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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:11 pm
  • I find it kind of amusing that you're trying to explain the concept of camp fodder to fans of the team that had nearly 300 transactions in the first year of the current staff.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:40 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:I find it kind of amusing that you're trying to explain the concept of camp fodder to fans of the team that had nearly 300 transactions in the first year of the current staff.


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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:53 am
  • sc85sis wrote:I find it kind of amusing that you're trying to explain the concept of camp fodder to fans of the team that had nearly 300 transactions in the first year of the current staff.


    I find it amusing too....but I still read stuff like "Charlie Martin is an upgrade for them" over here all the time.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:07 am
  • Marvin49 wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Hook. Line. Sinker.

    Never fails. They even know they are falling in and they just can't help it.


    Yup....it never fails.

    When you state something completely false I will correct you. :D


    So then why did you spend 5 paragraphs avoiding his question?
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:34 am
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Hook. Line. Sinker.

    Never fails. They even know they are falling in and they just can't help it.


    Yup....it never fails.

    When you state something completely false I will correct you. :D


    So then why did you spend 5 paragraphs avoiding his question?


    I didn't avoid anything. I answered the question. His issue was pre-supposeing the media reports were put in place by the team. That's incorrect. The media reports were exactly that...reports from a media hungry to report ANYTHING.

    I don't think peeps understand the scrutity Kaep is under right now in the Bay Area. They are watching his every move in order to make something out of it. Look no further than the stupid hat controversy. We have the Giants imploding, the A's playing great, we had the Warriors play better then they have in decades....yet the #1 story in the Bay Area is Colin Kaepernick. In the offseason.

    I think Kaep has also become leary of the media after that article came out about his tatoos and then that was followed by the media plastering his birth mother all over TV...the one he has no interest in meeting.

    Thats just the way the media works and is a commentary on the media dominance of the 49ers and the NFL in general in this area.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:03 am
  • ^ Well maybe if he didn't do stupid things to put himself in the media then he wouldn't be in the focus so much...... He is not getting any more scrutiny that others in that position he is just doing stupid things. Pouncey brothers wore dumb hats and they get the same media attention if not more........
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:08 am
  • mikeak wrote:^ Well maybe if he didn't do stupid things to put himself in the media then he wouldn't be in the focus so much...... He is not getting any more scrutiny that others in that position he is just doing stupid things. Pouncey brothers wore dumb hats and they get the same media attention if not more........


    Granted it IS the offseason, I seriously doubt the media frenzy would be on the same level if those "stories" came out in October/November.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:18 am
  • While true - remember the Romo vacation trip during the playoffs / before the playoffs? - Got some attention

    Kaepernick doing body shots during the season would get a lot of attention..... it all depends on what they do and when. LBJ got slammed for wearing a hat of the yankees (different freaking sport) so it isn't like the precedent wasn't set before Kaepernick was faced with two choices

    1) Pick a Dolphins hat to match the underwear
    2) Pull up your pants......
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:28 pm
  • Yo Niner fans. Does Ricardo Lockette still refer to himself as "Channel 82" or whatever it is his # is? I remember being really hopeful on Lockette's potential after he first flashed in the preseason. Then I saw his YouTube videos where he looked like the biggest clown delusional hot shot ever. I never looked at him the same after seeing those videos. Don't take this as a direct shot. But I totally see why he and Kaep are best buds. VERY similar personalities.

    PS - I say this as the not so proud owner of a preseason game used Lockette Seahawks jersey. Bought it for a cool $80 at a close out sale of the old Hawks gear when they changed jerseys. It was at the time when Lockette was still considered a potential break out player for the Hawks. Name players game used jerseys were in the hundreds to thousands of dollars. I thought I was being real slick in getting Lockette before he was a big star. Sad to say, I don't exactly cherish the jersey as much as I originally hoped. D'oh.


    EDIT: Found the videos. They are just as bad as I remembered. Keep in mind this is during last offseason. After Lockette finished the prior year playing a couple late season games and had 1 big long td. That was it. And prior to last year's preseason and him getting cut by the Hawks.

    Highlights from the first include Lockette referring to himself as "Pay-per-view", saying "We made it" multiple times, telling some girl named Keisha that she "did him wrong", and then closing by serenading Keisha with a "We made it! We made it!" song. Oh, and in total Kaep fasion, wearing sunglasses indoors the entire time. lol.



