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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:50 pm
  • ALLLLLLLLLLLL you say? Have to watched you say? Riddle me this Batman, how many coaches are on the Competition Committee? The players hate the rule changes but they propose them hahaha. This is hilarious.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:08 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:LOL you just said don't blame the coaches. The coaches are the nfl rules committee and they do vote. They do decide which rules go up for vote. Roger decides what gos up for the voting(to the coaches) and legal reasons dictate that. So the ball starts rolling with roger. The Ex players with there pussy, I made millions of dollars and got a concussion law suit is a lot of the problem. So in case you didn't know don't say blame the nfl rules committee and not the coaches, when then committee is full of coaches(and a few gms).


    People say this, and it irritates me to no end.

    Most of the players that are part of that suit did not make millions, as they played long before the NFL adopted free agency AND overtook baseball as America's most popular game.

    Furthermore, many players WERE mistreated by negligent coaches and team doctors that sent them back into games after they had concussions, whether mild or severe. The sort of name-calling that you engaged in within your post is part of the mentality that got these players hurt in the first place, as it is part of the culture of sports that, while I enjoy aspects of it, leads to guys doing moronic things like this to save face (or their jobs, depending on how old-school the coach is).

    Finally, it really, really, really irritates me when people act like making millions of dollars exempts you from being able to speak out if you feel that you have been mistreated.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:25 pm
  • It irritates me to no end that 1000 jobs in America, and god knows how many globaly have people being abused. Everyday you wake up these people get bang in the poop shoot. I wasn't debating men getting compensated or even leaving a game when they have a concusion. If you take on a job with a inherit risk then so be it. millions of people everyday have to do it. Adverage joes from all around the world have to risk there body and life all the time. These people cant afford the legal fees to get OVER represented. IM really glad that majority of americans are willing to support rich people getting represented and treated better then the average person. When I read this dumb blind following shit it makes me sick to my stomach how you cant think for your self. Again stone cold I said coaches/managers on the competiton committee go ahead and count them. If you can count to 10 you would realize how stupid you are.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:11 am
  • So... back on topic...

    Would you go watch 8 Jags games if you were based abroad, simply because you happened to be there?

    Or would you opt to hand over what works out at $156 to watch every Seahawks game from your couch?

    I've watched NFL at Wembley. It's a fun night. The fans treat it as a special occasion. But they're also glued to their smartphones keeping an eye on their own team's game.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:59 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:I support Goodell in almost every thing he does. But I think this is a horrible idea. I hate it.

    A few years back if you had asked me about the likelihood of an NFL franchise in London, I'd have said, sometime in my lifetime, maybe in the next 25 years. Ask me now, and I'd say we'll see football -- American football -- being played on Sundays at Wembley Stadium within the next 10 years (possibly 5 to 7), and, yes, the Jacksonville Jaguars are the team numerous well-connected NFL people have tabbed as the most likely to land there.


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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:15 am
  • Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:31 am
  • Glasgow Seahawk wrote:
    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We just assume we would kick the shit out of the Glascow team, I guess.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:33 am
  • I think the idea continues to get floated out there because Goodell wants to see someone make a push for it. I think most potential owners know that it'd be a completely futile effort (especially when L.A does not have a football team and getting one stabilized there would be FAR more lucrative), so it's something that we'll remember as, "Hey remember when Goodell kept trying to push this idea and no one wanted to do it?"
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:24 am
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:29 am
  • I have been to all the Regular Season Wembley games and have bought tickets to the two forthcoming games. If there were to be three games a season I would probally go to all those as well. I do live not that far from Wembley myself, however fans do travel from all other the UK and Europe. If there were to be eight games I would consider a season ticket if the price was reasonable.

    If there was to be a team in London, another venue could be the Olympic Stadium at Stratford.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:59 am
  • There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:00 pm
  • uncle fester wrote:So... back on topic...

    Would you go watch 8 Jags games if you were based abroad, simply because you happened to be there?

    Or would you opt to hand over what works out at $156 to watch every Seahawks game from your couch?

    I've watched NFL at Wembley. It's a fun night. The fans treat it as a special occasion. But they're also glued to their smartphones keeping an eye on their own team's game.


    This is my thinking. I would never switch from watching the Seahawks. For this reason, I think you would have to give a London team 10 years before you would have a legitimate fan base. Still, there is more chance of this happening in 10 years in London than 10 years in J'ville.

