Bay is because of Schiano. He's slowly sabotaged that team.

    What's his contract status? If it's a lot, I don't think placing a waver on his would be smart. Doubt he makes it past that.


    He was on last year of rookie deal, 5year/26 mil I think I read, also:

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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:59 am
  • Sucks for Freeman. Schiano is circling the drain. When coached do this desperate shit, they never save their jobs. Remember Dr. Phil up in Minnesota? Desperate trade for Moss, equally desperate dismissal of moss a bit later. Then he was gone. Whe coaches pull this stuff, all they do is cement their status as not gonna head coach again.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:35 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Sucks for Freeman. Schiano is circling the drain. When coached do this desperate shit, they never save their jobs. Remember Dr. Phil up in Minnesota? Desperate trade for Moss, equally desperate dismissal of moss a bit later. Then he was gone. Whe coaches pull this stuff, all they do is cement their status as not gonna head coach again.

    Anyone busting their butt for the team to see a mate get treated like Freeman by their ownership/coach is going to really question what their motivation is. Schiano has to go.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:37 pm
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    Scottemojo wrote:Sucks for Freeman. Schiano is circling the drain. When coached do this desperate shit, they never save their jobs. Remember Dr. Phil up in Minnesota? Desperate trade for Moss, equally desperate dismissal of moss a bit later. Then he was gone. Whe coaches pull this stuff, all they do is cement their status as not gonna head coach again.

    Anyone busting their butt for the team to see a mate get treated like Freeman by their ownership/coach is going to really question what their motivation is. Schiano has to go.


    I agree. There's no repairing the damage on his rep for Schiano in the locker room. I don't know any player that would back up a coach acting out like that against a fellow teammate
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:43 pm
  • aawolf wrote:Dang, Bucs. You couldn't have gotten at least a 3rd round pick for a starting NFL QB? What a joke.


    It is not that easy.

    If you trade for him now you alienate your current QB. Then Freeman comes in with just this season left of the contract and plays lights out now you have to figure out how to pay him big bucks for a long contract based on 10 games...... not a great situation to be in. If you don't pay him / he doesn't pan out then you just pissed off the other qb so maybe you have to try to draft one (which next draft is a pretty decent qb year).

    So I get why nobody traded for him. If you can pick him off the waiver wire / after it goes through then you can do so and put him on the bench / give him a fair shot.

    Minnesota & Jacksonville has nothing to lose - they need a new qb no matter what
    Jets - tough one. If your rookie isn't getting killed then why not let him play it out and get the experience?
    Eagles - fantastic fit but if you think Vick will work then you are taking him as a backup and I don't think that is in Freeman's plans.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:49 pm
  • ^^^ Absolutely agreed.

    Giving up a pick for a guy who is going to be cut anyway while also paying the rest of a 6.2 million dollar salary for a guy who is a FA next year and won't be able to start for you any time soon anyway (he's a QB, and has has to learn a whole new offense) just doesn't make any sense.

    And I think you hit on the big one: what happens if he comes in and has a magical stretch of games for you that you know he won't be able to repeat a la Flacco last year?

    Much easier to save yourself all that hassle, just wait for him to be cut and clear waivers, and negotiate from there.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:52 pm
  • Scotte opined about Reid in KC as a potential fit, and I agree. At some point Bowe needs to get McGrath's balls, don't ya think? I respect Alex Smith, and dude wins, but he's got to grind dudes like Reids patience, eventually.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:01 pm
  • pehawk wrote:Scotte opined about Reid in KC as a potential fit, and I agree. At some point Bowe needs to get McGrath's balls, don't ya think? I respect Alex Smith, and dude wins, but he's got to grind dudes like Reids patience, eventually.


    Part of it is I kind of see Freeman as a McNabb double. Mobile, some innacuracy, not a real x and o guy...And Reid likes to turn his QBs into draft picks, and KC is first in the Waiver line.

    If this happens, Flynn and Freeman could start a club. The Effer's club? The Effed over club? I'll work on it.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:01 pm
  • If I were Alex Smith and KC signed Josh for a starting position, I'd quit the NFL. It's be too much for me to have been messed around my whole career.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:04 pm
  • If the niners were smart, they would pick him up. If they do, he'll be their starter next year.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:12 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:If the niners were smart, they would pick him up. If they do, he'll be their starter next year.