    This much longer video, an interview done by Mike Rob, takes a few minutes to watch. But it is full of awesome. It includes highlights such as Robinson bagging on Lockette for only suiting up in 2 games after RL talks about teaching young guys how to get it done, RL answering his cell phone and telling his mom he's "on tv", and the should be world famous quote of "Once you're a lion, you're always a lion. I feel like I'm the king of any jungle that I'm in." And best of all, you can straight up see Michael Robinson roll his eyes at just about everything RL says. He straight up says, "Boy, you stupid," and "Why you talking bout commercials? Not everything is about superstardom." He even corrected Lockette when he referred to himself as "The Rocket", by saying "The Rocket was about 20 years ago. The vet was ready to school the rook. Oh, and the interview ends with Lockette answering a question about how long he's going to play by saying,"I dunno. 8 years? Depends how long it takes me to set the records I plan on setting." Oh my. These videos are so much funnier now that he's a friggin' 49er and not a Hawk. LMAO.



    Sorry Niner fans if you think I'm overly hating. But this guy was a Seahawk when I watched these videos initially! I felt SO embarrassed. And as us fans are prone to do, I had to try to ignore the ridiculousness. It's only right that I now pass on the shame to you guys. :P Hope you cringed as much as I did originally. ;)
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:25 pm
  • I'm 100% with you EJ. I was super high on Lockette due to his potential, but his whole shtick made me grow sick of him, made me not want to root for him, and when he didn't really show a lot of progress in becoming an NFL WR, I was more than happy to see him walk.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:51 am
  • Kap works out more than everyone in that locker room. Which is saying something.


    He might want to take a few minutes on those chicken legs from time to time. Just saying....
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:05 am
  • SoHo9erFan wrote:Kap works out more than everyone in that locker room. Which is saying something. That alone is leadership.


    Lol, this might matter if being an NFL quarterback wasn't 80% mental. The dude likes to work out; and it makes sense, considering all the ego-praise he has gotten over the years for being a great athlete and beautiful physical specimen. I'll take Wilson being in the film room all day every day over being in the weight room every day, and twice on Sunday.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:33 pm
  • so I know you guys have a fascination with Kaep and his turtle, so I thought your resident photoshoppers could have a field day with this photo...

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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:35 am
  • Lockette may not make the team. Oh wait, they have who at WR?
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:04 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:Lockette may not make the team. Oh wait, they have who at WR?

    They'll save a spot for Crabtree.
    They'll keep A.J. Jenkins due to his draft status.
    They'll keep Quinton Patton due to his draft status.
    They'll keep Manningham and wait for him to be healthy.
    They'll keep Kyle Williams.
    Boldin.

    That's 6 right there, 4 of which are clearly better than Lockette (Crabs, Boldin, Manningham, Williams), and two that are recent draft picks.

    Lockette seems to be as dumb as a box of rocks, regardless of his physical gifts. He definitely has an uphill battle if he wants to make and STAY on the roster. While Manningham and Williams are out, he better show something, or he'll be released.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:31 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    SoHo9erFan wrote:Kap works out more than everyone in that locker room. Which is saying something. That alone is leadership.


    Lol, this might matter if being an NFL quarterback wasn't 80% mental. The dude likes to work out; and it makes sense, considering all the ego-praise he has gotten over the years for being a great athlete and beautiful physical specimen. I'll take Wilson being in the film room all day every day over being in the weight room every day, and twice on Sunday.


    How did nobody else pick up on this!? Roland has a crush on Kraperdink. Sorry man, but you put that out there. At least this isn't the shack :th2thumbs:
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:10 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    SoHo9erFan wrote:Kap works out more than everyone in that locker room. Which is saying something. That alone is leadership.


    Lol, this might matter if being an NFL quarterback wasn't 80% mental. The dude likes to work out; and it makes sense, considering all the ego-praise he has gotten over the years for being a great athlete and beautiful physical specimen. I'll take Wilson being in the film room all day every day over being in the weight room every day, and twice on Sunday.


    What if Kaepernick is also in the film room as much or more than anyone else on the team as well? That is, what if you didn't have to choose between a work out warrior and a film warrior because the player is both?
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:49 pm
  • OkieHawk wrote:How did nobody else pick up on this!? Roland has a crush on Kraperdink. Sorry man, but you put that out there. At least this isn't the shack :th2thumbs:

    Tongue in cheek, bro. :)

    5_Golden_Rings wrote:What if Kaepernick is also in the film room as much or more than anyone else on the team as well? That is, what if you didn't have to choose between a work out warrior and a film warrior because the player is both?

    Ok, please show me some articles with 49ers players quotes referencing ridiculous work ethic habits. You know, stuff like these about Wilson, except for Kaepernick:
    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 8dd24c3e23
    http://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/9/2/32 ... work-ethic
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... ell-wilson

    Wilson was texting Percy Harvin before the trade was even finalized, making plans to practice in SoCal, and stuff. Just read those articles, then find some ones like that about Kaepernick, please. If he really does have an equal work ethic to Russell Wilson, I want to know about it.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:26 pm
  • pehawk wrote:Scotte pointed out/suggested awhile ago that all this "Kap's a hard-worker..." noise feels like a political spin. And, I'm convinced he's right.

