Rumor: Hawks 'highly interested' in acquiring Darrelle Revis

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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.


    He's due a seven-figure payment shortly after the new league year opens on March 12th. That could put pressure on the Jets to make a deal. Basically New York has almost no leverage in these talks. They get nothing for him next year and cannot franchise tag him. They're banking on Revis' star quality getting the job done... but they're fighting against teams looking for value and a player demanding crazy money because he wants to put teams off a trade. He know he's 12 months away from being a free agent. He doesn't want to jut negotiate with one team. So he could force a market between teams and then the price comes down even further in terms of compensation. I think the only loser out of all this will be the Jets.


    Spot on. I wonder if that means they will accept less than a 1st rounder...?
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    FlyingGreg wrote:That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


    If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

    Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

    Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


    You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

    Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

    This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

    It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury want. Just my opinion.

    You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    sainthawk29 wrote:I could see it, if JS and PC has this in mind...

    Revis and Sherman on the outside.... seriously that is terrifying to think about.
    Granted Revis to my knowledge has never played extensively press coverage, but if they want him I trust they believe they can do it.

    Browner moves to SS.

    Kam moves to Will.

    I don't know if that would work, but if they are really interested I assume that would be the plan. Browner IMO would be a liablity in the slot, as it would take away his greatest strenght.


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  • seahawks875 wrote:You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


    Other than the concept that your comparison makes absolutely no sense...it's just an opinion. I've stated my reasons repeatedly in this thread.

    "If we can" is a no sh*tter. It's also a no sh*tter that we need to consider the long-term impact.
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  • Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

    As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.
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  • lukerguy wrote:Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

    As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


    In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

    The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

    Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.
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  • 1. We don't buy top free agents.

    2. The article was pretty weak.

    3. Namdi Ashmunga.
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  • Just a random thought...

    But I find it kinda funny that people are freaking out about the idea of paying a ton of money to the best CB in the NFL, but have no problem paying a ton of money to a backup QB who will never play unless a major injury occurs.

    This is why, even though the QB $ is somewhat low, I still hate the idea of paying a majority of that $ to a non-contributor. That $ can go towards a player that can be a consistent impact on the field.

    Not pointed at anybody, just kind of a funny observation of this thread. I still think Revis is a .01% chance of happening for SEA.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    lukerguy wrote:Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

    As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


    In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

    The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

    Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


    Exactly!

    the one and only goal is to win the superbowl.
    rather than debating whether or not we should trade for revis it is much more effective to debate what we can get for matt flynn that will provide the greatest probability to win the superbowl.

    if you have an idea better than revis speak up....
    otherwise save your breath.
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  • I don't like Revis to the Hawks. The two areas of real strength are at QB and CB. I much rather like a draft pick coming in and playing nickel to get reps.

    If they were going to actually invest in elite talent, I would rather it come at DL for pass rush, but a guy that can also close the holes.

    This team is built of solid players, most developed by the team and through the draft. The way this FO drafts, I say forget Revis. For the money he won't give us much more than we have.
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  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    seahawks875 wrote:You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


    Other than the concept that your comparison makes absolutely no sense...it's just an opinion. I've stated my reasons repeatedly in this thread.

    "If we can" is a no sh*tter. It's also a no sh*tter that we need to consider the long-term impact.

    My point is that you take good players when you can get them whether you have a need thier or not
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    lukerguy wrote:Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

    As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


    In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

    The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

    Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


    Good, point but I do think 10MM is under projecting. I think he'll probably land somewhere in the middle at 12-13MM which still is a lot when you consider Sherm will be aiming for 10-13 as well soon.
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  • seahawks875 wrote:My point is that you take good players when you can get them whether you have a need thier or not


    We hear you! But then again.....we're saying he's not worth $12+ million!
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  • Not going to happen. There is no interest from Seattle. I call BS.
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  • Atradees wrote:1. We don't buy top free agents.

    2. The article was pretty weak.

    3. Namdi Ashmunga.


    We have a winner.

    It amazes me how some fans become so infatuated with acquiring "big name" players and think this philosophy actually works for any successful teams. Everyone thought the Eagles were going to kill the league after they signed Namdi. How'd that work out for them? How's that Mario Williams deal working out for Buffalo? Seriously, some of you need to stop getting star-struck.

