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  • amill87 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:No way.

    Winner is the 49ers.

    The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

    Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

    For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.


    uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

    As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

    1. Rams
    2. Cards
    3. Seahawks
    4. Niners

    Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

    Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

    Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

    The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?


    So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

    You guys want to talk about value...
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    amill87 wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:No way.

    Winner is the 49ers.

    The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

    Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

    For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.


    uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

    As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

    1. Rams
    2. Cards
    3. Seahawks
    4. Niners

    Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

    Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

    Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

    The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?


    So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

    You guys want to talk about value...


    Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

    There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.
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  • Except there are plenty of posters on here who have included all your players you traded picks for when grading the teams respective drafts..."geriatric"or not, and yet none have included Boldin ever.

    I can really care less, just thought it was amusing when I see posters claim that they only give the Hawks a higher draft grade due to the Harvin trade, but NONE have ever included the fact that we only gave up a 6th for a proven and very capable WR as well. Obviously not the same type of player as Harvin, but still a very talented playmaker.
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  • Because Seattle got a long term contract out of Harvin, albeit expensive, he'll be around as long as a 1st round pick barring a free agent bust.

    6th round picks aren't exactly coveted, but you get to pay $6m to a guy that's one and done. He may be a better option then Moss, but he's not assured of a good season either. He'll retire long before this years 6th rounders finish out their contracts. Not sure what you want them to say.

    I'm not among those that lump Harvin into our draft, the best part of the NFL draft at the moment is cheap 3-4 year contracts and Harvin's is anything but. But at least he'll contribute as much as a draft pick.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:
    amill87 wrote:uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

    As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

    1. Rams
    2. Cards
    3. Seahawks
    4. Niners

    Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

    Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

    Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

    The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?


    So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

    You guys want to talk about value...


    Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

    There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.


    1) Boldin wasn't contemplating retirement. Thats simply BS. He's also only 32.
    2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.
    3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.

    If you are going to include Harvin, you have include the product of all picks from this draft.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:[quote="amill87"]
    uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

    As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

    1. Rams
    2. Cards
    3. Seahawks
    4. Niners

    Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

    Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

    Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

    The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?


    So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

    You guys want to talk about value...


    Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

    There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.


    1) Boldin wasn't contemplating retirement. Thats simply BS. He's also only 32.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/20 ... s/1981535/

    2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.
    3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.
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    The 49ers had a decent draft. Last years .... Lets see how the draft picks play on the D-line and the aging secondary and the new rookies.

    Colt McCoy? Please....
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  • LOL...talk about reading between the lines!

    Making a statement such as "I would rather retire than...." doesn't mean that he was contemplating retirement LOL! It was just his way of showing that there was no other team that he wanted to ever play for at the time.

    Think of it this way, If you said "I would rather kill myself than become a Niner fan!", is everybody supposed to believe that you are now Suicidal and am contemplating killing yourself even though you are a Seattle fan still?

    It's called a "figure of speach". ;)
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  • NinerLifer wrote:So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?



    They probably don't think another four touchdown season is worth noting.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?



    They probably don't think another four touchdown season is worth noting.


    So nobody ever performs better than their last season huh?

    Well I guess your team peaked and you'll have to start considering the wildcard round your Superbowl victory since your players are never going to get any better.

    And we'll have to get used to being the NFC Champions every year...bummer!
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  • So his retirement talk was hyperbole, fine. show me where he said he wants to play until he's 40. lol.

    How long do you think he's playing for? a four year stint? will the niners even bother giving him another contract? Is he going to want one even if the team has a disappointing season?

    He was contemplating retirement. Can't tell me that he didn't see going out on top with a super bowl win instead of risking his body and future as pretty tempting.

    I mean that was the story line of Moss last year wasn't it? the last chance at a Super Bowl.
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  • I'll answer this one...

    Lady Talon wrote:How long do you think he's playing for? a four year stint? will the niners even bother giving him another contract? Is he going to want one even if the team has a disappointing season?


    The only reason we were able to acquire Boldin was that the Ravens didn't want to pay him $6M with Flacco's deal over their heads. We opened up Alex Smith's money, and dropped in Boldin's contract. Unless Boldin plays like he did in Arizona, I doubt we sign him again. He's there to bridge the gap until Jenkins, Patton, and potentially your castaway Lockette are ready to take over.

