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Lewis was one of the greatest, but I for one won't miss his holier than thou, sanctimonious BS. His "greatness" will steal headlines for the rest of the season. We will hear tales of what a wonderful, god fearing man he is. Sharpton will no doubt compare him to MLK. Nobody will dare mention the time he and his thug buddies (likely) murdered two kids. That Ray Lewis should also be remembered. The following is a partial account of what took place (for those too young to remember or others that may not recall):

"Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his companions and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were questioned by Atlanta police, and eleven days later the three men were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges. The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard alleged that the bloodstained suit was dumped in a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant.[36]
Lewis' attorneys, Don Samuel and Ed Garland, of the Atlanta law firm Garland, Samuel & Loeb, negotiated a plea agreement with Howard, the Fulton County District Attorney, where the murder charges against Lewis were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and his guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[12] Lewis admitted that he gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings. Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender;[37] and he was fined $250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.[38] Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis could not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
Oakley and Sweeting were acquitted of the charges in June 2000.[39] No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
The following year, Lewis was named Super Bowl XXXV MVP. However, the signature phrase "I'm going to Disney World!" was given instead to quarterback Trent Dilfer.
On April 29, 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, born months after the death of her father Richard, preempting a scheduled civil proceeding. Lewis also reached an undisclosed settlement with Baker's family".


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 Post subject: Re: OT: Good riddance Killer Ray (Lewis set to retire).
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Thanks for reminding everyone of this. The guy is a major scuzzbag IMHO, and if you or I had committed his crime, we'd still be behind bars. Ray Carruth was a good player too, I put them both in the same camp.


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Really? You sound like Steelers fans.


Seahawks fan for over 30 years. Ray Lewis is a dirtbag. I'm glad the people of Baltimore have such high morals that they can rally behind a person like him, I really am. Of course, considering the murder rate in Baltimore, it's not shocking......


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This thread is loaded with class and forgiveness.

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This thread is loaded with class and forgiveness.


Crawl back under you're favorite rock.


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I've only been following the NFL for 8 years. This is actually the first time I've heard about that. Damn. Makes me lose the respect I had for him.


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Yeah I know all the circumstances of this and I don't think Lewis is a scumbag

The OP wants to paint him as some ravaging lunatic and hey that's your prerogative but honestly I'm not going to throw stones when I'm not perfect myself

Gonna miss his passion for the game

No one knows what happened that night and if you think he's guilty so be it, I don't and I honestly don't care


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You can read into to the legal affidavit all you want you were not there and can only assume up on your moral high horse that he is guilty.For me Ray Lewis is a living legend as a football player I dont see how you could hate the way he played the game.

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seedhawk wrote:
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This thread is loaded with class and forgiveness.


Crawl back under you're(sic) favorite rock.


You're correct, crimes of yore should never be forgiven until a jury of your peers has had their say. Wait a tic, they did?

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So forgive and forget? Why? Because Lewis plays football? What about the families of the deceased? Should they're hurt and loss also be summarily dismissed? If Ray Lewis testified against his friends, then he was involved.

Roethlisberger was never convicted either, so maybe we shuold sing his praises. Is a football players fame and fortune more valuable than a "civilians" life?

There is way too much evidence against Ray and Ben, but they zre both worshiped by their fans. And who was the WR that killed a pedestrian with his car? Apparently the pedestrian was jaywalking so it's all good.

Why is there no uproar when things like this happen? Why is it no big deal to kill someone with a car while drinking but all hell breaks loose if someone is killed by a gun? And why were the headlines about the murder/suicide in KC focused on Belcher? Again, it's all about the gun, just ask Bob Costas who said "If we didn't have guns, Belcher and his Girlfriend would still be alive. Tell that to Nicole Brown, tell that to the deceased Dallas Cowboy, tell that to Jerome Brown's nephew who died in his car.

I don't think enough was done to prosecute the deaths where NFL players are involved and frankly, it is disgusting.

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So forgive and forget? Why? Because Lewis plays football? What about the families of the deceased? Should they're hurt and loss also be summarily dismissed? If Ray Lewis testified against his friends, then he was involved.

Roethlisberger was never convicted either, so maybe we shuold sing his praises. Is a football players fame and fortune more valuable than a "civilians" life?

There is way too much evidence against Ray and Ben, but they zre both worshiped by their fans. And who was the WR that killed a pedestrian with his car? Apparently the pedestrian was jaywalking so it's all good.

Why is there no uproar when things like this happen? Why is it no big deal to kill someone with a car while drinking but all hell breaks loose if someone is killed by a gun? And why were the headlines about the murder/suicide in KC focused on Belcher? Again, it's all about the gun, just ask Bob Costas who said "If we didn't have guns, Belcher and his Girlfriend would still be alive. Tell that to Nicole Brown, tell that to the deceased Dallas Cowboy, tell that to Jerome Brown's nephew who died in his car.

