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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:51 pm
  • 60niners wrote:
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    RamzFanz wrote:The number one reason I see the Rams having a great season at this point:

    The new offense is able to make plays consistently in camp against that devastating defense. They aren't taking it easy either. There's been several D vs O heated exchanges and big hits.


    You guys win July! Woot! Congratulations.

    Lol seriously.

    I bookmarked this thread... Definitely going to revisit this one after a few games. We'll see how many Nostradamuses we really have amongst us.

    Oh yea...... I said us alright.


    Let's revisit who we are talking about when I refer to the Rams Defense BEFORE Ogletree:

    Rams vs Niners 2012:

    8 sacks 325 total passing yards by Kappy with 0 TD's. Rams 1-0-1

    Rams vs Hawks 2012:

    8 sacks 3 interceptions 1 TD by Wilson. Rams 1-1-0

    Seems the Rams' new O MAY be the real deal when they are throwing, and FINALLY catching, on the money 50, 60, 70 yard TD passes in tight coverage against that D to 5 different receivers and 2 TE's. No? You disagree? :roll:
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:52 pm
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    RedAlice wrote:It will be beyond fun and I mean "fun" to visit the many and multiple threads re Rams this season. Have at your "us."

    Don't be all scared and hide out on a Hawk board later.

    Oh I'll be here either way. I registered a while ago when my team was below .500 and I had all the optimism in the world so I came here to flex my knowledge.

    Probably the same phenomenon you guys are experiencing right now :P


    Not really. Rams have been through so many bad years recently, that there is no comparison. The bandwagon a*ho%%% probably won't join until this year or so. Any current Rams' fan is a real fan.

    And you get no extra "yay for you" points for joining this board in 2009. I didn't even know there were boards at that time.

    eta: but, nice on being here no matter what. me too. I am so curious to see how this season goes.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:03 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:Let's revisit who we are talking about when I refer to the Rams Defense BEFORE Ogletree:

    Rams vs Niners 2012:

    8 sacks 325 total passing yards by Kappy with 0 TD's. Rams 1-0-1

    Rams vs Hawks 2012:

    8 sacks 3 interceptions 1 TD by Wilson. Rams 1-1-0

    Seems the Rams' new O MAY be the real deal when they are throwing, and FINALLY catching, on the money 50, 60, 70 yard TD passes in tight coverage against that D to 5 different receivers and 2 TE's. No? You disagree? :roll:

    If you're asking whether I agree with your assertion that the Rams are going to finish the season above the 49ers in the NFCW, based on the fact that they're practicing well at camp; then the answer is no. I don't agree with that assertion for one second. There are 32 team's fans that right now that believe their favorite team is going to make a playoff run... And we all know it's just not going to work out that way. Training camp tends to give us tons of hope, and "every team has improved".

    Maybe the Rams will have a better season this year, maybe they won't. Their defense is very good, but their defense wasn't the issue last year. Until proven otherwise, I am convinced that the reason the 49ers could not best the Rams last year was because they were out-coached. Clearly the beans were spilled when Dahl admitted that the defense had tells from the right guard on what types of plays were coming. So the Rams knew what plays were coming and they still could only manage a tie, and then BARELY eek out a win with scant amounts of time left in overtime. Great on the Rams coaching staff; terrible on the Niners coaching staff. I don't believe that the Rams are talented enough to win the division just yet - my assertion based on proven talent. This coming season might very well prove that, but as of this writing, nothing is proven yet.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:27 pm
  • 60niners wrote:If you're asking whether I agree with your assertion that the Rams are going to finish the season above the 49ers in the NFCW, based on the fact that they're practicing well at camp; then the answer is no. I don't agree with that assertion for one second. There are 32 team's fans that right now that believe their favorite team is going to make a playoff run... And we all know it's just not going to work out that way. Training camp tends to give us tons of hope, and "every team has improved".

    Maybe the Rams will have a better season this year, maybe they won't. Their defense is very good, but their defense wasn't the issue last year. Until proven otherwise, I am convinced that the reason the 49ers could not best the Rams last year was because they were out-coached. Clearly the beans were spilled when Dahl admitted that the defense had tells from the right guard on what types of plays were coming. So the Rams knew what plays were coming and they still could only manage a tie, and then BARELY eek out a win with scant amounts of time left in overtime. Great on the Rams coaching staff; terrible on the Niners coaching staff. I don't believe that the Rams are talented enough to win the division just yet - my assertion based on proven talent. This coming season might very well prove that, but as of this writing, nothing is proven yet.


    Nothing is ever proven when looking forward. My point was simple, I love that the Rams O is playing just as well as its D when this would NOT be expected. What else do I have to judge by?

    Here's what is proven looking back: The Niners couldn't beat the Rams last season when the Rams' offense was horrible. Not even in candlestick park.

