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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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I don't really see the sense in giving up significant draft picks for Revis on a one-year rental coming off ACL surgery. In the event that he does play up to his reputation next season, he's going to demand a ridiculous contract that would compromise Seattle's young depth going forward. The edges are not where the Seahawks are weak. I don't see why you roll the dice on a potential upgrade. What happened to all those people who wanted to build for the future and not move all-in on one season?

Plus, this defense has built its identity around a big secondary. Yeah, Revis is an incredible individual talent, but there are psychological and on-field benefits of having size at DB that the Seahawks definitely capitalize on.

Edit: And you're nuts if you think the Jets would let go of Revis for Flynn straight up. Absolutely nuts. I don't care if you think they can rationalize it. They would be absolutely torched by their fanbase and the national media for making that deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.


If his play warrants 15 million a year in free agency next year, what does that say about our Superbowl odds?
If he bolts on a 15 million dollar contract after next year, the compensatory pick we would get would likely justify the Flynn trade anyway.


I don't think you are getting it. No team is trading for Revis unless they work out a long term deal as part of the trade. Sure, you could trade for him just to have him for 2013 for 6 mil, and then just let him hit free agency, but that would be nuts. He will want 15 million plus for 2013, not 6 million. At least that much.

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Revis is the T.O./Chad Ochocinco of Dbacks. We don't need that kind of primadona on this team. Not worth the headaches.



Since when is Revis a primadonna? What are you basing this off of?

We may already have the biggest in the league in Sherman.


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Shermans a primadonna? he can act like a jackass at times.. but not a primadonna.. no way you can put sherman in the same catagory as TO or Ocho

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Shermans a primadonna? he can act like a jackass at times.. but not a primadonna.. no way you can put sherman in the same catagory as TO or Ocho



You can if you're putting Revis there.


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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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If you have Revis and SHerman back there..

Perhaps that alleviates some need for pass rush and we can instead find DL's that can really stop the run forcing them to pass.
Might be cheaper to find run stoppers at the DL level.

This will also help contain any mobile qb's, from scrambling.
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Browner and Flynn for Revis and Tebow


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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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Scottemojo wrote:
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I am talking about next year. Revis wants top 5 money. Not top 5 cornerback, top 5 in the league. Like Drew Brees money. He has a no holdout clause in his last deal, but there is also a no franchise player clause in that deal. Trade for him, you better have a long term deal worked out already, because if you don't, you just signed him for one year only.

I think there is zero chance these guys want to give Revis 15 mil or more per year to play cornerback. That is about what he is going to demand.


If his play warrants 15 million a year in free agency next year, what does that say about our Superbowl odds?
If he bolts on a 15 million dollar contract after next year, the compensatory pick we would get would likely justify the Flynn trade anyway.


I don't think you are getting it. No team is trading for Revis unless they work out a long term deal as part of the trade. Sure, you could trade for him just to have him for 2013 for 6 mil, and then just let him hit free agency, but that would be nuts. He will want 15 million plus for 2013, not 6 million. At least that much.


I DO get it....just disagree.
I would have no problem with bringing him in and potentially losing him the following year. Not that I would want to lose him, but bringing him in for a superbowl run and risking losing him the following year doesn't bother me one bit.
A superbowl is the only thing that matters to me.
If that means that Revis only plays in Seattle one year and then we get a 3rd round compensatory pick I would be happy as a clown.
What MORE than that do you expect for Flynn???

That being said, I don't see the Jets doing this, but if they would it's without question that you pull the trigger.


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Bobblehead wrote:
If you have Revis and SHerman back there..

Perhaps that alleviates some need for pass rush and we can instead find DL's that can really stop the run forcing them to pass.
Might be cheaper to find run stoppers at the DL level.

This will also help contain any mobile qb's, from scrambling.
just a thought.


Or you could bring in revis and a bunch of pass rushers and laugh at opposing teams as our defense scores more points than their offense :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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I think Flynn, Browner, and a 2nd could land us Revis.


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I think Flynn, Browner, and a 2nd could land us Revis.


I wouldn't send them a stariting qb, probowl cornerback, and a second round pick for Revis.
Most I'd send them is Flynn and a 3rd.


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I was rethinking the whole trade possibility and even though I am not really sold on the idea. However I do think it would be interesting to see Sherm, Revis and Browner on the same field.

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Jets won't get a lot for a lame(Final season) CB even if he is the best, He has some red flags associated with him and I doubt many teams are gong to want to resign him.
THey well get what they can simular to what the Hawks are in the Flynn Situation.

Jets have to much need and they need players..
Perhaps we can offer John Snieders talent observation in return for Revis, hell we will throw in Flynn.

I don't want to lose Browner, because I think Revis is just a 1 year man here at most.


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joeshaney wrote:
I want to win 20 straight superbowls.


Well....Adding Revis certainly wouldn't decrease our chances. Next year or the following years.


