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What will Roger do in wake of Hernandez?
Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:14 am
  • I'm not duplicating the already existing thread on Hernandez, I see this as a separate issue.

    Being the fan of a team full of "characters" I'm a little worried over Il Duce Roger's actions in the wake of the Hernandez news. No doubt about it, he will try and correct this PR skid by over steering, somehow.

    I'd think dudes like Irvin will have a MUCH harder time getting drafted from now on. Hernandez had legit draft issues, which may've clued the Pats into his potentially nasty side, so Rog may put out the word "you’re responsible", draft at own peril.

    Something’s going to occur, IMO.
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  • My guess is he'll applaud what the Patriots did in releasing Hernandez. The NFL may have already done that.

    The sense that I'm getting from all the Hernandez articles is Hernandez is a gangbanger of sorts.

    If anything, I could see Goodell issuing a letter to each club about the image of the NFL being tarnished by the public's perception that gang activities are leeching into the NFL's world and for the clubs to advise their players to be careful about who they associate with.

    He may even start a committee to understand if this issue is pervasive in the NFL and to determine what could be done to preclude another Hernandez-type black eye to the NFL's image.
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  • I don't know what he'll do, but plenty of people around here will complain about it.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I don't know what he'll do, but plenty of people around here will complain about it.


    I wanna be all "Come on man don't be that way" but since I know it's true all I can do is laugh.
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  • I don't know what he will do but I'm sure glad someone started a third Hernandez thread.

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  • The Radish wrote:I don't know what he will do but I'm sure glad someone started a third Hernandez thread.

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    It's not a Hernandez thread, its a Goodell thread. I'm interested in hearing what knowledgeable posters think Goodell will do now. I find that type of discussion fascinating and informative. I have no interest in the Hernandez issue, personally.

    Or, you know, what you said, I just want another Hernandez thread.
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  • Well, as more shit emerges, its hard not to include Henandez in the equation. It now appears that the murder of Odin Loyd was to silence him for information of a double Murder hernandez was involved in. If true, this thing will be front page news for quite a while and the NFL wont be able to wash the stank off that easily.
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  • Chukarhawk wrote:Well, as more shit emerges, its hard not to include Henandez in the equation. It now appears that the murder of Odin Loyd was to silence him for information of a double Murder hernandez was involved in. If true, this thing will be front page news for quite a while and the NFL wont be able to wash the stank off that easily.

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  • onanygivensunday wrote:
    Chukarhawk wrote:Well, as more shit emerges, its hard not to include Henandez in the equation. It now appears that the murder of Odin Loyd was to silence him for information of a double Murder hernandez was involved in. If true, this thing will be front page news for quite a while and the NFL wont be able to wash the stank off that easily.

    Got a link?

    There is a link to a story in the Hernandez thread.
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  • Chukarhawk wrote:Well, as more shit emerges, its hard not to include Henandez in the equation. It now appears that the murder of Odin Loyd was to silence him for information of a double Murder hernandez was involved in. If true, this thing will be front page news for quite a while and the NFL wont be able to wash the stank off that easily.


    Hernandez' problems are a human issue for a great athlete who made his way to the NFL. I don't consider this to be an NFL problem. In fact, I suspect if he had never made it to the NFL he would have taken a dark path anyway. Now, if Aqib Talib whacks someone, that will be an NFL issue, seeing as everyone knows what his gun toting issues already are.
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  • Goodell is all about the league's image and ways to make the league more popular. As a result, he sometimes goes overboard, or doesn't consider the ramifications of the ideas he's pushing (for example, who in the hell thinks a London team is a good or even feasible idea?).

