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 Post subject: Re: Rumor: Hawks 'highly interested' in acquiring Darrelle Revis
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As much as the thought of Sherman/Revis/Thomas covering the field together really excites me as a fan, I don't think we should be sinking more resources into an area of strength.

The Seahawks and the 49ers both played the Falcons this year, a week apart. A team with arguably the most dangerous receiving weapons on offense in the entire NFL.

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- Roddy White 5 Rec 76 Yards 1 TD
- Julio Jones 6 Rec 59 Yards 0 TD
- Tony Gonzalez 6 Rec 51 Yards 1 TD

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- Roddy White 7 Rec 100 Yards 0 TD
- Julio Jones 11 Rec 182 Yards 2 TDs
- Tony Gonzalez 8 Rec 78 Yards 1 TD

Bear in mind, that even with a better front 7 and pass rush the 49ers secondary still did not perform as well as our secondary. Their team has like a bajillion 1st round draft picks! Our secondary is still being paid pennies relative to their performance, and they're all young!

Brandon Browner isn't a scrub, and on a lot of teams he would be their #1 corner. Sure he's not shutdown, but there's only like 2, or 3 at the most, in the league right now, and that's being generous.

I think it would be more productive to use those draft picks and money that would have gone to acquiring Revis to address other areas of actual weakness on our team and built our players up. I'd rather we use our resources to reward our players for working hard and becoming great players when no one else gave them an opportunity.

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If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...

Because Revis has never held out before? Even though he had multiple years left on his deal? Revis has a history getting his money while he can, then getting some more.

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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...


That's a good point and would make a deal much more palatable if he'd be more than a rental for next season only. The question is how much would you give up to make this trade happen?


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The only thing we're "highly interested" in doing in regards to Revis is pricing him out of the NFC West.

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I would love to have a CB group of BB, Sherm and Revis. Could we call it the Bermuda triangle?

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Please, please, front office, pull the trigger on this one! We could use a great third cornerback to replace Trufant/Thurmond!

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The only thing we're "highly interested" in doing in regards to Revis is pricing him out of the NFC West.


Exactly.


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RE: Contract

If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...


That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around. Nor does it change the fact we are going to give ridiculous money to Wilson in 2015. You can't have three massive contracts on the books like that at once. And this doesn't take into consideration Earl Thomas, Russell Okung, etc.

There's a reason why teams don't have arguably the two best shutdown CB's in the league on the same roster.

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ok lets get one thing settled first. PC is NOT going to move Brand Browner to SS and Cam to LB. just not going to happen. with that being said....

Make this deal. Give them Matt Flynn and a 3rd pick. Maybe even a 2nd round picks. Hell give them Browner. I think Matt Flynn and BB would be more then enough to make the deal Browner doesn't make that much money and has been to the probowl before. Matt flynn's contract isn't that bad and I bet you if they offered him the starting gig he might even be willing to take less money. We could use Revis even if its just to not let him go to the 49ers which I could see him ending up. We need to get him and keep him away from the other teams

*edit* I could see Revis taking less money after he buys in to play with us and I can see the other players taking less money to stay here as well. Just like the Packers and Patriots do all the time. Guys want to play for a good organization. They will take less money if they are in a good situation which we have. Good coaching, good FO, THE BEST facilities. Guys want to come here. Jets are a mess, why do you tihnk Revis has been banging them year after year for a new contract, b/c he wants to get the most out of a bad organization. I mean who really asks for a new contrat year after year after year AFTER getting a new one year after year after year. Someone who isn't happy with their current situation. And if wasn't the money b/c he was always brining in the money. The dude wants out. He probably doesn't like Rex Ryan. Everyone loves Pete. Bring this guy in. He will do wonders for us and help bring home a SB

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Because Revis has never held out before? Even though he had multiple years left on his deal? Revis has a history getting his money while he can, then getting some more.


Not really. As far as I'm aware he's not missed any games via hold out. He earned $6m in base salary this year, or as it's otherwise known... $5m less Nnamdi. He still played despite all the threats.

And when he gets paid what he's worth to be a premier NFL defensive player, I suspect he'll get on with it. He'll want rings to go with the $$$$.


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We need a stud defensive lineman, not a CB(our area of strength). This is a ridiculous story.


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ok lets get one thing settled first. PC is NOT going to move Brand Browner to SS and Cam to LB. just not going to happen. with that being said....