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 Post subject: Re: Revis Available? Flynn bait?
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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


Less than $7 million for Sherman and Revis combined is not sinking a huge chunk of our cap......
after subtracting 5 million from trading away Matt Flynn we'd be adding less than $1 million to our cap number....
It's nothing like you describe. Not that this trade is even likely, just saying.


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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


Less than $7 million for Sherman and Revis combined is not sinking a huge chunk of our cap......
after subtracting 5 million from trading away Matt Flynn we'd be adding less than $1 million to our cap number....
It's nothing like you describe. Not that this trade is even likely, just saying.


Your forgetting one small thing, who backs up Wilson? they don't play for free, who says Revis can even go at the start of the season, not unheard of for speed guys to need additional clean up, also with most ACL tears they are not back to form until the second year back from injury.

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My mouth is watering.


I was going 2 write that haha

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Why? you don't pay a CB 6 million to play nickel, and all you were complaining about wasting money on a Back up QB. That would actually save your season possibly.


Do you know how much pass rush we can address this offseason if we don't need to draft a CB at all and maybe not a WLB!!!

if we get Revis...

1. DE

2. TE

3. DT

4. WR

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A rookie CB even in the first round would not cost us even 10 percent of his salary, and who's saying we need to draft one at all with Thurmond, Lane and Maxwell already on the roster? I'll say it now we have what 10 picks I thought I read, 5 don't make this roster.

Also nobody is taking into consideration that a Vet back up for Wilson is going to be in the 1.2 to 2 million dollar range if he's worth a damn.

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Bobblehead wrote:
for that reason.. I would put Revis on the outside with Sherman..
Switch Browner to SS Bench Kam(who I love dearly, but his coverage is suspect I think)

for nickle.. Revis to slot, Browner to outside, Kam to Weakside LB, Guy to SS


Thank you!!!

How bout Te'o as the WLB on regular downs for a value pick

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joeshaney wrote:
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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


Less than $7 million for Sherman and Revis combined is not sinking a huge chunk of our cap......
after subtracting 5 million from trading away Matt Flynn we'd be adding less than $1 million to our cap number....
It's nothing like you describe. Not that this trade is even likely, just saying.


That's all well and good if you look at Revis as a one-year rental. Word is that Revis is seeking a top five salary after his deal is up. Sherman will get his payday a year after that. And you can bet he's not taking a discount if Revis scores a huge contract on the same team. Gotta look at this with an eye toward the future.


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If we got him for flynn Id trade him to the broncos for a first round pick.

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chris98251 wrote:
joeshaney wrote:
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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


Less than $7 million for Sherman and Revis combined is not sinking a huge chunk of our cap......
after subtracting 5 million from trading away Matt Flynn we'd be adding less than $1 million to our cap number....
It's nothing like you describe. Not that this trade is even likely, just saying.


Your forgetting one small thing, who backs up Wilson? they don't play for free, who says Revis can even go at the start of the season, not unheard of for speed guys to need additional clean up, also with most ACL tears they are not back to form until the second year back from injury.


No...I'm not forgetting that. I just didn't mention it. Only intended to rebuttal the salary cap implications.
Certainly Seattle would need to use there abundance of salary cap space and/or 10 draft picks to aquire an adequate backup qb.

And I don't know if he is medically legit Ala APeterson. He'll have much more time to heal than AP did but AP is also a physical phenomenon.
Once again, I was simply addressing the salary cap.


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DavidSeven wrote:
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Lol Sherm just tweeted a picture showing his stats against Revis's and wrote "Woman lie, men lie, numbers don't lie".

You can't put these guys in the same locker room and you can't sink a huge chunk of your cap on two outside corners. We got something better and younger than Revis already, and hopefully Sherm will be in Seattle for many years to come.


Less than $7 million for Sherman and Revis combined is not sinking a huge chunk of our cap......
after subtracting 5 million from trading away Matt Flynn we'd be adding less than $1 million to our cap number....
It's nothing like you describe. Not that this trade is even likely, just saying.


That's all well and good if you look at Revis as a one-year rental. Word is that Revis is seeking a top five salary after his deal is up. Sherman will get his payday a year after that. And you can bet he's not taking a discount if Revis scores a huge contract on the same team. Gotta look at this with an eye toward the future.


I absolutely would look at him as a 1 year rental as I've stated multiple times on this thread. If Revis wants to get a massive payday than I'd figure his performance will back that up in which case Seattle is adding an allpro quality player in exchange for a guy who did zero for us last year. Or If he doesn't perform that well than we aren't in such a dilemma next year anyways. Regardless I do prefer Sherman over revis and that is a decision that doesn't need to be made until that time. So whatevs.


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Apparently Seattle is "highly interested"

"Sources say one of the teams highly interested is the New England Patriots, but not even the Jets, who have made some screwy decisions over the years, would trade Revis to the division-rival Patriots and, in the process, hand them a Super Bowl.

Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks."


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike- ... evis-trade


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His availability became news a little over 24 hours ago, and they already have a list of five "highly interested" teams, one of which is preparing for a Super Bowl as we speak? Please.


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