    Here's what is unproven looking forward, but is my opinion: The Niners are looking very thin at WR. The Rams have a depth of talent on O that they haven't fielded for probably 10 years. The Rams added an OLB in Ogletree that may just make 8 sacks look low and be the key to sweeping the Niners this season.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:43 pm
  • This should be moved to the NFL forum. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the mods in this board. Not even the 49ers board I frequent has to deal with this crap. Guess we can tell who the most feared team in the NFCW is (I'm not talking about the 49ers or Seahawks or Cardinals).
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:44 am
  • SoHo9erFan wrote:This should be moved to the NFL forum. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the mods in this board. Not even the 49ers board I frequent has to deal with this crap. Guess we can tell who the most feared team in the NFCW is (I'm not talking about the 49ers or Seahawks or Cardinals).


    The discussion is about why the Rams should be feared by the Seahawks more than the Niners.

    Obviously, the Rams have the better D. Add Ogletree to last seasons D and... omg

    What most people are missing is the Rams are going to present a completely different offense. Fast paced - spread - just like Bradford excelled at in the past. The weapons are many. Maybe the best TE tandem in the league with Cook and Kendricks. Tavon Austin and Givens. Pettis, Bailey, and Quick all looking very good.

    The running game is in question, but not really. The talent and depth is there and so is the coaching. The improved line and passing game should be able to make opportunities for the run pretty common.

    The big difference is the Niners are essentially the same only with less talent and the Rams D is improved and it's a whole new O. IF the O pans out to be even 1 TD per game better than last season, Rams would have swept the NFCW and gone to the playoffs.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:06 am
  • RamzFanz wrote:
    SoHo9erFan wrote:This should be moved to the NFL forum. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the mods in this board. Not even the 49ers board I frequent has to deal with this crap. Guess we can tell who the most feared team in the NFCW is (I'm not talking about the 49ers or Seahawks or Cardinals).


    The discussion is about why the Rams should be feared by the Seahawks more than the Niners.

    Obviously, the Rams have the better D. Add Ogletree to last seasons D and... omg

    What most people are missing is the Rams are going to present a completely different offense. Fast paced - spread - just like Bradford excelled at in the past. The weapons are many. Maybe the best TE tandem in the league with Cook and Kendricks. Tavon Austin and Givens. Pettis, Bailey, and Quick all looking very good.

    The running game is in question, but not really. The talent and depth is there and so is the coaching. The improved line and passing game should be able to make opportunities for the run pretty common.

    The big difference is the Niners are essentially the same only with less talent and the Rams D is improved and it's a whole new O. IF the O pans out to be even 1 TD per game better than last season, Rams would have swept the NFCW and gone to the playoffs.

    Blah, blah, blah. Sure, you guys actually get to field a halfway decent team this season. Doesn't mean you should expect a playoff birth. I am willing to bet you $1,000 dollars they will have a worse record than the 49ers. Swear to god. We can do it over paypal or something. I'm sure we can figure a legitimate way to make this bet worth. If you're so confident you should be willing to do it.

    How did the 49ers lose talent?? I'm not disagreeing, I just want to see how knowledgable you are about other teams outside the Rams. Because, as of right now, every fanbase in the league is behaving like you are. Everyone is ultra confident in TC, but by Week 10 I guarantee you that you won't be as optimistic as you are right now.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:47 am
  • SoHo9erFan wrote:
    RamzFanz wrote:
    SoHo9erFan wrote:This should be moved to the NFL forum. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the mods in this board. Not even the 49ers board I frequent has to deal with this crap. Guess we can tell who the most feared team in the NFCW is (I'm not talking about the 49ers or Seahawks or Cardinals).


    The discussion is about why the Rams should be feared by the Seahawks more than the Niners.

    Obviously, the Rams have the better D. Add Ogletree to last seasons D and... omg

    What most people are missing is the Rams are going to present a completely different offense. Fast paced - spread - just like Bradford excelled at in the past. The weapons are many. Maybe the best TE tandem in the league with Cook and Kendricks. Tavon Austin and Givens. Pettis, Bailey, and Quick all looking very good.

    The running game is in question, but not really. The talent and depth is there and so is the coaching. The improved line and passing game should be able to make opportunities for the run pretty common.

    The big difference is the Niners are essentially the same only with less talent and the Rams D is improved and it's a whole new O. IF the O pans out to be even 1 TD per game better than last season, Rams would have swept the NFCW and gone to the playoffs.

    Blah, blah, blah. Sure, you guys actually get to field a halfway decent team this season. Doesn't mean you should expect a playoff birth. I am willing to bet you $1,000 dollars they will have a worse record than the 49ers. Swear to god. We can do it over paypal or something. I'm sure we can figure a legitimate way to make this bet worth. If you're so confident you should be willing to do it.