    The Seahawks dont really talk about Wilson's work and dedication, reporters do. That's not the case in SF...the team and teammates are consistently interjecting Kap's "commitment and leadership" whenever possible. It's a talking point on par with MSNBC or Fox News.

    Good thing for Kap is I still remember Don Majkowski...lovingly actually. The same goes for McMahon, Bosworth, Kordell, Stan Humphries, etc. I'll always remember him.


    Excellent. Both your post and the Magic man, Don Majkowski.

    Not a name thrown around much. Too bad. The guy was an absolute terror and I'll be stoked if RW ultimately becomes his equal.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:25 am
  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:Lockette seems to be as dumb as a box of rocks


    At least you're being honest with yourself. ;)
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:48 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:How did nobody else pick up on this!? Roland has a crush on Kraperdink. Sorry man, but you put that out there. At least this isn't the shack :th2thumbs:

    Tongue in cheek, bro. :)

    5_Golden_Rings wrote:What if Kaepernick is also in the film room as much or more than anyone else on the team as well? That is, what if you didn't have to choose between a work out warrior and a film warrior because the player is both?

    Ok, please show me some articles with 49ers players quotes referencing ridiculous work ethic habits. You know, stuff like these about Wilson, except for Kaepernick:
    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 8dd24c3e23
    http://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/9/2/32 ... work-ethic
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... ell-wilson

    Wilson was texting Percy Harvin before the trade was even finalized, making plans to practice in SoCal, and stuff. Just read those articles, then find some ones like that about Kaepernick, please. If he really does have an equal work ethic to Russell Wilson, I want to know about it.


    http://blog.49ers.com/2013/07/03/mt-gor ... ck-praise/
    Frank Gore - “One thing I love about that young guy, he works. He works very hard. Even before he got the starting job he used to be the first one there and one of the last guys out. As long as he keeps learning, working from the coaches and just being him, he’ll be fine.”

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/1/14/3 ... kaepernick
    Patrick Willis - "I'm the type of man I don't like to be outworked, but honestly I get there to the facility and he's outside already warming up."

    From the two main faces of the 49ers

    http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/05/27 ... es-injury/
    Only two weeks after the Super Bowl, Kaep, Lockette, and Jenkins were in Atlanta for two months training and studying.

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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:26 am
  • Did you even actually read those fully, Comeinpeace? In the Niners Nation one, Willis is specifically talking about him WORKING OUT a lot. Zero in there about anything not related to the physical; all his discussion in there is about how fast Kaepernick is. Well, if we rated QBs on how fast they could run, that might matter. In the sfgate.com one, yes, they played Entourage and lived together; QB plus two receivers. Where's Kaepernick paying to fly a DOZEN teammates to SoCal (or wherever) for off-season workouts like Russell Wilson did? Here, check this pic Tweeted by Sidney Rice: https://twitter.com/sidneyrice/status/3 ... 5208383488

    Are you trying to say there isn't a big difference between that and "sure bro come room with me and we'll study"? Not that that isn't a good thing, it is; but there are considerable differences. Not to mention, if Kaepernick's such a "savant" and insanely hard worker, how come he never earned the starting gig over "All Pro" (GALLONS of sarcasm there) Alex Smith? The fact that Harbaugh used Smith's injury as an excuse to make Kaepernick the new long-term starter proves that Harbaugh was just waiting for a reason, and clearly, Kaepernick never provided that reason of his own.

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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:32 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Did you even actually read those fully, Comeinpeace? In the Niners Nation one, Willis is specifically talking about him WORKING OUT a lot. Zero in there about anything not related to the physical; all his discussion in there is about how fast Kaepernick is. Well, if we rated QBs on how fast they could run, that might matter. In the sfgate.com one, yes, they played Entourage and lived together; QB plus two receivers. Where's Kaepernick paying to fly a DOZEN teammates to SoCal (or wherever) for off-season workouts like Russell Wilson did? Here, check this pic Tweeted by Sidney Rice: https://twitter.com/sidneyrice/status/3 ... 5208383488

    Are you trying to say there isn't a big difference between that and "sure bro come room with me and we'll study"? Not that that isn't a good thing, it is; but there are considerable differences. Not to mention, if Kaepernick's such a "savant" and insanely hard worker, how come he never earned the starting gig over "All Pro" (GALLONS of sarcasm there) Alex Smith? The fact that Harbaugh used Smith's injury as an excuse to make Kaepernick the new long-term starter proves that Harbaugh was just waiting for a reason, and clearly, Kaepernick never provided that reason of his own.

    Try harder, dude.


