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  • If they pick up Revis like being talked about now, Things are gonna get real fun for San Fran vs Seahawks games! As if we don't hate them enough. This thing with Revis and Sherm. Gonna be a blast!
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  • kearly wrote:The good news is that Seattle knows how to stop Kaepernick, and every NFL team is going to be studying Seattle this offseason. If the NFL can make the 49ers another 11 win team in 2013, I think Seattle takes the division.


    You can't make any claim that a team knows how to stop somebody based on only one game.
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  • But can you make the claim that the Ravens didn't successfully use the same game plan for what, 40 minutes of the Super Bowl? Which game tape did they look at and modify for themselves to find out how to stop Kaepernick? Arizona's?
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  • They beat us by a half game and I think we got unlucky during the year. Once we opened things up Russell Wilson was a different QB. I expect our very young offensive line to make huge strides this offseason. Carpenter and Moffitt were drafted during a strike year and missed out on all those reps they would have received during rookie mini camps and such. I think that put them at a disadvantage and then the fact they got hurt during 2011 and missed quite a bit of preparation for 2012. I think a full offseason will do wonders for them.

    We really don't have all that many needs as a team although the pass rushing need can be difficult to fill. If we shore that up which I expect we will, the sky is the limit for this team.
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  • The stage is set for a great rivalry. SF is as BFS stated the pace car, but we are right there with them, oh and we have that guy.

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  • Seahawks are the better team as a whole (JS, PC and company included). We aren't short on pick ourselves and know how to use them. Let's see if SF uses then wisely or not.
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  • Who is letting these whiner fans on our board? My god, we are going to have to deal with them all year? Don't they have a whiner board to gab on? They really come out of the woodwork when they are winning don't they?
    I might have to take a break from this board until the draft.
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  • They have Colin Kaepernick who is a clear downgrade from Alex Smith.
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  • RiggoReincarnated wrote:They have Colin Kaepernick who is a clear downgrade from Alex Smith.


    Clearly... :roll:
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  • QuickLightning wrote:
    RiggoReincarnated wrote:They have Colin Kaepernick who is a clear downgrade from Alex Smith.


    Clearly... :roll:



    Yes clearly...the 49ers went 13-3 in 2011 with Alex Smith, and had an overall better more dominant team in the 2012 season with Smith as their leader. Smith beat the Seahawks. Kaepernick could not. Smith had a part in a tie with the Rams. Kaepernick lost to the Rams.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:But can you make the claim that the Ravens didn't successfully use the same game plan for what, 40 minutes of the Super Bowl? Which game tape did they look at and modify for themselves to find out how to stop Kaepernick? Arizona's?


    Kaepernick killed the ravens. What are you talking about?

    What game plan did they use?
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:32 am
  • As long as we got Russell Wilson, Hawks will be fine.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:27 am
  • Relax guys, Seattle just had the best draft possibly in team history last season, we could add maybe 4 players and just 2 starters this off season and still compete with anyone in the NFL. We could probably bring the same team back an win the whole enchilada next season with more maturing from our young players only.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:28 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Whichever teams QB best adjusts to the adjustments that the NFL makes against them next year will be the team that wins the division (assuming both teams stay relatively healthy). I'd place my bet on Wilson


    People are assuming the Niner's QB issues are solved now. It wouldn't be the first time a physical freak QB came into the league, lit it on fire for a season or two than faded into mediocrity.

    There is one thing for certain, our QB definitely is not a physical freak.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:46 pm
  • The one reason that I have little concern over what the Niners do is that we have so many young (and I mean 2-3 year players) on this squad that are already playing above their pay grade.

    Wagner, Sherman, Kam, Earl, Wright, Irvin, come to mind on defense, with the entire OLine, Tate, Baldwin, Turbin and notably Wilson on offense are set to grow. These guys are just starting out and we are enjoying the results of their talent earlier than most teams get to.

    That is just amazing to me.

    The Niners have their own set of those guys, but players like Willis, Davis, JSmith, Rodgers and Gore are at their peak and we know what to expect.

    They are still exceptional, but the potential improvement of our young players is very enlightening.
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  • I used to be one of those who feared more what division rivals we're doing right, as much as I did the Seahawks. But, that was before this regime. Draft picks dont mean a thing if its Lamichael or Jenkins. And, the best QB is still in Seattle.