    How did the 49ers lose talent?? I'm not disagreeing, I just want to see how knowledgable you are about other teams outside the Rams. Because, as of right now, every fanbase in the league is behaving like you are. Everyone is ultra confident in TC, but by Week 10 I guarantee you that you won't be as optimistic as you are right now.

    You two should make the bet and the proceeds go to the winner's charity of choice.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:51 am
  • 60niners wrote:You two should make the bet and the proceeds go to the winner's charity of choice.

    Sounds good to me. He or she would never accept.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:55 am
  • Obviously, the Rams have the better D. Add Ogletree to last seasons D and... omg


    Than who?

    the Cardinals, because surely you're not referring to the Niners or Seahawks....
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:02 am
  • Proceeds should go to .net since it made the bet possible.

    If it weren't for the schedule I think it's a fair bet but that schedule very well could make the difference.
    I'd probably throw $20 the Rams will sweep the Niners or I'd go $50 the Niners won't sweep the Rams.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:07 pm
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    Obviously, the Rams have the better D. Add Ogletree to last seasons D and... omg


    Than who?

    the Cardinals, because surely you're not referring to the Niners or Seahawks....


    So the Rams beat the Niners and Hawks with their OFFENSE? The Rams OFFENSE outplayed the Hawks and Niners D?
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:22 pm
  • SoHo9erFan wrote:Blah, blah, blah. Sure, you guys actually get to field a halfway decent team this season. Doesn't mean you should expect a playoff birth. I am willing to bet you $1,000 dollars they will have a worse record than the 49ers. Swear to god. We can do it over paypal or something. I'm sure we can figure a legitimate way to make this bet worth. If you're so confident you should be willing to do it.

    How did the 49ers lose talent?? I'm not disagreeing, I just want to see how knowledgable you are about other teams outside the Rams. Because, as of right now, every fanbase in the league is behaving like you are. Everyone is ultra confident in TC, but by Week 10 I guarantee you that you won't be as optimistic as you are right now.


    As if Crabtree wasn't enough? Dude, they are using UDFA QB's as wide receivers they are so desperate right now. Go look.

    OK, I have $50 for seahawks.net if you do for ramsondemand.com.

    The bet I'll offer is this: Rams win more division games than the Niners.

    Bet?
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:35 pm
  • http://youtu.be/T3_UNFZHSQU

    Do you even know who he is? 2,920 yards and 17 TDs in the SEC? (in his senior year, not college career)

    When your finished, consider that Bailey, the "other" Rams rookie WR had 25 TDs and 1,600+ yards in the SEC. (in his senior year, not college career)

    That's over 4.520 combined yards and 42 TDs.

    That's not considering that Givens, Cook, and Kendricks are all proven threats and Pettis and Quick have massive potential this season.

    Give Bradord a few seconds of protection and a serviceable running game and it's gonna be fireworks.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:48 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:http://youtu.be/T3_UNFZHSQU

    Do you even know who he is? 2,920 yards and 17 TDs in the SEC? (in his senior year, not college career)

    When your finished, consider that Bailey, the "other" Rams rookie WR had 25 TDs and 1,600+ yards in the SEC. (in his senior year, not college career)

    That's over 4.520 combined yards and 42 TDs.

    That's not considering that Givens, Cook, and Kendricks are all proven threats and Pettis and Quick have massive potential this season.


    I dont know those players, have they played a down in the NFL yet?
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:51 pm
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    I dont know those players, have they played a down in the NFL yet?


    Yes, in training camp, and they are lighting it up. They aren't mincing words, everyone agrees, they're the real deal and against an impressive pass D.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:58 pm
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    I dont know those players, have they played a down in the NFL yet?


    ESPN just downgraded Niners and Hawks' WR's to 4th and 3rd in the NHC-W respectively. At least someone's paying attention.

    "Williamson: I don't feel confident about it because there are giant unknowns. Brian Quick is one of them. They are so young. You hear all these great things about Austin Pettis, but he hasn't played much. Tavon Austin is an unknown. Stedman Bailey is an unknown. I like what's there. I don't think any of them are going to have Larry-like numbers. It'll be week to week. But if I had to take all the Rams' wideouts or all the Seahawks' wideouts without Harvin, I would take the Rams. There is a lot of talent there."

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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:00 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    I dont know those players, have they played a down in the NFL yet?


    Yes, in training camp, and they are lighting it up. They aren't mincing words, everyone agrees, they're the real deal and against an impressive pass D.


    They have had one week of padded practice, and you are ready to crown 'em? Every team has camp heroes, it rarely translates to kicking butt in the season. Heck, doesnt even guarantee a roster spot on most squads. Games are what matter. They have played 0 games.