    I think your trying too hard, dude....and the hate is obvious. I understand you think Russell Wilson is all-world and is the next coming of Jesus himself, but this shtick of yours that no one outworks him and he's the Film Room QB Of The Year takes the cake. Can it be possible that both QBs are great and have strong work ethics and spend countless hours trying to be the best at their respective position? Does it hurt your Hawk pride that much to give them both their just due? Being a fan is one thing but I would hope being divison rivals wouldn't cloud one's judgement when critiquing opposing players. But whatever helps you sleep better at night. If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think CK is a mental midget and is more concerned with his biceps than his mental prep, go right ahead. But when you say things like things he obviously isn't any good because he couldn't beat out Alex Smith as a rookie, well that just proves your football brain isnt as big as you think it is. Its very simple really....

    CK was a raw rookie who needed some tutelage and some fundamental work before being ready to lead a team as a starting QB at the professional level. Its one of the reasons he wasn't a first round pick. He had a funky throwing motion and ran a 'gimmick' offense in college that scouts and critics both shunned during the draft process. The same offense your beloved Seahawks and a handful of other teams now incoperate heavily into their gameplans on Sundays. He never took a snap from center in college. He got by on a strong arm and his athletic ability. He was raw as passer. He needed work. Not unusual for a young QB with raw physical tools but lacking polish to sit and learn.

    RW ran a pro-style offense his entire college career. He was better prepared to have a bigger impact as rookie than CK. Plus he came to team lacking talent at the position. Say what you will about Alex Smith but he was a couple of botched punts away from leading a underdog offense to a SB. He had proven he could be a capable NFL starter. Matt Flynn...not so much. Different circumstances, different personnel, different teams. I said the day we drafted CK he needed to sit a minimum of 2 years before he would be ready to compete for the starting job. So he actually was ahead of schedule in my eyes, when he was annoited the starter halfway through last season. I also said on this very forum after the 2012 draft that RW was the second best QB behind Luck in the that class and that he was better than Matt Flynn even before he took a single rep as a pro. I love being so right. So I'm not just here in defense of my QB, Im merely staring that talent is talent and I don't discriminate against it, no matter what color the jersey is. They're both dillegent students of the game with titireless work ethic and a drive to be great. That much, should be evident by now, from both fanbases.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:45 pm
  • Question for you. What would you say if Wilson leads Kaepernick by the end of the regular season in TDs, TD-int ratio, completion percentage, and QB rating?
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:41 pm
  • The 2nd article you linked said that Wilson shows up at 630 am every morning.

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/28/560248 ... fting.html

    That one says you can find Kaep's car outside the facility at 5:55 every morning. You asked someone to provide links that proved Kaep had an equal to superior work ethic, and mine proves that his are 35 minutes a day better. As for saying it's all physical, dude we can't possibly know their workout/video schedules. You can't really believe that they spend all their time outside of the film room. Russel's SoCal trip happened in March, Kaep was in ATL with a few WRs 2 weeks after the SB. Does that not show quality work ethic?

    As far as what I would say if Wilson leads Kaep in those stats you listed. I would say it would be justified and he earned it, because he is a quality QB with a quality supporting cast around him.

    What would you say if I said that Kaepernick didn't have to spend as much time as Russell studying film since he's more intelligent (higher GPA in HS, and a higher Wonderlic score), which enables him to hone his physical skills and build more chemistry with his young receivers. Not saying it's true, but the facts say that it is a possibility. And you are an advocate on facts right? I can provide links of that if needed as well.
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Re: Kaepernick & Lockette
Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:48 pm
  • 757Niner wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:Did you even actually read those fully, Comeinpeace? In the Niners Nation one, Willis is specifically talking about him WORKING OUT a lot. Zero in there about anything not related to the physical; all his discussion in there is about how fast Kaepernick is. Well, if we rated QBs on how fast they could run, that might matter. In the sfgate.com one, yes, they played Entourage and lived together; QB plus two receivers. Where's Kaepernick paying to fly a DOZEN teammates to SoCal (or wherever) for off-season workouts like Russell Wilson did? Here, check this pic Tweeted by Sidney Rice: https://twitter.com/sidneyrice/status/3 ... 5208383488

    Are you trying to say there isn't a big difference between that and "sure bro come room with me and we'll study"? Not that that isn't a good thing, it is; but there are considerable differences. Not to mention, if Kaepernick's such a "savant" and insanely hard worker, how come he never earned the starting gig over "All Pro" (GALLONS of sarcasm there) Alex Smith? The fact that Harbaugh used Smith's injury as an excuse to make Kaepernick the new long-term starter proves that Harbaugh was just waiting for a reason, and clearly, Kaepernick never provided that reason of his own.

    Try harder, dude.


