[/quote]Scottemojo wrote:[quote]First round picks aren't normally selected more than a month before the draft either. Any other exceptions to the norm you want to point out? Lets keep in mind that it was the Niners Seattle outbid for Harvin, meaning in all probability, your team was willing to both pay him and trade at least this year's first and a decent pick next year for the same guy. Seattle was willing to pay a bit more.Marvin49 wrote:
Since Baalke took over the draft...And did the selecting in a draft in which Scott McCloughan had done the work for 11 months? Giving Baalke all credit for his first draft is unfair. Iupati and Davis were both linked to San Fran before Baalke took over. This does not impugn Baalke as a talent evaluator, but lets be accurate. In fact, Scott had possibly the biggest role of anyone in assembling the current Niner talent.
....and this doesn't even include players like Kyle WIlliams or Anthony Dixon who have been good special teamers (outside of the fumble in the NFCCG for Williams) or players like Daniel Kilgore who are simply waiting for their shot. Kilgore will eventually replace Jonathan Goodwin at Center.
Most of the Niners 2012 Draft class was effectively redshirted. AJ Jenkins did dissappoint as a rookie, but James played very well. Joe Looney was hurt when he was drafted so was never going to play. The Niners traded a number of their picks for picks THIS year and is a reason they at one point had 15 picks. Both of the OLBs they selected (Flemming and Johnson) were injured and will be back this year.Both teams, ours and yours, were considered by almost all to have reached in the first round, and the reports that followed AJ in the following months were terrible. San Fran in no way wanted to redshirt Jenkins, in fact you were desperate for good receivers last year. Evaluating any pick from San Fran in his rookie year is going to be difficult, once again, your HC is not inclined to trust or empower rookies, ours is. I am not saying either is right, in fact your SB loss could be hung on LMJ's fumble, and our loss to the Falcons could come down to a 7th round rookie guard, Sweezy.
So...essentially...all this crap about SF not being able to draft revolves around ONE player...AJ Jenkins. He was not nearly the "reach" people suggest. He was projected by most to go at the top of round 2 and went at the bottom of round 1. He's training in Atlanta with Kaep right now so we'll see how he does in year 2.No logical voice says San Fran can't draft. The facts, however, are simple. Willis, Davis, Gore, Staley, Iupati, Davis, Crabtree, and many more were not talent that can be fully laid at the feet of Baalke. Tell me who on the Seattle squad you can say that about, it is a short list.
Using Jenkins tho as if he is somehow indicative of the 49ers drafting ability when you compare it to the list above is simply ludicrous and homerism of the worst kind.
As for the initial point about Harvin essentially being the Seahawks first pick...
1st round picks don't typically require another 3 the following year plus 65+ million $$$$.
Actually I think it's completely fair to give Baalke credit. Its not like he appeared out of nowhere. He was a big part of putting that draft board together to begin with. He was also the man who pulled the trigger on those drafts. Then he followed that up with a stupendous 2011 draft. I'm not gonna say Scot had nothing to do with the success of this team. Of course he did. I liked him as a GM. Its just too bad he drank like a fish.
I wasn't trying to imply that they intended to redshirt Jenkins. I was saying that that's what happened. It probably would have happned to LMJ as well if Hunter hadn't been hurt. It was tho intended with Joe Looney and ended up being the case with Darius Fleming because he got hurt.
The Niners didn't have many roster spots. They were willing to take an injured player. They were also willing to move picks to THIS year (which is why they have so many).
As for the "your coach won't play rookies" assertion....FALSE. He will play the rookies if they are the best at the position. Aldon Smith had 14 sacks as a rookie. Bruce Miller played DE in college yet STARTED at FB last year as a rookie. Rookies not playing has been a function of who else was on the roster, not an unwillingness to play rookies. I can almost guarantee that the Niners will probably start a rookie at FS this year.
As for Harvin, there is exactly ZERO evidense of this. I don't think the Niners were EVER going to pay Harvin like that and would not have given up that many picks. The 49ers have been attached to almost EVERY team that is trading a player. That hasn't come from SF. That has come from the fact that they have alot of picks and reporters try to connect the dots. They were also attached to Revis....do you see that deal getting done? No. The 49ers are trying to extend their OWN players. It isn't their MO to give up premium picks and huge $$$ for players not already on the roster. Not gonna happen.
The point I was making about Harvin as a 1st round pick was that one of the big benefits for really talented teams is that those first round picks will now be bound to teams for 5 years under very small contracts. To most of the league...big deal. To teams like the 49ers and Seahawks...that IS a big deal. Both of these teams are going to have serious trouble keeping all of their talent. One of the bad parts about drafting so well is that you end up not being able to keep them all. You need an infusion of cheap talent to keep yourself up and running. Spending 65 mil for a WR AND a 1, a 7, and a 3 next year...bad business IMO.
The 49ers are already feeling the pinch. Thats why they lost Goldson. That's why they resigned Bowman 2 years early. Thats why they signed Anthony Davis 2 years early. They know that the prices will be much bigger 2 years from now so they are trying to lock in TODAYS prices. It won't be long before the 'hawks start feeling this pinch as well. I'm never a fan of trading away a 1st round pick. You have a possibility there of a VERY good player bound to you for a cheap price.
Finally...you said that no rational person would say that the Niners can't draft. If that's the case, then you have alot of irrational posters on this site. ;-)