Disp wrote:Doesn't the exact same thing apply to Carroll? He had a losing record in his first 2 1/2 seasons as the Seahawks head coach before Wilson developed and took control in the second half of last season. If the Hawks hadn't drafted Wilson how would last season and the future look?
Well, we declined in talent every year following our Super Bowl, and a confirmed very high-end coach in Mike Holmgren finished 4-12 his final year here. (One of only five coaches to ever take two different teams to the Super Bowl. None have won with two teams.) Carroll had to blow up our roster and start from scratch. We had a total of 284 roster transactions in his first year here. 284. I can't find if that's a record for an NFL team or not, but I'm guessing it is.
Also, we had a losing record for one week in 2013, that's hardly Carroll having a losing record for half of the season. We never went below .500 after our opening-week loss to the Cardinals.
I would say that Carroll has definitely proven more in the NFL than Harbaugh has despite him not reaching the Super Bowl yet. Harbaugh came to a team loaded with talented players, and 49ers fans really downplay what an advantage that is. It kind of reminds me of a roommate I used to have, his parents paid for 100% of everything including spare spending cash after high school while he went to college, and when he graduated, he had about $15,000 leftover money and no debt/expenses of any kind, and as a graduation present, they bought him a brand-new car to boot. Starting adult life after school with $15k cash, a brand-new car, and no debt of any kind is a pretty nice starting position to have, especially since you never had to work a job at all throughout college, so you could focus on school. In this metaphor, Carroll came to the Seahawks and started with a falling-down house that needed to be bulldozed, and a budget to buy a new one that would take five years, but he managed to create a contending team in 3 years/drafts.
It remains to be seen which coach can go farther with a very talented overall roster, because we've only now reached that, but Carroll has damned sure proven a lot more than Harbaugh about being an overall head coach. Harbaugh hasn't had to play world-builder. Now, it's not Harbaugh's fault that he walked into a very cushy gig (for previously being a perennial losing team, that is) in terms of this discussion; but considering the major differences in these two situations, and all the talent Carroll and Schneider have found OUTSIDE the top couple of draft rounds, you can see why most of us roll our eyes whenever someone says Harbaugh's a better coach than Carroll. The list of things Harbaugh has had to do thus far is considerably smaller than the list of things Carroll has had to do, and as of now, has done extremely well. Nobody knows how Harbaugh would have done if he had been hired by the Seahawks when Carroll was. Maybe the same, maybe even better, maybe worse; but it's hard to imagine a better rise to prominence from being a talentless joke of a team like we were in Holmgren's final year and Mora's only year.
So, all of that being said, don't be annoyed if most of us consider Carroll to be the better coach.