    At least wait until preseason to start talking crazy. Its a bit premature right now.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:01 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:http://youtu.be/T3_UNFZHSQU

    Do you even know who he is? 2,920 yards and 17 TDs in the SEC? (in his senior year, not college career)

    When your finished, consider that Bailey, the "other" Rams rookie WR had 25 TDs and 1,600+ yards in the SEC. (in his senior year, not college career)

    That's over 4.520 combined yards and 42 TDs.

    That's not considering that Givens, Cook, and Kendricks are all proven threats and Pettis and Quick have massive potential this season.

    Give Bradord a few seconds of protection and a serviceable running game and it's gonna be fireworks.


    Perhaps you meant the Big East instead of the SEC? There's a rather large dropoff.

    Have the Rams never picked up a rookie first round WR that didn't live up to expectations or something? Good luck hoping they both break NFL single season receiving yardage records and TD records simultaneously, based solely upon their Big East numbers and fan wishes.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:03 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    RamzFanz wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    I dont know those players, have they played a down in the NFL yet?


    Yes, in training camp, and they are lighting it up. They aren't mincing words, everyone agrees, they're the real deal and against an impressive pass D.


    They have had one week of padded practice, and you are ready to crown 'em? Every team has camp heroes, it rarely translates to kicking butt in the season. Heck, doesnt even guarantee a roster spot on most squads. Games are what matter. They have played 0 games.

    At least wait until preseason to start talking crazy. Its a bit premature right now.


    "Williamson: I don't feel confident about it because there are giant unknowns. Brian Quick is one of them. They are so young. You hear all these great things about Austin Pettis, but he hasn't played much. Tavon Austin is an unknown. Stedman Bailey is an unknown. I like what's there. I don't think any of them are going to have Larry-like numbers. It'll be week to week. But if I had to take all the Rams' wideouts or all the Seahawks' wideouts without Harvin, I would take the Rams. There is a lot of talent there."

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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:08 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:"Williamson: I don't feel confident about it because there are giant unknowns. Brian Quick is one of them. They are so young. You hear all these great things about Austin Pettis, but he hasn't played much. Tavon Austin is an unknown. Stedman Bailey is an unknown. I like what's there. I don't think any of them are going to have Larry-like numbers. It'll be week to week. But if I had to take all the Rams' wideouts or all the Seahawks' wideouts without Harvin, I would take the Rams. There is a lot of talent there."

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... r-injuries


    That reasoning is flat out awful. Why you would quote it, I have no idea. So williamson is ranking them second, solely based on the fact that "there is a lot of talent" there? 1, that is incredibly subjective (and based on what evidence?). 2, he even says they are almost completely comprised of unknowns. Everyone said great things about the guys you drafted last year, and they crapped the bed, and will continue to crap in it. Austin and Bailey need to play in the NFL, and prove they can do anything. Just a silly analysis IMO.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:15 pm
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    Perhaps you meant the Big East instead of the SEC? There's a rather large dropoff.

    Have the Rams never picked up a rookie first round WR that didn't live up to expectations or something? Good luck hoping they both break NFL single season receiving yardage records and TD records simultaneously, based solely upon their Big East numbers and fan wishes.


    Big 12. Sorry. I meant Big 12.

    All TA needs to do is return well and contribute at WR. That, with Givens, Cook, Kendricks, will far outproduce last season. The rest is frosting on the cake.
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:22 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    That reasoning is flat out awful. Why you would quote it, I have no idea. So williamson is ranking them second, solely based on the fact that "there is a lot of talent" there? 1, that is incredibly subjective (and based on what evidence?). 2, he even says they are almost completely comprised of unknowns. Everyone said great things about the guys you drafted last year, and they crapped the bed, and will continue to crap in it. Austin and Bailey need to play in the NFL, and prove they can do anything. Just a silly analysis IMO.


    You reach a point where the talent is so sweet and so deep at a position it is reasonable to assume enough will produce based upon their history.

    I'm a skeptic. I was NOT raving about the prospects last season.

    Not this season. It's too deep to ignore. The guys you say thet "crapped the bed" because they are taking time to develop? Do you know anything about WRs in the NFL? Givens rocked with a rookie record 5 consecutive games with a 50+ yard catch and Quick and Pettis are looking like it's break out time.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:22 pm
  • 60niners wrote:You two should make the bet and the proceeds go to the winner's charity of choice.


    I notice you weren't jumping in.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:30 pm
  • hawk45 wrote:The secondary is the unquestionable strength of the defense and Rams and Bradford are going to take it apart?

    Not buying it. 9ers are the number one threat by far.


    I'm not what you asked, either. The strength of the Rams D is their D-Line.