I don't think enough was done to prosecute the deaths where NFL players are involved and frankly, it is disgusting.


What any of us think is immaterial. We weren't there, and I for one don't know what happened. But people who were there, and a jury of his peers, had a big trial and everything and they examined the evidence and did not convict. Every thing else is conjecture and assumption of guilt or innocence.

As for the rest, why Ray Lewis has to pay for your outrage over what you think other people got away with I don't know. Your examples are such a mish mash of different circumstances I won't even begin to get into it.

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I love him personally. He's a fun dude to watch play and to be honest i dont really care if pro athletes are good people or not, they're not my role models, they're just entertainment.

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Lewis was one of the greatest, but I for one won't miss his holier than thou, sanctimonious BS. His "greatness" will steal headlines for the rest of the season. We will hear tales of what a wonderful, god fearing man he is. Sharpton will no doubt compare him to MLK. Nobody will dare mention the time he and his thug buddies (likely) murdered two kids. That Ray Lewis should also be remembered. The following is a partial account of what took place (for those too young to remember or others that may not recall):

"Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his companions and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were questioned by Atlanta police, and eleven days later the three men were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges. The white suit Lewis was wearing the night of the killings has never been found. Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard alleged that the bloodstained suit was dumped in a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant.[36]
Lewis' attorneys, Don Samuel and Ed Garland, of the Atlanta law firm Garland, Samuel & Loeb, negotiated a plea agreement with Howard, the Fulton County District Attorney, where the murder charges against Lewis were dismissed in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and his guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[12] Lewis admitted that he gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings. Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender;[37] and he was fined $250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.[38] Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis could not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
Oakley and Sweeting were acquitted of the charges in June 2000.[39] No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
The following year, Lewis was named Super Bowl XXXV MVP. However, the signature phrase "I'm going to Disney World!" was given instead to quarterback Trent Dilfer.
On April 29, 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, born months after the death of her father Richard, preempting a scheduled civil proceeding. Lewis also reached an undisclosed settlement with Baker's family".


Your "partial account of what took place" is lifted directly from Wikipedia. :34853_doh:

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Don't care what anyone else here thinks, R Lewis while being a hell of a football player, and cleaning his act up after said incident, is irrelevant. 2 men lost their lives on that SB night.


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So forgive and forget? Why? Because Lewis plays football? What about the families of the deceased? Should they're hurt and loss also be summarily dismissed? If Ray Lewis testified against his friends, then he was involved.

Roethlisberger was never convicted either, so maybe we shuold sing his praises. Is a football players fame and fortune more valuable than a "civilians" life?

There is way too much evidence against Ray and Ben, but they zre both worshiped by their fans. And who was the WR that killed a pedestrian with his car? Apparently the pedestrian was jaywalking so it's all good.

Why is there no uproar when things like this happen? Why is it no big deal to kill someone with a car while drinking but all hell breaks loose if someone is killed by a gun? And why were the headlines about the murder/suicide in KC focused on Belcher? Again, it's all about the gun, just ask Bob Costas who said "If we didn't have guns, Belcher and his Girlfriend would still be alive. Tell that to Nicole Brown, tell that to the deceased Dallas Cowboy, tell that to Jerome Brown's nephew who died in his car.

I don't think enough was done to prosecute the deaths where NFL players are involved and frankly, it is disgusting.


What any of us think is immaterial. We weren't there, and I for one don't know what happened. But people who were there, and a jury of his peers, had a big trial and everything and they examined the evidence and did not convict. Every thing else is conjecture and assumption of guilt or innocence.

As for the rest, why Ray Lewis has to pay for your outrage over what you think other people got away with I don't know. Your examples are such a mish mash of different circumstances I won't even begin to get into it.


I'm not going to get involved in an argument of what Ray Lewis should or shouldn't be remembered for, but the point is that he was NOT evaluated by a jury of his peers, there was NOT a 'big trial and everything,' and they did NOT choose not to convict him. Ray Lewis agreed to testify against his friends and plead guilty to lying to the police in order to avoid such trial. He never stood trial for murder as such, and neither was he exonerated by a jury of his peers. You could argue that the lack of conviction of his peers is by extension an exoneration, but I'm not sure that's true. The trial may or may not have proceeded differently if Ray Lewis were a defendant. Never know.


