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  • Hawkspur wrote:As much as I'd love Revis on the Hawks...if we're investing stackloads of cash and high draft picks into someone elses player could we please hassle Detroit into giving us Ndamukong Suh?


    He's not available.
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  • joeshaney wrote:
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    SuperHawks wrote:Unless the Jets are willing to swap him for Flynn and a mid rounder I don't see it. We've got our own players who are gonna get paid soon enough so why bother giving up anything significant for a one year rental.


    :lol:

    The Jets are trying to clear cap room, not add a big contract for a big contract.

    If this happens we're giving up picks.. maybe Lane since he's cheap


    You are correct, however, if they bring in Matt Flynn's 5.25 million dollar cap hit they would also be deducting Revis's $6, Sanchez's $14, and Tebow's $6 million.

    That's a net decrease of almost $21 milliIon. I understand this number may be subject to cap penalty, but only if they don't find a trade partner for Tebow as I believe Sanchez can be cut at any time without penalty after he restructured last year (might be wrong on this).


    Cutting Sanchez does nothing. They're stuck with his salary no matter what. They can cut Bart Scott + Calvin Pace and free up $17M .. but still.. you've subtracted 3 key guys from a defense that isn't getting any better. They wouldn't take on Flynn at that salary.

    Idzik is going to want to build the Jets up similar to how PC/JS have built this team up - via the draft. They will want picks for Revis if he's moved.. guaranteed.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:We need an elite corner less than any other team in the league. This isn't happening, people; get real.

    We are sharing a brain today. This is never going to happen.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:

    Idzik is going to want to build the Jets up similar to how PC/JS have built this team up - via the draft. They will want picks for Revis if he's moved.. guaranteed.


    And who is a team in our division with LOTS of picks? :shock:
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  • joeshaney wrote:You are correct, however, if they bring in Matt Flynn's 5.25 million dollar cap hit they would also be deducting Revis's $6, Sanchez's $14, and Tebow's $6 million.

    That's a net decrease of almost $21 milliIon. I understand this number may be subject to cap penalty, but only if they don't find a trade partner for Tebow as I believe Sanchez can be cut at any time without penalty after he restructured last year (might be wrong on this).


    Spotract lists Revis at $783K signing bonus - should hit Jets cap not ours

    Then it shows base salary of $4.5 million and misc bonus of $6.2 so potential cap hit removed is almost $11 million. So that is a $6 millino saving if they get Flynn

    Personally I think someone picks up Tebow of waiver or with a 7th rounder. I would be interested in a trade of Jets Tebow and 7th rounder for a 7th rounder lol - not sure if that is allowed. All to remove the cap hit

    Now Tebow is only $4 million cap hit if he stays on roster with $2.5 for 2013 - not sure what part of that is guaranteed

    Regardless of their salary situation and how much in qb spot. They are not starting Sanchez next year, they are not starting Tebow next year. They need a qb.........
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  • joeshaney wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:As much as I'd love Revis on the Hawks...if we're investing stackloads of cash and high draft picks into someone elses player could we please hassle Detroit into giving us Ndamukong Suh?


    He's not available.


    Of course Detroit that has cap issue wouldn't want to move a person underperforming his contract who is stuck in controversy every week........ :sarcasm_off:
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:We need an elite corner less than any other team in the league. This isn't happening, people; get real.

    Yeah, and after all, Revis to the 9rs, Rams, or Cards would kinda help even the playing field in the NFC WEST.
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  • 2 part post here:

    1) I am not going to say this is impossible, but it is very, very unrealistic. Salary and compensation (ie the 2 greatest factors) do not play in our favor. Yes, we have nice cap room, but we are also looking at some huge deals in the near future for our young corps (ET, RW, Sherm, etc). Likewise, you know that one (1) team will offer up something ridiculous, and that team most definitely will not be the Seahawks (see: history of PC/JS). We value our picks and losing a bunch of them is not the MO of this staff, and certainly not for a position of strength on this team (whether that is sheer talent or scheme manipulation).