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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:38 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    That reasoning is flat out awful. Why you would quote it, I have no idea. So williamson is ranking them second, solely based on the fact that "there is a lot of talent" there? 1, that is incredibly subjective (and based on what evidence?). 2, he even says they are almost completely comprised of unknowns. Everyone said great things about the guys you drafted last year, and they crapped the bed, and will continue to crap in it. Austin and Bailey need to play in the NFL, and prove they can do anything. Just a silly analysis IMO.


    You reach a point where the talent is so sweet and so deep at a position it is reasonable to assume enough will produce based upon their history.

    I'm a skeptic. I was NOT raving about the prospects last season.

    Not this season. It's too deep to ignore. The guys you say thet "crapped the bed" because they are taking time to develop? Do you know anything about WRs in the NFL? Givens rocked with a rookie record 5 consecutive games with a 50+ yard catch and Quick and Pettis are looking like it's break out time.


    I second this. Man knows what he's talking about.

    Pettis had the best spring which surprised Ram fans. He's coming into his own.

    Don't sleep on Quick! He has the tools and came from a small school. Reports say he is looking a lot more comfortable and is making plays. Here's an example of his progression...

    http://instagram.com/p/ccglDZgr8t/

    He doesn't come close to running the route that well this time last season. He's getting more polished all the time. That's a credit to our coaches.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:41 pm
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    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    That reasoning is flat out awful. Why you would quote it, I have no idea. So williamson is ranking them second, solely based on the fact that "there is a lot of talent" there? 1, that is incredibly subjective (and based on what evidence?). 2, he even says they are almost completely comprised of unknowns. Everyone said great things about the guys you drafted last year, and they crapped the bed, and will continue to crap in it. Austin and Bailey need to play in the NFL, and prove they can do anything. Just a silly analysis IMO.


    You reach a point where the talent is so sweet and so deep at a position it is reasonable to assume enough will produce based upon their history.

    I'm a skeptic. I was NOT raving about the prospects last season.

    Not this season. It's too deep to ignore. The guys you say thet "crapped the bed" because they are taking time to develop? Do you know anything about WRs in the NFL? Givens rocked with a rookie record 5 consecutive games with a 50+ yard catch and Quick and Pettis are looking like it's break out time.


    Talent does not directly = production. No one on that team has proved anything offensively in the NFL, period.

    You are a skeptic? Lol, hope we dont get any of those overly optimistic rams fans around :roll:

    Arent you kind of proving my point by saying WRs take a long time to develop? You are telling me Austin and Bailey are gong to come in day one and take the NFL by storm, and then you say WRs take a while. . . Again "looking like", and actually doing it are totally different. Rams offense = joke until otherwise PROVEN during the regular season. You guys are really running with a few camp write-ups.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:08 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Talent does not directly = production. No one on that team has proved anything offensively in the NFL, period.

    You are a skeptic? Lol, hope we dont get any of those overly optimistic rams fans around :roll:

    Arent you kind of proving my point by saying WRs take a long time to develop? You are telling me Austin and Bailey are gong to come in day one and take the NFL by storm, and then you say WRs take a while. . . Again "looking like", and actually doing it are totally different. Rams offense = joke until otherwise PROVEN during the regular season. You guys are really running with a few camp write-ups.


    You should be reasonable and stop putting words in my mouth.

    No one on the team has proved anything offensively? Not Bradford? Not Givens? Not Cook? Not Kendricks? Not Richardson? Not Wells or Saffold or long?

    Dude, the offense that went undefeated by the Niners, swept the Cards, and Split and almost swept the Hawks, is now WAY more talented. Proven? Some yes, some no. DEEPLY TALENTED? Yep.

    Will TA and Bailey be the next coming of (enter favorite WRs here)? Nope, maybe not the first season or ever. Are they the frosting on an already well baked cake? Yep.

    Consider this:

    The Hawks have trouble with small, fast, elusive receivers. TA is a small, lightning fast, and elusive receiver.
    The Hawks have a very mobile QB who used that to split last season. Now the Rams have Ogletree.
    The Rams had the WORST average field position in the NFL last season. If TA ONLY improves on that, they will win a lot more.

    If the Rams have not yet created an NFL monster, they HAVE created an NFC-W monster.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:16 pm
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    RamzFanz wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    That reasoning is flat out awful. Why you would quote it, I have no idea. So williamson is ranking them second, solely based on the fact that "there is a lot of talent" there? 1, that is incredibly subjective (and based on what evidence?). 2, he even says they are almost completely comprised of unknowns. Everyone said great things about the guys you drafted last year, and they crapped the bed, and will continue to crap in it. Austin and Bailey need to play in the NFL, and prove they can do anything. Just a silly analysis IMO.