    We have the best outside-CB situation in the whole damn league. How soon we forget how Browner played lights out against the best receiving tandem in the league and how Jeremy Lane looks like he could be a starting CB on almost any other team. And some of you want to drop the equivalent of at least a 1st round pick and a huge chunk of salary cap in 2014 for an upgrade that's marginal at best? Can't stand this type of short sighted thinking.
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  • Atradees wrote:1. We don't buy top free agents.

    2. The article was pretty weak.

    3. Namdi Ashmunga.


    The Eagles dropped the ball on two key CB pick ups.

    They took two of the leagues best man coverage corners (Asomugha and Samuel)
    and forced them to play mainly in a zone scheme.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    Atradees wrote:1. We don't buy top free agents.

    2. The article was pretty weak.

    3. Namdi Ashmunga.


    We have a winner.

    It amazes me how some fans become so infatuated with acquiring "big name" players and think this philosophy actually works for any successful teams. Everyone thought the Eagles were going to kill the league after they signed Namdi. How'd that work out for them? How's that Mario Williams deal working out for Buffalo? Seriously, some of you need to stop getting star-struck.

    We have the best outside-CB situation in the whole damn league. How soon we forget how Browner played lights out against the best receiving tandem in the league and how Jeremy Lane looks like he could be a starting CB on almost any other team. And some of you want to drop the equivalent of at least a 1st round pick and a huge chunk of salary cap in 2014 for an upgrade that's marginal at best? Can't stand this type of short sighted thinking.


    Yeah cause the Eagles struggles came from signing Nnamdi after being a lock down corner in Oakland for 3 years. Same with Buffalo fixing their defensive problems by signing a guy to a huge contract who played to that level his whole career beforehand, their defensive problems had nothing to do with horrible linebacker and secondary play right. He actually got great pressure all season but only sacks matter apparently. I guess I am star struck too then.

    The salary for 2013 and 2014 wouldn't be huge when you account for Browner wanting a bigger contract as well. He's getting paid peanuts, which is great, but he made the pro bowl last year and is going to want to make better money. I'm all for making our guys the main priority for resigning, but getting Revis for two years while paying him decent pay is very possible. It all depends on sending Idzik trades for players he knows and restructuring guarenteed money by frontloading.

    Also what about Jeremy Lane's tape makes him a starting CB for every other team? You do realize he got pulled for Maxwell after being unable to stick with press coverage right? We have solid secondary play, but in the Falcons game we consistently had letdowns by our secondary at terrible times. Keep generically adding fans to short sighted opinions for wanting a top tier CB paired with our already top tier CB. If only we were able to get him here for less than the huge contract he demands for two years...wait....we can.
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  • mistaowen wrote:Also what about Jeremy Lane's tape makes him a starting CB for every other team? You do realize he got pulled for Maxwell after being unable to stick with press coverage right?


    Uh no. Maxwell was backing up Trufant at nickel to end the season. Lane played the outside behind Browner and Sherman. When exactly was Lane "pulled" for Maxwell due to poor play?
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  • Atradees wrote:1. We don't buy top free agents.


    Zach Miller (due $11m in 2013... more than Darrelle Revis)

    Sidney Rice (on virtually $10m per year).
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  • Of course Seattle is interested. Rob Staton already mentioned this but anytime an all pro talent is available which isn't often, every team is interested. It's just a matter of how much you have to give up to get that talent. To say he wouldn't help Seattle because its already a position of strength is ridicilous as well. He would make Seattle better assuming he's healthy and allow Seattle to be more creative up front as well as moving their current pieces around in the secondary. But I do agree that we don't want to give up too much for him. I think this front office has done an amazing job and I trust that if we do or don't get him its probably a well thought out position and they made the right call.
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  • Hawks would fare better investing money elsewhere.
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  • I agree to an extent but who's to say they still can't invest money elsewhere? It seems like people on the board are in the either/or camp. Teams can get pretty creative with contracts so its not impossible to land Revis and still upgrade the d-line and other areas through free agency and the draft. I'm not saying its easy or even probable but its possible. So I guess I agree that we should probably pass on Revis if they do get them I would be lying if I said I woulnd't be excited.
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  • I wouldn't put a whole ton of stock in these reports. I'd contend this is just Schneider doing his due diligence -- he's made no bones about the fact that they will always be out there and in on everything. And furthermore, I'd also go on the record as saying that Revis's addition could potentially be disastrous for Seattle.

    There are some definite alternatives to Revis in the FA Market (page down to the Corner section) ...

