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  • RichNhansom wrote:I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.


    Did you miss the Patiorts with Moss and their super high-powered offense going apeshit on teams and winning in beatdowns like 50-10?
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  • Dude, don't give them any hints. It's much more interesting to see them try their little hearts out attempting to make themselves look like they know what they are talking about.
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  • Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

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  • RichNhansom wrote:Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.


    wow, so personal attacks combined with irrelevant haterade. If you can't see how Dorseys run defense is better than Sopoaga's an how Boldin is unquestionably an upgrade over Moss and Dawson an unquestionable upgrade over Akers, thats on you.

    lol, "you hope". So I guess you better "hope" that that Harvin and Avirl and all of Seattles picks ups are all upgrades too.
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  • The whole Akers thing is very debatable. Yeah, he had a pretty bad streak, but he also tied the NFL all-time kick record at 63 yards early in the season, and booted some good long ones at the end, too. I think 49ers fans made him into a bit too much of a scapegoat, personally; but, meh.

    In any case, look@dafilm, yes; we're hoping guys like Avril and Bennett have improved our pass rush. The fact that we were able to have such a dominating defense with a very mediocre pass rush is incredible, and even more incredible when you look at the performance of our secondary. Normally, the performance of any defense's secondary is closely linked to its ability to pressure the QB, but not ours. If we can improve our pass rush by a good margin, people might talk about the '13 Seahawks down the road instead of the '85 Bears. I said "if", so take it easy.

    However, one thing that is not in dispute is Percy Harvin. He is a clear upgrade and would be for any team in the league; there's no "hope" in regard to him. He's a supremely dynamic player and still very young, and now he's got a real QB to throw him the pigskin.
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  • Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT
    I don't know about the other players but if the 49ers are counting on Dorsey to be anything but a waste they're going to be sorely disappointed.
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  • Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:The whole Akers thing is very debatable. Yeah, he had a pretty bad streak, but he also tied the NFL all-time kick record at 63 yards early in the season, and booted some good long ones at the end, too. I think 49ers fans made him into a bit too much of a scapegoat, personally; but, meh.


    It's actually not debatable whatsoever. He had the 2nd lowest FG % in the league behind only Mason Crosby, and was 2/7 from 40+ yards in the final 2 months of the season when the team needed him. He missed 3 field goals in the Rams games that cost the team victories in both, and missed another sub 40-yard field goal against the Falcons that could've cost them the game. I don't know what good long kicks you saw him make at the end, but I think everyone else missed them.

    Akers was awesome in 2011 and a complete liability in 2012. He had an injury, so maybe he'll bounce back this following year, but pretending he was anything other than terrible this last year just because he made a 63 yard kick is pretty dishonest.
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  • Spokane wrote:Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:


    So obviously don't know why they took a 6th for him though it was publicly explained.
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  • Spokane wrote:Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:


    Hmmm.. Boldin's washed up? Ya not seeing that.
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  • Disp wrote:Akers was awesome in 2011 and a complete liability in 2012. He had an injury, so maybe he'll bounce back this following year, but pretending he was anything other than terrible this last year just because he made a 63 yard kick is pretty dishonest.


    He was tied for 28th in the league with - guess who - Seahawks kicker Steven Hauschka for field goal rating. Akers had a 69.0% hit percentage, Hauschka had 88.9% of his field goal attempts made. You know how they wound up with the same field goal rating? Most likely, poor special teams unit performance. They don't only penalize the kicker for things like blocked field goals, tipped balls, poor handling of the snap by the placeholder, etc.

    Akers was #6 in the league for kickoff ranking by PFF, and he was injured. Akers returning to health, and your coaching staff working on special teams a bit for field goal attempts should result in Akers having a significantly better year in 2013, but most 49ers fans want him hanged because they see the dramatic misses. (Without a word about the offense not being able to do its job and get a TD or into better field goal range in the first place.)

    I'm not saying he didn't have a rough year. I am saying that most 49ers fans are putting more blame on him than is warranted. Why not blame your beloved Coach Harbaugh for not replacing him due to his injury? Yeah, that's about what I thought.
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  • hawker84 wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:


    Hmmm.. Boldin's washed up? Ya not seeing that.


    Me either. If the 'hawks had gotten Boldin for a 6 I don't think I'd be seeing too many people here calling him washed up.

    I like how he gave the Hawks an A+ and the Niners an F-.

    Makes it easier to just discount anything he says later.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Disp wrote:Akers was awesome in 2011 and a complete liability in 2012. He had an injury, so maybe he'll bounce back this following year, but pretending he was anything other than terrible this last year just because he made a 63 yard kick is pretty dishonest.