Make this deal. Give them Matt Flynn and a 3rd pick. Maybe even a 2nd round picks. Hell give them Browner. I think Matt Flynn and BB would be more then enough to make the deal Browner doesn't make that much money and has been to the probowl before. Matt flynn's contract isn't that bad and I bet you if they offered him the starting gig he might even be willing to take less money. We could use Revis even if its just to not let him go to the 49ers which I could see him ending up. We need to get him and keep him away from the other teams

*edit* I could see Revis taking less money after he buys in to play with us and I can see the other players taking less money to stay here as well. Just like the Packers and Patriots do all the time. Guys want to play for a good organization. They will take less money if they are in a good situation which we have. Good coaching, good FO, THE BEST facilities. Guys want to come here. Jets are a mess, why do you tihnk Revis has been banging them year after year for a new contract, b/c he wants to get the most out of a bad organization. I mean who really asks for a new contrat year after year after year AFTER getting a new one year after year after year. Someone who isn't happy with their current situation. And if wasn't the money b/c he was always brining in the money. The dude wants out. He probably doesn't like Rex Ryan. Everyone loves Pete. Bring this guy in. He will do wonders for us and help bring home a SB


On what authority do you speak of?
just how do you know, did he say someting?

Doubt if the 49ers would be interested, they are about to have a cap explosion.


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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


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Just Say No To Revis! We need a pass rush. If you think our secondary is good now, imagine if we had a top 10 pass rush. Give me Melton, Starks or Bryant at DT and Osi, Avril or William Hayes at DE this off season. Oh and draft the best DLinemen available in the draft. Revis and Sherman might be able to cover forever but what about our other corners and linebackers.


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This would be a big mistake. PC/JS have demonstrated their ability to find quality db's at will. We don't need to devote top dollars to that position when we have much more pressing needs.


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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury want. Just my opinion.

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We need a stud defensive lineman, not a CB(our area of strength). This is a ridiculous story.


what the hell does that have to do with it........not mutually exclusive....get both and add another fantastic draft! duh!


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Havnt read the whole thread so dont know if this has been brought up, but having Revis and Sherman would help the pass rush in two ways. First, and most obvious, QB's would have a harder time finding open receivers forcing them to hold onto the ball a lot longer. Secondly, rather then upgrading personnel it would allow us to scheme more pressure. With Revis and Sherman shutting down their man it woudl allow for many more exotic blitz formations and play calls.

Plus, there's no reason we can't bring in Revis AND d'line help. Especially if Flynn would be part of the trade freeing up more cap space.

If i'm Seahawks management I'd be all in for this move. Not worried about salary cap implications. There are always ways around the salary cap, plus Pete and John have shown they can restock the roster with quality cheap players if we do lose a few due to money issues.


Honestly, I cant believe anybody would argue against this. It baffles me.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!

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I not buy it. Sounds like agent speak to me


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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury need. Just my opinion.



What point have I missed? You claimed we'd have two cornerbacks earning ridiculous money. Whether my proposition is likely or not is open to debate, but I formulated an idea that shows even if you pay Revis the best contract ever given to a cornerback and pay Richard Sherman a deal that matches Champ Bailey and Nnamdi's current deals, you're still paying both players on average $3-4m less than the Seahawks are due to pay Zach Miller in 2013.

That level of investment doesn't stop you re-signing those other players. Tom Brady's cap hit in 2013 and 2014 will be $22m alone. New England still have Wilfork, Welker on the franchise tag plus a cluster of others. They've been able to keep the players they want. The proposal I suggested would mean the Seahawks are paying $14m for two players in 2013 and 2014 and $17.5m in 2015/16 if Sherman signs a substantial $10m a year contract. So I don't think this trade automatically denies you the opportunity to re-sign Okung and Thomas who in fairness cannot expect major pay hikes given their deals were already pretty good as part of the old CBA. I've only suggested a plan until 2016 - and Seattle aren't even allowed to negotiate with Wilson until later in his deal which will keep that cheap for at least two more years.

I'm not saying I'm all in on this... but trading for Revis doesn't mean you have to break up anything. And the interior pass rusher that me and you both covet can still potentially be found at a dirt cheap price in the draft, as long as Carroll and Schneider continue to work their magic.


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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


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the one and only goal is to win the superbowl.
rather than debating whether or not we should trade for revis it is much more effective to debate what we can get for matt flynn that will provide the greatest probability to win the superbowl.

if you have an idea better than revis speak up....
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What point have I missed? You claimed we'd have two cornerbacks earning ridiculous money. Whether my proposition is likely or not is open to debate, but I formulated an idea that shows even if you pay Revis the best contract ever given to a cornerback and pay Richard Sherman a deal that matches Champ Bailey and Nnamdi's current deals, you're still paying both players on average $3-4m less than the Seahawks are due to pay Zach Miller in 2013.