    If the Niners were dumb, they'd pick him up. As much as we like to hate on Kaep, its only his 2nd year (1st full) starting. Picking up Freeman would do nothing for Kaep's confidence
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:42 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Whe coaches pull this stuff, all they do is cement their status as not gonna head coach again.


    This. Nothing screams weasel like a coach of a bad team trying to make scapegoats out of his players. And weasels cannot lead.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:00 pm
  • pehawk wrote:Scotte opined about Reid in KC as a potential fit, and I agree. At some point Bowe needs to get McGrath's balls, don't ya think? I respect Alex Smith, and dude wins, but he's got to grind dudes like Reids patience, eventually.


    The comparison of Freeman to McNabb is well taken, but the WCO is sort of built on accurate underneath throws and the short passing game. In that sense, Reid and Smith are sort of a perfect fit for each other, not unlike Hass/Holmgren in Seattle. Reid knew who Smith was when gave up two high draft picks for him.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:01 pm
  • I disagree, Seven. Reid loves him some longball. Loves, loves, loves longball.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:42 pm
  • Packers running backs coach Alex Van Pelt was Freeman’s position coach in Tampa Bay in 2010 and 2011, and said “No doubt” when asked whether Freeman could still be an NFL starter.

    “I loved Josh,” Van Pelt said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com. “Josh and I had a good working relationship. He was nothing but a pro when I was there with him. He was never late for meetings. We actually had 6:30 [a.m.] quarterback meetings; we were an hour before anybody else, and I never had an issue or anything like that. He did everything that I asked him to do.

    “He was a great teammate, watched him work around the other guys and had a lot of respect for him. I don’t know what happened, but I know the guy that I was there with I really enjoyed being with.”


    I'm inclined to believe this guy over the current Bucs regime.

    I'm pulling for Freeman now.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:48 pm
  • Shiano has managed to just throw away two players who where pretty good before he showed up. Freeman was obviously good the year before he came, and Blount had 1000yds before being coached by Shiano, and he's done pretty good the last few weeks in New England. I can't believe TB has held onto him this long, he is easily the worst coach in the NFL.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:23 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Man, I'd dump BJ Daniels and pick Freeman up in a heart beat now that he's been released.

    What a disaster Tampa Bay is because of Schiano. He's slowly sabotaged that team.


    Don't forget Tynes and the MRSA thing...management over there is just as bad. The whole organization is a dumpster fire right now.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:34 pm
  • They were talking about this on NFLN and they said the gm had called all other 31 teams and there was absolutely zero interest in Freeman, for anything at all. The dude went downhill fast both play wise and personally. Nobody wants anything to do with him.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:39 pm
  • Or 31 teams could see the forest from the trees and said "they're gonna release him we'll just wait it out"
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:01 pm
  • Schiano should not be in the NFL. It's painfully obvious he is in way over his head and is trying his best to deflect his teams shortcomings in any direction but his. Accountability is huge when building a franchise, just look at how Seattle has built this team.

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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:42 pm
  • What's everyone think?


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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:43 pm
  • That'd work.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:52 pm
  • Not a good move IMO, but its hard to find stability (which I think he needs) at this point
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:00 pm
  • Raiders have a solid GM and a REALLY GOOD coach, IMO. I really like Allen. Dude's coaching his ass off down there. For real.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:05 pm
  • pehawk wrote:Raiders have a solid GM and a REALLY GOOD coach, IMO. I really like Allen. Dude's coaching his ass off down there. For real.


    I'll take your word for it, because I havent seen much yet to distinguish themselves from the same Ol raiders. Then again I haven't followed them much this year. I just know my Raiders buddy is not happy with things
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:08 pm
  • pehawk wrote:Raiders have a solid GM and a REALLY GOOD coach, IMO. I really like Allen. Dude's coaching his ass off down there. For real.


    Agreed. That team lacks talent, not leadership or coaching.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:19 pm
  • A starting job may have just opened up in Cleveland, at least temporarily, with the chance to keep it. If I were Freeman, I'd go there before Oakland. Much better team in Cleveland.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:23 pm
  • I kind of like what I've seen from Pryor so if Freeman ends up there that could set them back even more. I think the Raiders should ride out with Pryor for a season, why not?

