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  • This has always been one of the most periods of the year, so sometimes i post to pass the time, such as i am now.

    If you could pluck one player off the roster of each other team within the division to add to your own roster, who would it be?

    San Fransisco - Aldon Smith

    Though the Rams have Dunbar who played better then expected last year, Smith is in a league of his own and would be an absolute terror when teamed with JLau and Ogletree(if he pans out, fingers crossed).

    I considered Bowman and Willis, but Jlau is more than serviceable. Justin Smith was an option, but why waste the pick on a DE when Smith is a major upgrade over Dunbar? Besides those mentioned, none of the other 49er players really popped out for me.

    Arizona - Larry Fitzgerald

    Is that choice to easy? yes.
    D. Washington was a strong candidate, but i already grabbed Aldon Smith. Patrick Peterson was another option, but he coverage skills are not as good as they should be. Fitzgerald is the obvious choice for the Rams in this case.

    Seattle - Earl Thomas

    Earl Thomas fills the greatest need for my Rams. Dahl and Mikell(starting safeties from alst year) are gone and we drafted T.J. McDonald to fill one of those voids, i presume at SS. This leaves the door wide open at FS for either Darian Stewart or McCleod or UDFA Cody Davis. Having a two time pro-bowler man our last line of defense would be awesome for me.

    Sherman was a strong candidate, but our need at safety outweighed Shermans skill.


    *You might wonder why i didn't choose Kaep or Wilson, it is because i still have faith in Bradford and with the many new weapons and same Offensive system i want to see what he can do.


    So who are the players you would take to add to your roster?
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  • 49ers - Willis or Vernon Davis. I'd move Wagner outside and plug Willis in the middle. Vernon with Zach Miller would give us the best TE's in the league. Yes better than you New England.

    Rams - Chris Long. Easily the Rams best player. Honorable mention to Janoris Jenkins, he's a good player but plays the one position we may be the strongest at.

    Cardinals - Fitzgerald. Nobody else even worth discussing.

    Edit: I got to thinking about it. Tom Cable could convince me to take Mike Iupati. It makes sense and Tom Cable intimidates me a bit.
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  • Rams - Janoris Jenkins, we really don't need him, but him across from Sherman? lawd hammercy

    AZ - Calais Campbell, a lot of people are gonna say Fitzgerald, and rightfully so, he's a future HOFer

    49ers - Can we just dispose of them all? I'll take Patrick Willis though, as he'd be the only guy I'd move Wagner outside for.
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  • Ram's - Chris Long - or Bradford as a back up to wilson.. he's better than Quinn...

    SF - Aldon Smith.. i actually like Vernon Davis better as a player, but Aldon fills our needs more at this time

    AZ - Palmer for a back up to Wilson - we're so stacked at reciever right now , don't see a need for Fitz
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  • Rams - Brockers or Long (Jenkins, since you can never have enough DBs)

    SF - Bowman (Davis would be another option for me)

    AZ - C Campbell (or D Washington since getting suspended for PEDs is the in thing ... j/k)
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  • Rams: Chris Long. Long term Answer to replacing an aging Justin Smith.

    Seattle: Earl Thomas. IMO, the best FS in the league.

    Arizona: I probably would have said Campbell, but right now given Niner injury situation I'd say Fitz.
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  • I can kind of understand keeping Bradford over Kaepernick since Kaep is a system guy, but if you could take any Seahawk for the Rams you'd be crazy not to take Wilson, IMO.

    Rams-

    Jake Long. One of the NFL's most under-rated players, IMO. Easiest pick from the entire division.

    SF-

    Patrick Willis. What's crazy is that there isn't a 49ers player that really jumps out to me as a huge upgrade. I think Willis' strong inside presence and well rounded game would help Seattle the most. Wagner would be a killer WLB. Was tempted to name Bowman but I think he'd be redundant with KJ Wright.

    Cardinals-

    Patrick Peterson. I think Peterson is one of the league's more over-rated players, but I think part of that is on motivation and coaching. I'd be curious to see what Pete could turn him into. Also, Harvin/Peterson as a KR/PR duo. Washington is a good choice but I don't think we need him. As much as I like Campbell we have a similar player now in Bennett. Fitz is getting old, had a terrible season last year, and comes with a backbreaking contract. Class act and all that, but no thanks.
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  • Long, Iupati, Patrick Peterson; though I think he's overrated like Kearly said.
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  • kearly wrote:I can kind of understand keeping Bradford over Kaepernick since Kaep is a system guy, but if you could take any Seahawk for the Rams you'd be crazy not to take Wilson, IMO.


    I understand what your saying and i did debate it a little. Wilson had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever, i just want to see more of him before i'd make that choice.