    2) Even if Revis is a luxury (to an extent) you never, ever turn your back on making your team better. Think of it this way...would you trade James Carpenter (and I really like Carpenter) for Darrelle Revis right now? The resounding answer should be "well no sh!t Sherlock." In essence (granted hindsight), this is a possible scenario trading Revis for a 1st rounder. Now, you could obviously "miss" the chance of drafting a great player, at the same time. The point is, you know what you are getting with Revis, even if he is coming off of an injury. ACL, like Tommy John (which I've had) is so advanced nowadays, that it takes an (anti) miracle to not come back from it. Is it a luxury? Sure it is. But, you are also talking about a player who drastically changes what you can do on defense.

    All I am trying to illustrate, is that even though this is a highly improbable scenario, it does in fact make sense from a strictly "make your team better" point of view. I think Browner is a terrific CB, but he's not Revis. And like I said, further enhancing a strength, is never a bad thing, as long as it doesn't completely jeopardize and weaken a weakness.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:We need an elite corner less than any other team in the league. This isn't happening, people; get real.

    Yeah, and after all, Revis to the 9rs, Rams, or Cards would kinda help even the playing field in the NFC WEST.

    Now, the Seahawks getting involved to drive the price up for our rivals, that I can see.
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  • mikeak wrote:
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    Hawkspur wrote:As much as I'd love Revis on the Hawks...if we're investing stackloads of cash and high draft picks into someone elses player could we please hassle Detroit into giving us Ndamukong Suh?


    He's not available.


    Of course Detroit that has cap issue wouldn't want to move a person underperforming his contract who is stuck in controversy every week........ :sarcasm_off:


    they dont.... at all
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  • Mtjhoyas wrote:2 part post here:

    1) I am not going to say this is impossible, but it is very, very unrealistic. Salary and compensation (ie the 2 greatest factors) do not play in our favor. Yes, we have nice cap room, but we are also looking at some huge deals in the near future for our young corps (ET, RW, Sherm, etc). Likewise, you know that one (1) team will offer up something ridiculous, and that team most definitely will not be the Seahawks (see: history of PC/JS). We value our picks and losing a bunch of them is not the MO of this staff, and certainly not for a position of strength on this team (whether that is sheer talent or scheme manipulation).

    2) Even if Revis is a luxury (to an extent) you never, ever turn your back on making your team better. Think of it this way...would you trade James Carpenter (and I really like Carpenter) for Darrelle Revis right now? The resounding answer should be "well no sh!t Sherlock." In essence (granted hindsight), this is a possible scenario trading Revis for a 1st rounder. Now, you could obviously "miss" the chance of drafting a great player, at the same time. The point is, you know what you are getting with Revis, even if he is coming off of an injury. ACL, like Tommy John (which I've had) is so advanced nowadays, that it takes an (anti) miracle to not come back from it. Is it a luxury? Sure it is. But, you are also talking about a player who drastically changes what you can do on defense.

    All I am trying to illustrate, is that even though this is a highly improbable scenario, it does in fact make sense from a strictly "make your team better" point of view. I think Browner is a terrific CB, but he's not Revis. And like I said, further enhancing a strength, is never a bad thing, as long as it doesn't completely jeopardize and weaken a weakness.


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  • joeshaney wrote:
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    SuperHawks wrote:Unless the Jets are willing to swap him for Flynn and a mid rounder I don't see it. We've got our own players who are gonna get paid soon enough so why bother giving up anything significant for a one year rental.


    :lol:

    The Jets are trying to clear cap room, not add a big contract for a big contract.

    If this happens we're giving up picks.. maybe Lane since he's cheap


    You are correct, however, if they bring in Matt Flynn's 5.25 million dollar cap hit they would also be deducting Revis's $6, Sanchez's $14, and Tebow's $6 million.

    That's a net decrease of almost $21 milliIon. I understand this number may be subject to cap penalty, but only if they don't find a trade partner for Tebow as I believe Sanchez can be cut at any time without penalty after he restructured last year (might be wrong on this).