    You probably haven't heard much about Patton, but he's already Harbaugh's favorite and I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps into the 3rd WR position right away. Jenkins and Lockette have been training with Kaep all offseason and I expect both to make good progress, especially Jenkins who's markedly bigger.

    So the Boldin contract is for 1 season to provide another reliable WR with great hands and a viable RZ threat. Much better than a 6th round pick, considering we had 15 picks at the time.
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  • Happypuppy wrote:
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    Lady Talon wrote:Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

    There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.


    1) Boldin wasn't contemplating retirement. Thats simply BS. He's also only 32.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/20 ... s/1981535/

    2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.
    3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.


    The 49ers had a decent draft. Last years .... Lets see how the draft picks play on the D-line and the aging secondary and the new rookies.

    Colt McCoy? Please....


    Uh....he didn't think he'd play for another team this season so he said he would "retire a Raven". That was a quote from before he was traded. He didn't expect to be traded. He was traded. He isn't retiring. He wasn't "contemplating retirement". If Russell Wilson said tomorrow that he'd retire a Seahawk, would that mean he is "contemplating retirment? No..it just means he's loyal to Seattle.

    Colt McCoy was aquired for draft picks. I wasn't trying to say he's a game changer...I was just saying he was aquired with draft picks so should be included just as Harvin is. BTW, I do think it was a good trade considering what they gave up....essentially just a 7th round pick.

    Essentially....if you are going to include Harvin in your draft class, the Niner draft class should look like so...

    San Francisco 49ers

    18. Eric Reid, free safety, LSU.
    40. Tank Carradine, outside linebacker, Florida State.
    55. Vance McDonald, tight end, Rice.
    88. Corey Lemonier, outside linebacker, Auburn.
    128. Quinton Patton, receiver, Louisiana Tech.
    131. Marcus Lattimore, running back, South Carolina.
    157. Quinton Dial, defensive end, Alabama.
    180. Nick Moody, linebacker, Florida State.
    199. Anquan Boldin, receiver, Florida State.
    221. Colt McCoy, quarterback, Texas.
    237. B.J. Daniels, quarterback, South Florida.
    246. Carter Bykowski, tackle, Iowa State.
    252. Marcus Cooper, cornerback, Rutgers.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
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    NinerLifer wrote:So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?



    They probably don't think another four touchdown season is worth noting.


    So nobody ever performs better than their last season huh?

    Well I guess your team peaked and you'll have to start considering the wildcard round your Superbowl victory since your players are never going to get any better.

    And we'll have to get used to being the NFC Champions every year...bummer!


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  • 49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.


    That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle
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  • look@dafilm wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.


    That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle


    And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

    So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?
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  • Why is this a debate? Who cares about draft grades? They are meaningless and based purely on speculation by novices. The guys that have the most education and information work for teams and they are wrong as often as not.

    The Niners are in a bad situation with their draft at this poi t because that are going to learn NY trial and error what their draft picks strengths and weakness's are. How do you think they would have faired last year if Jenkins was forced to be one of the starters from game one? Well guess what, they are now in that position in multiple positions. Good luck with that. Last years draft grade were similar to this years and how did that work out?
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Why is this a debate? Who cares about draft grades? They are meaningless and based purely on speculation by novices. The guys that have the most education and information work for teams and they are wrong as often as not.

    The Niners are in a bad situation with their draft at this poi t because that are going to learn NY trial and error what their draft picks strengths and weakness's are. How do you think they would have faired last year if Jenkins was forced to be one of the starters from game one? Well guess what, they are now in that position in multiple positions. Good luck with that. Last years draft grade were similar to this years and how did that work out?


    Well since your the expert, I guess the season is a wash...just like last year. :sarcasm_off:
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.


    I guess we'll agree to disagree.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
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    RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.


    That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle


    And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

    So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?


    I don't understand why this is too complicated.

    Boldin was aquired for a 6th round pick.

    Colt McCoy was for a 7 and a swap of picks 8 picks apart.

    They were aquisitions from Draft Picks.

    People here want Harvin included in the draft evaluation because he was aquired for draft picks.