    Also, we don't have anyone proven at FS, it is a great unknown. Last year Craig Dahl was the starter, and jesus, did we die a little inside everytime he got near the ball. Our need for a proven, multi pro bowl, All pro safety out weighs our "maybe" need at QB. Bradford didn't do bad this year, i admit he didn't light it up or anything, but he was more then serviceable and did show improvement, the same could not, and cannot be said about our FS position.
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  • kearly wrote:I can kind of understand keeping Bradford over Kaepernick since Kaep is a system guy, but if you could take any Seahawk for the Rams you'd be crazy not to take Wilson, IMO.

    Rams-

    Jake Long. One of the NFL's most under-rated players, IMO. Easiest pick from the entire division.

    SF-

    Patrick Willis. What's crazy is that there isn't a 49ers player that really jumps out to me as a huge upgrade. I think Willis' strong inside presence and well rounded game would help Seattle the most. Wagner would be a killer WLB. Was tempted to name Bowman but I think he'd be redundant with KJ Wright.

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    Patrick Peterson. I think Peterson is one of the league's more over-rated players, but I think part of that is on motivation and coaching. I'd be curious to see what Pete could turn him into. Also, Harvin/Peterson as a KR/PR duo. Washington is a good choice but I don't think we need him. As much as I like Campbell we have a similar player now in Bennett. Fitz is getting old, had a terrible season last year, and comes with a backbreaking contract. Class act and all that, but no thanks.


    I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.

    As for your Willis quote I kinda had the same issue and the secondary was the only spot on the team where I saw an advantage. I thought about RB and while I think Lynch is probably a better #1 at this point in Gores career, I really like the SF depth there. I know Seattle has dept as well....but RB wasn't enough of an upgrade for me to pick Lynch
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  • Fitz the Ram wrote:
    kearly wrote:I can kind of understand keeping Bradford over Kaepernick since Kaep is a system guy, but if you could take any Seahawk for the Rams you'd be crazy not to take Wilson, IMO.


    I understand what your saying and i did debate it a little. Wilson had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever, i just want to see more of him before i'd make that choice.

    Also, we don't have anyone proven at FS, it is a great unknown. Last year Craig Dahl was the starter, and jesus, did we die a little inside everytime he got near the ball. Our need for a proven, multi pro bowl, All pro safety out weighs our "maybe" need at QB. Bradford didn't do bad this year, i admit he didn't light it up or anything, but he was more then serviceable and did show improvement, the same could not, and cannot be said about our FS position.


    LOL...to say that 49er fans were puzzled by the Dahl signing was an understatement. I think he's in SF mostly to be a reserve at safety and to play ST. Hopefully, Reid can play well as a rookie. I chose Thomas as well tho because I think he's the best FS in the NFL.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:LOL...to say that 49er fans were puzzled by the Dahl signing was an understatement. I think he's in SF mostly to be a reserve at safety and to play ST. Hopefully, Reid can play well as a rookie. I chose Thomas as well tho because I think he's the best FS in the NFL.


    We were so freaking happy when the 49ers picked him, we prayed that he was going to be starting lololol. Unfortunately you are likely right in your assessment that he will be a back up/ST player.
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  • Long.
    Fitz.
    LMJ. (I don't think he's the best player on their roster or a need for the Seahawks but we're already winning multiple Super Bowls with our current roster plus Long and Fitz, so i'm saving Lamichael from Harbaugh).
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  • Rams: Jake Long--duh.

    Cardinals: Daryl Washington--We can always use a team's best tackler, he probably will take KJ's spot. He's a cheaper bet than Fitz too.

    9'ers: Vernon Davis--take their best weapon and we get another stud TE. win-win.
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  • Fitz the Ram wrote:I understand what your saying and i did debate it a little. Wilson had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever, i just want to see more of him before i'd make that choice.



    This is VERY understandable being a Rams fan........
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  • Marvin49 wrote:I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.



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  • mikeak wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.



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  • Iupati, Fitz, and Long. Easy call for me.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:SMDH.


    Not to hard don't want to cause any further damage :lol:
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  • Marvin49 wrote:I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.



    Perhaps Wilson "is not" because he played in two different college systems and performed great in both, and then was drafted into a non-similar pro system that evolved quite a bit over the course of his rookie season and was pretty successful in that-he received a LOT of noise in the OROY voting.

    You need to get over your thought that Wilson is only a "read option" QB. He's not.
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  • I would imagine Card fans drool over Wilson. He is certainly the guy they would need the most from the Hawks.
    The Rams, for sure would want to steal Thomas.
    And the Niners could honestly take any player from the LOB and upgrade their secondary. Though if they somehow got their greasy hands on Chancellor, VD might not come out for practice. Also, I could see them coveting Harvin. If they don't yet, they will.