    They can't get rid of sanchez contract. The guarenteed money is cost prohibitive they would have to take a cap hit of 17.1 million (3 million more that keeping him) Sanchez will be on the Jets roster next year
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  • Well this is what some Jets fans want for Revis: this is totally realistic :17:


    Packers- Clay Matthews, Morgan Burnett and 1st Round picks in 2013/2014

    Broncos- Von Miller, Eric Decker, 2 1st round picks 2013/2014

    Seahawks- Richard Sherman, Bruce Irvin, 2 1st Round Picks 2013/2014

    49ers- Aldon Smith and a 1st Round Pick

    Patriots- every pick for the rest of the existence

    Bills- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha maybe Dareus and 3 1st Round Picks

    all showing interest, those are the deals I would accept from them
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  • If we got him for cheap, I'd be all for it.

    But I don't see the point in investing a ton into having 2 shutdown corners.

    Are we really that concerned about opposing teams' #2 receivers? I think Browner does just fine for the most part when it comes to stopping that kind of talent. I certainly won't scoff at a Sherman-Revis tandem but I do think that it's a huge luxury that quickly becomes not worth the pricetag.
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  • Here's how these things work with nebulous "anonymous source" type rumors.

    Step #1: Look at which teams have enough cap room to afford player
    Step #2: Is there prior history or ties between two teams
    Step #3: Float rumor in 200 different directions and see if anything sticks to the wall
    Step #4: Cut a hole in the box.
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  • Unless Revis puts on 130 pounds and becomes a penetrating 3-tech, he's not what we need (or can afford) on the D.
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  • "Seahawks- Richard Sherman, Bruce Irvin, 2 1st Round Picks 2013/2014"

    LMAO :chug: :thcocktail:
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  • I am a billion percent CERTAIN that the Hawks are HIGHLY interested in Revis. PC and JS are highly interested in everyone, even personal trainers like Chukwurah...

    It's nice to have a restless and diligent FO, but I doubt we'd ever come close to pulling the trigger on a deal.
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  • Revis is one of the premiere defensive players in the league. Of course the Seahawks are interested. Only stupid teams wouldn't be interested.

    Doesn't mean it will happen... but if it's the right deal for this team they'll go for it. And so they should too. You can never have enough good corners, let alone elite, lockdown corners like Revis who take away an entire side of the field consistently. You cannot throw at this guy.
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  • Question? Has any team ever had the 2 best lockdown corners in the NFL. Not saying it is going to happen, because frankly, I see the stategy behind it, but don't believe it will be a reality.

    I have a hard time imaging 2/3rd of a football field a complete "no fly zone"
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  • pinksheets wrote:If we got him for cheap, I'd be all for it.

    But I don't see the point in investing a ton into having 2 shutdown corners.

    Are we really that concerned about opposing teams' #2 receivers? I think Browner does just fine for the most part when it comes to stopping that kind of talent. I certainly won't scoff at a Sherman-Revis tandem but I do think that it's a huge luxury that quickly becomes not worth the pricetag.


    i second this post.. Browner VS. Julio Jones = shut down.. look what Jones did to SF...

    do we really need a spendy CB who may or may not be 100% again?
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  • For those worried acquiring Revis would jeopardize locking up our younger talent - don't be.. if we acquired him he'd be a 2 year rental.. then he'd hit the open market after 2014 and his salary would come off the books.

    It's not until 2014 that we will have to start locking guys up. Basically, we can do this trade if we want.. and I'm sorry, if the asking price is reasonable, you pull the damn trigger and don't think twice. Having the two best corners in football would be a MAJOR luxury. This isn't a running league anymore..
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  • Invest the money in pass rushers in free agency, especially a pocket collapser.

    That frees the draft up for offensive skill players and depth!
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  • With Sherman and Browner both being bigger guys, the Seahawks could use a corner to defend the speedy types.

    Revis is damn good. I hope it happens.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:Invest the money in pass rushers in free agency, especially a pocket collapser.