    When it comes to stuff like the Hernandez case, it's hard to know how he'll react. I don't recall the league's policies on "detrimental behavior" or substance abuse changing after Donte Stallworth plead guilty to manslaughter, for instance. I know he nailed Stallworth himself with a full year suspension as a result. But that situation is totally different from this Hernandez thing. From what the Boston police have said, the only real comparison is with Rae Carruth (don't get started on the Ray Lewis comparisons... there was nowhere near this much supposed evidence in Lewis' case). I don't know whether Goodell will maintain the "focus on the player" type of punishment, then again, if Hernandez is convicted, it'll be a non-issue.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:Goodell is all about the league's image and ways to make the league more popular. As a result, he sometimes goes overboard, or doesn't consider the ramifications of the ideas he's pushing (for example, who in the hell thinks a London team is a good or even feasible idea?).

    When it comes to stuff like the Hernandez case, it's hard to know how he'll react. I don't recall the league's policies on "detrimental behavior" or substance abuse changing after Donte Stallworth plead guilty to manslaughter, for instance. I know he nailed Stallworth himself with a full year suspension as a result. But that situation is totally different from this Hernandez thing. From what the Boston police have said, the only real comparison is with Rae Carruth (don't get started on the Ray Lewis comparisons... there was nowhere near this much supposed evidence in Lewis' case). I don't know whether Goodell will maintain the "focus on the player" type of punishment, then again, if Hernandez is convicted, it'll be a non-issue.



    If dude ends up bing a triple murderer? Wishful thinking. this thing will be akin to the Lacey Peterson case. Especially if this summer is a slow news summer it will 24/7.
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  • Chukarhawk wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:Goodell is all about the league's image and ways to make the league more popular. As a result, he sometimes goes overboard, or doesn't consider the ramifications of the ideas he's pushing (for example, who in the hell thinks a London team is a good or even feasible idea?).

    When it comes to stuff like the Hernandez case, it's hard to know how he'll react. I don't recall the league's policies on "detrimental behavior" or substance abuse changing after Donte Stallworth plead guilty to manslaughter, for instance. I know he nailed Stallworth himself with a full year suspension as a result. But that situation is totally different from this Hernandez thing. From what the Boston police have said, the only real comparison is with Rae Carruth (don't get started on the Ray Lewis comparisons... there was nowhere near this much supposed evidence in Lewis' case). I don't know whether Goodell will maintain the "focus on the player" type of punishment, then again, if Hernandez is convicted, it'll be a non-issue.



    If dude ends up bing a triple murderer? Wishful thinking. this thing will be akin to the Lacey Peterson case. Especially if this summer is a slow news summer it will 24/7.


    My point was that any punishment the NFL hands down will be a non-issue if Hernandez is convicted. What is Goodell going to do, suspend him for 3 years? Won't matter since the guy will be sitting in prison anyway.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    Chukarhawk wrote:Well, as more shit emerges, its hard not to include Henandez in the equation. It now appears that the murder of Odin Loyd was to silence him for information of a double Murder hernandez was involved in. If true, this thing will be front page news for quite a while and the NFL wont be able to wash the stank off that easily.


    Hernandez' problems are a human issue for a great athlete who made his way to the NFL. I don't consider this to be an NFL problem. In fact, I suspect if he had never made it to the NFL he would have taken a dark path anyway. Now, if Aqib Talib whacks someone, that will be an NFL issue, seeing as everyone knows what his gun toting issues already are.


    I find this to be wishful thinking, really. This occured on one of the NFL's beloved franchises. The Patriots are a team the NFL has interest in pushing as a model franchise. Look what happened when a favored franchise lost a game due to replacement referees? He's all about image and PR. He WILL do something.

    There we're some huge flags, apparently, with Hernandez coming out of Florida (makes sense considering the talent he has and round taken). I totally expect some "incentive" for teams to stay away from any draftee with red flags, from now on. We may never know of it, but, IMO its going to happen.