    Why even argue? 2 of the picks the Niners had were used on Boldin and McCoy. 2 of the picks the Seahawks had were used on Harvin. Why is this too difficult?

    All I see are people saying those guys won't be around longer than a year. How do you know that? They could sign extensions just as Harvin did. Some of the rookies drafted may be around no longer than a year especially ones taken in the 6th or 7th round like the picks the Niners gave up for those players.

    I see no reason not to include them in the draft class if you are going to include Harvin. It makes no sense not to.
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  • I'm not one that adds Harvin to our draft, trades are trades, FA is FA, and the draft is the draft. But if Boldin signs an extension like Harvin did (with another team), I don't get the point.

    Thinking your team is going to want to extend Kaepinocchio before he RFAs more then Boldin next year. Just a hunch.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    look@dafilm wrote:That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle


    And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

    So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?


    I don't understand why this is too complicated.

    Boldin was aquired for a 6th round pick.

    Colt McCoy was for a 7 and a swap of picks 8 picks apart.

    They were aquisitions from Draft Picks.

    People here want Harvin included in the draft evaluation because he was aquired for draft picks.


    Why even argue? 2 of the picks the Niners had were used on Boldin and McCoy. 2 of the picks the Seahawks had were used on Harvin. Why is this too difficult?

    All I see are people saying those guys won't be around longer than a year. How do you know that? They could sign extensions just as Harvin did. Some of the rookies drafted may be around no longer than a year especially ones taken in the 6th or 7th round like the picks the Niners gave up for those players.

    I see no reason not to include them in the draft class if you are going to include Harvin. It makes no sense not to.


    I could care less if they include Boldin or McCoy as their biased opinion doesn't matter, which is all we would get from them because most are too proud to admit that they didn't have a better draft than we did. I am all for them seeing the result on the field instead after we take the division again next year.
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  • http://www.nfl.com/predicttheseason

    People are voting for the Seahawks to rep the NFC in the Super Bowl, and to win it. The people have spoken, nobody wants San Francisco anywhere. Seahawks are taking the division, will have a bye, and will win the Super Bowl this season. :D
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:http://www.nfl.com/predicttheseason

    People are voting for the Seahawks to rep the NFC in the Super Bowl, and to win it. The people have spoken, nobody wants San Francisco anywhere. Seahawks are taking the division, will have a bye, and will win the Super Bowl this season. :D


    Actually I believe that the "Predict the season" showed us with the higher seeding, and thus why the theoretical NFCCG was played in SF as depicted with us being listed on the right side.

    Trust us, we are happy that you guys are being hyped up the way you are, as it paints a bigger target on your foreheads and will help to make sure that no team will not prepare accordingly when going up against you.

    It's starting to all come together perfectly! :th2thumbs:
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  • You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D
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  • I bet NinerLifer wet his pants watching that game at CLINK last season.

    He gives off a sufficiently whiny vibe that watching his team get systematically destroyed was probably the final straw.

    Piss alllllll over the pants.

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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I bet NinerLifer wet his pants watching that game at CLINK last season.

    He gives off a sufficiently whiny vibe that watching his team get systematically destroyed was probably the final straw.

    Piss alllllll over the pants.

    Piss, Piss, Piss. Pants, Pants, Pants.


    Yes...yes I did. :(
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D


    Dear lord how ridiculous. A super bowl team actually gets better in the off-season and they are predicted to have a higher seed than a divisional foe. weird.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D



    Lol gotta love that 1 game you have to hang your hat on versus a team who proved all season they were better. Tell us next how glorious that win over green bay was while your at it.
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  • look@dafilm wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D


    Dear lord how ridiculous. A super bowl team actually gets better in the off-season and they are predicted to have a higher seed than a divisional foe. weird.



    How exactly again did you get better? Is it the rookie replacing that vastly over rated ALLPRO? Is gore going to be better with more experience now that he's 30 years old?

    It is debatable if you got better or worse. You need your draft class to play lights out for you to be on par. Good luck with that.
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  • Goldrush wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D



    Lol gotta love that 1 game you have to hang your hat on versus a team who proved all season they were better. Tell us next how glorious that win over green bay was while your at it.