    I think your trying too hard, dude....and the hate is obvious. I understand you think Russell Wilson is all-world and is the next coming of Jesus himself, but this shtick of yours that no one outworks him and he's the Film Room QB Of The Year takes the cake. Can it be possible that both QBs are great and have strong work ethics and spend countless hours trying to be the best at their respective position? Does it hurt your Hawk pride that much to give them both their just due? Being a fan is one thing but I would hope being divison rivals wouldn't cloud one's judgement when critiquing opposing players. But whatever helps you sleep better at night. If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think CK is a mental midget and is more concerned with his biceps than his mental prep, go right ahead. But when you say things like things he obviously isn't any good because he couldn't beat out Alex Smith as a rookie, well that just proves your football brain isnt as big as you think it is. Its very simple really....

    CK was a raw rookie who needed some tutelage and some fundamental work before being ready to lead a team as a starting QB at the professional level. Its one of the reasons he wasn't a first round pick. He had a funky throwing motion and ran a 'gimmick' offense in college that scouts and critics both shunned during the draft process. The same offense your beloved Seahawks and a handful of other teams now incoperate heavily into their gameplans on Sundays. He never took a snap from center in college. He got by on a strong arm and his athletic ability. He was raw as passer. He needed work. Not unusual for a young QB with raw physical tools but lacking polish to sit and learn.

    RW ran a pro-style offense his entire college career. He was better prepared to have a bigger impact as rookie than CK. Plus he came to team lacking talent at the position. Say what you will about Alex Smith but he was a couple of botched punts away from leading a underdog offense to a SB. He had proven he could be a capable NFL starter. Matt Flynn...not so much. Different circumstances, different personnel, different teams. I said the day we drafted CK he needed to sit a minimum of 2 years before he would be ready to compete for the starting job. So he actually was ahead of schedule in my eyes, when he was annoited the starter halfway through last season. I also said on this very forum after the 2012 draft that RW was the second best QB behind Luck in the that class and that he was better than Matt Flynn even before he took a single rep as a pro. I love being so right. So I'm not just here in defense of my QB, Im merely staring that talent is talent and I don't discriminate against it, no matter what color the jersey is. They're both dillegent students of the game with titireless work ethic and a drive to be great. That much, should be evident by now, from both fanbases.


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  • Are two nerds actually arguing about which QB gets to work earlier?
    Holy shit, let it go.
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Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:50 pm
  • Tech Worlds wrote:I hate to say this but that was a hell of a nice post.

    Overall, yeah. However, he's critically wrong about it being my shtick. I'm just referring to what other people are saying. National writers and such too, not just teammates and local reporters with a vested interest.

    Scottemojo wrote:Are two nerds actually arguing about which QB gets to work earlier?
    Holy shit, let it go.

    Since when is work ethic not a valid point of discussion about QBs? Now you're sounding like one of those forum members that tells people what they can and cannot discuss. Take it easy.

    Comeinpeace wrote:The 2nd article you linked said that Wilson shows up at 630 am every morning.

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/28/560248 ... fting.html

    That one says you can find Kaep's car outside the facility at 5:55 every morning. You asked someone to provide links that proved Kaep had an equal to superior work ethic, and mine proves that his are 35 minutes a day better.

    That article was from July 2012, he had just been drafted 3 months before; just sayin'. When they both leave the facility, on average, also makes just as much of a difference, but I can't find any evidence on that for either of them at the moment. Also, another thing; I pointed out that your own 49ers player was referring to Kaepernick always working out. I didn't say it. Stop mischaracterizing what I'm saying. I also have never said Kaepernick has a bad work ethic or anything like that, you're making some leaps of logic based on your negative feelings towards my comments, I think.
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  • Nah, dude, talk about who showed up for work first to your heart's content. I was just a little embarrassed for Seahawks fans, but if that's your thing, go for broke.

    And to your opponent in early morning supremacy, 757, why? Do you think we will all fall down at the temple of Kaep because you convinced all he he actually is awesome and not a douchebag? Do you think we will suddenly fear the Niners more when we discover Kaep is so much more than Wilson. and even taller?

    BTW, I suspect he HAS to get to work at about 4 AM, because teaching remedial football to Lockette with colors and rape whistles probably eats up about 6 hours of each morning. After all, they are roomies. And BFF's.
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  • I'd say anytime someone spouts off 42-13, that's far more embarrassing representation of Seahawks fans; but that's just my opinion.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Ok, please show me some articles with 49ers players quotes referencing ridiculous work ethic habits. You know, stuff like these about Wilson, except for Kaepernick:


    If he really does have an equal work ethic to Russell Wilson, I want to know about it.


    That is what you said. Nothing was mischaracterized. You were insinuating that Kaep didn't have an equal work ethic, otherwise why would you ask for articles and then question if his is equal. You said you wanted to know about it. Also, I have no negative feelings about your posts, they are typically some of the more insightful and thought provoking. I don't let forum posts and banter get to me, s**t I live in Seattle. I deal with you a**holes daily and need thick skin :D

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  • It sounds like he's got more work ethic than I assumed, (Kaepernick) so I'll give him that; but I'm not convinced it's equal to Wilson's. I don't want to get Scotte upset though, ;) so let's skip over that topic.