    I'd go so far to say Bruce Irvin would be a 3rd day pick from now on, due to Roger's convincing behind closed doors. That's hyperbole on my part, but note, when everyone was still smelling Roger's junk, I was alone in questioning the douche. Maybe I just know douchebags (as Digital Underground says...game recognize game).
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  • I think youre right.
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  • There have never been real repurcussions from ol Roger for NFL teams for the mistakes players make off the field, and I would be shocked if this was the first. Yeah, guys with gang ties might slide for a couple of years in the draft, but soon enough a position of need will be filled by a guy similar to Hernandez. Irvin was the first guy I thought of too, because of the gun ties, not gang ties. People keep talking gang culture with Hernandez, but the NFL has a way bigger problem with gun culture. A guy growing up around gangs would concern me way less than a guy who was known to carry for clearly testosterone based reasons.

    Entitled athlete behavior will always go with sports. Greek sports fans probably complained about entitled olympic athletes. Romans probably got pissed about gladiators being too violent away from the arena. And Roger will most likely make a mess of this in his perceived need to placate the media criticism of the league's supposed violence issue. But it is a human issue. 2880 players in the NFL on 90 man rosters right now, 28 arrested since the SB. Hardly a league scourge.
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  • pehawk wrote:No one complained in Greece, they were nude.

    And all oiled up.

    I bet it was no fun watching a deadlift, though.

    Roger is going to give Stern a run as worst commish before all is said and done.
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  • Rumor is Roger is going to force Dan Snyder to rename Washington the Hernandez's.
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  • I am sure Goodell will institute a mandatory 4 game suspension for murderers..........

    Seriously - what do you want done? Carruth is in prison to 2018 or something and he was the first and now if Hernandez is convicted never get out.

    If you make a rule stating you can't hire players that have ever been in trouble then the NFL gets taken to court and looses their monopoly position. There is nothing that can be done.

    The to me MUCH MORE interesting question is what will Godell do if Hernandez comes out looking guilty as HECK but like others gets aquitted and lets say gets convicted for evidence tampering or something gets 3 months in the slammer. Now what does the NFL do?
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  • The Radish wrote:I don't know what he will do but I'm sure glad someone started a third Hernandez thread.

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    Well, it's almost to be expected. My initial 6-page one was locked for no reason and conversation moved to one of the newer ones that popped up, despite the initial one still being active. :)
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  • Undoubtedly Rog will do whatever Snyder and Jerruh tell him he should do.
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  • mikeak wrote:I am sure Goodell will institute a mandatory 4 game suspension for murderers..........

    Seriously - what do you want done? Carruth is in prison to 2018 or something and he was the first and now if Hernandez is convicted never get out.

    If you make a rule stating you can't hire players that have ever been in trouble then the NFL gets taken to court and looses their monopoly position. There is nothing that can be done.

    The to me MUCH MORE interesting question is what will Godell do if Hernandez comes out looking guilty as HECK but like others gets aquitted and lets say gets convicted for evidence tampering or something gets 3 months in the slammer. Now what does the NFL do?


    Did you read any of the contributions by vols, givensunday, Scotte or myself before adding this gem? I like to think you did not, which is why you added nothing to the actual topic. But, if you read everything and STILL missed the point, well, I salute you sir!
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  • pehawk wrote:I'm not duplicating the already existing thread on Hernandez, I see this as a separate issue.

    Being the fan of a team full of "characters" I'm a little worried over Il Duce Roger's actions in the wake of the Hernandez news. No doubt about it, he will try and correct this PR skid by over steering, somehow.

    I'd think dudes like Irvin will have a MUCH harder time getting drafted from now on. Hernandez had legit draft issues, which may've clued the Pats into his potentially nasty side, so Rog may put out the word "you’re responsible", draft at own peril.

    Something’s going to occur, IMO.

    Not really sure because teams already know it's a risk. For every Moss or Bryant there could be a Hernandez and with how alot of these players come from the gang culture it is probably going to be more common. Even if I am hoping Hernandez is a massive outlier I have a sneaking suspicion he may not be.
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  • Maybe Roger and friends should help support A Better LA, A Better Seattle and other groups that are geared toward reducing and preventing gang violence. Let's stop the violence before it gets to this level.
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  • sc85sis wrote:Maybe Roger and friends should help support A Better LA, A Better Seattle and other groups that are geared toward reducing and preventing gang violence. Let's stop the violence before it gets to this level.