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  • yeah and im "highly interested" in acquiring season tickets... doesnt make either affordable
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  • This has had a long run on the main forum, I think its time for it too to go to the NFL Forum as its pure speculation from not completely trusted sources.
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  • I just don't see any glaring urgency for the Seahawks in this move.

    Yes, Revis would be a considerable upgrade over Browner. But you know who else would be a considerable upgrade over Browner and worth the higher contract? Browner paired with a pass rush. Seattle's CB tandem has already reached the point where they can shut down elite receivers, did so much of the year and achieved the #1 scoring defense. It also failed to stifle elite QB's nearly enough to survive against them in the playoffs. We all saw the Falcons loss coming, and it wasn't because of Browner. Give a QB enough time, and no secondary will be effective.

    Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like, but Revis is going to be expensive and the primary problem on the defense not solved. Throw in PC/JS's talent at scouting late-round defensive backs, and the clear implication for me is that Revis is not where this FO should be throwing its money, no matter how clever they can be at it.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like


    In fairness I only made that point to show it was affordable and what the benefit of such a deal would be, not as a caveat for why they should make a trade.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
    "We usually try not to move Pro Bowl players to different positions," - John Schneider

    :13: this isn't madden.


    JS is a straight shooter, but he was being coy there and the word "usually" is his way of avoiding future "bullshitter" accusations. JS himself admitted that Mark Barron was a strong consideration at #12. If they draft Barron, they are moving Kam. At the very least, they'd be moving him to the big nickle spot but I'm sure LB would be a strong consideration (OLB gets a lot more more playing time than Nickle DB, and they'd want Kam on the field as much as possible).
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

    The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

    Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


    Convincing Revis that he's worth 4/40 is going to be very challenging if you want to sign him before he hits open free agency. Revis is overshooting, but he has incredible leverage if he's traded. He can't be franchised. He'd be one of the biggest free agents on the open market ever. If you spend a 1st round pick to bring Revis in you do not want to see Revis entering free agency the next year. It would be a disaster to trade major draft capital for just 1 (ACL impacted) Revis season. I think Revis has about as much a chance of signing a 4/40 extension before FA as the House Republicans would of voting for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

    Or to put it another way, I think Revis' extravagant demands telegraph his intentions to hit UFA. He's basically setting the bar extremely high and then saying "that's what it's going to take to keep me from free agency."

    The more I think about this situation, the more Revis looks like a rental. How much do you pay for one season of Revis (coming off an ACL)? I think a 3rd rounder would be as high as I'd go. Obviously, the Jets will get way more than that, but it will probably be a mistake for the buyer when Revis insists on hitting FA in 2014.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like


    In fairness I only made that point to show it was affordable and what the benefit of such a deal would be, not as a caveat for why they should make a trade.


    Fair enough. But is it really affordable in light of the many future contracts coming up? We've got a ton of defensive talent to re-up.
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  • I think it's affordable if you want to do it because you want Revis and buy into the argument that lends itself to making the deal. Personally I'd rather sign Randy Starks and be aggressive in the draft.
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  • Do it only if it obviously makes sense... for the right value, you do this. But there is no reason to go over board for Revis
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  • Ok here's the initial thought on what it would take to get him based on a artical from PFT that has a inside source so to speak.

    They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’
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  • If Revis finds out he's not quite as fast as he once was due to the injury, you might see him specifically look for a team to sign him to a big contact this year, since that would be the smart move considering the risk of potentially falling big-time if he thinks he might not be the same CB, as he'd have to showcase his skills this coming season to get the gigantic contract in FA.
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  • The Seahawks are 'highly interested' by default whether you're in the CFL, in college, an RB with character issues, or one of the best CBs in the league. How truly interested can we be? We have no idea, and that's the point of the way we operate.
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  • I don't see anything wrong with a 1 year rental....
    so long as it only costs Flynn and a 3rd rounder or so.

    anything more and im not interested.
    in fact, i would rather not negotiate a contract. let him determine his own value while we go on a superbowl run. i he plays like a 15 million$ player we will win the superbowl and all is worth it (even if he walks and all we're left with is a 3rd round compensatory pick and a championship.
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  • "They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

    This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

    This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.
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  • chris98251 wrote:"They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

    This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

    This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.


    agreed. whatever gm does this is a loser. Two 1sts....bwahaahahahaa
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  • No thank you. Too much risk with his recent injury history and new found diva attitude. Shortly after holding out and getting his new contract, he said he would consider holding out again. Then he has hamstring problems because he held out and missed camp. Now there are rumors he wants 16 million a year? Not worth the risk and that us too much money for one player who is not a QB.