    I honestly can't wait for this season to start. I may even start making a weekly "Wilson vs. Kaepernick" stats thread, for entertainment's sake. (That might stroke too many 49ers fan egos around here, though; we'll have to see.)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I'd say anytime someone spouts off 42-13, that's far more embarrassing representation of Seahawks fans; but that's just my opinion.


    But it's so much fun. 49ers fans can't really say anything back that doesn't sound dumber, so the smart ones have to resort to pointing out that "42-13" is lame. And of course, they wouldn't complain about it if it didn't bother them. The more they bring it up, the more I know it's working.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Question for you. What would you say if Wilson leads Kaepernick by the end of the regular season in TDs, TD-int ratio, completion percentage, and QB rating?

    Kaep's projected 16 game stats if you do the math was pretty comparable to Wilsons.

    One thing I will add to the discussion that may not have been addressed already on this thread, is simply from here forward, who can coach their respective Qb's better? Darell and Pete with Russel, or Harbaugh and Roman with Kaep? My personal opinion of course is Harbaugh, but it would be interesting to find out what the what the 'Hawk fans say. Not that I don't already know what they *might* say. :mrgreen:
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    RolandDeschain wrote:I'd say anytime someone spouts off 42-13, that's far more embarrassing representation of Seahawks fans; but that's just my opinion.


    But it's so much fun. 49ers fans can't really say anything back that doesn't sound dumber, so the smart ones have to resort to pointing out that "42-13" is lame. And of course, they wouldn't complain about it if it didn't bother them. The more they bring it up, the more I know it's working.

    The reason it's bothersome is that it indicates that Seattle is a really good team. To anybody *not* a fan of Seattle, of course it would bother them. Having said that, the smart 49er fans have their own historical information that would counter that and bother the Seattle fans because these facts also indicate the 49er team is pretty good too. all in all, past history is a wash if you are just focusing on the present, this is a new season and it's looking good for both teams, that's what makes it fun and irritating at the same time.
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    RolandDeschain wrote:Question for you. What would you say if Wilson leads Kaepernick by the end of the regular season in TDs, TD-int ratio, completion percentage, and QB rating?

    Kaep's projected 16 game stats if you do the math was pretty comparable to Wilsons.

    One thing I will add to the discussion that may not have been addressed already on this thread, is simply from here forward, who can coach their respective Qb's better? Darell and Pete with Russel, or Harbaugh and Roman with Kaep? My personal opinion of course is Harbaugh, but it would be interesting to find out what the what the 'Hawk fans say. Not that I don't already know what they *might* say. :mrgreen:

    Well, it's only logical that Harbaugh is the winner of that question. He was a QB. Carroll is a DB guy, and it's pretty obvious which team finds and develops DB talent better. ;) We have an embarrassment of riches at that position, and I'm including our backups in that. (We were all surprised at how well Jeremy Lane filled in for Brandon Browner while he was suspended, and the 49ers @ Seahawks game was one of those.)

    However, my question was one going forward for the 2013 season. If Wilson beats Kaepernick in those aforementioned categories this year, what would you think/say? It's only at the conclusion of the 2013 regular season that we will mostly know enough about both Wilson and Kaepernick to set realistic expectations for the rest of their careers.
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    RolandDeschain wrote:Question for you. What would you say if Wilson leads Kaepernick by the end of the regular season in TDs, TD-int ratio, completion percentage, and QB rating?

    Kaep's projected 16 game stats if you do the math was pretty comparable to Wilsons.

    One thing I will add to the discussion that may not have been addressed already on this thread, is simply from here forward, who can coach their respective Qb's better? Darell and Pete with Russel, or Harbaugh and Roman with Kaep? My personal opinion of course is Harbaugh, but it would be interesting to find out what the what the 'Hawk fans say. Not that I don't already know what they *might* say. :mrgreen:

    Well, it's only logical that Harbaugh is the winner of that question. He was a QB. Carroll is a DB guy, and it's pretty obvious which team finds and develops DB talent better. ;) We have an embarrassment of riches at that position, and I'm including our backups in that. (We were all surprised at how well Jeremy Lane filled in for Brandon Browner while he was suspended, and the 49ers @ Seahawks game was one of those.)