    It's very odd, but concern over what rivals do is a thing of the past. Let them amass whatever they like, they dont have PC, JS or RW. Honestly, I dont concern myself with it anymore.
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  • heyu123 wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:But can you make the claim that the Ravens didn't successfully use the same game plan for what, 40 minutes of the Super Bowl? Which game tape did they look at and modify for themselves to find out how to stop Kaepernick? Arizona's?


    Kaepernick killed the ravens. What are you talking about?

    What game plan did they use?


    Gore got the vast majority of his yards on the 2 scoring drives. Kaepernick didn't run crazy on the ground except for the TD, not a bad job defending the option. And they beat up on SF receivers. Much like the chippy play SF likes to complain about with Seattle's DBs.

    Essentially they did for 40 minutes what the Hawks did for 60 at the Clink, they just let off the gas whereas Carroll didn't.

    When did Kap take the lead in the game? Best he could have done is gone up by 3 (with a 2pt. conversion) with well over a minute remaining and watch Flacco tear up the 49er secondary with 3 timeouts left and either win with a TD or tie it.

    Killed? He was flat game planned except for 2 scoring drives and one last fail drive. With the age of that Ravens defense it was a pretty solid effort. Against greater youth and quickness, they could have shaved 1 TD off the final.

    Kap got his licks in through the air vs. the Hawks as well. They aren't the type of team that can sustain drives solely through the air. Against quality opponents, as Gore goes, the team goes.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    bestfightstory wrote:How will we Seahawks keep pace?


    42-13 (should have been 42-6).

    49ers backed into a bye week and lucked into a flu-ridden Packers team. They didn't play any better against Atlanta in the afternoon than we did at 10am. They just caught an extra break or two. They were embarassed in the Super Bowl until the lights went out.

    People really need to get a grip. The Niners are the ones hoping to keep pace with Seattle's youth movement and drafting aptitude.


    To be honest, the Niners aren't worried about Seattle as much as it would appear that you guys are worried about the Niners on here. We only play you guys twice with 14 other games on our schedule. This is why the 42-13 post that keeps popping up here is causing people on Niner sites to seriously laugh their asses off now. Nothing that happened last year matters any longer as there are always surprises each season.

    Before Harbaugh came along, all we cared about was beating AZ because they were our biggest competition for the division, and despite sweeping them on occasion and beating them more than they beat us and always seeming to have their number, they would win the division and we fell short.

    If our results of last season were swapped, the first thing that we would be concerned about would be winning on the road next year, especially if we only won 3 times on the road and now have a harder road schedule next season. The odds of going 8-0 at home next year are incredibly low and shouldn't be anticipated realistically every year. You guys had an easier road schedule last year and only managed to win 3 times. With all the statistics I see written on here derived from last season to substantiate the odds of you guys winning the division this year, then statistics also state based on last year that with a tougher road schedule you will win less than 3 games on the road next year.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:Nothing that happened last year matters any longer as there are always surprises each season.


    I agree, please pass it along to all your homies. Their 5 rings from the 80s and 90s are irrelevant now, and mean nothing in their arguments with us.

    :)

    Oh, wait; you probably want to take that statement back now, yeah?
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:Nothing that happened last year matters any longer as there are always surprises each season.


    I agree, please pass it along to all your homies. Their 5 rings from the 80s and 90s are irrelevant now, and mean nothing in their arguments with us.

    :)

    Oh, wait; you probably want to take that statement back now, yeah?


    Nope as I also agree with you. Shocked? Don't be, if you search my post history you would find that I have said that before in regards to bragging about our 5 titles. They don't mean anything today when we step on the field each week, unless they make a tournament for past champions only LOL. I also find that the ones who are more apt to use our past against another team are the bandwagon fans we have picked up that don't know anything else about the team because they weren't around during the suck.
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  • It's more of a dig against 49ers fans lurking this site than you, I've seen virtually all of your posts because I read nearly every thread that happens on this forum. I'm not surprised, though I also have no means of proof in regards to your honesty about said statement. Not saying you're lying, I'm just saying my mental outlook on it must necessarily remain slightly skeptical. ;)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:It's more of a dig against 49ers fans lurking this site than you, I've seen virtually all of your posts because I read nearly every thread that happens on this forum. I'm not surprised, though I also have no means of proof in regards to your honesty about said statement. Not saying you're lying, I'm just saying my mental outlook on it must necessarily remain slightly skeptical. ;)


    Understood man, I am aware that you guys have had to deal with what must have felt like an apocolypse of trolls.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Before Harbaugh came along, all we cared about was beating AZ because they were our biggest competition for the division, and despite sweeping them on occasion and beating them more than they beat us and always seeming to have their number, they would win the division and we fell short.