    He was tied for 28th in the league with - guess who - Seahawks kicker Steven Hauschka for field goal rating. Akers had a 69.0% hit percentage, Hauschka had 88.9% of his field goal attempts made. You know how they wound up with the same field goal rating? Most likely, poor special teams unit performance. They don't only penalize the kicker for things like blocked field goals, tipped balls, poor handling of the snap by the placeholder, etc.

    Akers was #6 in the league for kickoff ranking by PFF, and he was injured. Akers returning to health, and your coaching staff working on special teams a bit for field goal attempts should result in Akers having a significantly better year in 2013, but most 49ers fans want him hanged because they see the dramatic misses. (Without a word about the offense not being able to do its job and get a TD or into better field goal range in the first place.)

    I'm not saying he didn't have a rough year. I am saying that most 49ers fans are putting more blame on him than is warranted. Why not blame your beloved Coach Harbaugh for not replacing him due to his injury? Yeah, that's about what I thought.


    Missing two game winning FG in overtime (different games) vs the Rams will do that.

    They did try to replace him with Billy Cundiff. He was worse. Kickers don't grow on trees.
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  • Disp wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:The whole Akers thing is very debatable. Yeah, he had a pretty bad streak, but he also tied the NFL all-time kick record at 63 yards early in the season, and booted some good long ones at the end, too. I think 49ers fans made him into a bit too much of a scapegoat, personally; but, meh.


    It's actually not debatable whatsoever. He had the 2nd lowest FG % in the league behind only Mason Crosby, and was 2/7 from 40+ yards in the final 2 months of the season when the team needed him. He missed 3 field goals in the Rams games that cost the team victories in both, and missed another sub 40-yard field goal against the Falcons that could've cost them the game. I don't know what good long kicks you saw him make at the end, but I think everyone else missed them.

    Akers was awesome in 2011 and a complete liability in 2012. He had an injury, so maybe he'll bounce back this following year, but pretending he was anything other than terrible this last year just because he made a 63 yard kick is pretty dishonest.


    This.

    Akers hit a 63 yard field goal in a game that wasn't close.

    He MISSED 2 FG is separate games in overtime vs the Rams. Those 2 games alone are 2 wins and a 13-3 record.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.


    Actually not. The problem Dorsey had in KC was that he was called upon to 2-gap over a center. Thats the way D-Linemen play in a classic 3-4.

    He won't be called upon to do that in SF. SF runs a 3-4, but their D-Linemen play 1-gap and penetrate...similar to what he did at LSU. Also, while he wasn't the player people thought he would be coming out of school, he was NOT a bad player. He was very good against the run.

    The Niners aren't expecting the player from LSU. They want the run stuffer who played in KC.

    Don't believe me on Dorsey?


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  • Marvin and Disp, have you gone back and analyzed close-up footage of those attempts to make sure the holder was holding it steadily, at the preferred angle, etc. like PFF guys do to figure out how much fault goes towards the kicker on missed kicks?

    I know you haven't, and neither have I; I'm just saying, kicking field goals depends on a lot more than just the kicker. Not trying to put Akers up on a pedestal, but I think you might be throwing him under the bus just a bit much.

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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Marvin and Disp, have you gone back and analyzed close-up footage of those attempts to make sure the holder was holding it steadily, at the preferred angle, etc. like PFF guys do to figure out how much fault goes towards the kicker on missed kicks?

    I know you haven't, and neither have I; I'm just saying, kicking field goals depends on a lot more than just the kicker. Not trying to put Akers up on a pedestal, but I think you might be throwing him under the bus just a bit much.

    *shrug*


    Not really.

    Jennings and Lee (longsnapper and holder) have been here forever. Both have been to the pro bowl. In fact Jennings is now the longest tenured 49er on the roster. Lee is a very good holder. This is the same pair that was there for Akers the year before.

    While it isn't impossible that they had several bad exchanges...its highly unlikely.

    Akers had surgery for a double sports hernia in the offseason. He had that 63 yarder in the first game, but he struggled all year and cost them a few games on missed kicks.

    The Niners kept with him all year...even when he struggled. They signed Cundiff (so had 2 kickers on the roster) and stuck with Akers hoping he would be the guy he was in 2011. It just didn't happen. He even missed one in the Super Bowl and it was called back on a penalty.

    Maybe he comes back from the injury and everything is fine, but I'd take my chances on Phil Dawson (AFC Pro Bowler) over seeing if Akers can get healthy...again.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:He was tied for 28th in the league with - guess who - Seahawks kicker Steven Hauschka for field goal rating. Akers had a 69.0% hit percentage, Hauschka had 88.9% of his field goal attempts made. You know how they wound up with the same field goal rating? Most likely, poor special teams unit performance. They don't only penalize the kicker for things like blocked field goals, tipped balls, poor handling of the snap by the placeholder, etc.