    However, my question was one going forward for the 2013 season. If Wilson beats Kaepernick in those aforementioned categories this year, what would you think/say? It's only at the conclusion of the 2013 regular season that we will mostly know enough about both Wilson and Kaepernick to set realistic expectations for the rest of their careers.
    The more difficult question is if both are pretty even in those stats, then what would be the conclusion? Having said that, the most imporant stat in my opinion is wins and losses and whether or not the 49ers win the superbowl. Having come close to 5 yards of winning it all, this year would be a disappointment. I woudln't mind if russell wins on the QB stat category, so long as the wins are more than seattle's and another Lombardi is in the cabinet.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:However, my question was one going forward for the 2013 season. If Wilson beats Kaepernick in those aforementioned categories this year, what would you think/say? It's only at the conclusion of the 2013 regular season that we will mostly know enough about both Wilson and Kaepernick to set realistic expectations for the rest of their careers.


    I don't know anyone who would particularly care; all that matters is playoff success. Manning smoked Brady in every regular season stat for their first 7-ish years. Brady won 3 super bowls in that time. You strike me as the type of person who uses players being voted to the pro bowl as some sort of indication of how good they are. Having awesome regular season numbers is the same vanity crap that Tony Romo apologists cling to every year.

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    RolandDeschain wrote:I'd say anytime someone spouts off 42-13, that's far more embarrassing representation of Seahawks fans; but that's just my opinion.


    But it's so much fun. 49ers fans can't really say anything back that doesn't sound dumber, so the smart ones have to resort to pointing out that "42-13" is lame. And of course, they wouldn't complain about it if it didn't bother them. The more they bring it up, the more I know it's working.


    It bothers people in the same way that a kid screaming does. So if that's what you're going for, carry on.
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  • Disp wrote:You strike me as the type of person who uses players being voted to the pro bowl as some sort of indication of how good they are. Having awesome regular season numbers is the same vanity crap that Tony Romo apologists cling to every year.


    You are way off the mark, here. I hate Pro Bowl voting. I think it should be Associated Press style only. No players voting, and no fans voting. I think All Pro nominations are worth approximately 162 times as much as Pro Bowl nominations. Also, part of the point of tracking a PLAYER'S stats is it can tell you more about the player than how the team does overall. For instance, the Patriots lose Brady, but still go 11-5 with Cassel. The Colts lose Peyton, and they go 2-14. Now, they tanked some games to get Luck, but regardless; I would say that for at least 3/4ths of the seasons the Patriots and Colts have had Brady and Peyton respectively, the Patriots have been a more talented overall team, in my opinion.

    Hate on individual stats all you want. They're not worthless, but just like any other stat INCLUDING wins/losses and playoff records, you have to take everything else that matters into account; like surrounding talent, coaching talent, etc.

    Let me reiterate, though. I HATE PRO BOWL VOTING. Despise it. I think it's cheap pandering BS that fans get to vote, and all it does is favor the "flavor of the year" media darling franchises. Look at Jeff Saturday, he got voted to the Pro Bowl last year, but he was BENCHED by Green Bay for sucking during the regular season. I hate that kind of crap.
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:49 pm
  • Roland is actually one of the better posters I've encouter here, for the record...

    But why are you worried about how the media potrays any player, right or wrong? That doesn't affect wins or losses. And its not like the media is saying RW is some lazy slug, who doesnt put the work in. CK has no control over what beat writers and national coverage guys focus on. He actually has a certain disdain for the media. He just wants to play football. He's doesnt fit the image of what the traditional franchise QB looks like and that's all they focused on when he became the starter. And he didnt appreciate them focusing on that, instead of his work on the field and he's come to resent them because of it. Part of is JH too, because he's disdain for the the prying eyes of the media is well documented and I'm sure he takes some of that from his coach but its not like he's seeking out the media, in a Chad Johnson/Terrell Owens fashion. He's just putting in work and letting the chips fall where they may.

    As far as 42-13, it happened, we got our ass handed to us, but its still one reg season game. It didn't slow us down nor hamper our momentum heading into the playoffs. It might have actually helped players understand that they weren't as good as their press-clippings suggest. What I find amusing is how Hawks fans conviently forget that was their first win in 4 tries against us. Hawks fans are going to spin it in a fashion that best suits them. Niner fans are going to do the same. NFL Fandom Rule #2 in full effect.

    Outsiders tempted to brand Kaepernick -- after 10 NFL starts -- as a one-read quarterback or a read-option quarterback aren't seeing what coordinator Greg Roman is seeing.

    "He doesn't look at things in a rote fashion," Roman said. "He can see big picture. He understands the trickle-down. Say you give him a play, he is going to look at it in his mind versus all different coverages. All those little acetates are going to fall down at once in his mind, and then he understands the impact and 'hey, maybe we should put this guy in this spot, let him run this and let what's-his-name do this.' He is very interactive."

    The 49ers still plan to use two backs frequently and lean hard on the running game, but it's not so much because a young quarterback is limiting their options. The collaborative aspect Roman referenced is telling in that regard.

    "Last year, I started to bounce things off him because I started to really trust him," Roman said. "I liked what I was hearing and seeing. Now, he has a hand in the pot, too. That is what you want. He is the quarterback. You can evolve with him, and he'll be part of that evolution process. I just love getting him thinking, because he is great."


