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  • Throwdown wrote:He. Is. Finished.


    Dunno, NFL players have a pretty good Murder-to-Conviction ratio.

    Off the top of my head, OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison make it 3-0.
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  • They're not gonna let him go, not when its almost crystal clear he had something to do with it.

    BTW Harrison's case is still pending I believe.
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  • Guess it would be 3-0, when you only count players that did not get convicted.
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    That awkward moment when you realize that tonight's Game 7 will be interrupted by Aaron Hernandez in a White Bronco driven by Gronk.
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  • cockeyhawk wrote:Guess it would be 3-0, when you only count players that did not get convicted.

    Yeah, Rae Carruth comes to mind...
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  • SDHawk wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:He. Is. Finished.


    Dunno, NFL players have a pretty good Murder-to-Conviction ratio.

    Off the top of my head, OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison make it 3-0.


    Donte Stallworth...make that 4-0. Yeah he pleaded guilty but only 30 days!!!!??? For killing someone while u were driving drunk? Ridiculous
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  • -The Glove- wrote:
    SDHawk wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:He. Is. Finished.


    Dunno, NFL players have a pretty good Murder-to-Conviction ratio.

    Off the top of my head, OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison make it 3-0.


    Donte Stallworth...make that 4-0. Yeah he pleaded guilty but only 30 days!!!!??? For killing someone while u were driving drunk? Ridiculous

    How they going to convict anyone given he scrubbed his house? Unless they have some serious CSI going it seems like these jokers may walk. On the otherhand I just don't see the police not doing their due dilegence on this because of the heinous nature of the shooting.
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  • Throwdown wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:What do you mean never expect? Hernandez has always been in trouble dating back to college.


    Wasnt that just for marijuana use?


    I think so. But he's definitely always come across as a punk.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this murder was drug related. Either he directly killed the guy or he had one of his "boys" do it.

    He already has proven to have anger issues and a drug history. Not exactly someone I'd never expect of this type of act.

    Will be interesting to see who rolls on who first. My guess is Hernandez tries to throw one of his friends under the bus once he realizes he's in deep shit.
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  • bestfightstory wrote:What's out Leonard Little?


    Littles ass should have been thrown in prison with no parole.
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  • Hernandez was questioned about a shooting in 2007 while a student at the University of Florida...
    Hernandez was arrested in a separate situation during his freshman year at Florida while he was still 17 years old... after an altercation at a campus hangout...
    He’s also being sued by a former friend after a shooting...
    He was also involved in two separate incidents at Providence nightclubs in May and June of this year

    http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-aaron-hernandez-arrested-as-juvenile-questioned-about-shooting-while-at-florida-in-2007/

    But the pattern of Hernandez showing up in court filings and on police reports hints at a life lived in the margins and surrounded by questionable people. Hernandez also admitted to NFL teams that he failed numerous drug tests prior to the 2010 NFL Draft. That disclosure combined with multiple NFL personnel sources telling SI.com that some teams had concerns that Hernandez was associated with some people with gang ties, reveals why so many teams passed on Hernandez in that draft.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130620/aaron-hernandez-new-details/#ixzz2Wolcd8eH
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  • Things are not looking good for Hernandez. There is a ton of incriminating evidence being discovered as well as a checkered past that has reveled itself.
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  • This dude is a thug , no doubt in my mind him or one of his goons put a bullet in the back of his sister-in laws boyfriends dome.
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  • Now this is the first time I'll agree with calling someone a thug.
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  • Manbearpig99 wrote:They are reporting that he is being sued for shooting a man in Miami earlier this year. The first suit was withdrawn, but evidently it is being refiled. There might be something pretty bad here. The guy reportedly lost his eye.

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    How is it even possible to shoot a man in the FACE, with a GUN so that he loses an EYE and not be in prison for 10 years already? How can such a enormously severe crime (WAAAAAY worse than bank robbery, any kind of money crime etc etc) be about "a lawsuit"?!?!?!?!?

    And i saw someone say that you hope he gets convicted for the murder and go to jail for 5 years. FIVE?!?!? This is supposed to be AMERICA, the country that seemingly puts every murderer att Death row or life sentence. But because you are famous and rich and have good lawyers you somehow get FIVE?

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  • pnwhawk25 wrote:Things are not looking good for Hernandez. There is a ton of incriminating evidence being discovered as well as a checkered past that has reveled itself.

    His past was well known for example Baltimore removed both Gronk and Hernandez from their board even though they needed TE's they just went with different players. I am not sure he won't get away with it given he has good lawyers and many football players have done really bad things and never got punished or just punished lightly.
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  • It's either ironic or hilarious justice or both that Hernandez installed a surveillance security system to catch potential criminals...

    and then it caught him being a criminal. Allegedly.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/tennessees_tragic_trio_donte_stallworth_leonard_little_dwayne_goodrich/721486

    Leonard Little, Dante Stallworth, and Dwayne Goodrich all killed people and had very light penalties. Hernandez could easily get convicted and serve almost no time...


    The primary difference here is that all three of those guys killed someone while driving under the influence. The concept of intent comes into play here. It doesn't sound as if Odin Lloyd's death was some accident, as reports indicate that he was shot multiple times.