    Very good idea. I wonder if there were a way to suggest to him or the league office or whatnot.
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  • sc85sis wrote:Maybe Roger and friends should help support A Better LA, A Better Seattle and other groups that are geared toward reducing and preventing gang violence. Let's stop the violence before it gets to this level.


    You need a job? I'd much rather have you than Roger.

    I hear the pay's good. And maybe you could fix the inherent scheduling biased Pete has to overcome here? I'll write a reference letter, if you’d like?
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  • pehawk wrote:
    mikeak wrote:I am sure Goodell will institute a mandatory 4 game suspension for murderers..........

    Seriously - what do you want done? Carruth is in prison to 2018 or something and he was the first and now if Hernandez is convicted never get out.

    If you make a rule stating you can't hire players that have ever been in trouble then the NFL gets taken to court and looses their monopoly position. There is nothing that can be done.

    The to me MUCH MORE interesting question is what will Godell do if Hernandez comes out looking guilty as HECK but like others gets aquitted and lets say gets convicted for evidence tampering or something gets 3 months in the slammer. Now what does the NFL do?


    Did you read any of the contributions by vols, givensunday, Scotte or myself before adding this gem? I like to think you did not, which is why you added nothing to the actual topic. But, if you read everything and STILL missed the point, well, I salute you sir!


    I read them but clearly you didn't read mine before writing a pissy post about it. I stated that Godell will do nothing in my opinion. He CANNOT LEGALLY come out and say not to hire these guys like you think he will. If it came out that Godell had forced NFL teams not to hire people that had a questionable past the league would be sued by many players claiming they didn't get hired because of this. They have a federal exemption that if challenged in court could be removed. This was already partially close to happening in the Maurice Clarett cause where he won the original lawsuit about being allowed to enter the draft only having played one year in college.

    MY reply to your specific quotes which were the following: "I'm a little worried over Il Duce Roger's actions", "so Rog may put out the word "you’re responsible", draft at own peril", "He WILL do something.", "We may never know of it, but, IMO its going to happen."

    is that he won't do anything more than already done. The patriots are taking a $10 million something cap hit over this and next year. The draft at your own peril is already a fact. You spend the draft pick, you loose the money you commit to these guys. Look at the Bengals - how many players did they have arrested in one freaking offseason a few years ago? Nothing happened. This isn't the NCAA - they teams pay the price on and off the field when these things happen. You can't say don't draft citizens that as far as we know it are law abiding. You can say - bad dudes get suspended which happened to Vick, Pacman etc - that is done already said.

    You think anyone would hire a murderer if they knew???? The commish doesn't need to say anything and he won't.

    If the NFL started hiring only kids without any problems ever in their background the level of play would go down significantly and the CFL would be fielding better teams within one year. Look at honeybadger - come on don't tell me the flags aren't there. Don't tell me Arizona doesn't know 4 games the first time he gets caught, season next and third possibly after that. Yet they draft him and they draft him relatively high

    My question remains - what happens to Hernandez if he beats this in court. Which team signs him and what does Godell say. Now that will be extremely interesting if it happens.
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  • Let's just hope that situation never happens what a fiasco if it did. Luckily it looks like a piece of bubble gum may be his undoing.
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  • Roger will ban all NFL players from having tattoos or firearms as they "send the wrong message" to the fanbase.
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  • pehawk wrote:
    sc85sis wrote:Maybe Roger and friends should help support A Better LA, A Better Seattle and other groups that are geared toward reducing and preventing gang violence. Let's stop the violence before it gets to this level.


    You need a job? I'd much rather have you than Roger.

    I hear the pay's good. And maybe you could fix the inherent scheduling biased Pete has to overcome here? I'll write a reference letter, if you’d like?