    You reach a point where the talent is so sweet and so deep at a position it is reasonable to assume enough will produce based upon their history.

    I'm a skeptic. I was NOT raving about the prospects last season.

    Not this season. It's too deep to ignore. The guys you say thet "crapped the bed" because they are taking time to develop? Do you know anything about WRs in the NFL? Givens rocked with a rookie record 5 consecutive games with a 50+ yard catch and Quick and Pettis are looking like it's break out time.


    Talent does not directly = production. No one on that team has proved anything offensively in the NFL, period.

    You are a skeptic? Lol, hope we dont get any of those overly optimistic rams fans around :roll:

    Arent you kind of proving my point by saying WRs take a long time to develop? You are telling me Austin and Bailey are gong to come in day one and take the NFL by storm, and then you say WRs take a while. . . Again "looking like", and actually doing it are totally different. Rams offense = joke until otherwise PROVEN during the regular season. You guys are really running with a few camp write-ups.


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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:45 pm
  • You really should get off your pushing your rookie talent as a sign of NFC West dominance. lol

    None of us care about Ogletree. When I see him knocking Lynch on his rear and nailing RW in the backfield, I'll take notice of him. Ogletree has proved nothing in the NFL except he can earn glowing reports in scrimmages versus his own team.

    There were reasons the Hawks had trouble with those types of receivers last year. A perpetually hurting Nickel CB in Trufant among them. In case you haven't noticed the Seahawks addressed the very problem you speak of with a nickel CB that has proven a thing or two in the NFL.

    If your planning on winning the 2012 NFC West, you had your chance at it. 2013 is a new year.

    Your offense had little to do with the Seahawks losing in St. Louis last year. Your defense ended the game off an interception when a receiver fell down on his route. Since you know the Hawks had issues with little speedy receivers last year, I think you'd also figure if that receiver didn't fall, Russell Wilson would have at the least been knocking on the door to win that game, as he had a knack for it.

    There are no almost wons in the NFL. You gave us trouble in the Clink, but winning or losing that game wouldn't have even changed our playoff berthing, not exactly a crowning acheivement to have made it close. As flawed thinking there as the 49ers that say you barely didn't lose against them because their kicker was average.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:18 pm
  • I get the feeling that if Jesse Lumsden broke a 10 yard run against the Rams all world defense in training camp these guys would predict him for a 2,000 yard season. Never before have I seen so much arrogance based on practice.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:21 pm
  • Lady Talon wrote:You really should get off your pushing your rookie talent as a sign of NFC West dominance. lol

    None of us care about Ogletree. When I see him knocking Lynch on his rear and nailing RW in the backfield, I'll take notice of him. Ogletree has proved nothing in the NFL except he can earn glowing reports in scrimmages versus his own team.

    There were reasons the Hawks had trouble with those types of receivers last year. A perpetually hurting Nickel CB in Trufant among them. In case you haven't noticed the Seahawks addressed the very problem you speak of with a nickel CB that has proven a thing or two in the NFL.

    If your planning on winning the 2012 NFC West, you had your chance at it. 2013 is a new year.

    Your offense had little to do with the Seahawks losing in St. Louis last year. Your defense ended the game off an interception when a receiver fell down on his route. Since you know the Hawks had issues with little speedy receivers last year, I think you'd also figure if that receiver didn't fall, Russell Wilson would have at the least been knocking on the door to win that game, as he had a knack for it.

    There are no almost wons in the NFL. You gave us trouble in the Clink, but winning or losing that game wouldn't have even changed our playoff berthing, not exactly a crowning acheivement to have made it close. As flawed thinking there as the 49ers that say you barely didn't lose against them because their kicker was average.


    Your logic is not creative and common.

    In a nut shell, for those who are paying attention, game one, the Rams will field a better defense. Will they stay healthy and better? Who knows.

    They will also field an offense you've never seen before. One that fits Bradford's strongest talents and one that is a huge departure from what you've ever seen from the Rams. They have deep talent at all sizes, speeds, and styles. If it's only mediocre it will be better than the team that beat and challenged the Hawks last season.

    Back to the OP who is sending up the insightful flare, you KNOW the Niners are weaker. They should not be more of a worry to the Hawks.

    Now, if you're paying attention, you might just agree that the Rams could be the bigger challenge.

    The Rams are SO FAST on both O and D it really is shocking everyone. Add in a stronger O line and deep potential, and it gets very exciting.