    Not to mention that at least in Stallworth's case, there was evidence that the pedestrian he struck was attempting to cross a busy causeway while not in a crosswalk, so while Stallworth was absolutely acting irresponsibly by driving drunk, there were other factors that contributed to that incident.
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  • Intent is overrated, IMO. If your child is killed by a drunk driver, you're not going to care that it wasn't intentional; your child is dead either way by someone else's actions, and your life is irrevocably changed the same way whether it was intentional or not.

    We need to punish ignorance that leads to horrible things more in society than we do, in my opinion.

    Also, news update about Hernandez:

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    Update: Police have prepared arrest warrant for Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez for obstruction of justice, per ABC News.
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  • I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.
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  • Swedishhawkfan wrote:
    Manbearpig99 wrote:They are reporting that he is being sued for shooting a man in Miami earlier this year. The first suit was withdrawn, but evidently it is being refiled. There might be something pretty bad here. The guy reportedly lost his eye.

    Chris


    How is it even possible to shoot a man in the FACE, with a GUN so that he loses an EYE and not be in prison for 10 years already? How can such a enormously severe crime (WAAAAAY worse than bank robbery, any kind of money crime etc etc) be about "a lawsuit"?!?!?!?!?

    And i saw someone say that you hope he gets convicted for the murder and go to jail for 5 years. FIVE?!?!? This is supposed to be AMERICA, the country that seemingly puts every murderer att Death row or life sentence. But because you are famous and rich and have good lawyers you somehow get FIVE?



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    The guy who claims to been shot in the arm and then the bullet bounced and took out an eye refused to cooperate with the police. He never said a name or anything. I'm guessing the plan was to keep in quiet and just recieve money. But in light of Hernedez recent problems all this stuff is coming out.

    Also- I just read on pft that during his rookie season he threatened to F*** up Wes Weller , lol.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/tennessees_tragic_trio_donte_stallworth_leonard_little_dwayne_goodrich/721486

    Leonard Little, Dante Stallworth, and Dwayne Goodrich all killed people and had very light penalties. Hernandez could easily get convicted and serve almost no time...


    If I recall Dante Stallworth's case was a bit different. While over the legal limit, the victim was actually the cause of the accident. He darted out between cars right into Stallworth's path. There was no way to avoid the accident. Under the law, it didn't matter, Stallworth was driving while legally over the limit.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Intent is overrated, IMO. If your child is killed by a drunk driver, you're not going to care that it wasn't intentional; your child is dead either way by someone else's actions, and your life is irrevocably changed the same way whether it was intentional or not.

    We need to punish ignorance that leads to horrible things more in society than we do, in my opinion.

    Also, news update about Hernandez:

    Adam Schefter
    Update: Police have prepared arrest warrant for Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez for obstruction of justice, per ABC News.


    Unintentional injuries that are caused by someone doing an illegal activity, like drunk driving, is punished a lot more severally than unintentional actions where its really just kind of an accident. Like a typical car crash where one driver was at fault.

    So its important that you differenciate. I agree that unintentional injuries that are caused by negligent actions should be looked at like your example and should be punished severally. By on the other hand we might have to give leeway to people who arent negligent but are just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time, at the risk of turning into a vendetta state that just punishes its people people on how much damage he or she caused.

    The risk with what you're saying, imo, in in charging people based on the size of the injured party's vendetta.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Intent is overrated, IMO. If your child is killed by a drunk driver, you're not going to care that it wasn't intentional; your child is dead either way by someone else's actions, and your life is irrevocably changed the same way whether it was intentional or not.


    And if my child is killed by a driver who had a tire blow out and lost control of the car while going the approved speed limit and stone-cold sober, my life is still irrevocably changed. So how do we punish that guy? :|

    If a diner sitting out on a restaurant's patio leaves a $10 tip and some guy comes by and takes it, is that the same as if the tip is blown half a block away by a gust of wind and someone else finds the tip laying on the sidewalk? The waiter is still out the $10.

    Intent is crucial and important. Now, that's not to say that a drunk driver shouldn't be punished, because their choice to drive drunk made them a significantly more dangerous force than random guy behind the wheel. But a guy driving drunk and hitting someone in an accident is a world different from taking someone and putting two bullets in their skull (and THAT is a world different from putting two bullets in the skull of someone who is coming at you with a machete - again, there's intent).
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  • Chukarhawk wrote:I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.


    I actually agree with you here.

    The key is hernandez absolutely does have a history of violent behavior. The fact he has a separate lawsuit for shooting a guy shows he absolutely should not be in society. He's a punk to the highest degree.

    You absolutely cannot let a guy who has this pattern get a slap on he wrist.
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  • Volsung/Realjohn, I feel like negligence or illegal activities were implied in my statement, but if not, then let me clarify; if you're doing something the vast majority of people would consider negligent that led to someone's death, intent shouldn't matter very much at all.

    Also, our state's vehicular homicide laws are incredibly lenient, Realjohn.
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  • Chukarhawk wrote:I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.

