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 Post subject: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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I would love to see the Hawks make a deal for this guy. He's 6'3" 225 lbs with speed and nice run after catch. He would be a great replacement for Rice next year. Big body with a reasonable contract.

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Tbh I care more about the miners not getting him than the hawks getting him


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Tbh I care more about the miners not getting him than the hawks getting him



So you want to grab this guy so the ninnirs can grab Rice?

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with kearse and williams waiting in the wings, we don't need any more recievers IMO... we need linemen on both sides of the ball...

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99 yards already in the first quarter, lol. Yeah, the Browns would be idiots to trade this guy, but if they do the price will be high. Probably a 2nd rounder minimum.

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I know he has off field troubles, but I wanted this guy in the supplemental draft. Though we'd have had to have given up a 1st to beat the Browns 2nd round tender, which I thought was too high at the time - I've since changed my mind.
He's one of the biggest deep threats in the league. 805 yards his rookie season, over 100 already in his first game.


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He is one strike away from a one year suspension. How much would you offer to take a risk like that?


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We already spend too much money on our receiving corps. I suspect we may find either Zach Miller or Sidney Rice gone after this season, which would hurt. Maybe we can keep both if they both agree to restructure/take cuts.

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Sounds too risky honestly. I feel the same way about Aldon Smith and Von Miller. Amazing talents but you roll the dice and get snake eyes.


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SF will probably offer the browns a lot for him. They're desperate at WR.

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I think we are very solid with our current group..even excluding Rice (but including Harvin). Let's do hope the 9ers instigate some bidding war for him. Foot. Shoot. The Niners are not a threat to the Hawks. The more they spend trying to match us, the worse off they will ultimately be. Carroll came in and shook the roster up at a rate (perhaps) never witnessed before in professional football. SF will need to do the same. Should they do so, we can start worrying about them again in 2018. If they don't? We will be seeing more of what we are seeing today.


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I think our entire team is solid all around. Only place I want to invest big money on is the OLine and possibly LB.

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I think our entire team is solid all around. Only place I want to invest big money on is the OLine and possibly LB.


Damn...in all the excitement, I just remembered we get that Irvin guy back week after next...LMAO!


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So you want to grab this guy so the ninnirs can grab Rice?

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Rice has been in the league for seven years and had one good season five years ago. TBH I don't think there's anyone save for a few Hawks fans who love their team who actually thinks Rice is a meaningful addition.

The 9ers were in play for Harvin before the Hawks outspent them, and that was before Crabtree's injury, so I think there's an outside chance they could be in play for Gordon. TBH though, I think the Aldon situation comes into play here, and they might be pretty gun shy right now about bringing in a guy with suspension history. If I were a Hawk's fan, I wouldn't worry about the 9ers bringing Gordon in.*

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I'd rather Seattle drafted someone with the same measurables but who doesn't have the same baggage. I know our team has been OK with that in the past, but there's got to be a limit.

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While he is an excellent player, his value is in the gutter due to the substance abuse stuff. Can't imagine they would get more than a 5th round pick, and at that point, why move one of the best players you have? Browns be cray.


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Harvin for Gordon!


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I think our entire team is solid all around. Only place I want to invest big money on is the OLine and possibly LB.



Browns are something silly. I would welcome the guy to the Hawks, for a mid round pick

THe O'line needs help though! With the cap, there isn't big money to go around with some key players deserving raises. Breno's contract is up after this year and the guards could use some upgrading.

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Yeah...I'm gonna have to say pass on this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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Surprised by the opinions here after that huge game he had, albeit against the Vikings crap CBs (he's a match up problem against most corners though). It will be interesting to revisit this thread at the end of the year. I say he is a young T.O. in terms of pure talent and the off field stuff is overblown. We'll see.

Also, Gordon would not affect our cap much since we would only be dinged on his base salary which is about 1M a year. He wouldn't even be eligible for free agency until 2016. Meanwhile, Rice is scheduled to make 8.5M next year :shock:

I doubt Gordon gets traded now, anyway. If the Browns do trade him they'll demand a 2nd rounder minimum. If I were Baalke/Harbaugh I would be on the phone with Lombardi immediately. They have plenty of picks to deal and are desperate to help Kaep.

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Josh Gordon? No way. There's enough buried talent at the WR position. Once Rice is released next year, Chop Chop/Williams can step up.

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I would trade for Gordon in a heartbeat. He's got two cheap years left after this season, he's got #1 WR talent and has some production on a miserable offense. You'd probably have to punt Stephen Williams to make it happen, but so what? Seattle is pretty likely to lose Rice and/or Tate next offseason, it's possible that Baldwin could get traded as well (RFA).