    Really wish Paul Allen had a say in whether or not to keep Goodell. :sarcasm_off:
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  • Okay mikeak, maybe I was being pissy.

    But, Roger's already levying suspensions outside of any due process and the legal system. The MOST agregious example was Terrelle Pryor. Roger suspended him for things he did before he got into the NFL. He suspended Big Ben for what, 8 games, on charges which we're eventually dropped. He levied suspensions and fines for Bountygate with very little, and mostly circumstancial evidence. That was ALL done with the NFL's PR and image in mind, nothing else.

    I personally dont like any of those suspensions, but thats really beside the point. I think something will occur. Especially with rubes like Limbaugh, Rivera and Fox News hopping on the bandwagon about the NFL's "culture". Those are some POWERFUL voices, and Roger will take notice, IMO.

    Off-topic, I am looking to trade my Ray Carruth jersey for a Hernandez. Any takers?
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  • pehawk wrote:Okay mikeak, maybe I was being pissy.

    But, Roger's already levying suspensions outside of any due process and the legal system. The MOST agregious example was Terrelle Pryor. Roger suspended him for things he did before he got into the NFL. He suspended Big Ben for what, 8 games, on charges which we're eventually dropped. He levied suspensions and fines for Bountygate with very little, and mostly circumstancial evidence. That was ALL done with the NFL's PR and image in mind, nothing else.

    I personally dont like any of those suspensions, but thats really beside the point. I think something will occur. Especially with rubes like Limbaugh, Rivera and Fox News hopping on the bandwagon about the NFL's "culture". Those are some POWERFUL voices, and Roger will take notice, IMO.

    Off-topic, I am looking to trade my Ray Carruth jersey for a Hernandez. Any takers?

    Roger will continue to push the limits of his power until he goes to far and pisses off the 31 owners a bit too much. It is the inevitable outcome of all puppet despots.
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  • Yeah, good call Scotte. It'll be some sort of Woody Hayes moment; but within a verbal/CBA context. Housewife Hips Harbaugh will have the literal Woody Hayes moment.
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  • pehawk wrote:Okay mikeak, maybe I was being pissy.

    But, Roger's already levying suspensions outside of any due process and the legal system. The MOST agregious example was Terrelle Pryor. Roger suspended him for things he did before he got into the NFL. He suspended Big Ben for what, 8 games, on charges which we're eventually dropped. He levied suspensions and fines for Bountygate with very little, and mostly circumstancial evidence. That was ALL done with the NFL's PR and image in mind, nothing else.

    I personally dont like any of those suspensions, but thats really beside the point. I think something will occur. Especially with rubes like Limbaugh, Rivera and Fox News hopping on the bandwagon about the NFL's "culture". Those are some POWERFUL voices, and Roger will take notice, IMO.

    Off-topic, I am looking to trade my Ray Carruth jersey for a Hernandez. Any takers?


    I agree but there are some "missed" facts in two of those suspensions

    1) Pryor - I 100% agree that NCAA suspensions shouldn't be tied to the NFL BUT the concern was that college players would start getting themselves suspended and into the supplemental draft as a "reward".

    2) Big Ben admitted to serving alcohol to underage girls at the night of the event. Technicality yes but guilty

    3)Bountygate. To me way to severe suspensions but pay for performance is not allowed regardless of intent to injure. That is well known and included in Tagliabue's report yet no suspensions. Didn't make sense 1-2 games would have been fine in my book.

    Goodell isn't doing anything that isn't 100% agreed upon by the owners. They can replace him at any time. Popularity and money is going straight up. The next tv deal will be unreal and that is what matters at the end of the day (to the owners).