    Revis is NOT a team player, I want him nowhere near my Seahawks.
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  • chris98251 wrote:"They’re going to ask for two [first-round picks],’’ the source said, which coincidentally is the same package they got for receiver Keyshawn Johnson 13 years ago. “It’s going to take probably a first and a third [round pick] and salary . . . picking up the money end of it is a big consideration as well. Maybe a throw-in seventh-round pick depending on how well he does.’’

    This is what they are rumored to be asking for a 1 year rental.

    This is called stupid trades 101 for any GM that does it.



    Actually, a 1st and a 2.

    I can see a 1st and Flynn. Wouldn't be stupid trade either if it means Superbowl.
    With Sherman and Revis, you have eliminated opposing air attack, leaves you free to drop more around the LOS and your variables of what you can do would be awesome. All your passing would be funneled down the middle in ET territory.. end game.

    Any GM that doesn't give it a looksie is called stupid.
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  • It would be a dumb move for the jets.

    I see so many suggestions that packaging flynn with a pick will somehow get you revis or fitz. Those are two of the best players in the league and somehow we are going to get them for matt flynn? You want revis or fitz, you're going to need to package an Earl Thomas.
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  • We are Super bowl contenders now, there is no gaurentees you make it no matter how you stack your team up. Our biggest issue was internal pass rush. Trade away the top end of your draft for your back up QB your top two picks for a big mouth injured not cleared to play yet CB that is marginally better then what you already have.

    This organazation is building to make several runs at a Super Bowl not be one and done.
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  • Basis4day wrote:It would be a dumb move for the jets.

    I see so many suggestions that packaging flynn with a pick will somehow get you revis or fitz. Those are two of the best players in the league and somehow we are going to get them for matt flynn? You want revis or fitz, you're going to need to package an Earl Thomas.


    I think this (and not Revis's contratct) summarizes the whole situation.
    If you are correct, which you very likely may be, than this whole Revis thing is not even worth discussing.

    However, if for whatever reason the Jets are "highly interested" in Matt Flynn (which though you doubt IS possible) than Revis is worth talking about. That still doesn't mean this is the right move, but if a superbowl is goal A, B and C than we should at least conversate with the Jets to see what kind of a deal it would take to get Revis.

    I wouldn't even trade a first rounder, but if perhaps a 3rd, Flynn, and a player with potential (such as Jeremy Lane) could get the job done than I don't see how you don't make this move.

    I would not make that deal if I were the Jets, but would not give much more than that if I were the Hawks.
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  • chris98251 wrote:We are Super bowl contenders now, there is no gaurentees you make it no matter how you stack your team up. Our biggest issue was internal pass rush. Trade away the top end of your draft for your back up QB your top two picks for a big mouth injured not cleared to play yet CB that is marginally better then what you already have.

    This organazation is building to make several runs at a Super Bowl not be one and done.


    Good point, but your making Revis sound like chopped liver.
    That's way off base, but your point is still solid.
    I would not send any first round picks for Revis and that likely takes us out of the equation. If it does not, however, this deal is still worth considering. No doubt.
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  • Until he returns to the form before injury he isn't better then anyone we have. Thats the biggest question. I don't think you take a flier on a guy that may be two years away from being back up to speed at his cost and at the disruption of chemistry.
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  • Peyton manning.

    Not exactly apples and apples, but not apples and cucumbers either.
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  • There is a long history of players with knee injuries not being back to from until the second year, they are asking to trade him as is now before they have to pay his roster bonus. Manning took 1 1/2 years plus to come back, Peterson was an enigma and did something that was not projected. A player that relies completly on his burst, speed, change of direction and stress on ligements to do all those things is a gamble that isn't necessary for this team.

    He could be 100 percent, but do you discard a full house hoping to draw a straight flush?
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  • chris98251 wrote:There is a long history of players with knee injuries not being back to from until the second year, they are asking to trade him as is now before they have to pay his roster bonus. Manning took 1 1/2 years plus to come back, Peterson was an enigma and did something that was not projected. A player that relies completly on his burst, speed, change of direction and stress on ligements to do all those things is a gamble that isn't necessary for this team.

    He could be 100 percent, but do you discard a full house hoping to draw a straight flush?


    No, but if you have 5 aces and a pair of 2's you could trade an ace and you 2's for a couple of kings....
    ok....i think it just got weird....lol
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