    Yes you proved you suck at 10am games and on the second week of travel. Your schedule was padded by the NFL to prevent you from having to play any competitive teams at 10am and apparently it was a great thing for you guys because you got your butts kicked by both the Rams and Vikings at 10am. You would have probably been murdered by NE and GB. Hell NE would have stomped you if not for the weather and the power outage is the only thing that saved you from one of the most embarrassing super bowl performances in history.

    Get off your high horse. You guys have more questions than answers right now. Good luck with that.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
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    RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D



    Lol gotta love that 1 game you have to hang your hat on versus a team who proved all season they were better. Tell us next how glorious that win over green bay was while your at it.


    Yes you proved you suck at 10am games and on the second week of travel. Your schedule was padded by the NFL to prevent you from having to play any competitive teams at 10am and apparently it was a great thing for you guys because you got your butts kicked by both the Rams and Vikings at 10am. You would have probably been murdered by NE and GB. Hell NE would have stomped you if not for the weather and the power outage is the only thing that saved you from one of the most embarrassing super bowl performances in history.

    Get off your high horse. You guys have more questions than answers right now. Good luck with that.


    LMFAO!

    I keep seeing you guys claim that we only beat NE because of the weather. How many of you guys actually know how long it had been that a team beat the Patriots at home in the month if December? You guys actually think that last December was a freak weather occurrence in NE for that time of year? LMFAO

    The Patriots are the ones used to playing at home and dominating teams in NE in the month of December. Can anybody guess why? Doubt it according to statements like the one above. :34853_doh:
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  • I detest the 49ers as much as anybody but their New England game was a legit win. Trying to say the weather in Foxborough was an advantage to the 49ers is as ridiculous as saying Seattle only beat them because they were tired from the week before. Both were legitimate wins against solid competition.

    That being said, the power outage is the biggest reason the Super Bowl wasn't a ridiculous blowout. So at least you're not arguing that.
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  • I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.


    That must be why the Patriots were still favored that week. :34853_doh:

    Man...you have talked yourself into a cone of silence.
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  • Niners had a draft that suited their needs, and rolled some picks over to 2014. The Niners drafted a lot of known names that have time to get over injuries.
    Rams had a draft that suited their needs.
    Seattle had a draft that suited their needs. Our draft had a lot of who? But so did the 2012 and 2011 drafts.
    The Cardinals did OK. The middle of that line might improve, and that will help Carson a ton.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.


    That must be why the Patriots were still favored that week. :34853_doh:

    Man...you have talked yourself into a cone of silence.


    You mean favored before the game and before the weather was a factor?

    Yeah that makes alot of sense. Maybe we should have weatherman picking the favorites.

    Wow just wow.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.


    That must be why the Patriots were still favored that week. :34853_doh:

    Man...you have talked yourself into a cone of silence.


    You mean favored before the game and before the weather was a factor?

    Yeah that makes alot of sense. Maybe we should have weatherman picking the favorites.

    Wow just wow.


    Dude...just stop. You can not recover from this, seriously. Like EVER!
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  • I can just see the crap spewing from here if we would have lost to NE last year...

    "You couldn't even beat the Patriots after Sherman talked his ass off the field! You mad bro?"
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
    look@dafilm wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:You were given the higher seed by default of having gone further last season.

    Man, week 2 of the NFL season cannot come quickly enough. :D


    Dear lord how ridiculous. A super bowl team actually gets better in the off-season and they are predicted to have a higher seed than a divisional foe. weird.



    How exactly again did you get better? Is it the rookie replacing that vastly over rated ALLPRO? Is gore going to be better with more experience now that he's 30 years old?

    It is debatable if you got better or worse. You need your draft class to play lights out for you to be on par. Good luck with that.


    Anquan > Moss
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson
    Dawson > Akers
    Carradine > RJF
    Dorsey > Soap

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:I disagree, bad weather favors smash mouth teams and the weather in NE that night was the epitome of bad. NE has become a finesse timing football team. If you can disrupt their timing you neutralize them. The weather was a big factor in throwing off their timing and the fumbles were not your normal fumbles. They were not due to impact so much as the ball plain slipping out of their hands.

    Would the outcome have been different if the weather was not as bad as it was? Maybe, maybe not but there is no question it was a factor and like I said, it was a factor that benefited a smash mouth style of football.