    I guess I don't follow. A player who is rated 31/32 by ESPN and 28/32 by PFF is being scapegoated? You sure that doesn't mean they're legitimately playing terribly? I'm pretty sure even the Jaguars would be looking to upgrade someone rated 28'th in the league at their position. Not only that, but his misses typically came in close score games and late in the game. No one is debating Akers' kickoff ability; it's his field goal kicking.

    I don't have a sub to PFF any more, so can't look at the stats and ratings they have. There's no way I'm going to spend the time diagnose how the ball is held on every field goal. I trust the Niners 13 year veteran who's been to the pro bowl a couple times as a long snapper and 10 year pro bowl holder/punter are getting the job done, and if you're going to throw variables like that into it then you have to do it for the rest of the league.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT
    I don't know about the other players but if the 49ers are counting on Dorsey to be anything but a waste they're going to be sorely disappointed.


    doubtful, as a poster already pointed out Dorsey may not have been a shining star in KC but he is a solid player. Very cheap pickup by Baalke that I expect to pay its dividends. The signing I truly don't get is Dahl. Maybe he was insurance in case they didn't get their guy in the draft but still, not seeing that one working out very well. he signed super cheap though
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  • Marvin49 wrote:Me either. If the 'hawks had gotten Boldin for a 6 I don't think I'd be seeing too many people here calling him washed up.

    I like how he gave the Hawks an A+ and the Niners an F-.

    Makes it easier to just discount anything he says later.


    Are you really crying about a draft grade from an online forum? Its pretty well known that 49er fans are soft, but that is sad Bra!
    I say what I want to say, when I want to say it. Deal with it and stop crying like a B! I really don't want another warning PM so I am going to let you off the hook today. Just as advise, before you look stupid again - do a full research job on the Bell curve grading system before making any (49er fan like/dumb) comments about it.
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  • look@dafilm wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:
    Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT
    I don't know about the other players but if the 49ers are counting on Dorsey to be anything but a waste they're going to be sorely disappointed.


    doubtful, as a poster already pointed out Dorsey may not have been a shining star in KC but he is a solid player. Very cheap pickup by Baalke that I expect to pay its dividends. The signing I truly don't get is Dahl. Maybe he was insurance in case they didn't get their guy in the draft but still, not seeing that one working out very well. he signed super cheap though


    Doubtful? Solid Player? WTF? Hello! He was solid at the NCAA level and thats it. The guy has been blown up from day 1 at the NFL level! He will be cut before the first game, so yes he is a waste.
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  • Now that I think of it, you and Lifer should get together and work out the details of a point spread and the bell curve...that could be a long conversation :34853_doh:
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  • Spokane wrote:Doubtful? Solid Player? WTF? Hello! He was solid at the NCAA level and thats it. The guy has been blown up from day 1 at the NFL level! He will be cut before the first game, so yes he is a waste.


    don't bother letting facts get in the way of your hissy fit. as already shown in this thread Dorsey is a fine run defender.

    http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/01/05/glenn-dorsey-tyson-jackson-broken-down/

    he was 2nd against the run, but leaves a lot to be desired as a pass rusher. sounds a lot like a nice and cheap sopoaga replacement to me.
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  • Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans
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  • Who would you rather have Dorsey or Bennet?
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.


    Actually not. The problem Dorsey had in KC was that he was called upon to 2-gap over a center. Thats the way D-Linemen play in a classic 3-4.

    He won't be called upon to do that in SF. SF runs a 3-4, but their D-Linemen play 1-gap and penetrate...similar to what he did at LSU. Also, while he wasn't the player people thought he would be coming out of school, he was NOT a bad player. He was very good against the run.

    The Niners aren't expecting the player from LSU. They want the run stuffer who played in KC.

    Don't believe me on Dorsey?


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    And now we know why Niner fans don't talk about other teams, they don't know anything. (for the record, I think Dorsey is an OK signing) Poe was the NT is KC, Dorsey played almost exclusively DE. I watched 8 of his games when he was poised for the FA market. His lack of stats is a product of the Crennell two gap 3-4 scheme, where he wants all three of his DL to try and absorb two blockers. Dorsey is not a nose tackle, but can probably play the spot if the only thing he is asked to do is occupy a center and guard. Personally, I don't think Unger needs help with a guy like Dorsey.

    Marvin, I always suspected you knew a lot more about the niners than the rest of the league, you saying Dorsey had problems because he was asked to 2 gap over the center is just more proof you fit facts to the Niners, not the other way around. Dorsey almost NEVER lined up at NT, and DID not engage the center as a matter of routine. Can he adequately replace Soapoaga? (who is better than Niner fans think) Yes. Is he going to be a penetrating disruptor? It seems unlikely. He was a good dollars/performance pickup, nothing more.