    That frees the draft up for offensive skill players and depth!


    What pass rushers are really out there and available though?

    Darrelle Revis is so good.. he and Sherman would make our pass rush look a LOT better.
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  • Basis4day wrote:"We usually try not to move Pro Bowl players to different positions," - John Schneider


    Usually being the operative word.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:Invest the money in pass rushers in free agency, especially a pocket collapser.

    That frees the draft up for offensive skill players and depth!


    What pass rushers are really out there and available though?

    Darrelle Revis is so good.. he and Sherman would make our pass rush look a LOT better.


    Randy Starks and Henry Melton, for starters.

    I'd love to have Revis too, but it's a luxury we can't afford. We don't want to take on that kind of money when we have a huge list of our young core stars coming due for huge raises in the next 2-3 years, not to mention the windfall Wilson will get in 2015.

    Our DB's already play exceptional. There's not much more they can do to help the pass rush, but that's a "chicken or the egg" argument anyways.
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  • sainthawk29 wrote:Question? Has any team ever had the 2 best lockdown corners in the NFL. Not saying it is going to happen, because frankly, I see the stategy behind it, but don't believe it will be a reality.

    I have a hard time imaging 2/3rd of a football field a complete "no fly zone"



    The best I can think of is Lester Hayes and Micheal Haynes of the Raiders.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:. This isn't a running league anymore..


    The two Superbowl teams beg to differ.............and the asking price would be HUGE for Revis. At least a 1st rounder, if not 1st and 2nd.

    No thanks, not an area of need. If any team is looking to trade their all pro DT or DE, get back to me.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:. This isn't a running league anymore..


    The two Superbowl teams beg to differ.............and the asking price would be HUGE for Revis. At least a 1st rounder, if not 1st and 2nd.

    No thanks, not an area of need. If any team is looking to trade their all pro DT or DE, get back to me.


    I don't consider Baltimore a running team. I consider them a running team that has a play where Flacco throws it as far as he can and Bouldin trys to catch it.
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  • Okay some thoughts on this:

    #1: Idzik is in his first days at GM and just a few days ago he was a compatriot of John Schneider. It's conceivably possible that Seattle has no real interest, but is getting involved to help drive up the price as a favor to a friend. Having a friendly GM on the other side of the NFL owing you a favor is never a bad thing.

    #2: It's not delusional to think Seattle would have interest. Schneider's MO is due diligence.

    #3: If the NFL was without a true salary cap (like MLB), Revis would not be getting traded. But the Jets are well over the cap already and would be highly unlikely to keep Revis next season. This deal is all about saving money and squeezing value out of Revis before he walks next season. From Idzik's perspective, trading Revis makes a ton of sense.

    #4: So what does Idzik want? Good yet cheap players because cheap players help cure salary cap ailments. Idzik knows our roster very well- and Seattle has no shortage of quality players on cheap contracts. Draft picks are a great way to get good, cheap players too. So I see fertile ground there.

    #5: Why would Seattle do it? Because Browner is a free agent after next season and might command a large price next offseason. Remember when the Seahawks traded for Zach Miller and people asked "why? we already have John Carlson?" As it turned out, Seattle decided they'd rather pay a little more for a far better player. If Seattle did trade for Revis, it would likely spell the end of Browner here, and since Browner is on a low cost 1 year deal it's possible he could be a part of the trade.

    It really depends on the deal, but if Seattle created a reasonable win-win package for Revis (maybe a 2nd rounder and a couple of good, cheap players such as Jeremy Lane and/or Doug Baldwin), I think it would be worth it. Revis on his next big contract will only cost a few million a year more than Browner would, and Browner might not even have a ton of years left playing corner before he has to move to safety. Revis only makes $6 million next season (though Seattle would probably ask for an extension before signing off on the trade) and for the right price wouldn't necessarily inhibit Seattle's ability to pursue pass rushers in free agency or the draft. I don't think it will happen, but I could see it.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:
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    FlyingGreg wrote:Invest the money in pass rushers in free agency, especially a pocket collapser.