    So you are talking about the 2008 and 2009 seasons (2 year run)? Because the Seahawks won in 2010 and it was Rams then Seahawks from 2000 until 2008. I guess you didn't start following the 9ers until 2008 or were in a coma from 2000-2007? The statement just didn't register but I plead ignorance.
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  • drdiags wrote:
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    Before Harbaugh came along, all we cared about was beating AZ because they were our biggest competition for the division, and despite sweeping them on occasion and beating them more than they beat us and always seeming to have their number, they would win the division and we fell short.


    So you are talking about the 2008 and 2009 seasons (2 year run)? Because the Seahawks won in 2010 and it was Rams then Seahawks until 2008. I guess you didn't start following the 9ers until 2008 or were in a coma from 2000-2007? The statement just didn't register but I plead ignorant.


    Yes I was talking recent history because I was trying to keep the post as relevant to recent years as possible. I was deployed for 2010 so I wasn't able to pay attention to what the NFL was doing that year unfortunately. However I did know that you guys won the division that year, but wasn't sure how you guys treated that win since it was with a 7-9 record and might have been the worst display from our division ever.
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  • I guess I can just STFU, since the 9ers won the division in 2002 and the Seahawks didn't get into the NFC West until 2002.

    Just the comment made it seem like the Seahawks and Rams were non-factors for quite awhile during the span of Arizona vs 9ers rivalry spurred by Davis and Dockett going back and forth.
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  • drdiags wrote:I guess I can just STFU, since the 9ers won the division in 2002 and the Seahawks didn't get into the NFC West until 2002.

    Just the comment made it seem like the Seahawks and Rams were non-factors for quite awhile during the span of Arizona vs 9ers rivalry spurred by Davis and Dockett going back and forth.


    Ya I wasnt trying to show any disrespect, just trying to point out in my OP that sometimes beating your division rival alone isn't enough to win the division.
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  • bestfightstory wrote:
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    Amazing how adding a 2nd round pick has people all of a sudden thinking the 49ers are unbeatable, when yesterday most of us thought we would be the favorites. Really, I dont think one 2nd round pick is going to be the difference in us or the 49ers winning the division.



    Hmmm. Your first sentence above is either bold conjecture or meant for another thread. Unbeatable? Is that what people are saying? Or are you engaging in hyperbole.

    And I imagine this board would be pretty ecstatic if the Seahawks obtained the FIRST pick in the second round.

    It's a big deal, especially as close as these two teams are, talent-wise.

    42-13.

    Yeah, really close.
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  • ^yeah. The results from one game sez it all. Gimme a break. San Fran had a lot going against them playing two of the best teams in the league in back to back weeks and both PrimeTime and both on the road in two of the most difficult places to come into and win. I won $800 on that game betting on Seattle to win and I have a picture of the ticket to prove it. Risked nearly a grand. That's how confident I was in my team that night. Big deal.

    Try to bring some substance to the conversation, please. Please? Or don't. I guess I shouldn't really care.
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  • To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.


    You're missing the point. Read the context of Salish's post. He claims the talent level of the two teams isn't close because of the differential in score of that one game.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.


    Do you guys compare playing at the Redskins the same as playing at New England in December?
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.


    Do you guys compare playing at the Redskins the same as playing at New England in December?

    Oh please, it was RAINING in your game. We're used to cold rain around here in December and January. You know, since it's Seattle. Typically not quite as cold as it was in that one, but...Again. PLEASE. If it had been a blizzard out there, you'd have a point. Not to mention, we beat the Jets in a ton of snow when Favre was with them, in our house.

    bestfightstory wrote:You're missing the point. Read the context of Salish's post. He claims the talent level of the two teams isn't close because of the differential in score of that one game.

    Naw, I get that, and agree with you; I was just speaking more to your point, is all.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.


    Do you guys compare playing at the Redskins the same as playing at New England in December?


    No. 'We guys' don't. And if Roland were to think about it, he wouldn't either. It's a moot point. We smashed you guys the last time we played you and I don't expect many (if any) of our near future matches to be as lopsided. Both our teams are too good for that to be the norm.
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  • BFS, I'm not comparing them, I was just saying that the "New England in December" conditions the 49ers played in were mild, considering what that can typically mean. He implied those conditions were hell, when they weren't really that bad; and that's all I'm saying about that.
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  • He wasn't implying those weather conditions were hell.

    He was playing off my point that New England and Seattle are incredibly difficult places to win games for the opposition.