    I know somewhere, sure as god made little green apples, there is a niner fan who know football as much as he knows his team. I sure would like him to make his way here. Marvin isn't him.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.


    Actually not. The problem Dorsey had in KC was that he was called upon to 2-gap over a center. Thats the way D-Linemen play in a classic 3-4.

    He won't be called upon to do that in SF. SF runs a 3-4, but their D-Linemen play 1-gap and penetrate...similar to what he did at LSU. Also, while he wasn't the player people thought he would be coming out of school, he was NOT a bad player. He was very good against the run.

    The Niners aren't expecting the player from LSU. They want the run stuffer who played in KC.

    Don't believe me on Dorsey?


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    And now we know why Niner fans don't talk about other teams, they don't know anything. (for the record, I think Dorsey is an OK signing) Poe was the NT is KC, Dorsey played almost exclusively DE. I watched 8 of his games when he was poised for the FA market. His lack of stats is a product of the Crennell two gap 3-4 scheme, where he wants all three of his DL to try and absorb two blockers. Dorsey is not a nose tackle, but can probably play the spot if the only thing he is asked to do is occupy a center and guard. Personally, I don't think Unger needs help with a guy like Dorsey.

    Marvin, I always suspected you knew a lot more about the niners than the rest of the league, you saying Dorsey had problems because he was asked to 2 gap over the center is just more proof you fit facts to the Niners, not the other way around. Dorsey almost NEVER lined up at NT, and DID not engage the center as a matter of routine. Can he adequately replace Soapoaga? (who is better than Niner fans think) Yes. Is he going to be a penetrating disruptor? It seems unlikely. He was a good dollars/performance pickup, nothing more.

    I know somewhere, sure as god made little green apples, there is a niner fan who know football as much as he knows his team. I sure would like him to make his way here. Marvin isn't him.


    Oh please. Get off the soap box.

    I simply mis-spoke. The only point I was making was that he won't 2-gap in SF. I like how you just threw out the entire point of both my post and the article in order to score cheap points. I'm aware he played DE in KC. That doesn't change my point tho that he was called upon to 2-gap almost exlusively. That doesn't change the fact that he didn't do that at LSU and he won't be called upon to do that in SF. You go off on a rant about why he wasn't effective and then pretty much say what I was saying and then puff out your chest like you have proven something.

    My response was to say that he isn't miscast in SF. He fits the scheme that SF is running.

    No 49ers fan is under the impression that Dorsey is all of the sudden going to show that he was worth a top 5 pick. All we want him to do is clog up the line and be the run-stuffer he was in KC. That's it. We aren't expecting a star. The fact thats he's a better scheme fit in SF than he was in KC is a bonus. All we are looking for is a replacement for Sopoaga who while being a good player earlier in his career had a very bad year last year. Oh BTW, they also got younger and Dorsey was about half the price.
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  • Spokane wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Me either. If the 'hawks had gotten Boldin for a 6 I don't think I'd be seeing too many people here calling him washed up.

    I like how he gave the Hawks an A+ and the Niners an F-.

    Makes it easier to just discount anything he says later.


    Are you really crying about a draft grade from an online forum? Its pretty well known that 49er fans are soft, but that is sad Bra!
    I say what I want to say, when I want to say it. Deal with it and stop crying like a B! I really don't want another warning PM so I am going to let you off the hook today. Just as advise, before you look stupid again - do a full research job on the Bell curve grading system before making any (49er fan like/dumb) comments about it.


    Who said I was cryin? I just said you made it really easy to ignore your opinion. Its getting easier by the post.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
    Spokane wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Me either. If the 'hawks had gotten Boldin for a 6 I don't think I'd be seeing too many people here calling him washed up.

    I like how he gave the Hawks an A+ and the Niners an F-.

    Makes it easier to just discount anything he says later.


    Are you really crying about a draft grade from an online forum? Its pretty well known that 49er fans are soft, but that is sad Bra!
    I say what I want to say, when I want to say it. Deal with it and stop crying like a B! I really don't want another warning PM so I am going to let you off the hook today. Just as advise, before you look stupid again - do a full research job on the Bell curve grading system before making any (49er fan like/dumb) comments about it.


    Who said I was cryin? I just said you made it really easy to ignore your opinion. Its getting easier by the post.


    Getting pretty easy to ignore yours as well.
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  • FortWorthSeahawk wrote:
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    Spokane wrote:Are you really crying about a draft grade from an online forum? Its pretty well known that 49er fans are soft, but that is sad Bra!
    I say what I want to say, when I want to say it. Deal with it and stop crying like a B! I really don't want another warning PM so I am going to let you off the hook today. Just as advise, before you look stupid again - do a full research job on the Bell curve grading system before making any (49er fan like/dumb) comments about it.