    That frees the draft up for offensive skill players and depth!


    What pass rushers are really out there and available though?

    Darrelle Revis is so good.. he and Sherman would make our pass rush look a LOT better.


    Randy Starks and Henry Melton, for starters.

    I'd love to have Revis too, but it's a luxury we can't afford. We don't want to take on that kind of money when we have a huge list of our young core stars coming due for huge raises in the next 2-3 years, not to mention the windfall Wilson will get in 2015.

    Our DB's already play exceptional. There's not much more they can do to help the pass rush, but that's a "chicken or the egg" argument anyways.


    Melton is likely getting tagged.. I wouldn't mind Starks either, but Revis > Starks on everyday ending in Y.

    It's a pretty deep draft at DT. If you got Revis with a 2nd + other lower picks and maybe Lane.. why not? I believe this FO can find a gem for the DL in the draft at some point. They however will not find Darrelle Revis.

    As far as affordability .. his contract is done in 2014. We could afford him and still be fine extending Wilson, Sherman, etc.

    I think this opportunity is a lot more real than you might believe.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    sainthawk29 wrote:I could see it, if JS and PC has this in mind...

    Revis and Sherman on the outside.... seriously that is terrifying to think about.
    Granted Revis to my knowledge has never played extensively press coverage, but if they want him I trust they believe they can do it.

    Browner moves to SS.

    Kam moves to Will.

    I don't know if that would work, but if they are really interested I assume that would be the plan. Browner IMO would be a liablity in the slot, as it would take away his greatest strenght.


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  • Another reason why this will never happen: Idzik just came from Seattle. How's it going to look for him if he deals the Jets' best player to his old boss for anything less than a perceived home run deal (i.e. something more than 1st & 2nd round picks). The NY media would destroy him.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:Another reason why this will never happen: Idzik just came from Seattle. How's it going to look for him if he deals the Jets' best player to his old boss for anything less than a perceived home run deal (i.e. something more than 1st & 2nd round picks). The NY media would destroy him.


    Cause Revis is pretty much guaranteed to walk next year for nothing, while they stay in severe cap trouble. Why not get young talent he already knows about plus a decently high draft pick for a guy who doesn't want to be there? The Patriots did that throughout the past decade with success.

    Armchair GM opinion is I would give them Flynn, a 2nd rounder, and a guy like Lane/Browner/Baldwin for Revis and a 4th. Idzik doesn't want Tebow there and Sanchez has proven he can't be effective without a dominate running game. Flynn's contract is not demanding at all and he would realistically beat out Sanchez in preseason. Revis allows us to not need Earl always watching over Browner's side and having him and Sherm on the outsides will in itself improve our pass rush. Browner will want a bigger contract when his is finished, so why not pay a few extra million for another lock down corner? And who knows, maybe Revis buys into our defense and doesn't demand the enormous contract to stick around.

    Now, none of this matters if Revis demands an enormous contract regardless of the trade, because JS won't do it. And if the Jets try to fleece us for a 1st and 2nd plus a player it isn't going to happen.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote: Melton is likely getting tagged.. I wouldn't mind Starks either, but Revis > Starks on everyday ending in Y.

    It's a pretty deep draft at DT. If you got Revis with a 2nd + other lower picks and maybe Lane.. why not? I believe this FO can find a gem for the DL in the draft at some point. They however will not find Darrelle Revis.

    As far as affordability .. his contract is done in 2014. We could afford him and still be fine extending Wilson, Sherman, etc.

    I think this opportunity is a lot more real than you might believe.


    "Revis > Starks" ... not so fast. We need a player like Starks, we don't "need" Revis. Our secondary is the strength of the defense. I'm not sure we hang our hopes on drafting the immediate impact D line players we need. I see us going into free agency for that.

    Revis contract actually voids after 2013. It will get murky, because the only way a team is going to trade for him is to agree to a new deal ahead of time - they won't spend the capital it will take to trade for him when he could be a free agent after the 2013 season. He is probbaly looking for a deal in the $100 million range. And, it might be wishful thinking that they would give him up for a 2nd and some players - they are believed to be seeking a 1st and a 2nd, but of course they may not have much room for a demand like that with their cap situation. Then there is the issue of his health....