    Hernandez was most likely a really bad dude that happened to be good at football. There will be more like him you just need to try to weed them out.....
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  • Goodell is a weasel, and with the new CBA, he has all the power he wants and some to spare. Sickening. Hernandez probably won't face any disciplinary action once, and if, he returns. The NFL plays favorites, we all know this.
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  • I would guess that close to 30 maybe 40 percent of players have had associations or a checkered past of sorts, if you blanket statement that you are ineligible for the NFL if you have any felony convictions, drug convictions, or physical altercations, or domestic violence, how many players would we have in the league.

    One thing is, if Hernandez is found not guilty how big is the lawsuit he files against the Patriots, Kraft and the NFL going to be.

    At least the Ravens hedged thier bets with Lewis able to go what ever way needed. Supporting him in the public as a team mate but admonishing the situation and supporting the victems of the tragedy.
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  • Hernandez doesn't have a case against the NFL for being "fired". Like most of us at-will-employees can get fired / the CBA has rules about breaking contracts for teams.

    Now if he is deemed not guilty and then not picked up by any team / suspended then he has a case for collusion / unfair treatment.
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  • It surprises me how many people think NFL penalties are equivalent to a court of law. They're not. Proof doesn't need to exist for many things, or be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of the player's peers, or anything like that. What part of the "if you even look bad in the media, we can slap your wrist" policy that the NFLPA and players agree to do you not understand?
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  • chris98251 wrote:I would guess that close to 30 maybe 40 percent of players have had associations or a checkered past of sorts, if you blanket statement that you are ineligible for the NFL if you have any felony convictions, drug convictions, or physical altercations, or domestic violence, how many players would we have in the league.

    One thing is, if Hernandez is found not guilty how big is the lawsuit he files against the Patriots, Kraft and the NFL going to be.

    At least the Ravens hedged thier bets with Lewis able to go what ever way needed. Supporting him in the public as a team mate but admonishing the situation and supporting the victems of the tragedy.

    Ray Lewis's situation never compared to Hernandez's everyone knew it that within minutes, heck it only took the media to fully realize that in a day or two and they knew the vetted truth in hours.
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  • Roland makes a good point in that when you sign on with the NFL you agree to be policed by them and to abide by what ever rules they want to apply. As I recall players are clearly told this when they sign contracts.

    Its much like the situation with Disney World. They have their own fire and police departments seperate from Orlando or Kissimmee whichever you wish to call them. Like the NFL they handle all problems in house unless they ask for outside help or in a case like Hernandez that happens off the field of play so to speak.

    And this and the Lewis thing are worlds apart. I've beat the drum about Ray Lewis for years because by his actions he allowed a couple of murderers to go free but was not involved directly in the crime before. All he did was give a pair of his friends he thought were in danger a ride away from the place.

    With Hernandez just via news information it appears he may have offed a guy a while ago and when threatened with exposure he offed a guy that was talking about it to others.

    The NFL can't do much of anything until various legal departments have finished their cases same as anyone off the streets.

    I'm curious about teams being able to take back the moneys advanced to players in this situation. I've never thought that was fair but must be dealt with in either player contracts or the CBA. If a company hired you fair and square, gave you a cash advance advance in lieu of salary the first couple of years and then 2 years later you got in trouble with the law what right do they have asking for that money back? But that is exactly what the Patriots are trying to do, or will do.

    Has to be covered in your contract somehow.

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  • I think everyone that wants to speak on this topic should read the entire CBA. I did, it's actually fairly interesting for what it is, and it's not all hard-to-interpret legalese.

    http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResou ... marked.pdf

    It's kind of lengthy, (300 pages) I spent a few nights doing it, (this was a couple months ago) but it's definitely informative. Also, here's an actual boilerplate standard NFL contract: http://louridas.net/products/sports-age ... ntract.pdf

    I've read that plenty of stuff gets added to the contracts, obviously; but I was surprised that the default one is only 4 pages. It seems like a job as important/awesome as being an NFL player would have a ridiculously wordy contract by default. :229031_shrug:
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  • They are only trying to get back the 3.9 million or near enough in guaranteed money that HASN'T been paid out yet. That's fair imo Les.:)
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