    Who said I was cryin? I just said you made it really easy to ignore your opinion. Its getting easier by the post.


    Getting pretty easy to ignore yours as well.


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  • Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3
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  • look@dafilm wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3


    Your band wagon is full of idiots. All bandwagons are. is that a 4th thing? Or does that fall under obnoxious know nothings? Now, I usually operate under the assumption that every fan knows something, til he opens his yap/tying digits and proves different. Marvin? he heard some nice stuff about your new player, then added his own misinformation to it, and voila: Bullshit.

    BTW, that article was well written and spot on in describing Dorsey's lack of numbers and why. Where Marvin is arrogantly wrong is assuming that a new system will suddenly take advantage of Dorsey's seemingly dormant production. I would not have minded the Hawks getting Dorsey for exactly what I suspect the Niners want him for: Two down run stopper, and little else. The contract he signed suggests just that. Soap gets a bad rap in SF, but he was a decent player, mostly guilty of not being Justin Smith. Dorsey should do the same. San Francisco did not sign Dorsey expecting him to emerge as a force, they signed him to do what they already know he can do at the NFL level, eat space, stop runners.

    The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    look@dafilm wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3


    Your band wagon is full of idiots. All bandwagons are. is that a 4th thing? Or does that fall under obnoxious know nothings? Now, I usually operate under the assumption that every fan knows something, til he opens his yap/tying digits and proves different. Marvin? he heard some nice stuff about your new player, then added his own misinformation to it, and voila: Bullshit.

    BTW, that article was well written and spot on in describing Dorsey's lack of numbers and why. Where Marvin is arrogantly wrong is assuming that a new system will suddenly take advantage of Dorsey's seemingly dormant production. I would not have minded the Hawks getting Dorsey for exactly what I suspect the Niners want him for: Two down run stopper, and little else. The contract he signed suggests just that. Soap gets a bad rap in SF, but he was a decent player, mostly guilty of not being Justin Smith. Dorsey should do the same. San Francisco did not sign Dorsey expecting him to emerge as a force, they signed him to do what they already know he can do at the NFL level, eat space, stop runners.

    The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.


    I for one don't think Goldson will be replaced immediately, but I will say he surely was overpaid. Wish there was a way to keep Goldson and let Whitner go instead but thats the name of the game sometimes. Whitner isn't necessarily bad either, but his short and stout stature gives him a lot of physical limitations in terms of playing the ball in the air. I'm liking the Reid pick a lot though because he plays so similar to Goldson. It will be interesting to see how a rookie starter dynamic plays out with our already good and veteran D. I think it should be fine if nothing else because we've (seemingly) upgraded our RCB spot with Nnamdi and our pass rush is already great but has much more depth now to stay fresh. His loss can be made up in other ways, but you're right, as of now Goldson to Reid is a downgrade.

    As for Sopoaga, forgive me for not taking a fan of another teams word on a 9 year 49er player. I love what he did for the 49ers all these years but using that as an example of how the 49ers will suffer is just terrible. He was a part time player this year even as a "starter" (played about 40% of the snaps) and was really really bad this year. He was never great in the past, but this year he was just thrown around. It compares in many ways to Seattle getting Winfield to replace Trufant in the slot, expect Trufant probably performed better this year than did Issac. When Dorsey was rated as the #2 run stuffing end, and we bring him in to play both end and tackle on a contract much smaller than even Soap got, forgive me for being somewhat exciting and for seeing that for what it is: an upgrade.

    As for the position, people forget that Soap never played NT until Fangio/Harbaugh got to the 49ers. It was tried in the past, but didn't work and so he always played DE in our 3-4, but because of the defensive scheme Fangio ran it worked out (for a while). Dorsey should be fine. He'll rotate with a guy the 49ers really like in Ian Williams.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.


    The funny thing about so many Hawks fans here is apparently every player who left the Niners in free agency was some dynamic playmaker that can't easily be replaced. Don't get me wrong Scottemojo, like you, I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation for Goldson's future MMA career and I love watching his offseason workouts with no pads. Unfortunately he is a top 15-ish NFL safety who was over-valued and paid as if he were the best safety in the league because of his highlight reel hits. Of course the Niners would rather have retained Goldson than Whitner, but while neither are particularly good players, Whitner costs half as much per year. Whitner is also unlikely to be resigned after this season. The reality is Goldson was at highest, the 7'th best player on the 49ers defense. Hardly irreplaceable.
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  • look@dafilm wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3

    What player are you watching? I live in Kansas City and have seen every game Dorsey played(if you want to call it that) and superior run stuffer he isn't. Ok at it? Yes but he's a stopgap at best not an upgrade so for the flyer the Ninners took for him it's a good money saving move nothing more.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    look@dafilm wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3

    What player are you watching? I live in Kansas City and have seen every game Dorsey played(if you want to call it that) and superior run stuffer he isn't. Ok at it? Yes but he's a stopgap at best not an upgrade so for the flyer the Ninners took for him it's a good money saving move nothing more.


