RichNhansom wrote:And nothing you just said changes my point. You say Seahawks fans want him to fail well don't 9er fans feel the opposite?
Fact is this is his prove it draft. He has 14 picks and not early or with McClouan's input. If he fails like last year there is no excuse and you know it.
Make all the excuses and assumptions you want but it doesn't change the results of his only draft without early picks or McCloughan's input.
By the way, trying to point out McCloughan's bad picks in an attempt to discredit him so Balls looks better is weak sauce. Balke was part of those bad picks also and McCloughan as GM brought you some amazing talent over the years.
You have NO
idea what you're talking about. Scot McClueless was a horrible talent evaluator. Its no wonder our draft sucked as soon as they stripped Nolan of his GM duties and put McNugget in charge. McRib deserves no credit for that 2010 draft because he didn't make the final call on draft day. Baalke did.
http://www.examiner.com/article/jed-yor ... rence-call
Trent Baalke, director of player personnel, will handle the majority of the decisions on draft day including the final word on which players to select. Director of pro personnel Tom Gamble will assist Baalke during the draft.
On how much it sets back the organization losing their GM a month before the draft:
“Not at all. Trent has all the information that we need. I have full confidence in Trent to be able to execute. He’s been the person that’s been out on the road. He’s organized the area scouts. He will absolutely be able to lead us through the draft.”
Or maybe you're one of those fans who thinks a GM just solely works alone in his little office and does everything independently. McFlurry had help putting together his draft board. But that's besides the point. Its not as simple as just scrolling down a big board and selecting a player. What other teams do and don't do, dictates the moves you make and the players you select or are available for you to select on draft day. Do you trade up? Do you trade back? Do you go need over bpa and vice versa? You take all that into account when you're on the clock. You make it sound as if Baalke just picked the players McDouble had already outlined for him to select. Please tell me you're not that dense?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008 ... lin-tackle
Mike Nolan will keep his job as 49ers coach but will relinquish final say over personnel decisions, according to ESPN.com. After two days of meetings, 49ers owners John and Denise DeBartolo York decided Tuesday night to retain Nolan, who has two years left on the five-year contract he signed before the 2005 season. Nolan also had been the general manager but has agreed to give up that control as a condition for his return. The top contender to take over general manager duties is believed to be current vice president of player personnel Scot McCloughan.
So let's take a look at what happens when McChicken has final say over a draft.
1 29 Kentwan Balmer
2 8 Chilo Rachal
3 12 Reggie Smith
4 8 Cody Wallace
6 8 Josh Morgan
7 7 Larry Grant OLB
His first 3 picks are no longer in the league. Wallace will probably be next. Only Morgan and Grant remain. Morgan was a good find. Grant turned into a solid depth LB. But his first 4 picks were atrocious. Explain that?**EDIT** Chilo Rachal just signed with the Cards. And one of the weakest O-Lines in football just got a little worst. We'll see if he makes the final 53. Reggie Smith justed signed with the Raiders. They're so devoid of talent at safety he might stick. Still lousy picks.
1 10 Michael Crabtree
3 10 Glen Coffee
5 10 Scott McKillop
5 35 Nate Davis QB
6 11 Bear Pascoe
7 10 Curtis Taylor
7 35 Ricky Jean-Francois
Crabtree fell in his lap so I won't give him credit for that. WR was our biggest need and the most productive WR through 2 years in college history fell to the 10th pick. Coffee is no longer in the league. McKillop is a 3rd string back-up/ST guy in Buffalo. Nate Davis didn't make it 3 years in the league. Curtis Taylor was out of the league for two years before we signed him just before the playoffs last year. He was signed by the Cards this off-season. Decent back-up/ST guy. Pascoe caught on with the Giants after we released him as blocking TE. RJF was the second best pick in that draft after Crabs. Still a very unimpressive draft.
So to clarify, the TWO
drafts that McMuffin was in charge of, had finally say in, produced ONE
viable, sure-fire starter. And that was a prospect who was pretty much hand-picked for him to select based on biggest team need. But all of the drafts before and after these two, produced tons of starters and Pro Bowl talent. But you're implying McGriddle deserves credit for the ones he didn't
have final say over right? C'MON MANNNNN!
I don't know why its hard for most 'Hawks fans to give Baalke credit. I give Schneider tons a credit. I knew he would do well, coming out of that Packers front office and working under Ted Thompson. Which is exactly why I didn't want him in our division. He's done a great job of drafting and adding pieces in free agency. Though I think Avril isn't a great fit and extremely overrated, Bennett and Harvin were great acquisitions. Still have to play the games but you can't argue with the vision. I just don't understand some over-zealous 'Hawks fans thinking that we should already hand over the NFC West trophy because of these moves. That book has yet to be written.
Trying to use McCafe as a means to discredit Baalke is just lame and doesn't give you a leg to stand on. Because the FACTS suggest otherwise. And who judges a draft not even a year after? If Jenkins does well next year, alot of you will have egg on your face. He had 4 NFL caliber wideouts with experience ahead of him on the depth chart the minute he was drafted. Crabs, Moss, and Manningham are legit NFL talents, who have produced in this league. And Kyle Williams was really becoming a factor for us in his packages before he got hurt. I said the minute he was drafted that he'd be lucky to make the 45 active on Sundays. I saw the potential but I also knew, barring injury and him improving his functional strength and base overnight that he was more of a longshot to contribute last season. I just happened to be right....which happens alot.
You're also failing to realize we had a loaded roster before the draft. None of the picks were guys who were sought to come in right away and contribute, excluding injury to someone ahead of them on the depth chart if
they even made the roster. Fleming would have probably helped when Haralson went down in preseason but he blew out his knee before the ink on his contract was even dry. Baalke got six
sure fire starters in the previous two drafts. Might be seven if we release Goodwin and they make Kilgore the starter, which is very possible looking at our cap at the moment. Not to mention, another future starter in Cully. And a ton of depth with guys like Kyle Williams, Anthony Dixon, and Kendall Hunter. Exactly where did you expect the 2012 class to fit in?