    Cleveland could use Freeman, is Chud strong enough to get the players to play for him? IDK, Schaino is a dick and needs to go ASAP.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:49 pm
  • What a free fall for him. Started off looking so promising, and now cut by the Bucs.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:50 pm
  • I havnt followed the situation too closely I admit, but from what I've seem doesn't seem like many of Freeman's teammates are sticking up for him. That says a lot, imo. I wouldn't touch him. Maybe if he was some position other then QB, but not when he's supposed to be the leader of your team and face of your franchise.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:24 pm
  • Why not Jacksonville?
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:29 pm
  • Sometimes a change of scenery can do wonders for a guy. Look no further than Marshawn for an example of that.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:45 pm
  • Has he cleared waivers? If a player is picked up on waivers, the buying team assumes his previous contract correct? That pretty much eliminates Seattle from consideration. If he clears waivers and is dirt cheap, it could be a different story. I really doubt he would though. Cleveland could use a guy like Freeman, as could Buffalo and a few other teams.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:53 pm
  • No Kip, the Bucs will be responsible for the money above and beyond the standard contract cost for his tenure in the league. It is a steal for whomever takes him, the Bucs would literally rather piss cash than keep the guy.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:00 am
  • pehawk wrote:I disagree, Seven. Reid loves him some longball. Loves, loves, loves longball.


    I'm with Seven on this. Reid tried to trade for Smith a couple times, reportedly. He might love the long ball, but he loves dink and dunk QBs with high ball security even more. See Kolb, Kevin.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:04 am
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    pehawk wrote:I disagree, Seven. Reid loves him some longball. Loves, loves, loves longball.


    I'm with Seven on this. Reid tried to trade for Smith a couple times, reportedly. He might love the long ball, but he loves dink and dunk QBs with high ball security even more. See Kolb, Kevin.


    In theory, yes. But, much like the run game, Reid can get impatient as a playcaller. When he gets impatient its "chuck" it time. Also, Reid just makes chicken salad out of anything you give him QB wise. He picks up QB's, they flourish because of his design, and then trades them.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:15 am
  • Reid is fat
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 pm
  • CallMeADawg wrote:No Kip, the Bucs will be responsible for the money above and beyond the standard contract cost for his tenure in the league. It is a steal for whomever takes him, the Bucs would literally rather piss cash than keep the guy.


    Thanks, I wasn't sure on that. In baseball, the waiver claiming team picks up the contract. But baseball has their balls firmly in the grip of the player's union.
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:26 pm
  • Funny if Bucs waited ONE day then ether Buffalo or Cleveland might have traded...
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:30 pm
  • I still don't think Cleveland makes a move. They went with Weeden before, and I still believe in Campbell (I know I'm alone in that one).
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:14 am
  • kearly wrote:
    CallMeADawg wrote:No Kip, the Bucs will be responsible for the money above and beyond the standard contract cost for his tenure in the league. It is a steal for whomever takes him, the Bucs would literally rather piss cash than keep the guy.


    Thanks, I wasn't sure on that. In baseball, the waiver claiming team picks up the contract. But baseball has their balls firmly in the grip of the player's union.


    Did something change in the last 3 years onm that?

    IIRC, when we dumped Hoschmandouschzah, He made it through waivers almost specifically because anyone claiming him off waivers would be claiming his contract as well, but once he was clear, any team picking him up was responsible only for the veteran minimum part of his contract, and Seattle had to pay the remaining salary above that.

    Where ids Hawkstorian or some cap-wise poster to clear that up?
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Re: Josh Freeman released
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:29 pm
  • Dismas wrote:
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    CallMeADawg wrote: Hoschmandouschzah?


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Re: Josh Freeman released
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:55 pm
  • Dismas wrote:
    kearly wrote:
    CallMeADawg wrote:No Kip, the Bucs will be responsible for the money above and beyond the standard contract cost for his tenure in the league. It is a steal for whomever takes him, the Bucs would literally rather piss cash than keep the guy.


    Thanks, I wasn't sure on that. In baseball, the waiver claiming team picks up the contract. But baseball has their balls firmly in the grip of the player's union.


    Did something change in the last 3 years onm that?

    IIRC, when we dumped Hoschmandouschzah, He made it through waivers almost specifically because anyone claiming him off waivers would be claiming his contract as well, but once he was clear, any team picking him up was responsible only for the veteran minimum part of his contract, and Seattle had to pay the remaining salary above that.

    Where ids Hawkstorian or some cap-wise poster to clear that up?


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