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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000121034/article/andy-reid-to-tell-arizona-cardinals-hell-fix-kevin-kolb

oh great. Andy Reid says he'll "fix" Kolb. I do not want that to happen in the slightest.


Dont fret 515, the most underrated poster on seahawks.net, it took Andy 7 YEARS to BUILD a system where ANY QB could succeed there. And, in Philly he was awarded QB's in McNabb and Vick who are VERY strong-armed, so he threw long more than most WCO coaches. With Kolb, he'll have to run a more traditional WCO, which is a WASTE of Fitzgerald.


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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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If Reid is the guy, Horton probably takes a job somewhere else, the D has to start over again right?

Not to concerned with Reid, could be a bad hire. Really, the Cards should keep Horton, draft a left tackle.

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For a team that has a huge issue with protecting the QB to hire a coach that has a very long history of his QB's getting injured almost every season doesn't make much sense to me. Reid has a good history of working with QB's which is fine, but the Eagles haven't had a good offensive line in years. If I was a Cardinals fan, I'd be very lukewarm on the hire until I found out who he was bringing in as the offensive line coach. I still think that bringing in Chip Kelly to contend with the former Pac 10 dominant coaches would make more sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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Cardinals should have kept their coaches and went after some Oline, much easier, and painfully obvious that its their problem. Have they EVER had a good oline in their entire history?

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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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I really liked Holmgren's / Heckert's drafts the last 3 years in Cleveland (Weeden exempted). They drafted a lot of players I felt were sleepers and they transformed that defense into a group that was young and talented. They made some good moves on offense too. Too bad the QB position royally screwed it all up for them. Which is pretty ironic given Holmgren's track record.

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Like Pehawk said, if this was 2006, I'd be worried. Reid is no longer an effective head coach.

I'm actually really sad for that franchise and their fans. The squad of players Reid had at his disposal the last 2 seasons should have easily been good enough to win at least one superbowl. He missed the playoffs both times with them. He's just not that good. In my opinion, he would have been better of taking an OC position somewhere.


What about the 12 seasons he had before those last two? Reid has had a terrific career as a coach, he's just down on his luck right now. Same thing was true with Jeff Fisher. Otherwise, coaches like that would never be available.

If Reid were available three years sooner we all would have been thrilled to get him when Seattle was replacing Mora/Ruskell. Obviously we are extremely well off right now with PCJS, just saying our mentality at the time- we would have been stoked for a hire like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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My guess is that Andy Reid is still a hell of a coach. I think the message gets a little bit stale after a decade in one place, which i'm guessing was the problem in Philly. I would bet that he'll do a great job wherever his next destination is.

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kearly wrote:
I really liked Holmgren's / Heckert's drafts the last 3 years in Cleveland (Weeden exempted). They drafted a lot of players I felt were sleepers and they transformed that defense into a group that was young and talented. They made some good moves on offense too. Too bad the QB position royally screwed it all up for them. Which is pretty ironic given Holmgren's track record.

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Like Pehawk said, if this was 2006, I'd be worried. Reid is no longer an effective head coach.

I'm actually really sad for that franchise and their fans. The squad of players Reid had at his disposal the last 2 seasons should have easily been good enough to win at least one superbowl. He missed the playoffs both times with them. He's just not that good. In my opinion, he would have been better of taking an OC position somewhere.


What about the 12 seasons he had before those last two? Reid has had a terrific career as a coach, he's just down on his luck right now. Same thing was true with Jeff Fisher. Otherwise, coaches like that would never be available.


I get that kip, honestly I do, and in his prime he was a great coach, but of late he just appears to be lost. I think the game has changed and he has not, and as such will struggle until he learns to adapt.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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Maybe, but it's a great gamble to take, IMO.


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Maybe, but it's a great gamble to take, IMO.


Is it when you're a team like Arizona? They have no QB. Andy Reid isn't going to miraculously make Kolb a quality NFL QB. They have a good D, but id their DC leaves, Reid will have to bring in a top-notch DC that can work with the talent they have, and that might not be so easy. Their O-line is shambolic, they have Fitz and a bunch of semi-decent WRs.....I just don't know. Seems like they're going to want a major rebuild on that team, and I don't know that Reid's the guy you want doing it, especially in the NFCW with dynamic young teams like the Rams and Seahawks, and hell, even the 9ers.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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One problem is Old Andy is a good coach and if he get lucky and stumbles on a good QB. They will be very good. Defense is good, great reciever and good 2nd in Floyd they could be scary.