    Interesting to me, not many have coveted Aldon Smith or Justin.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:Interesting to me, not many have coveted Aldon Smith or Justin.


    Two easy answers for these, IMO.

    1) Nobody knows how good Aldon is for sure of his own accord.

    2) Justin Smith's getting old.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Interesting to me, not many have coveted Aldon Smith or Justin.


    Two easy answers for these, IMO.

    1) Nobody knows how good Aldon is for sure of his own accord.

    2) Justin Smith's getting old.


    See...thats what I'm talking about.

    Does Aldon benefit from having Justin next to him? Of course he does. We aren't talking about a guy whos had a couple pretty good years tho. We are talking about a guy who has more sacks in his first 2 years than Reggie White, Derrick Thomas...and everyone else for that matter.

    Other players have played next to a guy as good as Justin and NONE have been close to as productive as Aldon. As a rooke he was .5 sacks from the rookie record and he wasn't even a starter. Last year he was on pace to break the single season record before he and Justin got hurt.

    I know peeps here love to hate on the Niners, but at least give a guy his due. If you would like to see MULTIPLE examples of Aldon dominating a tackle with Justin nowhere in sight...just let me know.
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  • Even scrub backup rushers can catch a tackle off balance sometimes. I'm not saying that's what Aldon Smith is, calm down, but my point is that we haven't seen Aldon without Justin; and you're making a pretty big assumption that guys like Reggie White played next to a dominant guy like Justin Smith in their first couple of years, which I don't think was the case.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Even scrub backup rushers can catch a tackle off balance sometimes. I'm not saying that's what Aldon Smith is, calm down, but my point is that we haven't seen Aldon without Justin; and you're making a pretty big assumption that guys like Reggie White played next to a dominant guy like Justin Smith in their first couple of years, which I don't think was the case.


    That will be a big part of Aldon Smith's development. FWIW, he has been training extensively this offseason, and has appeared to be a much better citizen and much more focused. He has also incorporated some MMA into his game. There's no way to discount the fact that he had 19.5 sacks, all with Justin Smith in the lineup. So it'll be interesting to see how his career goes as Justin's skills start to wane.

    Aldon does have work to do, but he has unique set of power, speed, quickness, and length.

    He also has the most sacks EVER for two seasons. Regardless of the circumstances, that's still really impressive.

    And I find it funny that he's not the guy other teams fans would want. Patrick Willis is great, but honesty Bowman may be better. Vernon has all the physical tools, but he still doesn't have Tony Gonzalez's hands.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Even scrub backup rushers can catch a tackle off balance sometimes. I'm not saying that's what Aldon Smith is, calm down, but my point is that we haven't seen Aldon without Justin; and you're making a pretty big assumption that guys like Reggie White played next to a dominant guy like Justin Smith in their first couple of years, which I don't think was the case.


    I was never saying that Reggie or Thomas played with a guy like Justin. I'm not saying that Aldon is better than those guys. I'm saying 33.5 sacks through his first 2 seasons is astronomical regardless of whom you play next to. :D I could even go farther and say that is probably isn't an entirely fair comparison because teams throw the ball far more often now than they used to and it gives more opportunities for sacks.

    I just get tired of peeps attributing all of Aldons success to Justin (and I know that's not exactly what you're saying). Justin is really good but the guy has 75.5 sacks in TWELVE years compared to 33.5 for Aldon in TWO. Justin has never had a double digit sack year.

    That all good tho because that's not really his game...but I didn't see Parys Haralson or any number of other OLB ripping up the league with Sacks before Aldon came along.
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  • NinerBuff wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:Even scrub backup rushers can catch a tackle off balance sometimes. I'm not saying that's what Aldon Smith is, calm down, but my point is that we haven't seen Aldon without Justin; and you're making a pretty big assumption that guys like Reggie White played next to a dominant guy like Justin Smith in their first couple of years, which I don't think was the case.


    That will be a big part of Aldon Smith's development. FWIW, he has been training extensively this offseason, and has appeared to be a much better citizen and much more focused. He has also incorporated some MMA into his game. There's no way to discount the fact that he had 19.5 sacks, all with Justin Smith in the lineup. So it'll be interesting to see how his career goes as Justin's skills start to wane.

    Aldon does have work to do, but he has unique set of power, speed, quickness, and length.

    He also has the most sacks EVER for two seasons. Regardless of the circumstances, that's still really impressive.

    And I find it funny that he's not the guy other teams fans would want. Patrick Willis is great, but honesty Bowman may be better. Vernon has all the physical tools, but he still doesn't have Tony Gonzalez's hands.


    Gonna have to put the brakes on ya there...lol.