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OJ Simpson was exonerated by a jury of his peers, and we all know the stuff he's made of. And he was a helluva baller!! Ray Lewis had his high dollar attorneys cop a huge plea deal for him, so he could save his own skin, and give weak testimony against his buddies who were eventually acquitted. So Ray Lewis is the only one of the 3 that was found guilty of ANYTHING. That's culpability right there. Pretty shocking. The league should have banned him for life. Michael Vick is still basically blacklisted for dogfighting, but Ray Lewis is a hero? Gimme a break. A shady character on and off the field who just so happens to be a phenomenal athlete. He should be using that athletic prowess to break rocks and lift weights in the prison gym. There's a child who is fatherless, and part of that blame rests on Ray Lewis. I hope he has "found God" for his sake....... He's gonna need it.


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Lewis falls in the same category as leonard little for me.

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Good chance he wasn't involved in someone's murder.

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OJ Simpson was exonerated by a jury of his peers, and we all know the stuff he's made of. And he was a helluva baller!! Ray Lewis had his high dollar attorneys cop a huge plea deal for him, so he could save his own skin, and give weak testimony against his buddies who were eventually acquitted. So Ray Lewis is the only one of the 3 that was found guilty of ANYTHING. That's culpability right there. Pretty shocking. The league should have banned him for life. Michael Vick is still basically blacklisted for dogfighting, but Ray Lewis is a hero? Gimme a break. A shady character on and off the field who just so happens to be a phenomenal athlete. He should be using that athletic prowess to break rocks and lift weights in the prison gym. There's a child who is fatherless, and part of that blame rests on Ray Lewis. I hope he has "found God" for his sake....... He's gonna need it.


The thing is apparently it's easier to forgive someone who has killed a man than it is someone who killed a dog.


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:roll: So what bad things have YOU done Shaz? Since accessory to murder is such a commonplace thing.............


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It's funny how none of the media brings up what happened.

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If we paid attention to what football players do off the field, we would only like Russell Wilson.

Did you know Larry Fitzgerald is a woman beater?

Most of your favorite people have done something stupid as shit. I'll miss watching Ray play the game of football, and not caring about his personal life.


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:roll: So what bad things have YOU done Shaz? Since accessory to murder is such a commonplace thing.............


Well I was a wild one in my younger days. I have robbed, stolen, assaulted, almost killed and been an overall jackass of a human being. I have never been in jail either.

Amazing how fast the Army and war can humble you and set you straight

Judge all you want, you don't know what happened that night for Ray and only he and his buddy know.


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It's funny how none of the media brings up what happened.


Ashley Fox did a story on it yesterday:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/st ... omplicated

I remember very clearly when this all happened. Do I think he killed anyone? No, not at all. Do I think you may have seen what happened? Absolutely, he may have.

Ray isn't OJ, he's more like Cato.


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:roll: So what bad things have YOU done Shaz? Since accessory to murder is such a commonplace thing.............


Well I was a wild one in my younger days. I have robbed, stolen, assaulted, almost killed and been an overall jackass of a human being. I have never been in jail either.

Amazing how fast the Army and war can humble you and set you straight

Judge all you want, you don't know what happened that night for Ray and only he and his buddy know.


I wasn't really asking for a list lol. I'll let a fellow vet slide though. ;) I still think Ray Lewis is a garbage human being. I also see he's about to sign with ESPN. One more reason not to watch that network. :34853_doh:


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Dude I know it sucks to see this type of thing but how do you know how it effects him? Maybe it bothers him more than you think

Stuff like this is always Black and White in society when it really should be viewed in a gray area, no one knows the circumstances other than those involved

Overall the situation sucked and it's something he'll have to carry for the rest of his life


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Dude I know it sucks to see this type of thing but how do you know how it effects him? Maybe it bothers him more than you think

Stuff like this is always Black and White in society when it really should be viewed in a gray area, no one knows the circumstances other than those involved

Overall the situation sucked and it's something he'll have to carry for the rest of his life


Agreed. Our country doesn't send people to prison merely for punishment, it's also meant for rehabilitation. Ray hasn't been in any trouble and has done great things for his community ever since this event happened. As Ray himself has said, "Things happen for a reason."


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"he pleaded to a misdemeanor obstruction of justice charge in exchange for his testimony against two other defendants"

"He was there. He lied about it. Then he took a plea deal."

At minimum he saw what happened and did nothing, at worst, he was involved and the "two other defendants" were with him, and he did nothing. So sick of the "gangsters" with their "posses," it always leads to bad things when young men are trying to impress someone like Ray Lewis or Snoop Dogg. Because of that, they are accountable in some manner, but what that is, it's impossible to say.

To their credit, they have changed things and now serve society instead of dragging it down.

Pete Carroll has been serving society for years and he didn't have to get in trouble to motivate him to do so. Carroll is a man that uses his platform for the betterment of those less fortunate and should be an example for every young man that has success. Whether it be in sports, movies, music, they should follow his example.

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