That level of investment doesn't stop you re-signing those other players. Tom Brady's cap hit in 2013 and 2014 will be $22m alone. New England still have Wilfork, Welker on the franchise tag plus a cluster of others. They've been able to keep the players they want. The proposal I suggested would mean the Seahawks are paying $14m for two players in 2013 and 2014 and $17.5m in 2015/16 if Sherman signs a substantial $10m a year contract. So I don't think this trade automatically denies you the opportunity to re-sign Okung and Thomas who in fairness cannot expect major pay hikes given their deals were already pretty good as part of the old CBA. I've only suggested a plan until 2016 - and Seattle aren't even allowed to negotiate with Wilson until later in his deal which will keep that cheap for at least two more years.

I'm not saying I'm all in on this... but trading for Revis doesn't mean you have to break up anything. And the interior pass rusher that me and you both covet can still potentially be found at a dirt cheap price in the draft, as long as Carroll and Schneider continue to work their magic.


There's a lot of assumption in your numbers and what you "think" Revis would accept. Hard to say. I think you are way under-selling what Revis would cost. If he wants $60 million guaranteed (as pointed out in this thread) - which would be commensurate with his elite talent - there's no way his cap hit is going to be anything less than $10 million a season. Revis, Sherman, Thomas, Okung, Chancellor, Wilson, Tate, probably Wagner, potentially even Irvin if he develops. That's a LOT of pennies to take from the bank.

Nothing "automatically" denies re-signing players, but it's a consideration. I'm sure the front office will do what's best.

It doesn't really matter what New England is doing - totally different team and construct. They don't have a stack of young up and coming stars on their roster either. And FYI, New England will most likely let Welker go to free agency because he is too expensive now.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


No sh*t. I guess sarcasm isn't your thing?

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there not available sherlock



He was being sarcastic, Sherlock.

I say, if there's cap room, go for the Revis acquisition. Adding more competition for the DB's can do no harm.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


He was being sarcastic, Sherlock.

I say, if there's cap room, go for the Revis acquisition. Adding more competition for the DB's can do no harm.


:D

Thought it was pretty obvious...

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


No sh*t. I guess sarcasm isn't your thing?

Wake up.


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I'm awake friend....
go to sleep....


Ok, then you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

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I'm awake friend....
go to sleep....


Ok, then you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.


Whatever dude. Bigger fish to fry.


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There's a lot of assumption in your numbers and what you "think" Revis would accept. Hard to say. I think you are way under-selling what Revis would cost. If he wants $60 million guaranteed (as pointed out in this thread) - which would be commensurate with his elite talent - there's no way his cap hit is going to be anything less than $10 million a season. Revis, Sherman, Thomas, Okung, Chancellor, Wilson, Tate, probably Wagner, potentially even Irvin if he develops. That's a LOT of pennies to take from the bank.

Nothing "automatically" denies re-signing players, but it's a consideration. I'm sure the front office will do what's best.

It doesn't really matter what New England is doing - totally different team and construct. They don't have a stack of young up and coming stars on their roster either. And FYI, New England will most likely let Welker go to free agency because he is too expensive now.


I admitted in both my previous posts that I was throwing the numbers out there and that they were open to debate. It wasn't an assumption because I was merely using examples to explain my point. However, I also made both contracts deliberately large for the examples. The highest salary paid to a cornerback is $11m (Champ Bailey, Nnamdi). By putting forward $14m per year for 2013-14 I not only beat that, but also got closer to the $16m he's reportedly 'looking for'. It stands to reason that there's probably a point where both parties can meet and even then $14m is closer to $16m than $11m. By giving him $7m in 2015/16 he's averaging over $10m per year. I think a four year contract would be fair to start with, so I don't think my numbers -- even as an example -- were ridiculous.

He will struggle to get $60m. And by that I mean nobody will pay that. Mario Williams got $50m guaranteed, was a free agent and wasn't coming off ACL surgery.

The reason I highlighted New England was to show they are paying one man -- Tom Brady -- an incredible amount of money. And yet they are still able to retain their key players. They have one guy set to earn $22m in each of the next two years. They are not losing every other player who is hitting the market in NE. And if they do lose Welker, it's because Bill Belichick has decided it's time to move on. They've been bitching at each other for ages. I actually think he'll end up staying there though.