    People suggesting Germany as a base are ignoring the fact that US troop commitments there are presumably going to diminish. And to say players won't live in London overlooks the fact that it makes about as much sense as living in Seattle, particularly if a tax incentive was put in place. Leaving aside language, IMO the key to the NFL unlocking the world market is having a successful franchise in Asia. That would be huge.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:14 pm
  • DogfaceK wrote:There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.


    Basically like an expanded playoff bracket? The winner of the Super Bowl would play in the World Bowl? I'm not sure the NFL would want that.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:47 pm
  • Glasgow Seahawk wrote:
    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:21 pm
  • cockeyhawk wrote:It irritates me to no end that 1000 jobs in America, and god knows how many globaly have people being abused. Everyday you wake up these people get bang in the poop shoot. I wasn't debating men getting compensated or even leaving a game when they have a concusion. If you take on a job with a inherit risk then so be it. millions of people everyday have to do it. Adverage joes from all around the world have to risk there body and life all the time. These people cant afford the legal fees to get OVER represented. IM really glad that majority of americans are willing to support rich people getting represented and treated better then the average person. When I read this dumb blind following shit it makes me sick to my stomach how you cant think for your self. Again stone cold I said coaches/managers on the competiton committee go ahead and count them. If you can count to 10 you would realize how stupid you are.


    You might want to tone it down a bit. Cursing, name-calling and disrespect toward fellow posters is frowned upon here. This is a cool community. Chill out a bit, smoke a bowl if you have to, but learn to treat your fellow posters with a bit of respect if you want to stick around.

    And as a practicing neurologist, I find your analogy lacking. Show me any other career where a "worker" faces the risk of multiple concussions per year. Outside of vehicular accidents, the most common source of TBI (traumatic brain injuries) is sports - generally football, hockey and fighting sports.

    This phenomenon was recognized many years ago in our field, and many various organizations of neurologists, neurosurgeons and other doctors have attempted to educate the American public on the very serious problems posed. We have pushed for the adoption of new rules and safety equipment to help protect athletes.

    Roger Goodell is the first professional sports commissioner to come to the medical community and ask us how to fix this problem. He is the first to seriously try to reduce the risk to his employees and protect their health. Whether this is the result of lawsuits or simply goodwill doesn't matter. Goodell has taken these steps in the face of severe criticism and even defiance from the players themselves, and my colleagues and I applaud him for his efforts.

    Your attempt to label athletes as "pussies" because of concerns about concussions is particularly ignorant. There is no way an athlete can condition themselves to avoid the long-term health effects of repeated head injuries. And if you had even the slightest knowledge of or experience with what that looks like, you would understand the foolishness of your statement.

    For instance, did you know that one of the long-term effects of multiple head injuries is uncontrollable homicidal urges and behavior? Do you have any idea how many serious murders have been committed by people suffering from brain trauma? Did you know that up to a quarter of the seriously criminally insane patients at Western State Hospital are believed to have committed their heinous crimes as the result of TBI? I think if you were exposed to even a few of these cases, it would dramatically change your view of head injuries. I wish I was allowed to describe some of the cases I've seen, the horror of those cases might quench a bit of your bloodlust and open your eyes to the real tragedy that can result.


    And to post on topic:

    It seems ludicrous to me as well that we would have a team in London. How would travel be handled? I can barely function for a week after flying to Europe, and vice-versa when I return. The only way it would work is if we had a full-fledged league in Europe, and that has already been attempted (and failed).
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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:28 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions


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Re: The London Jaguars
Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:50 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    Glasgow Seahawk wrote:
    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


    We have by far the best leagues in those sports, so they pretty much are world champions


    That's because no one else outside of America really plays them professionally. Soccer is pretty much the only sport that matters to the rest of the world.

    Outside of Japan and America who plays baseball? Cricket is played in countries that don't play baseball.

    Who plays professional American football outside of America? No one because everyone else plays rugby, Aussie rules or a form of football.

    Foreign players are only starting to become more common in Basketball but it would be embarrassing if America didn't win gold at the Olympics every time as know other country has a top professional league.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:03 am
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    Bakergirl wrote:Goodell forgot this is the "National Football League" not the "International Football League." What a dope. :mrgreen:


    Americans seem to forget this when football, baseball and basketball champions are referred to as "world champions"


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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:14 am
  • I've spent a the best part of the last decade living both in and near to London . I'm pretty sports obsessed and have been to loads of different sporting events while I've been here and would be astonished if an NFL team was ever successful here. I can not see them being able to sell anywhere near 70000 tickets for 8 games, even if they made the tickets fairly cheap. Most sports fans I know would attend once or twice as a novelty but are generally happy supporting whichever soccer (sic) or rugby team they follow and would be unlikely to invest significant time or money into another sport. I'm guessing that even the most ardent NFL fans in the UK would struggle to attend more than a couple of games a season. Especially if they inherit a rubbish team.