    I will believe it when I see it. Too many times have athletes gotten off with nothing for me to believe that it's any sure thing he will get punished as he should if convicted.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    Chukarhawk wrote:I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.

    I will believe it when I see it. Too many times have athletes gotten off with nothing for me to believe that it's any sure thing he will get punished as he should if convicted.


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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
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    Chukarhawk wrote:I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.

    I will believe it when I see it. Too many times have athletes gotten off with nothing for me to believe that it's any sure thing he will get punished as he should if convicted.


    *Raises glass to the realistic person in the room*


    Yup, totally agree. Truckload of cases of people having enough cash and the right lawyers to escape anything.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    Chukarhawk wrote:I predict he goes down HARD. No light sentence here.

    I will believe it when I see it. Too many times have people with money gotten off with nothing for me to believe that it's any sure thing he will get punished as he should if convicted.
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  • Plaxico shot himself by accident and went to jail for a while, Hernandez will be gone for a couple at minimum.
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  • Hoping instigators don't mess up and land the wrong perp, whoever that may be.
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  • if Ray Lewis could get away with it, then maybe.........
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  • Axx wrote:if Ray Lewis could get away with it, then maybe.........



    Ray Lewis wasn't directly involved. He provided transportation for the murderers that were friends of his away from the scene of the crime in his limo.

    After he was arrested as an accessory he made a deal with the police to testify against his friends and was cut loose and charges of accessory was dropped. He then basically reneged with ineffective testimony which caused the guys to be found not guilty.

    So he didn't participate but made it possible for the killers to get off. Strangely enough now no one seems to want to remember.

    I've railed against him since that time but no one listens. I think he's a jerk but not in the same category as it appears this guy is.

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  • Holy smokes, it's all falling apart for him now. This appears to be exceedingly serious.
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  • Arrest want issued, sponsors bailing. Not looking good for Hernandez.
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  • The longer this goes with no arrest, the likelier he gets off. Seriously, unless all the stuff we've heard is totally bunk, how is Hernandez not in custody right now? Why have we not heard about the other two guys? Why the sudden media quiet? Either the cover-up is fully underway or the whole thing has been badly botched.

    Does anyone think that if it was any one of us average citizens instead of a wealthy professional athlete that we would still be free at this point?
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  • HawkAroundTheClock wrote:The longer this goes with no arrest, the likelier he gets off. Seriously, unless all the stuff we've heard is totally bunk, how is Hernandez not in custody right now? Why have we not heard about the other two guys? Why the sudden media quiet? Either the cover-up is fully underway or the whole thing has been badly botched.

    Does anyone think that if it was any one of us average citizens instead of a wealthy professional athlete that we would still be free at this point?



    The longer this goes the more concrete I think the case against him will be IMO. They know exactly where he is and he isn't going anywhere. I think they want theor case air tight before they bring him in.
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  • I'm wondering if the police are just being cautious with the whole situation because they know he's a celebrity and that he can afford good lawyers. Who knows.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    HawkAroundTheClock wrote:The longer this goes with no arrest, the likelier he gets off. Seriously, unless all the stuff we've heard is totally bunk, how is Hernandez not in custody right now? Why have we not heard about the other two guys? Why the sudden media quiet? Either the cover-up is fully underway or the whole thing has been badly botched.

    Does anyone think that if it was any one of us average citizens instead of a wealthy professional athlete that we would still be free at this point?



    The longer this goes the more concrete I think the case against him will be IMO. They know exactly where he is and he isn't going anywhere. I think they want theor case air tight before they bring him in.


    Cool take. I truly like the optimism.

    I just can't shake the feeling that if they found my buddy (essentially my bro-in-law) murdered within a mile of my house, with my rental car nearby, after a night of clubbing together, and I had hired a cleaning crew to scrub my house and I destroyed my video surveillance system and my phone before police could check them, that I would be sitting in a holding cell like immediately. The fact that I had been questioned in a previous shooting and that I was facing a new lawsuit for an alleged shooting from just 4 months ago would just be more incentive for the cops to hustle on getting whatever warrant they needed to get me into custody. Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks like a perfect example of America's two justice systems: the one for rich mofos, and the one for the rest of us.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    HawkAroundTheClock wrote:The longer this goes with no arrest, the likelier he gets off. Seriously, unless all the stuff we've heard is totally bunk, how is Hernandez not in custody right now? Why have we not heard about the other two guys? Why the sudden media quiet? Either the cover-up is fully underway or the whole thing has been badly botched.

    Does anyone think that if it was any one of us average citizens instead of a wealthy professional athlete that we would still be free at this point?



    The longer this goes the more concrete I think the case against him will be IMO. They know exactly where he is and he isn't going anywhere. I think they want theor case air tight before they bring him in.

    This would be my thought. I am in wait and see mode because you never know how jury trials can turn out in any case.
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  • If OJ could get away with it then maybe......
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  • Axx wrote:If OJ could get away with it then maybe......



    He is no Juice.
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  • whatever happened to cleaning up your own murder scene. Obvs he's never seen Pulp Fiction... cant believe he hired cleaners.
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  • First Tim Tebow now this, I bet you the Jets fan are happy that the circus moved north
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