    Its ok, you're entitled to your opinion. I'll just take the word of experts who watch every snap of every game and leave them to do the judging as opposed the "expertise" of someone on an online forum. Bottom line, Dorsey was brought in to help shore up some gaps in our run defense because thats what he's good at.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    look@dafilm wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Broski, Next time you try to defend your new player with Hard Facts...try not to use an article over 2-3 years old!?!?!?

    lol it said that the DE got zero sacks and zero passes defended...Are you hoping your DTs can rush the passer? He is a waste.

    The fact you use the word "Hissy" really does nothing to slow the rumors about you 49er fans


    Ummm no actually its barely over a year old and talks about his play during the 2011 season. Way to expose yourself as a perfect example of why the American education system is terrible. The reason there aren't a ton of articles out on him about 2012 is because he was injured and didn't play for much of the year.

    And no actually, most teams don't expect pass rush from their NTs he is a superb run stuffer and thats what the 49ers want him for. Soap was not good this year and was actually rated quite terribly as even a partime player, which is why the 49ers let him get away.

    Btw, you fans of other teams should really try to get together and stick to one lame insult for us 49er fans so you don't sound so ridiculous all the time. Either 49ers fans are all obnoxious know-nothings....complete flaming pirates....or street low-life thugs. They can't be all 3


    Your band wagon is full of idiots. All bandwagons are. is that a 4th thing? Or does that fall under obnoxious know nothings? Now, I usually operate under the assumption that every fan knows something, til he opens his yap/tying digits and proves different. Marvin? he heard some nice stuff about your new player, then added his own misinformation to it, and voila: Bullshit.

    BTW, that article was well written and spot on in describing Dorsey's lack of numbers and why. Where Marvin is arrogantly wrong is assuming that a new system will suddenly take advantage of Dorsey's seemingly dormant production. I would not have minded the Hawks getting Dorsey for exactly what I suspect the Niners want him for: Two down run stopper, and little else. The contract he signed suggests just that. Soap gets a bad rap in SF, but he was a decent player, mostly guilty of not being Justin Smith. Dorsey should do the same. San Francisco did not sign Dorsey expecting him to emerge as a force, they signed him to do what they already know he can do at the NFL level, eat space, stop runners.

    The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.


    Holy Smokes!!!

    That isn't even close to what I said...LOL!!!

    I said he was misused in KC. I said he'll be used differently in SF. I also said the 49ers are looking for something closer to the player he was in KC than the one he was in LSU. The niners aren't expecting the top 5 pick. They are expecting a good run defender to replace the once good run defender Isaac Sopoaga. These are all points that I made and you have convieniently left them out.

    We don't expect him to suddenly become a penetrating sack artist of a DT/DE. I simply misspoke on the position he line up over in KC.

    Dude...get off the high horse. Wow.

    I essentially said EXACTLY what you said...but now you are trying to puff up your chest like you schooled me or something. Pathetic. If you are gonna try to make fun of someone for something they said, make sure they actually said it first. Sheesh.

    As for Goldson....and I wish there were some Niner fans here who knew me from Niner forums....but I've never been a huge fan of Goldson. I'm not a fan of Whitner either and he's still on the roster. Will Reid be better than Gokldson THIS year? Doubtful. The hope is that he can be better in coverage than Goldson EVENTUALLY.

    Goldson and Whitner are both excellent in run support. In coverage...not so much. Whitner gave up more passing TDs than any other safety last year. He seems completely incabable of covering good TEs. I'd rather have kept Goldson over Whitner, but not at the price TB paid him. Don't be surprised if the Niners let Whitner walk next year and draft ANOTHER safety high next year.
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    Scottemojo wrote:The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.


    The funny thing about so many Hawks fans here is apparently every player who left the Niners in free agency was some dynamic playmaker that can't easily be replaced. Don't get me wrong Scottemojo, like you, I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation for Goldson's future MMA career and I love watching his offseason workouts with no pads. Unfortunately he is a top 15-ish NFL safety who was over-valued and paid as if he were the best safety in the league because of his highlight reel hits. Of course the Niners would rather have retained Goldson than Whitner, but while neither are particularly good players, Whitner costs half as much per year. Whitner is also unlikely to be resigned after this season. The reality is Goldson was at highest, the 7'th best player on the 49ers defense. Hardly irreplaceable.