    Just so you get what I'm saying, we KNOW the Hawks will be good. What most don't know is that the Rams potential for being just as good this season or next, is nearly off the charts.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:45 pm
  • I know your potential is there, basing predictions that you have closed the gap on teams that are in the running off rookie LBs containing RW and thats that. As well as rookie WRs that are suddenly going to destroy a top 5 defense because it was weak to speedy little WRs yet took steps to improve that very weakness, is homerism in the first degree. Potential can get you nowhere as well. The lessons of NFL history haven't been suspended because you are excited about your team. lol
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:59 pm
  • Lady Talon wrote:I know your potential is there, basing predictions that you have closed the gap on teams that are in the running off rookie LBs containing RW and thats that. As well as rookie WRs that are suddenly going to destroy a top 5 defense because it was weak to speedy little WRs yet took steps to improve that very weakness, is homerism in the first degree. Potential can get you nowhere as well. The lessons of NFL history haven't been suspended because you are excited about your team. lol


    Chris Long "Guys like myself and James who have been here the whole time have been really lucky to just kind of ride it out through the bad, and now we're on the upswing," Long said. "I really believe that. We have evidence to believe, we have reason to believe."

    That is one of a thousand quotes I could deliver that Rams fans haven't seen in a decade that lead me to believe it's the real deal. I know nothing EXCEPT these guys aren't bluffing. It's not in their character or history.

    Don't pretend that the Rams didn't hand the Hawks their hats WITHOUT Ogletree and this new perfect storm offense, they did. As a losing team they did.

    What I wonder the most about the Hawks as a divisional rival coming to the Edward Jones Dome is will being game 8 mean they benefit from the wear and tear of 7 games or be most harmed because the Rams have half a season to prepare and learn.

    It's obvious I won't convince you that a storms coming, but it is. Maybe not for the Hawks and maybe not for the NFL, but for many teams a storm is coming.

    (and they don't see it)
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:11 pm
  • It's funny. You keep using the term perfect storm offense, and yet you don't have a running back half as good as Lynch or a QB a third as good as Wilson. If you think that Bradford throwing checkdowns is a perfect storm offense, just wait until your tiny little receivers meet a bad end at the hands of Browner, Chancellor, or Thomas. Speed kills, but so does getting trucked by someone 50 pounds bigger than you.

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Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:17 pm
  • You don't have to convince me the Rams could improve drastically, I've said so here to the delight of other Hawk fans.

    However, if your going to assume your team lives in a bubble of improvement because of untested rookies and training camp statements (Really? take a look at our fan forum, and you can find pie in the sky statements from players we trust as well), while everyone else stayed the same, the only place your convincing is a Rams board. You essentially have a 1 year sampling size of playing division rivals well (while bombing against some other teams spectacularly). Enough room for concern. But not until I see your product in a game that matters.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:46 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:It's funny. You keep using the term perfect storm offense, and yet you don't have a running back half as good as Lynch or a QB a third as good as Wilson. If you think that Bradford throwing checkdowns is a perfect storm offense, just wait until your tiny little receivers meet a bad end at the hands of Browner, Chancellor, or Thomas. Speed kills, but so does getting trucked by someone 50 pounds bigger than you.


    What I'm loving most about this off season is I can point out a dozen reasons why the Rams will be far superior to their previous selves, who were STILL competitive in the NFCW, and the opposing fans have nothing to offer.

    If Wilson is more than 3 times better than Bradford and the Hawks D is better than the Rams, how did they beat the Hawks once and almost twice?!?! Wasn't "Mr Elusive" Wilson sacked 8 times and didn't he throw 3 interceptions last season BEFORE the Rams had Ogletree? Didn't Mr 1/3 of Wilson throw more TDs with NO offensive weapons?

    Ah well, we will see on the field soon enough. I'm sorry the Hawks blew 25 Million on a receiver the Rams don't get to play, it could have made it interesting.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:54 pm
  • Lady Talon wrote:You don't have to convince me the Rams could improve drastically, I've said so here to the delight of other Hawk fans.

    However, if your going to assume your team lives in a bubble of improvement because of untested rookies and training camp statements (Really? take a look at our fan forum, and you can find pie in the sky statements from players we trust as well), while everyone else stayed the same, the only place your convincing is a Rams board. You essentially have a 1 year sampling size of playing division rivals well (while bombing against some other teams spectacularly). Enough room for concern. But not until I see your product in a game that matters.


    The last season mattered where the Hawks lost and almost lost twice. Now the Rams are going to field a far superior team to last season and the Hawks won't but the results will be worse for the Rams?

    Seriously, I played fantasy football before anyone had any idea what it was and when you had to declare which newspaper you considered official because no one (other than myself) even had a computer much less internet.

    This Rams potential is massive. Not good, not great, massive. Proven? Nope. Guaranteed? Nope? Potential? HUGE!

    ESPN commentators just said today they would take the Rams WRs over the Hawks even though they are unproven. That was the first time I heard any agreement by the MSM that the Rams have huge upside at WR. Even the numbskulls are seeing it.