    Did you miss the Patiorts with Moss and their super high-powered offense going apeshit on teams and winning in beatdowns like 50-10?
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  • Dude, don't give them any hints. It's much more interesting to see them try their little hearts out attempting to make themselves look like they know what they are talking about.
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  • Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Anquan > Moss You hope
    Nnamdi + Reid > Goldson You hope
    Dawson > Akers You hope
    Carradine > RJF You hope
    Dorsey > Soap You hope

    I will say that we got better regardless of the draft class.

    LMAO, and I am the one that is dreaming? Wow, that is some serious homer BS right there. Apparently anyone can just walk into your system and learn your system and gain chemistry with the team in just a few minutes?

    So I guess Jenkins is just being held back as a secret weapon?

    Really, do you believe your own bull?

    This is why Niner fans are known for their ignorance. You guys are like drones just regurgitating what someone else says. Your a complete moron if you think these are all just automatic upgrades. Your idiot douche coach doesn't even know how to get his depth playing time.


    Reid and Caradine haven't even played a snap and Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT. Let them at least prove something (ANYTHING) at the NFL level before you crown them.

    Last year all we heard was what a great acquisition moss was. Are you going to be as happy to replace Boldin as Moss? You guys were so pumped to be returning your entire defense and now your glad to see em go?

    Put down the pipe.


    wow, so personal attacks combined with irrelevant haterade. If you can't see how Dorseys run defense is better than Sopoaga's an how Boldin is unquestionably an upgrade over Moss and Dawson an unquestionable upgrade over Akers, thats on you.

    lol, "you hope". So I guess you better "hope" that that Harvin and Avirl and all of Seattles picks ups are all upgrades too.
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  • The whole Akers thing is very debatable. Yeah, he had a pretty bad streak, but he also tied the NFL all-time kick record at 63 yards early in the season, and booted some good long ones at the end, too. I think 49ers fans made him into a bit too much of a scapegoat, personally; but, meh.

    In any case, look@dafilm, yes; we're hoping guys like Avril and Bennett have improved our pass rush. The fact that we were able to have such a dominating defense with a very mediocre pass rush is incredible, and even more incredible when you look at the performance of our secondary. Normally, the performance of any defense's secondary is closely linked to its ability to pressure the QB, but not ours. If we can improve our pass rush by a good margin, people might talk about the '13 Seahawks down the road instead of the '85 Bears. I said "if", so take it easy.

    However, one thing that is not in dispute is Percy Harvin. He is a clear upgrade and would be for any team in the league; there's no "hope" in regard to him. He's a supremely dynamic player and still very young, and now he's got a real QB to throw him the pigskin.
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  • Dorsey is once again being played out of position if he plays NT
    I don't know about the other players but if the 49ers are counting on Dorsey to be anything but a waste they're going to be sorely disappointed.
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  • Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:The whole Akers thing is very debatable. Yeah, he had a pretty bad streak, but he also tied the NFL all-time kick record at 63 yards early in the season, and booted some good long ones at the end, too. I think 49ers fans made him into a bit too much of a scapegoat, personally; but, meh.


    It's actually not debatable whatsoever. He had the 2nd lowest FG % in the league behind only Mason Crosby, and was 2/7 from 40+ yards in the final 2 months of the season when the team needed him. He missed 3 field goals in the Rams games that cost the team victories in both, and missed another sub 40-yard field goal against the Falcons that could've cost them the game. I don't know what good long kicks you saw him make at the end, but I think everyone else missed them.

    Akers was awesome in 2011 and a complete liability in 2012. He had an injury, so maybe he'll bounce back this following year, but pretending he was anything other than terrible this last year just because he made a 63 yard kick is pretty dishonest.
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  • Spokane wrote:Like everyone has said, All NFC West teams got better and picked for need.

    Hawks A+A+
    Cards C+/B-
    Rams B+/A-
    Niners F/F-
    Grades are based on a bell curve

    Boldin is washed up. There is a reason why the ravens took a 6th for him, teams laughed at the 5th round offer.
    He would have been a good pick up around 5 years ago, but now he is more :1:


    So obviously don't know why they took a 6th for him though it was publicly explained.
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