    I love Bowman...but he is NOT better than Pat. They are just playing different roles now and Bo plays closer to the LOS more often than Pat does.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    RolandDeschain wrote:Even scrub backup rushers can catch a tackle off balance sometimes. I'm not saying that's what Aldon Smith is, calm down, but my point is that we haven't seen Aldon without Justin; and you're making a pretty big assumption that guys like Reggie White played next to a dominant guy like Justin Smith in their first couple of years, which I don't think was the case.


    That will be a big part of Aldon Smith's development. FWIW, he has been training extensively this offseason, and has appeared to be a much better citizen and much more focused. He has also incorporated some MMA into his game. There's no way to discount the fact that he had 19.5 sacks, all with Justin Smith in the lineup. So it'll be interesting to see how his career goes as Justin's skills start to wane.

    Aldon does have work to do, but he has unique set of power, speed, quickness, and length.

    He also has the most sacks EVER for two seasons. Regardless of the circumstances, that's still really impressive.

    And I find it funny that he's not the guy other teams fans would want. Patrick Willis is great, but honesty Bowman may be better. Vernon has all the physical tools, but he still doesn't have Tony Gonzalez's hands.


    Gonna have to put the brakes on ya there...lol.

    I love Bowman...but he is NOT better than Pat. They are just playing different roles now and Bo plays closer to the LOS more often than Pat does.


    That's fair, and maybe with the emergence of Bowman, Willis doesn't make as many plays as he did playing next to Takeo, but I feel like Willis isn't as impressive as he was in first 3 seasons he played. He's still really good, and potentially better than Bowman, but the margin isn't great if any.
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  • sutz wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.



    Perhaps Wilson "is not" because he played in two different college systems and performed great in both, and then was drafted into a non-similar pro system that evolved quite a bit over the course of his rookie season and was pretty successful in that-he received a LOT of noise in the OROY voting.

    You need to get over your thought that Wilson is only a "read option" QB. He's not.


    Who said I thought Wilson was only a read-option QB? My issue is that you are saying that Kaep is. Wilson ran the read option more often in the regular season than Kaep did.

    I think both guys would be fine in any offense but the read-option is lethal.
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  • 1st choice:
    Cardinals- Fitzgerald
    49ers- Iupati
    Seahawks- Marshawn Lynch

    2nd choice:
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    49ers- Vernon Davis
    Seahawks- Earl Thomas
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  • Representing Seattle, I'd grab Iupati, Fitz and Long.

    If I was SF, I'd grab Sherman or Earl from us.

    If I was AZI, I'd grab Russell from us.

    If I was STL, I'd grab Earl or Marshawn from us.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    Marvin49 wrote:I think its interesting that Kaep is a "system guy" and Wilson is not? I'd be intersted to hear that explanation.



    Perhaps Wilson "is not" because he played in two different college systems and performed great in both, and then was drafted into a non-similar pro system that evolved quite a bit over the course of his rookie season and was pretty successful in that-he received a LOT of noise in the OROY voting.

    You need to get over your thought that Wilson is only a "read option" QB. He's not.


    Who said I thought Wilson was only a read-option QB? My issue is that you are saying that Kaep is. Wilson ran the read option more often in the regular season than Kaep did.

    I think both guys would be fine in any offense but the read-option is lethal.

    When did I say Kaep was a "read option" QB? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I like the read option, but like any gimmicky system, it will have a short shelf life in the NFL if over used. We almost stopped running it later in the season, and when we lined up and ran it, Wilson almost never kept it over the last few games.

    Mayhap there is some confusion over the Pistol formation, from which the read option is run, and the actual read option. I think they are actually two different things. The Pistol combines the advantages of the shotgun with the I formation, with the caveat that there is a higher chance of bigger losses in the running game, should the DL penetrate well.
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  • sutz wrote:
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    sutz wrote:Perhaps Wilson "is not" because he played in two different college systems and performed great in both, and then was drafted into a non-similar pro system that evolved quite a bit over the course of his rookie season and was pretty successful in that-he received a LOT of noise in the OROY voting.

    You need to get over your thought that Wilson is only a "read option" QB. He's not.


    Who said I thought Wilson was only a read-option QB? My issue is that you are saying that Kaep is. Wilson ran the read option more often in the regular season than Kaep did.

    I think both guys would be fine in any offense but the read-option is lethal.

    When did I say Kaep was a "read option" QB? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I like the read option, but like any gimmicky system, it will have a short shelf life in the NFL if over used. We almost stopped running it later in the season, and when we lined up and ran it, Wilson almost never kept it over the last few games.

    Mayhap there is some confusion over the Pistol formation, from which the read option is run, and the actual read option. I think they are actually two different things. The Pistol combines the advantages of the shotgun with the I formation, with the caveat that there is a higher chance of bigger losses in the running game, should the DL penetrate well.


    You said Kaep was a "system QB".

    I'm not confused about the diff between the Pistol and the Read-Option.
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