    LOL. I know, right? Its funny how it never occurs to these peeps that the 49ers could have franchised Goldson or kept the other FA they lost and CHOSE NOT TO. There was a reason for that. If they don't trade for Boldin, they'd almost have the money they needed to keep Goldson....but they chose not to.

    Why do you think that is?
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  • Stupidity? I actually can't figure it out but whatever, He's not on your team so who cares? I know as much about the Ninners as you guys know about the Seahawks. Difference being I don't make myself look the fool on said opposing board.:)
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  • Word!
    There is a time and a place to open your mouth, but these clowns missed the memo.

    The get-along-girls got all hyped up on San fran coffee and hit the hawks board...bad choice.

    Clearly they don't mind looking dumb and playing the creeper troll role here at .Net

    The truth is you lost over half the board when you said Dorsey is not a waste! You are homering up a bum.

    KC let the stud go for a reason...they knew his upside more then any other team...NONE
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    Scottemojo wrote:The one I can't figure out is dumb ass bandwagon Niner fans minimizing the loss of Goldson. I like Reid, but *rookie* alert. Dahl? Please. Goldson was a force, and receivers knew he was always lurking. So did running backs. One of my favorite reporters, Jay Glazer, had nothing but praise for Goldon's off season routine, and thinks the guy could kick ass in MMA right NOW. Thinking he can be replaced as a player, and especially as a hard worker and great example off the field, is kind of silly. I think we both know letting Whittner go and keeping Goldson would have been a better move.


    The funny thing about so many Hawks fans here is apparently every player who left the Niners in free agency was some dynamic playmaker that can't easily be replaced. Don't get me wrong Scottemojo, like you, I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation for Goldson's future MMA career and I love watching his offseason workouts with no pads. Unfortunately he is a top 15-ish NFL safety who was over-valued and paid as if he were the best safety in the league because of his highlight reel hits. Of course the Niners would rather have retained Goldson than Whitner, but while neither are particularly good players, Whitner costs half as much per year. Whitner is also unlikely to be resigned after this season. The reality is Goldson was at highest, the 7'th best player on the 49ers defense. Hardly irreplaceable.


    LOL. I know, right? Its funny how it never occurs to these peeps that the 49ers could have franchised Goldson or kept the other FA they lost and CHOSE NOT TO. There was a reason for that. If they don't trade for Boldin, they'd almost have the money they needed to keep Goldson....but they chose not to.

    Why do you think that is?

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  • What? You mean they didn't want to pay the man? Or more to the point couldn't even try. I get the gist correct?
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
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    Disp wrote:The funny thing about so many Hawks fans here is apparently every player who left the Niners in free agency was some dynamic playmaker that can't easily be replaced. Don't get me wrong Scottemojo, like you, I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation for Goldson's future MMA career and I love watching his offseason workouts with no pads. Unfortunately he is a top 15-ish NFL safety who was over-valued and paid as if he were the best safety in the league because of his highlight reel hits. Of course the Niners would rather have retained Goldson than Whitner, but while neither are particularly good players, Whitner costs half as much per year. Whitner is also unlikely to be resigned after this season. The reality is Goldson was at highest, the 7'th best player on the 49ers defense. Hardly irreplaceable.


    LOL. I know, right? Its funny how it never occurs to these peeps that the 49ers could have franchised Goldson or kept the other FA they lost and CHOSE NOT TO. There was a reason for that. If they don't trade for Boldin, they'd almost have the money they needed to keep Goldson....but they chose not to.

    Why do you think that is?

    Mother Effin Dollas? Don't pretend it's something else.


    Well of course it was about $$$$, but it's not that the 49ers couldn't afford to pay him. Franchiseing him would have cost them 7.2 mil. Boldins contract is 6. Not making that trade alone almost gets it done without reworking any other contracts.

    Nobody is contending that Goldson totally sucks. He doesn't...he's a good player, but he isn't worth anything close to what he's making in Tampa.

    The bottom line here is that you can't keep everyone. You REALLY can't keep everyone if you grossly overpay them. That was the deal on Goldson.

    He'll be missed...just not as much as peeps would like to think. Just a couple of years ago he was a free agent and the Niners almost let him walk. Then their starting FS got hurt in camp so they went out and resigned Dashon to a 1 year contract. Nobody saw the Pro Bowl in his furure. They also drafted Aldon Smith that year.

    All of the sudden, Dashon Goldson becomes a great player. Then, Justin Smith and Aldon Smith get hurt and Dashon is completely exposed (as is Whitner) in the secondary. There is a reason the 49ers didn't use the tag on him and didn't sign him long term in any of the past three offseasons. The 49ers have known all along he wasn't a part of their long-term future.