He's one strike away from a 1 year suspension, but that seems like a good motivating factor to stay out of trouble, no? Pete's guys have been in the news for PEDs, but much less so for off the field infractions.

I was a big fan of Gordon in college, and I'm not surprised by his success. If we got him, he could easily be our top WR within a year or two.

This situation reminds me of Marshawn Lynch a few years ago. A young, blue chip talent available because of off-the-field concerns who turned into a bargain buy. If I was NE or SF, I'd call Lombardi and force him to trade Gordon or hang up on me.

Seattle is not done drafting WRs. If they lose Rice and Tate and even Baldwin next offseason, then they'll suddenly be in a position of need. Seattle needs to get cheaper at WR. The way to do that is by drafting them, WR is one of the most bust-prone positions in the draft and even the good ones take time to acclimate. Gordon has already proven he's a very good WR and could be fully acclimated by next season. I'm not saying this trade SHOULD happen, but I think it makes a ton more sense than the Harvin deal. If JS got Gordon for a 2nd rounder (a pick that will probably be in the late 50s or early 60s), I'd consider it a win, because the odds are pretty good Seattle will spend a high pick on WR next year anyway to get cheaper at the position.


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I would love for this trade to happen for us. At his current salary, it's worth taking the risk against him getting suspended for a year. He would be a cheap upgrade over Sidney Rice, too.

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I am happy with our team the way it is.


Now this, I don't agree with.

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It'd be a waste IMO and certainly not worth the draft capital the Browns would want in exchange for him. I think he's a very promising player and the Browns would be fools to trade him, but he'd be "just a guy" on this team. The fact is, we don't throw it very much, and I'm almost convinced we never will with Pete's run-first philosophy and Russell's obsession with avoiding turnovers. Russell will almost always scramble before making a 50/50 throw. We'll be at or near the bottom of the league in attempts for a long time, which I don't mind at all. However, that means a guy like Gordon, who would get 3-5 targets a game here, really isn't going to help us as much as he would help other teams.

FYI, Gordon had nearly double the targets Rice had last year and finished with roughly the same yardage.


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Well if you aren't happy with the team, you can jump to the 9ers, they have a lot more room this week for newbies.

You think Sids catch Sunday was anything but spectacular that this dude could do better?

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Largent, I'm very happy with our team; but you have to always be looking for ways to improve. Always.

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Really?....So you think we are ok on the O-Line?

And that we need a receiver more than a good tackle?

Breno is hurt and Okung is out. We have rookie backups.

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And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.


2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.

Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.


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And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.


2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.

Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.


Again, he got twice as many targets as Rice and barely surpassed him in overall yards. Gordon's catch rate according to Football Outsiders last year was 53%. Rice's was 62%; Tate was at 69%. We traded a #1 for Harvin because he's a dynamic and unique player in this league. He has value as a receiver, runner and returner. I think Gordon is a good player, but he's not a unique one.

2012 FO Adjusted WR rankings: Rice #14, Tate #19, Gordon #51.


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To any team I think Gordon's worth at least a 2nd round pick and if it took that to get him I'd make the move. As mentioned above, this team is spending a good amount of money on its receivers, now, to the point where it's digging into other players contract to afford both Rice and Harvin, let alone re-sign Tate. A trade of a 2nd rd pick now for #1 receiver upside is a smart forward-thinking draft move, imo, if you believe that either Rice or Tate won't be here next year. I'd be surprised, though, if another more needy team doesn't cough up more than the Hawks do (If the Browns even trade him.)

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And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.


2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.

Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.


Again, he got twice as many targets as Rice and barely surpassed him in overall yards. Gordon's catch rate according to Football Outsiders last year was 53%. Rice's was 62%; Tate was at 69%. We traded a #1 for Harvin because he's a dynamic and unique player in this league. He has value as a receiver, runner and returner. I think Gordon is a good player, but he's not a unique one.

2012 FO Adjusted WR rankings: Rice #14, Tate #19, Gordon #51.


Wasn't Fitzgerald like 100th on that list?

If Gordon was in the hawks, he would also be up there in efficiency/ranking. It's how the team plays.


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Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.


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Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.


We have an open spot now, and kearse has an ankle injury. Also, lbh, Stephen Williams is not a big deal.

There is no way Gordon is worth a second round pick.


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Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.


We have an open spot now, and kearse has an ankle injury. Also, lbh, Stephen Williams is not a big deal.

