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Ryan Swope done due to concusions.


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Really a shame...


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Reserve/retired list. Wow.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Swope retired
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Whoever replaced Graves took a couple of interesting risks in that draft. It's too bad because Swope would have been a legit threat out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Swope retired
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Wow. That's crazy. No wonder he fell so far in the draft.

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That sucks, hopefully he got a worth while degree while in school.


At the same time, the 'hawks dodged a bullet...this guy would have given this team fits.

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LOL thank god kearly and the rest of his .net followers don't decide who the hawks draft. Really sad to hear about swope he was a solid prospect. Kearly blew way to much smoke everyone asses for my liking on the kid.


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This will fuel the pay college players or setup some kind of pension for those that can't play in the NFL....


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Swope retired
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Thats a shame, missed out on a big contract (compared to what hes gana be making now). i liked him alot before the draft cuz i pronounced his name swoop. cards cant catch a break can they


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This is why not paying college kids is such BS.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Swope retired
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LOL thank god kearly and the rest of his .net followers don't decide who the hawks draft. Really sad to hear about swope he was a solid prospect. Kearly blew way to much smoke everyone asses for my liking on the kid.

Good Lord this post is bullshit. Do you think Kip (kearly) has access to NFL team medical reports? I'm sure the answer is 'no'. He and Rob (ENGLISHSeahawk), Scott (ScottMojo) and the other draftniks on this site offer their OPINIONS on prospects based mostly on their football abilities and what they see of said abilities. I don't believe I heard or read ANYTHING, ANYWHERE that mentioned Swope had concussion issues at a level that might cause him to quit the game. Guys like you probably discourage our draftniks and in the end could cause them to not bother working on our behalf on the draft any longer. I for one use their knowledge as my pre-draft guide and........now this is important so read carefully...................THEY ARE NO LESS ACCURATE THAN THE "EXPERTS" OUT THERE LIKE KIPER, ETC.

Rather than say he "blew smoke up our asses" why didn't you reasonably ask him if he (or anyone else) knew of the level of problems the young man had with this condition? Why didn't you engage him in a reasonable discourse rather than throw out an accusatory bullshit post. Oh wait, I know the answer.....because the key word in my question is "reasonable".

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This is why not paying college kids is such BS.


They do get paid. They are given scholarships worth tens of thousands of dollars that they don't have to pay for. :)

Dude, seriously, anybody that thinks college players should get paid to play is nuts. A ton of NFL rookies can't even manage their money with the help of their agents, it would be way worse in the college ranks. Give me a break.

Also, @hawksfansinceday1, you might want to edit out that profanity before a mod sees it and gives you a vacation, lol.

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RolandDeschain wrote:
Also, @hawksfansinceday1, you might want to edit out that profanity before a mod sees it and gives you a vacation, lol.

I thought the "s" word was OK? If not, mods please let me know and I will change it.

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Looks pg13 to me...


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Looks pg13 to me...

TY. I feel really strongly about how lousy the OP's post was toward Kip (and by extension, the other people that work so hard on the draft for us) and I wanted to state as much as strongly as allowable on this forum.

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I don't know anymore, I used to get bans (this was a solid 2-3 years ago and earlier, now) for simply saying the word "shit". We need a profanity guide around here. :)

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RolandDeschain wrote:
I don't know anymore, I used to get bans (this was a solid 2-3 years ago and earlier, now) for simply saying the word "shit". We need a profanity guide around here. :)

Naw, they were just pickin' on you man. :D

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RolandDeschain wrote:
I don't know anymore, I used to get bans (this was a solid 2-3 years ago and earlier, now) for simply saying the word "shit". We need a profanity guide around here. :)


When it's to cockeyhawk, it's allowed because it's accurate.

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RolandDeschain wrote:
I don't know anymore, I used to get bans (this was a solid 2-3 years ago and earlier, now) for simply saying the word "shit". We need a profanity guide around here. :)


When it's to cockeyhawk, it's allowed because it's accurate.

Below this line, you will see where I disagree. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Swope retired
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Jahvid Best was one of my absolute favorites from 2010. Best was released by the Lions less than 10 days ago. It looks like he's played his last NFL down too. I don't really feel sorry for Best or the Lions though. Best was a known risk. He had two horrible looking head collisions that caused him to miss quite a bit of time. He also played RB.

I do feel bad for Swope. The guy played the game a lot like Harvin does, all out all the time. In particular he was a nasty "cheap shot" specialist as a blocker- he blocked defensive players the way that Junior Seau tackled players. I suspect that's where Swopes' brain injuries came from. I read recently that some people are genetically predisposed towards concussions, but there isn't a way of knowing for sure until the autopsy. We can only speculate, but I'm guessing Swope was probably one of the predisposed ones. The guy dished out hard hits 1980s style, but there was never a major concussion "moment" during his college career.

The truly sad thing is- the damage is already done. Swope isn't walking away from anything. He's still going to have long term issues. It would have been worse had he played a decade in the NFL, but not by much. The way brain damage works, most of it is sustained early on before holding steady. So he kind of got the worst of both worlds.

As fans, it sucks for people like myself and others like Matt Waldman who thought that Swope could have been a very special NFL player. If he had been born sooner, and not during a time where brain health is the NFL's top issue, he would have gotten to play and probably not been much worse off for it.

As an aside, the brain health battle is impossible for the NFL to win. Just by engaging in it they are inviting future problems. I'm guessing the vast majority of NFL players would fail brain scans. It's good to respect the health of players and take a reasoned approach, true. But it will eventually reach a point where the brain damage critics will feel that the NFL is powerless to stop the problem and demand and end to the sport. Famous author and intellectual Malcolm Gladwell is already starting such a campaign to end college football.

At some point, the NFL just needs to shrug it's shoulders and point out that there are numerous professions with far worse health side effects and mortality rates. But the NFL probably wants to use that tactic as a last resort, because they'd like to avoid the lawsuits those other industries have had to deal with.

So in the mean time, they are doing face saving things like preventing players with concussions from playing at all. Swope's career was destroyed because of it, Best's too (most likely). Maybe I am wrong and it is for the best that both are barred from playing, but if the choice was theirs to make- their livelihoods- their lifelong consequences- they'd be playing.


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I thought he was a talent and wondered why he dropped so far in the draft, it seemed the Cards took a punt late on and it didnt work out. At least it seems he's being sensible about it:

"As a result of concussion I suffered during OTAs, I was advised by doctors that there were serious risks in returning to play football at this point. It has been a lifelong dream to play in the NFL but my long-term health interests outweigh my current goals for football. Because of that, I am electing to retire from the game for now and then reassess my future after this season. In the meantime, I plan to return to Texas A&M to pursue my degree. I want to thank the Arizona Cardinals organization for the opportunity and their support. I wish the team much success this season."


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Dang...and I really wanted him in the draft too. Tough break for him.

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The truly sad thing is- the damage is already done. Swope isn't walking away from anything. He's still going to have long term issues. It would have been worse had he played a decade in the NFL, but not by much. The way brain damage works, most of it is sustained early on before holding steady. So he kind of got the worst of both worlds.
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Yes but rather walk away with the same injuries $20million dollar richer and life insurance from life. The TRULY sad thing is this kid got the injuries while playing for peanuts (I am not going to say for free but definately for peanuts) with no / limited life long benefits......

Interesting thing will be how the NCAA insurance covers this considering conditions created while a college player. Doubt we will ever find out


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