    Look, Dashon is a big hitter. Hes fantastic in run support and he'll tackle like a linebacker in the hole. In coverage tho, he's average at best. The entire secondary was protected by a great pass rush. Once that rush disappeared, they began to give up over 300 yards a game and a rating over 100. Prior to that they gave up about 170 yards a game and a 70 rating.

    BTW...about one of your previous posts...I could give exactly 2 sh*ts about Goldson and MMA. Really. Who cares?. Dahl? Dahl was never going to start. he was depth and Special Teams. The 49ers had the best Special Teams unit in the NFL 2 years ago. Last year they let a few of those key contributors walk away (Costanzo, Jones). This year they have already lost contributors Tvares Gooden and Delanie Walker (and of course Davis Akers). Signing Skuta fron Cincy, Dahl from St. Louis, and drafting Nick Moody was all about getting those Special teams back to what they were 2 years ago. We'll see if it works.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:What? You mean they didn't want to pay the man? Or more to the point couldn't even try. I get the gist correct?


    They could have afforded him. They chose not to. They could have franchised him and paid less than Tampa paid to keep him. They chose not to.

    Good but not great player wanted enormous contract. Pass.
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  • They couldn't have kept him without ignoring other needs. Bold in was a need not a luxury and for equal money more important than Goldson.

    It's easier and safer to draft defense than offenses as you can see with Jenkins. Safety is an easier position to evaluate and learn but no matter, you needed a #2 receiver ready to step on the field. Drafting a receiver for that spot was not an option.

    So no they didn't simply pass on Goldson. Even an affordable contract would have been a bad move. I don't buy that your FO views him like you seem to but because of needs elsewhere and lack of cap room to secure both, he was allowed to walk. The franchise tag was never an option.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:They couldn't have kept him without ignoring other needs. Bold in was a need not a luxury and for equal money more important than Goldson.

    It's easier and safer to draft defense than offenses as you can see with Jenkins. Safety is an easier position to evaluate and learn but no matter, you needed a #2 receiver ready to step on the field. Drafting a receiver for that spot was not an option.

    So no they didn't simply pass on Goldson. Even an affordable contract would have been a bad move. I don't buy that your FO views him like you seem to but because of needs elsewhere and lack of cap room to secure both, he was allowed to walk. The franchise tag was never an option.


    We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    Was the cap an issue in them not resigning him? Sure it was. They had to make a decision on who was expendable. They have known Goldson wasn't a part of long term plans for several years. Thats why he initially signed a 1 year contract and why he was franchised last year. Why was he expendable? He was expendable because his price far exceeded his value.

    Put this another way....what if Browner wants 8-9 mil per season when his contract is up. Browner is a Pro Bowl player, but I think we can agree he's probably the 4th best member of that secondary (correct me if I'm wrong). Do the 'Hawks resign him at that number or do they let him walk because while being a good player he's not worth that much money and they have far better players they are going to need to pay. Additionally, they just might spend a 1st round pick to replace him.

    How much of Browners performance tho is wrapped up in the players around him.....2 of the best safeties in the NFC and arguably the best CB in the NFL on the other side. Does Browner play just as well on another team if he's the featured guy? My guess is if Seattle lets Browner walk and they select another corner high you guys will be saying stuff very similar to what I'm saying right now.

    Thats kinda my whole point. Goldson looked better than he was because of the players around him and the scheme. Reid has a really good opportunity to come in and get that same benefit. He's actually better than Goldson from a physical perspective (beat ALL of Goldson combine numbers) and he's a smart kid who had offers from Stanford coming out of high school. None of that guarantees he'll be a good player....but its a good bet. There will of course be a learning curve and I'm sure he'll make rookie mistakes, but I really don't think the falloff will be as great as people think.

    As for your opinion of the Boldin move...they didn't know Boldin was even going to be available until after they had already made their decision on Goldson.
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  • If it wasn't Boldin it would have been another vet WR. No coincidence he was signed right after Harvin. They weren't going into the season with Crabtree and a rookie or Jenkins. As much as I'd like to think they are just that dumb.

    As for Browner I think you are wrong about how we would react. Browner has earned a ton of respect around here and if he were to move on I really doubt you would see any Seahawks fans trying to convince Niner fans that he wasn't as good as you think or was way over rated. Especially if he walked with no suitable replacement like Goldson did. I think you would see people thinking it sucks that he moved on and hopefully one of the other guys can step up.

    I also doubt you would see folks in here trying to convince anyone that a rookie is the better option. I think you would see people excited about the rookie and hoping he will be as good as Browner but understanding we have a cap and cannot keep every player at any cost like the Niners prior to FA.
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