    He was referring to the fact that the Patriots AT HOME IN DECEMBER are about 80(exaggeration, obviously)&1 in the last few years.

    Very difficult place to get a win in December. Weather aside.
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  • We're talking about the Patriots here though not the Jets. And the rain isn't the point as the Niners have no problems playing in the elements. The conditions weren't what I was focusing on so you miss understood that. Tom Brady hadn't lost at home in the month of December since 2002 against coincidently the Jets.

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  • bestfightstory wrote:
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    RolandDeschain wrote:To be fair, BFS, if we aren't using that as an excuse for losing to the Falcons; then it shouldn't be used to benefit the 49ers in their loss to us, certainly.


    Do you guys compare playing at the Redskins the same as playing at New England in December?


    No. 'We guys' don't. And if Roland were to think about it, he wouldn't either. It's a moot point. We smashed you guys the last time we played you and I don't expect many (if any) of our near future matches to be as lopsided. Both our teams are too good for that to be the norm.


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  • Ah. I misunderstood what you meant, indeed. However, Foxborough isn't particularly loud; the advantage they enjoy is due mainly to the fact that they've been an incredibly elite team. That was an impressive streak they had, but going 10 years w/o losing in that month at home is really only 21 or so games, total. Not an unbreakable streak/record, certainly.

    I'm not trying to down-talk it, but teams that are elite for so long typically wind up with records like that, or nearly having records like it. Isn't Aaron Rodgers something like 45 TDs to 2 ints in the red zone at home, if I recall correctly?
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  • I'd say we have more volume of young talent than any other team not just the Hawks, course there has been plenty of talented teams who didnt live up to it. Weve got a great base to start from but football is a game that takes many things coming together, we'll see what happens. I wouldnt trade the Niners position in the NFL right now for any other team, the hord of top draft pics is just the icing on the cake. Hawks are in pretty good shape draft wise too so you guys have a big opportunity there as well.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:06 am
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    How will we Seahawks keep pace?



    Enter Percy Harvin.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:36 am
  • Goldrush wrote:I'd say we have more volume of young talent than any other team not just the Hawks


    Not to slap you around with hard facts or anything, (oh, who am I kidding; that's exactly what I'm doing) but the 49ers are one of the oldest teams in the league.

    http://www.nflen.com/2012/09/average-ag ... uding.html

    Sorry to burst your "volume of young talent" bubble. Rams and Seahawks are significantly younger than the 28th-ranked 49ers.
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  • Anquan Boldin to SF for a 6th round pick.

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  • Nooooo!!! i would rather have the boldin deal.
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  • Meh. I'd rather have Percy for the payload we gave off than Boldin for a 6th, easily.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:Anquan Boldin to SF for a 6th round pick.

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    good move for them. Hope Kam doesn't fined again for knocking his head off.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:29 pm
  • Who's fretting the Cards are gona step up next...2014 3rd rounder for CARSON PALMER!?!?!?!
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:33 pm
  • One positive about the Boldin deal?

    He's due $6M, the Niners aren't sitting on a ton of cap space.. so I think we can put to bed the Revis to SF rumors.

    Quite frankly I think Sherman and Browner matchup fine with Crabtree and Boldin.. don't think they have a DB that can slow down Harvin though.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:47 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:One positive about the Boldin deal?

    He's due $6M, the Niners aren't sitting on a ton of cap space.. so I think we can put to bed the Revis to SF rumors.

    Quite frankly I think Sherman and Browner matchup fine with Crabtree and Boldin.. don't think they have a DB that can slow down Harvin though.


    Are you forgetting that they just opened up a ton of cap space getting rid of Akers and Alex Smith? If they let Goldson go too, they have a ridiculous amount of room to sign another veteran or two.
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Re: The Niners Are Ahead In The Arms Race.
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:53 pm
  • QuickLightning wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:One positive about the Boldin deal?

    He's due $6M, the Niners aren't sitting on a ton of cap space.. so I think we can put to bed the Revis to SF rumors.

    Quite frankly I think Sherman and Browner matchup fine with Crabtree and Boldin.. don't think they have a DB that can slow down Harvin though.


    Are you forgetting that they just opened up a ton of cap space getting rid of Akers and Alex Smith? If they let Goldson go too, they have a ridiculous amount of room to sign another veteran or two.

    Niners were at about $14m in cap space with Akers and Smith out, Boldin would put them at $8m before signing any FAs or attempting to re-sign Goldson (which isn't going to happen, most likely).
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