    I'd be willing to bet that a London team would be a disaster in almost every aspect.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:10 am
  • DogfaceK wrote:There's no way one team would work; travel would be beyond ridiculous. Send a bunch of teams over there and have them play each other exclusively. Create a "USA Conference" and a "European Conference", then have them play in the World Bowl.

    I agree with this but it has already been tried and failed. Goodell would be better served in getting a team back in Los Angeles and stop with this team in Europe nonsense.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:47 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I support Goodell in almost every thing he does. But I think this is a horrible idea. I hate it.

    A few years back if you had asked me about the likelihood of an NFL franchise in London, I'd have said, sometime in my lifetime, maybe in the next 25 years. Ask me now, and I'd say we'll see football -- American football -- being played on Sundays at Wembley Stadium within the next 10 years (possibly 5 to 7), and, yes, the Jacksonville Jaguars are the team numerous well-connected NFL people have tabbed as the most likely to land there.


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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:33 pm
  • I'd rather Tebow start somewhere, honestly. I mean, if Rog's into forcing things for the NFL, that's my preference.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:05 pm
  • I wonder how the people of London would feel about the English Premier League putting a team in New York City.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:11 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I wonder how the people of London would feel about the English Premier League putting a team in New York City.


    A lot more strongly than they would about acquiring an NFL team.

    There are countless cities in the US where the NFL would have a better chance of success and whose residents would fell more excited about acquiring a team.

    As a UK NFL fan, I believe that the NFL must stay in America. It seems so gimicky to have the league expanding to another continent. I don't think the travel is as big a deal as some do, for the other 31 teams anyway. The Super XV and Tri-Nations rugby tournaments are made up of teams from literally the whole way across the Southern Hemisphere (NZ, Australia, South Africa and Argentina), but that's not the point; the NFL should not move overseas.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:45 am
  • Too many references to the word 'soccer' in this thread. It's football.

    No way would I switch allegiance to a London team and most people would feel the same, don't think it would be a great success and don't want it
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:09 am
  • I HATE, HATE, HATE the idea of a team being in Europe. That being said, if my team was playing there I'd be watching it. But really, the bottom line is travel. If the NFL makes amends for teams that have to travel over there, say having the bye week after the game, maybe I'd be okay with it. But it would SUCK big time for team in Europe to have to always travel so far for their away games.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:00 pm
  • Players don't want to be on a team I'm London aNymore than a good basketball player wants to be in Toronto. Maybe less.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:56 pm
  • My worry would be that if expansion into Europe was a success and other nations wanted NFL teams of their own, that would make non-major market NFL teams like ours more vulnerable to relocation in the short term, though I think in the long term you'd eventually see major expansion of the league (a European conference, an Asian Conference, etc. etc. to join the AFC and NFC). If it ever got that far.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:14 am
  • kearly wrote:My worry would be that if expansion into Europe was a success and other nations wanted NFL teams of their own, that would make non-major market NFL teams like ours more vulnerable to relocation in the short term, though I think in the long term you'd eventually see major expansion of the league (a European conference, an Asian Conference, etc. etc. to join the AFC and NFC). If it ever got that far.

    From the British fans of the NFL that I know they say it would never fly. A couple of games in London viewed as a curiousity and kind of a destination during a vacation is one thing but having a team with 8 dates a year is quite another deal. Not factoring in things like language barriers and exchange rates among just a few issues.

    It's a pipedream and Goodell knows it.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:11 am
  • Storts wrote:Too many references to the word 'soccer' in this thread. It's football.


    While I understand your gripe, you're also on an American football message board, and as such, football references the NFL here so we'll use the American vernacular to describe the Beautiful Game, OK?
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:58 am
  • The actual name of the sport is Association Football, as it is played to rules written by the Football Assocation.

    Rugby Football can be either Union or League, depending on whether the rules being played to were codified by the Rugby Football League or Rugby Football Union.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:50 pm
  • Hey Rog,
    Instead of talking about something as logistically difficult as a team in London, why don't you do something besides the lawyer lip service thing when it comes to player safety and make that POS Snyder put field turf at FedEx. While your at it, do the same at Soldier Field and any other stadium with a sub-standard playing surface.
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Re: The London Jaguars
Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:29 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:I support Goodell in almost every thing he does.


    At this point, I stopped listening to what you had to say.
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