    And of course, we'd have to pay Sherman as much as Revis in a few years as well. Talk about cap hell.

    I think this is fantasy more than a real opportunity, but it would be awesome to have him.
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  • Darelle Revis is very very good. And because of that the Jets are going to want a lot in return for him (like a 1st round pick plus something else of value (another pick or player)). The current front office values their draft picks very highly, and rightfully so based on how successful their picks have been during the first three years of the current regime. It is also because they have been so successful that they will have some difficult decisions to make regarding upcoming cap room. They will have to re-sign (if they're going to) Chancellor, Tate, Baldwin, Browner, Sherman, Thomas and Wright in the next two offseasons. This list didn't include lesser pieces McQuistan, Giacomini and Robinson. Because of the size of the contract that Revis is going to demand, if they traded for him they essentially lose three or four players: the draft pick(s) and/or players involved in the trade, plus one or more guys off of the list I just gave. This front office is too smart to make a move like this.

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  • SouthSoundHawk wrote:Haha, Revis is 24.


    Not on this team he wouldn't be, there's only one 24 on the Hawks, Beastmode :th2thumbs:

    On the topic of this, if we can get him for a reasonable price for two years till he walks then sure, but don't break the bank for him, its not needed.
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  • As much as the thought of Sherman/Revis/Thomas covering the field together really excites me as a fan, I don't think we should be sinking more resources into an area of strength.

    The Seahawks and the 49ers both played the Falcons this year, a week apart. A team with arguably the most dangerous receiving weapons on offense in the entire NFL.

    Seahawks results:

    - Roddy White 5 Rec 76 Yards 1 TD
    - Julio Jones 6 Rec 59 Yards 0 TD
    - Tony Gonzalez 6 Rec 51 Yards 1 TD

    49ers results:

    - Roddy White 7 Rec 100 Yards 0 TD
    - Julio Jones 11 Rec 182 Yards 2 TDs
    - Tony Gonzalez 8 Rec 78 Yards 1 TD

    Bear in mind, that even with a better front 7 and pass rush the 49ers secondary still did not perform as well as our secondary. Their team has like a bajillion 1st round draft picks! Our secondary is still being paid pennies relative to their performance, and they're all young!

    Brandon Browner isn't a scrub, and on a lot of teams he would be their #1 corner. Sure he's not shutdown, but there's only like 2, or 3 at the most, in the league right now, and that's being generous.

    I think it would be more productive to use those draft picks and money that would have gone to acquiring Revis to address other areas of actual weakness on our team and built our players up. I'd rather we use our resources to reward our players for working hard and becoming great players when no one else gave them an opportunity.
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  • RE: Contract

    If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

    After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

    One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:RE: Contract

    If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

    After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

    One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...

    Because Revis has never held out before? Even though he had multiple years left on his deal? Revis has a history getting his money while he can, then getting some more.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:RE: Contract

    If you front load a new deal for Revis with most of the $$$$ in 2013 and 2014... you have the two best cornerbacks in the NFL for the price of 1.5.

    After 2014, dip Revis' number and re-sign Sherman. You're still not paying both players a premium price at the same time.

    One way of getting around the fact you'd have to pay Revis. And also makes the idea of having the two best corners in the league more enticing...


    That's a good point and would make a deal much more palatable if he'd be more than a rental for next season only. The question is how much would you give up to make this trade happen?
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  • The only thing we're "highly interested" in doing in regards to Revis is pricing him out of the NFC West.
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  • I would love to have a CB group of BB, Sherm and Revis. Could we call it the Bermuda triangle?
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  • Please, please, front office, pull the trigger on this one! We could use a great third cornerback to replace Trufant/Thurmond!
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:The only thing we're "highly interested" in doing in regards to Revis is pricing him out of the NFC West.


    Exactly.
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