Signing Revis does not stop the Seahawks re-signing their players. Another great example here is the Zach Miller contract. He is earning $11m in 2013, which as I pointed out previously would be $3-4m more than the average cost of Sherman and Revis. Miller is due to earn considerably less than that in 2014/15 and he's an UFA in 2016. So any extra cost you take on paying Revis and Sherman is off-set by Miller's contract coming off the books. Sidney Rice's $10m a year deal ends at the same time. So you're talking about a good $20m coming off the cap by the time Wilson's new contract is negotiated.

Bringing in a superstar player doesn't prevent you from doing anything. The issue we should be debating here really isn't whether we can afford Revis -- because we almost certainly can. It's whether we want to invest a possible first round pick and taken on a player coming off an ACL. Those are concerns, the big positive is before the injury he was among the best 2-3 defensive players in the entire NFL. He could be #1. So it's an interesting little debate for those reasons. But we can almost certainly afford to do it if we really wanted to.


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i would only trade for him if flynn was part of the deal and would give up nothing more the 3rd round pick and another (non-starter) player for him. I don't anticipate that is the best the jets can get but it's the most id give.

Flynn, 3rd rd pick + Jeremy Lane -->> Revis
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The issue we should be debating here really isn't whether we can afford Revis -- because we almost certainly can. It's whether we want to invest a possible first round pick and taken on a player coming off an ACL. Those are concerns


Agreed - and I pointed that out earlier in the thread, both the draft pick and his injury concern me.

What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.

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What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.


He's due a seven-figure payment shortly after the new league year opens on March 12th. That could put pressure on the Jets to make a deal. Basically New York has almost no leverage in these talks. They get nothing for him next year and cannot franchise tag him. They're banking on Revis' star quality getting the job done... but they're fighting against teams looking for value and a player demanding crazy money because he wants to put teams off a trade. He know he's 12 months away from being a free agent. He doesn't want to jut negotiate with one team. So he could force a market between teams and then the price comes down even further in terms of compensation. I think the only loser out of all this will be the Jets.


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This guy is still considered by most to be the best corner in the league, we would have the best 2 corners in the league with this trade, I hope we make this


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What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.


He's due a seven-figure payment shortly after the new league year opens on March 12th. That could put pressure on the Jets to make a deal. Basically New York has almost no leverage in these talks. They get nothing for him next year and cannot franchise tag him. They're banking on Revis' star quality getting the job done... but they're fighting against teams looking for value and a player demanding crazy money because he wants to put teams off a trade. He know he's 12 months away from being a free agent. He doesn't want to jut negotiate with one team. So he could force a market between teams and then the price comes down even further in terms of compensation. I think the only loser out of all this will be the Jets.


Spot on. I wonder if that means they will accept less than a 1st rounder...?

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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury want. Just my opinion.

You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


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I could see it, if JS and PC has this in mind...

Revis and Sherman on the outside.... seriously that is terrifying to think about.
Granted Revis to my knowledge has never played extensively press coverage, but if they want him I trust they believe they can do it.

Browner moves to SS.

Kam moves to Will.

I don't know if that would work, but if they are really interested I assume that would be the plan. Browner IMO would be a liablity in the slot, as it would take away his greatest strenght.


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You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


Other than the concept that your comparison makes absolutely no sense...it's just an opinion. I've stated my reasons repeatedly in this thread.

"If we can" is a no sh*tter. It's also a no sh*tter that we need to consider the long-term impact.

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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.

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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


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1. We don't buy top free agents.

2. The article was pretty weak.

3. Namdi Ashmunga.

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Just a random thought...

But I find it kinda funny that people are freaking out about the idea of paying a ton of money to the best CB in the NFL, but have no problem paying a ton of money to a backup QB who will never play unless a major injury occurs.

This is why, even though the QB $ is somewhat low, I still hate the idea of paying a majority of that $ to a non-contributor. That $ can go towards a player that can be a consistent impact on the field.

Not pointed at anybody, just kind of a funny observation of this thread. I still think Revis is a .01% chance of happening for SEA.


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theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


Exactly!

the one and only goal is to win the superbowl.
rather than debating whether or not we should trade for revis it is much more effective to debate what we can get for matt flynn that will provide the greatest probability to win the superbowl.

if you have an idea better than revis speak up....
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I don't like Revis to the Hawks. The two areas of real strength are at QB and CB. I much rather like a draft pick coming in and playing nickel to get reps.

If they were going to actually invest in elite talent, I would rather it come at DL for pass rush, but a guy that can also close the holes.

This team is built of solid players, most developed by the team and through the draft. The way this FO drafts, I say forget Revis. For the money he won't give us much more than we have.

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