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Or maybe he's going to the Chiefs instead. If he goes to Kansas City, he's a fool.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88090 ... fs-sources


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Or maybe he's going to the Chiefs instead. If he goes to Kansas City, he's a fool.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88090 ... fs-sources


Why's that?

If KC will give him personnel control, he gets a relatively weak division in a relatively weak conference (which should make turning a team around easier), the #1 overall draft pick, and a better owner situation.

Certainly a better scenario than going to Arizona where he'll be in a dogfight with 3 strong-to-dominant teams for the foreseeable future while he's trying to rebuild.

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HawkGA wrote:
Or maybe he's going to the Chiefs instead. If he goes to Kansas City, he's a fool.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88090 ... fs-sources


Why's that?

If KC will give him personnel control, he gets a relatively weak division in a relatively weak conference (which should make turning a team around easier), the #1 overall draft pick, and a better owner situation.

Certainly a better scenario than going to Arizona where he'll be in a dogfight with 3 strong-to-dominant teams for the foreseeable future while he's trying to rebuild.


That's a fair point about the divisions. I just think Arizona is closer to being a good team than KC. But being a good team and being competitive in your division are two different things.

Still, I've been to Phoenix and I've driven through KC. I'd take Phoenix in a heartbeat!


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Of course Reid looks like the kind of guy who might appreciate some good BBQ so maybe KC wouldn't be such a bad choice.


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HawkGA wrote:
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Or maybe he's going to the Chiefs instead. If he goes to Kansas City, he's a fool.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88090 ... fs-sources


Why's that?

If KC will give him personnel control, he gets a relatively weak division in a relatively weak conference (which should make turning a team around easier), the #1 overall draft pick, and a better owner situation.

Certainly a better scenario than going to Arizona where he'll be in a dogfight with 3 strong-to-dominant teams for the foreseeable future while he's trying to rebuild.


That's a fair point about the divisions. I just think Arizona is closer to being a good team than KC. But being a good team and being competitive in your division are two different things.

Still, I've been to Phoenix and I've driven through KC. I'd take Phoenix in a heartbeat!


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Of course Reid looks like the kind of guy who might appreciate some good BBQ so maybe KC wouldn't be such a bad choice.


On the opposite side of the city thing, Kansas City would appreciate Reid far more than Arizona would if he started winning for them.

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On the opposite side of the city thing, Kansas City would appreciate Reid far more than Arizona would if he started winning for them.


Along those same lines, Phoenix may be a little easier to handle if he doesn't turn things around. He might need that after coming out of Philly.


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Another article - this one from Doub - on how that 95% chance has moved from Arizona to Kansas City:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/andy-reid-95-percent-chance-seems-moved-arizona-165828365--nfl.html

Can't say I wouldn't like that better.

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On the opposite side of the city thing, Kansas City would appreciate Reid far more than Arizona would if he started winning for them.


Along those same lines, Phoenix may be a little easier to handle if he doesn't turn things around. He might need that after coming out of Philly.


Meh, both cities are conditioned to losing at this point. :thirishdrinkers:

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A good team, amazing running game, something that isn't Andy's strength. Maybe Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, 1st overall pick and I bet he goes with Geno Smith because of his size and athleticism. Excellent choice for Andy. Kansas City actually has a history of being a fairly good team and was one of Seattle's bugaboos when still in the AFC West.

KC is a great city with a lot of history, good weather and other sports franchises that have had success in the past. Much better choice than San Diego who has an "elderly" QB, average defense and holes at WR and RB. I'll lay odds that Andy is above .500 his first year there. Most likely 9-7 or 10-6.

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"Andy Reid has told the Kansas City Chiefs that he's a package deal with former Cleveland Browns general manager Tom Heckert, NFL.com's Ian Rapoport"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000121552/article/andy-reid-tells-chiefs-he-and-tom-heckert-a-package-deal

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Now there's a match made in heaven. Didn't Heckert make the decision to draft Brandon Weeden? If so, uh, yeah..... Please come to Arizona. PLEASE!

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 Post subject: Re: Andy Reid to Arizona (not confirmed)
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Arrowhead is a very good home field advantage too

do the chiefs switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 for andy reid? he isn't a defensive minded coach but he has had someone (jonhson/mcdermott/castillo) run that defensive alignment for him for a long time.

Dwayne bowe is going to floorish, baldwin too. Jamaal Charles should help andy remember to run the ball a bit too :)

* it would be kind of funny if andy goes to kc and kicks s.d's ass x2 a year after they told him they wanted to go in another direction once it was known he was interested in coaching down there near his hometown of L.A.


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