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    I think CK is right on schedule from my orginal prediction that his 3rd year would be the year he could lead a NFL team. Last year afforded him some much needed on-the-job training. He still needs work in a lot ways but he is in a great to position to build on last year. I'm not big on stats defining QB play becasue so many factors go into a QB success that is totally out of his control. I would never say CK is better than RW, reagrdless if the stats suggested so, and vice versa. Because more goes into playing the position than the end result of each play. But if you watch and analyze the game, its easy to determine how important a QB is to the overall success of a offense. And both players will be instrumental in the success/failure of both franchises going forward. I never compared Montana and Elway. Why? They were both great and did it in different ways. Different attributes, different approaches to the game but in the end, they both won and went down in history as two of the best to ever do it. That's how I look at the RW/Kaep/RG3/Luck comparisons. I think they'll all be good/great in their own way, respectively.
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  • 757, you might say I have a pet peeve about undeserving praise. Not just for NFL players, but anybody, period. Watching someone get smoke blown up their arse just annoys me; and that's largely what fan voting is, too.

    Good post, I mostly agree with what you've said. They're definitely not the same player, (RW and Kaep) but I would say it's just human nature to compare different things in the same category against each other. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges, quarterbacks to quarterbacks. :)
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  • "5 rings" is a lot, lot dumber. If I was a 49ers fan, I would never use it. It has zilch to do with the rivalry. That plus, it was a very long time ago. It's not like you hear the Packers talking about their championships from the 1960s. Talking about rings from a generation ago only highlights what they haven't done lately.

    At least "42-13" directly relates to the rivalry.

    The best rivalry centric argument 49ers fans can use is Harbaugh's record against Pete, IMO.
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  • kearly wrote:"5 rings" is a lot, lot dumber. If I was a 49ers fan, I would never use it. It has zilch to do with the rivalry. That plus, it was a very long time ago. It's not like you hear the Packers talking about their championships from the 1960s. Talking about rings from a generation ago only highlights what they haven't done lately.

    At least "42-13" directly relates to the rivalry.

    The best rivalry centric argument 49ers fans can use is Harbaugh's record against Pete, IMO.

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  • kearly wrote:"5 rings" is a lot, lot dumber. If I was a 49ers fan, I would never use it. It has zilch to do with the rivalry. That plus, it was a very long time ago. It's not like you hear the Packers talking about their championships from the 1960s. Talking about rings from a generation ago only highlights what they haven't done lately.

    At least "42-13" directly relates to the rivalry.

    The best rivalry centric argument 49ers fans can use is Harbaugh's record against Pete, IMO.



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  • kearly wrote:"5 rings" is a lot, lot dumber. If I was a 49ers fan, I would never use it. It has zilch to do with the rivalry. That plus, it was a very long time ago. It's not like you hear the Packers talking about their championships from the 1960s. Talking about rings from a generation ago only highlights what they haven't done lately.

    At least "42-13" directly relates to the rivalry.

    The best rivalry centric argument 49ers fans can use is Harbaugh's record against Pete, IMO.


    Its not a rivalry though...YET. That's the thing I don't think most Hawks fans realize. The Rams are more our rival than either you guys or the Cards. The Hawks have been in the NFC less than 20 years if memory serves me correct. There isn't enough history between the two teams to say its a rivalry. Being in same division doesnt necessarily make your rivals, in the true sense of the word. The Cowboys and Giants are more our rivals than anyone in our division. Maybe even the Packers too. There is significant histroy there. Epic battles with SB berths and playoff wins at stake. Those are significant and monumental battles well documented in football lore. I have much more disdain for the G-Men and Cowboys than I do the Hawks and most Niner fans I know feel excatly the same. It can't be a rivalry if one team is playing for SBs and the other team is picking in the top 10 in the draft and that was the case for pretty much from 2002-2010. Then when we started to rise, you guys slid. The Lakers/Celtics rivalry is just that because they were two GREAT teams competing for world titles. And that's why this year, 2013 is the start. Both franchises at peaking at the same time, playing not only for divisional aspirations but SB berths as well. That's when its significant. That's when the general public, not just Hawks and Niners fans take notice. And that's when you know its real. I totally understand the point your making though.
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  • 757Niner wrote:Its not a rivalry though...YET.


    Well, maybe you'll consider it one when we win the division 3 years in a row starting now.
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  • 757Niner wrote:The Hawks have been in the NFC less than 20 years if memory serves me correct.


    So, let's get this straight...you don't know how long the Seahawks have been in the NFC West? How old are you, exactly, and when did you start watching football?
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    757Niner wrote:Its not a rivalry though...YET.


    Well, maybe you'll consider it one when we win the division 3 years in a row starting now.


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