    Now let's look at the Hawks and Niners. Have they done anything that is going to work out to a huge advantage? Nope. Hawks are as good and maybe a little better than last season and the Niners are worse.

    Welcome to the world of reason and logic based upon possibilities.

    By the way, in 26 years I've never taken lower than 4th in 13 team fantasy football. I know talent when I see it.

    ...and my profile pic has underboob so your opinion is invalid.
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:00 pm
  • Lol he wants a gold star for being competitive, cute.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:06 pm
  • How did those unbeatable Rams go 3-7 outside the NFC West? Division rivals regularly play each other tough. Maybe Ogletree gets you 4 more wins this year? Maybe he will play so well you can pull out a win versus the Jets?
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Lol he wants a gold star for being competitive, cute.


    Wilson was sacked 8 times by the Rams. Kappy was sacked 8 times by the Rams. Rams knocked Smith out which is why Kappy is even playing today.

    The Rams earned their gold star in the NFCW by owning the NFCW. Now they will earn respect NFL wide. It's so obvious its silly not to see it. They just probably went from strong irritation to see of you can do this.

    I know this will cause your panties to bind, but they may very well sweep the NFCW. You read it here first football fans.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:25 pm
  • Lady Talon wrote:How did those unbeatable Rams go 3-7 outside the NFC West? Division rivals regularly play each other tough. Maybe Ogletree gets you 4 more wins this year? Maybe he will play so well you can pull out a win versus the Jets?


    You're missing the point, aren't you?

    The Rams O and O line SUCKED A$$ last season yet they STILL pulled off the NFCW domination and almost a winning season.

    I'm sure come game 8 you'll all be talking about what I am now, so you might as well focus on game one. By the time the Hawks roll into STL, you won't be so senselessly cocky.

    Hawks have a great team. Lots of wasted $$$ on stupid aquisitions, but they are still sweet. Rams HAD a decent team. Lots of very well spent money and draft choices and now they have the POTENTIAL to compete with the Hawks. The Niners are done.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:28 pm
  • Rams honestly dont scare me until at minimum they replace Bradford. They overachieved last year (especially in the division) and will settle at around 6-10 or 7-9 AFTER making some offseason upgrades. Not sure why people on here think they are even close to the talent of Seattle and San Fran
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:29 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:Lol he wants a gold star for being competitive, cute.


    Wilson was sacked 8 times by the Rams. Kappy was sacked 8 times by the Rams. Rams knocked Smith out which is why Kappy is even playing today.

    The Rams earned their gold star in the NFCW by owning the NFCW. Now they will earn respect NFL wide. It's so obvious its silly not to see it. They just probably went from strong irritation to see of you can do this.

    I know this will cause your panties to bind, but they may very well sweep the NFCW. You read it here first football fans.


    Ram logic. 3rd place is owning the NFC West.

    Your team finished with a losing record and had a -50 point differential (11th worst in the league). You werent that good and its not going to miraculously change based on a few unproven rookies.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:29 pm
  • so, nothing on losing by over two touchdowns to the butt fumbler and his disaster of a team? You have the answers to everything else...
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:38 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:Rams honestly dont scare me until at minimum they replace Bradford. They overachieved last year (especially in the division) and will settle at around 6-10 or 7-9 AFTER making some offseason upgrades. Not sure why people on here think they are even close to the talent of Seattle and San Fran


    It's easy to say that now. Just wait, Bradford is going to give you plenty of reason to be afraid. It won't surprise me if he has a better year than Wilson in our new offense.
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Re: Surprise rival for seahawks...
Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:41 pm
  • RamzFanz wrote:You're missing the point, aren't you?

    The Rams O and O line SUCKED A$$ last season yet they STILL pulled off the NFCW domination and almost a winning season.

    Actually, your O-line was remarkably consistent at an average (slightly above average, even) level. They ranked 14th in run blocking and 13th in pass protection per Football Outsiders. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/OL

    Whatever argument you're preparing to argue against this with, just stop; because whatever flaws DVOA has, it applies to all lines in the league.
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:43 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:Rams honestly dont scare me until at minimum they replace Bradford. They overachieved last year (especially in the division) and will settle at around 6-10 or 7-9 AFTER making some offseason upgrades. Not sure why people on here think they are even close to the talent of Seattle and San Fran


    You hang around on Hawks' forums and have no idea who the Rams are this season, yes? I get it. It's difficult. No bumper sticker logic.

    Here's some bumper sticker for you, Rams suck yet they owned the Hawks last season. Where does that leave you?
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:44 pm
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    Ram logic. 3rd place is owning the NFC West.

    Your team finished with a losing record and had a -50 point differential (11th worst in the league). You werent that good and its not going to miraculously change based on a few unproven rookies.


    ...and no one said it would. Good for you. Baby steps.
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