There is no way Gordon is worth a second round pick.


That open spot is going to be filled by Bruce Irvin next week and Kearse isn't going on IR. Not saying Williams is a world-beater, but if the Niners claimed him off waivers, he'd immediately be their second best receiver at minimum.

I think Cleveland will want at least a second for Gordon. He's a second year player who was taken in the second round and outperformed his draft position. Character is the only thing that might devalue him a bit.


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Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.


We have an open spot now, and kearse has an ankle injury. Also, lbh, Stephen Williams is not a big deal.

There is no way Gordon is worth a second round pick.


That open spot is going to be filled by Bruce Irvin next week and Kearse isn't going on IR. Not saying Williams is a world-beater, but if the Niners claimed him off waivers, he'd immediately be their second best receiver at minimum.

I think Cleveland will want at least a second for Gordon. He's a second year player who was taken in the second round and outperformed his draft position. Character is the only thing that might devalue him a bit.


Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option? Good. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest, he is not very good receiver.

Their GM would do very well to get a second. You are downplaying the fact that he has one strike left and he is out for an entire season. In addition, they are trying to dump him, pretty rare you get face value back for vet players. They got way below on the Richardson trade.


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Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.


Point taken, but if we're only keeping 5 now, there's a chance Williams will be released anyway to make room for Harvin when he returns so it more like we're just losing him for the next 6 games (Or whoever else at another position). Considering his playing time now, it isn't as much of a lose in addition to the draft pick.

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Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option? Good. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest, he is not very good receiver.

Their GM would do very well to get a second. You are downplaying the fact that he has one strike left and he is out for an entire season. In addition, they are trying to dump him, pretty rare you get face value back for vet players. They got way below on the Richardson trade.


I don't care who the Niners pick up. It's merely a demonstration that just because he's #5 or #6 on our depth chart, doesn't mean he's a worthless player. I think he's an NFL caliber WR, but you're free to disagree.

What do you base your idea that he's not a good WR on? He's been targeted twice this season. Drew a PI on one play and arguably dropped a 40-50 yard bomb that was difficult to catch on the other. He lit it up in the preseason (which I know doesn't mean much but it's all we're going on now).

Cleveland used a 1st on Richardson and got a 1st in return. Yes, it's unlikely to be as high as a third overall pick, but Richardson has also underperformed his draft position. Not true of Gordon.


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Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option? Good. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest, he is not very good receiver.

Their GM would do very well to get a second. You are downplaying the fact that he has one strike left and he is out for an entire season. In addition, they are trying to dump him, pretty rare you get face value back for vet players. They got way below on the Richardson trade.


I don't care who the Niners pick up. It's merely a demonstration that just because he's #5 or #6 on our depth chart, doesn't mean he's a worthless player. I think he's an NFL caliber WR, but you're free to disagree.

What do you base your idea that he's not a good WR on? He's been targeted twice this season. Drew a PI on one play and arguably dropped a 40-50 yard bomb that was difficult to catch on the other. He lit it up in the preseason (which I know doesn't mean much but it's all we're going on now).

Cleveland used a 1st on Richardson and got a 1st in return. Yes, it's unlikely to be as high as a third overall pick, but Richardson has also underperformed his draft position. Not true of Gordon.


Williams has never been a starter, or anything close to it. Always talked about in camp/preseason, but nothing in regular season. He doesn't play teams, and dude is now 27. He has done nothing that makes himself stand out as even a good nfl receiver. He drew a PI and dropped a pass? *golf clap*

I don't buy the 2nd rounder at all. Guess we will have to see.


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Really?....So you think we are ok on the O-Line?

And that we need a receiver more than a good tackle?

Breno is hurt and Okung is out. We have rookie backups.

Was hoping to see a Roland response.

In lieu of that, I would just like to ask the usual... What sweet OL are available? Not that I know anything about them, other than their apparent rarity.

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I would love the idea of having Gordon, he's big, fast and all the other explatives that you all have mentioned, but as much as I love the idea, I don't think it would work.

We have bigger issues at hand, OL to be specific, and adding another WR, to the corp I'm afraid would send a wrong message to our existing receivers, mainly that they're not good enough. Yeah I believe he would step up our receivers but at the same time it's a backhanded way to say that we need help here, when again, we really need help there. In the back of my mind, I would be afraid that the team concept, will be lost to the "me" mentality, since PC obviously doesn't think our receivers can do the job.


I maybe wrong, but just throwing another angle out


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 Post subject: Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.


2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.

Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.


Again, he got twice as many targets as Rice and barely surpassed him in overall yards. Gordon's catch rate according to Football Outsiders last year was 53%. Rice's was 62%; Tate was at 69%. We traded a #1 for Harvin because he's a dynamic and unique player in this league. He has value as a receiver, runner and returner. I think Gordon is a good player, but he's not a unique one.

2012 FO Adjusted WR rankings: Rice #14, Tate #19, Gordon #51.


I like what you are trying to do here, but you are overlooking something of critical importance. Context. Rookie WRs, even ones who turn out to be very good, usually suck as rookies. Gordon put up some of the best rookie numbers from a WR we've seen in the last few years, while catching passes in one of the NFL's worst offenses, whereas Tate and Rice are polished veterans catching passes from the NFL's 4th ranked QB in passer rating.

I watched Gordon in college and I knew back then that he had #1 WR talent. When Cleveland paid a high 2nd rounder to get him in the suppletmental draft, a lot of people bashed them for it. Not me. Personally, I think they are completely nuts to trade a talent like Gordon for anything less than a 1st. If they'd part with him for a 3rd rounder, on that contract, ANY team should want to be on the buying side of that deal.

Also, as much as I'd love to be wrong, I think one or both of Rice and Tate could be gone next offseason. It's very possible we might end up investing a high pick on a WR next year anyway, and if that's the case, I'd much rather roll with Gordon than potentially than an unproven rookie who probably wouldn't contribute for a couple years. WRs are one of the highest bust-rate positions in the game too, so if you can get a good one from outside the draft, you should always go that route first, which is why PC/JS have been so aggressive pursuing WRs from other teams.


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 Post subject: Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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Go look up Megatron's rookie numbers. They are pretty low.

Josh Gordon is exactly what Pete tried to get with Jackson and Marshall, though their respective clubs ended up wanting too much. Yes he is one strike from suspension. It is a factor, and would dramatically affect compensation, and any contract he signs would have clauses.

Whether anyone likes him or not, he is the player prototype Pete is looking for, and has been looking for.

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Go look up Megatron's rookie numbers. They are pretty low.

Josh Gordon is exactly what Pete tried to get with Jackson and Marshall, though their respective clubs ended up wanting too much. Yes he is one strike from suspension. It is a factor, and would dramatically affect compensation, and any contract he signs would have clauses.

Whether anyone likes him or not, he is the player prototype Pete is looking for, and has been looking for.



Not that I disagree with you, but if this is the case, why didn't the Seahawks put a claim on him in the supp. draft? Yes, he went for a high 2nd, but I don't believe anyone else put a claim in on him.

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 Post subject: Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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Go look up Megatron's rookie numbers. They are pretty low.

Josh Gordon is exactly what Pete tried to get with Jackson and Marshall, though their respective clubs ended up wanting too much. Yes he is one strike from suspension. It is a factor, and would dramatically affect compensation, and any contract he signs would have clauses.

Whether anyone likes him or not, he is the player prototype Pete is looking for, and has been looking for.



Not that I disagree with you, but if this is the case, why didn't the Seahawks put a claim on him in the supp. draft? Yes, he went for a high 2nd, but I don't believe anyone else put a claim in on him.


No one else put in a first round claim on him, but the Browns had the second pick of the second round, and used it on Gordon. Considering his issues, nobody spending a first on him was valid. Only one team passed on him in the second, the Bills. It works more like waiver claims anyway, but I don't know if there is a way to tell what others were willing to spend.

I watched the last Cleveland game, the man is a beast. Think Brandon Marshall/TO. I honestly do not know enough about what got him suspended, but a complete aversion to risk is not a hallmark of this group in Seattle now. How many of Seattle's fans were on board with Marshawn Lynch at first? He had plenty of baggage, that worked out well.

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 Post subject: Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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I'd be on board if a 4th next draft and a 5th the year after with conditions that void the 5th if Gordon gets suspended for a year for a second violation could get it done. Seattle is a team that could weather a year suspension if that happened, the upside is he doesn't get suspended and produces at a pro-bowl level. Pretty risky but hey, maybe paring him with this locker room can keep him in line. Of course with Browner and Irvin recently having trouble I could see us avoiding this situation.

I just can't help thinking about Gordon, Tate, Harvin, Rice, and Baldwin when we go 5 wide. Crap that sounds sick.

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Question I must be in a hole but i admit I do not know much about Gordon. IF and big IF how would he fit in my Niners system. We a desperate for a #1 WR can he be that if he grows up???


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